If your 100 year old blue printed v twin, air cooled tractor engine isn't making some ticking, I'd be concerned. If cam noise bother's you, don't buy a Mikuni, that slide rattle will drive you nuts.
Just a tip for others thinking about installing a Woods TW222 cam in an otherwise stock 103. I had watched another earlier video where this cam was reported to be a “drop in” cam. For the most part, that is correct, but if you use your stock original push rods after you have “dropped it in,” you will NOT be happy with the resultant valve train noise. It is loud, and it makes you feel as if there is something substantially wrong with your install. You will wonder if you forgot to torque the rocker arm assembly, or messed up the cam bearing install. It is seriously that bad. The reason for the noise is a smaller base circle on the cams. The fix is to use adjustable push rods and make the proper adjustment. It gets rid of most of the noise. Not all of it, but at least you will feel a little better about whether the engine is about to fail on you. Just letting you know.
@@timmattle4730 As long as the push rods have been adjusted properly and your lifters have not failed-hopefully you replaced them, and you have good oil pressure, you should be ok. When I first “dropped them in” they were so noisy I was worried about the install. I did it myself. Finally decided to upgrade the cam plate, lifters, oil pump, and installed adjustable push rods and was much happier after that. I probably have about 8 thousand miles on them now. You might want to re-check the push rods for proper lash.
@@timmattle4730 Well after my new push rods the noise was a lot less. Had stock first, because of the “drop in” claim. Could not stand that noise so I reached out to Woods. They were the ones that said the old push rods wouldn’t work.
@@timmattle4730 Well I know you said you used an experienced tuner to do your work, but if it was me, I would check the push rod adjustment. If you are confident the lifters are all working correctly, the push rods would be the only other cause. Unless there is wear somewhere else. But that you are only experiencing it now, after the install, leads me away from that being the cause. How many miles on the bike? You would have needed to upgrade the air intake for those cams too. Did you do that?
@@timmattle4730 Ok. As long as the oil changes were kept up, wear shouldn’t be an issue. Which model? I ask because you said you don’t have an oil pressure gauge. Mine is in an FLHTCU Ultra Classic touring bike. It has an oil gauge.
I have watched many of your videos and decided on a s&s 583c cam with feuling cam plate, pump and a crank gear to take some of the play out of the chain love the sound when it starts up has that race car sound, haven't gotten a tune yet but don't ride much until
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Dude! Your videos are great and your consideration are the best! Know that alot of us love your videos when times get tough and the hatters jump in! Thank you!
I appreciate that! I've seen some critical comments which I don't mind at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that. But my gosh you guys jump in and back me up like no other!
Engine life versus cam swap. A cam that doesn't require new springs is completely rider dependent. Run to it redline every time you ride it and it will be early failure. For the rest of us it's an afterthought. As for the M8, not swapping stock tappets for quality is a serious gamble. As a long time fan of Bob Wood I just tried the 30/30 cam by George Bryce in a 2020 Road Glide and I have been converted.
@@GixxerFoo fantastic content and info my man! Appreciate all that you do for the community…have you any experience with the TTS CAMS? R&B race exhaust recommends them so I was curious love there Exhausts as well. Please let me know your thoughts and enjoy your Weekend. Mark G 9:53
George Bryce knows a thing or two about hotrod Harleys and more specifically cams! He has four cams for the M8 from the 30-30 to all out..... The next in line above the 30-30 is the F35A..... He has a couple of great Twinkie cams also and all his cams have that nostalgic Harley sound which is a huge plus!!!
Did a stage 4/114 on my 107 and went with a red shift 468. Definitely happy with it and it pulled nice on the dyno. It’s not a big bore kit so I think I’m pretty safe with that cam. Love your videos, always some great information.
ALL "Harley-Davidson's have their ISSUES!" Performance or otherwise! Ever heard of the "Harley Death Wobble?" Ever wonder why it's called the "Harley" Death Wobble, and NOT the "Honda" or "Yamaha" or "motorcycle" Death Wobble? Ever wonder why it is primarily only "Harley-Davidson's" that have an ISSUE with a "Death Wobble?" Ever wonder why Indian's, Honda's, Yamaha's, Kawasaki's, Suzuki's, BMW's, etc. do NOT have an ISSUE with a "Death Wobble?" Make fun of my "rice burner" all you want, but I'd rather RIDE my motorcycle than constantly have to WORK on my motorcycle!
Every post you make just helps me with my decisions on my 2008 96 twin cam, I have had a few people tell me it's time for a cam , but will have to wait and see. Just got a tuner and high flow air filter to go with my slip ons . Thanks again for all you do .
Gixxerfoo you the reason I went with woods tw-6 cam on my 05 road king and upgraded screaming eagle performance cam chest and oil pump! My engine temps have never been cooler and the chop sound form the cams is insane and loud ! Next year is a upgrade you recommend,is the 98 big bore kit from fuel moto for the 88 ,I hope I could hit the 100hp mark on the Dyno !
Really depends what kind of riding but being on an ultra l would guess your looking for the low to mid range and not so much wide open power. If low to mid is what you're after the 570 would be a good cam for your bike.
Thanks for all of your great videos. I have a 2005 Fatboy that I bought used, stock. Your videos have really been clear and helpful to a non-mechanical guy like me, not only to learn about what I had bought back in 2015 but also the mods I have been making over time. In 2019, I did the Stage 2 cams, plate and pump, spring cam chain tensioners swap-out, tappets, etc. I am now in the process of doing Stages 3 & 4, pumping it up to 95ci, 10.5-1 pistons, and moderate head porting. I have watched all of your videos about these mods as part of my research and discussions with the mechanics. Big 👍.
Thank you for the support! I really appreciate it! Your building a hell of a bike and doing everything right on there! That bike is gonna run damn good and be reliable, best part is something special compared to all the new bikes.
My 2000 Softail Deuce has stock compression and displacement. Previous owner installed Woods TW-8 cam. I can attest to the valve train noise. Definitely needs some more compression to really shine.
Great video man. So I have 525 cams in this twin cam 95" road king. Is the wood tw6 cams stronger torque cams than the 525 which hit in the midrange and ramp up....I want the most torque I can get.
It's really hard to beat that 525 you got, they are so close together comparing the two. If you didn't already have a good cam in there it would really be a toss up.
I run woods 222 in my 103. I have noticed that if I use amsoil the noise or ticking is louder than if I used Harley oil. After replacing the cams I broke it in using Harley oil nice and good sound and after 500 mi changed it out to amsoil there is alot of difference.
Look into 570-2 cyclorama cams. I got 98.7 h.p. and 116 ftlbs of tourque. Installed and tuned by shaeffers h.d. in owigsburg pa. Nice and quiet. Still getting 43 to 44 mpg when cruising. Drag specialties headpipe with stock covers. Vance and hines pipes. K and n air filter with stock cover. 31 degrees of timing
Another trade off is low rpm, low load drivability; i.e. 15mph steady speed in 1st gear. And yes, that is a normal riding condition; especially if you drive on a military installation.
My 2012 RK is getting new cams camchest, oil pump, lifters, pushrods, all Screamin' Eagle, the shop had the parts. At 50,030 something broke in the cam chest and rubbed a groove in one of the cams. So long income tax check and then some.. If you don't love' em, then don't ride' em.
My 99Ultra TC has a Woods 5 conversion Cam. It's perfect with 3:37 gearing and my my ported flowed heads an intake manifold for my CV44. It's very stout as this guy in Chicago flowed the heads at 285. No idea what the torque is for this 95 but never worried about it as the Super Trapp 2-1 sounds mean as hell.
@@GixxerFoo that's why I'm keeping her plus my buddy built the motor, God rest his soul. She needs new paint though... You think I can buy painted parts for a 99 Ultra?
My evo ultra classic has a very high lift cam and it was great with the 5 speed but I put a 6 speed and I'm thinking about changing the cam to a smaller one because at 75 mph I can't run in 6 gear
@GixxerFoo the cam comes in about 3200 rpm to 5000 and the 6 speed gear kit I put in the bike 6 gear is .86 so about 2900 rpm at 75 mph but the cam is more lift that were I ride at
Hey gixxer Ive done a 95 big bore kit on my tc 88 ,forged pistons 10.5/1 se performance heads , dynatek tc88 ignition , 2-1 exhaust Ali cam chest ,hydraulic tensioner ;high flow oil pump etc , kit came with se211 cam and goes like a rocket but can’t help thinking I’m missing out on some power using this cam especially after watching your vids on woods cams
Do you know if you can just replace the inlet cams on the xl1200? I've got the stock and 249 degree SE cams available and am looking to try some things to get a bit of mid range back without losing *all* the top end
From what I have seen in my research the Star 30/30 and a woods 22xe are pretty similar in power and torque. If you have a tuner that knows what they are doing
that's interesting you say woods cams would be noiser my 103 B is WAY quieter with my woods 777 cams and woods lifters with the use of the HD screaming eagle push rods
You have to be careful when you talk about swaping parts. The aftermarket has taken up where the factory has left off certainly, but you have to be concerned with quality. The days of aftermarket parts being American made is long gone. The market has been flooded with Chinese, Taiwanese nock offs. Even companies like S&S import parts made in these other countries. Unfortunately lifters are one area where you really have to know what your buying, watch out for the aftermarket lifters.
My 96" FXDB is in getting some Reaper 574 cams. Next spring, I'll be looking at jugs and head work. Your videos gave me the inspiration to just go for it. Thanks!
I love my Harley but I didn't bother with spending 5k making it faster, I left it stock and bought a jap bike to thrash and ride my Harley the way it was designed and now I have so many miles on my Harley and still going strong and yes I actually have wrecked my Japanese bike and to me its a bit of a trade off but if you have plenty of money then easy choice just buy a vrod and I haven't actually seen a street vrod fail.
Can I ask you a question! I have a S.E. 110ci with a zippers 587 cam and was going to bump my Compression from the stock 9.2 to 10.1 would that Cause problems?
I just did this to my 110,s&s 570 cams,lifters, cam plate,bumped compression to 10.1 and a good tune..runs great..torque 114,HP 98..couldn't be happier!!!
It will be fine if you ride it moderately....hell I put a set of wood 555 in my dyna and can't quit hammering on it. I'm just waiting for it to shit the bed because it has .006 of run out.
The feeling kid I bought came with a new camp plate bearings lifters and camps. I went gear to gear got rid of the timing chain. How do you feel about the Feeling kids
Every post you make just helps me with my decisions on my 2008 96 twin cam, I have had a few people tell me it's time for a cam , but will have to wait and see. Just got a tuner and high flow air filter to go with my slip ons . Thanks again for all you do .
I've got S&S 585s and they're a longer duration than say the woods profiles and I can still hear my valves... compression ratio is 10.25:1. It's a killer setup in a 103, got a little headwork and making well over a hundred horses. But let's face it you're 100% correct performance cams can be noisy, I wouldn't call it a problem tho more like par for the course.
Threw a set of fueling reaper 525 on my 96ci dyna today. That and the new PV4… I’m having a blast. Little bit of noise I guess but not really. Just a nice boost in the torque and lope to the idle. 😊😊😊
hey man excellent tutorials, i really enjoy them. once in a while with my stage 1 96 engine if i really hop on it in a certain gear , i hear a little "squeak" sound? any ideas on what that could be? also, im planning to do a 96-110 s&s conversion kit soon. thanks, steve
I put in the fueling oem cam plate and oil pump, I have .004 run out with 40000 miles. I went with the oem plate because it’s more forgiving and a 551 S&S cam and lifters, like a new bike, love it!!
Always love to see a new video. I have a dyna fxdb 103 and starts to have preignition. I have short shots on it and everything else is stock. I’m looking for a powervision to fix the lean mix. What do u think?
I've never even consider the valve train noise on my bike with my Woods 222 cam. I always thought riding on top of an engine your going to hear things you never do in a car. I ride with an open face helmut, but also never ride without my ear plugs on either. It's the wind that I worry about. I got good hearing and so far so good. That cam on my SGS, the head work I had done, plus all the other parts to upgade, just make the engine sing. I saw the numbers on the 103 you put up, and I'm similar: 116 torque with 103hp. Finally got good weather here and ready for a first ride tomorrow. Can't wait to feel the wind in my face again. Thanks for another great video. I really love these.
A cam shapes power, so choose what fits your riding style and motorcycle. My 2013 Ultra Limited was horrible (in my opinion) stock. 78 ft pounds of TQ @2,000 RPM peaking at 90 TQ @3,000 RPM. After replacing the cam, exhaust, air filter, and tune it hit 103 ft pounds of TQ @ 2,000 RPM peaking at 106 @2,325. The change made the engine run cooler and had 25 more ft pounds of TQ @ 2,000 RPM. I went from hating my engine to loving it.
Something I never see addressed is fuel mileage. I’m considering a cam swap at the end of next season, after the warranty is gone. Probably S&S 475 for my 107. I don’t care about performance numbers, it’s mostly about the sound and acceleration when you need it. But, I daily drive it, weather permitting here in the Midwest. What would that do to my mpg? I’m getting about 38 now.
My 2020 Road Glide with Ventilator Air Cleaner, 4.5 inch Tabs with Zombie inserts and a screaming beagle tuner was usually 50-52 paper and pencil figured fuel economy. With a Star Racing 30/30 cam, knight prowler tappets, S&S cam chest and Fuel pak 3 it is now at 42-46 mpg. Hope that helps. I will also add one afternoon a group of us went out horsing around and I refueled on the way home it was 34. Playing hard wipes out mpg.
About to do cams on my 09 dyna fxdc tc96. Not wanting to do a big bore any time soon. Wanting more passing power/torque. Think woods TW222 would be a good choice? Already have air cleaner and pipes.
Check out Andrews 48H it's kinda the go to cam for 96". Just did mine few weeks ago, nice new sound and power according to butt dyno. Mpg took a hit though..
I put in a Jims USA 818 cam in my 2019 Tri-Glide and now she is a monster ... 103HP and 130LB-FT and now I can actually get back on 2-wheels from a stop. 😁😁 I get max torque at 3570 RPM, which is just awesome for how I ride. I considered going with the Wood cams, since I had them in my 2013 Road Glide, but my local speed shop said he had much better low end power with the Jims with less hassle.
@kendean2119 I'm not 100% sure about the H, but the rest is correct. My local speed shop recommended, bought, and installed it and dyno'd it. I'd have to look on Jim's again.
I want to get a screaming eagle cam for my m8 114 streetbob 545 I think just for added torque for my heavyweight loads I ride with . 180 lbs plus me 200. Lbs. Which screaming eagle would you recommend. I have the screaming eagle deep breather stock pipes.
I went for a screaming eagle power cam on my 2020 softail slim, and whilst it may not provide all the performance of aftermarket cams it still feels like a worthwhile upgrade and I expect it is designed to work with the engine design developed by Harley
You would think. I don't trust Harley Davidson as far as they're going to make what's right ! I just spent 22hundred on my 06 fatboy in parts that should of been in the bike from the factory
I haven't done a video on the XR1200, but those bikes are fricking awesome! If you can find one, they are getting harder to come by. They have a lot of Buell tech in there, I wanna say the cams in it are the Screamin Eagel 570, compression is higher like a Buell, the heads are the adaptation of the Buell head which went into the 07 and later Sportster. The big power producer on those bikes is that down draft fuel injection. XR1200 is basically a Buell in Harley-Davidson trim for the most part.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you sir!I actually just bought an '11 XRX trimmed out in black,its in pristine condition less than 10k miles with Termignoni exhaust slip ons
Love your videos. I will stay away from Twin Cams. Now, I love the EVO. It’s dependable. But can’t really stand increasing HP. And my M8 is great! I can get high HP with dependability. 🏍💨🏍💨
They make power up there with the Wood, they have a killer sound at idle too! Star Racing has been around a long time and won a lot of championships in drag racing. The 3030 is an excellent choice for a bolt in with a 107, it makes power comparable to the Wood 222 for the M8.
Great info from an informed source. I would be interested to know if you've ever made a video on sprocket sizes. How a bigger engine sprocket and a smaller drive sprocket in the primary would effect performance or a larger transmission drive sprocket and a smaller wheel sprocket would work! Just some of the things I think about. LOL
Many years ago, on my old shovelhead, I increased my engine sprocket and my trans sprocket and decreased my rear wheel sprocket. I did live in the panhandle of Texas, where there is nothing out there. I loved it. It dropped my rpm by about 750 rpm. Way better gas mileage. The only drawback is that in city driving, thete is more wear on the clutch.
I've outgrown my stage 4 131 installed in my R.G. I too am a Woods cam fan. I'm torn between a 22XE and 77X, any suggestions or input? And as for the cam plate and oil pump, it is a crate 131 so they're supposed to have upgraded this and or that but who really knows. Any words on an aftermarket swap? Thanks in advance
You've definently got the the right setup already to support the 77X, the factory cam in the 131 really holds it back. You won't be sacrificing horsepower at all even though that's a torquey cam. I would go 77X since your motor is already setup to support it. It uh, it will really wake it up and come life on another level.
I have the Woods cam in my mil8 and there is no stupid noise in my valve train at all. And you’re right, that rascal is a very real monster for jump up and go. It really brought that bike up to be recognized. I love it!
That's awesome to hear you don't a lot of increased valve train noise. Wood cams are aggressive and they nose off really quick, they are usually noticeably noisier than other performance cams for that reason but the trade off is explosive power.
@@GixxerFooThat’s my experience with it. My wife has a 117 FLHXST and I can whip her out of the hole with my 107 and that 222 cam. Top end is a good run yet still but she will pull out at around (way to fast) 😅
Is it possible to put a cam like the Harley torque cam in a m8 with a factory exhaust? Unsurprisingly, I’m not finding much info on cams with a quiet exhaust.
Absolutely, with the stock exhaust you'll give up a lot of horsepower but you will have really good torque! Screamin Eagle is a good quiet exhaust, you might look at S&S exhaust. They have some great performance exhaust that you can get with quiet baffles and cats that will flow well, not terribly kill the power but they will keep the sound down too. The quiet exhaust knock the horsepower down but they will give you excellent torque paired with a cam.
I’m preparing to purchase my first Harley soon . I would like to ask for some tips on what to look for in purchasing a used Harley and what to steer clear of please ? Thanks in advance
@@bigblue3568 Thank You for the tip . I’ve already found several beautiful bikes with thousands in upgrades that have a nice price tag. Between $5,000-$10,000 and no issues
Since you've got a touring bike l think you'd like TW-222. That's a killer all around power cam, excellent bottom end and then it takes off and pulls all the way to the redline. With a good exhaust, air cleaner and tune it's not uncommon to see 100+ horse and torque on the 103.
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Does valve train noise bother you on your Harley-Davidson, do you even pay attention to it? Let us know!
I don't pay attention, besides I run a very loud vh two into one
Can't hear it over the pipes
Definitely listen for any new or odd noises that's not usual. I noticed more noise from the motor with a more open performance air cleaner, not a lot.
Valve train noise is more of a consideration on motorcycles with fairings. "Naked" motorcycles the noise will be less noticeable.
If your 100 year old blue printed v twin, air cooled tractor engine isn't making some ticking, I'd be concerned. If cam noise bother's you, don't buy a Mikuni, that slide rattle will drive you nuts.
I swear I need a Gixxerfoo neighbor got damnit 😩🤘🙌
I assure you, things would get interesting 😀
He records the farts at the end of each video while sitting in a lawn chair in his front yard. That’s what his real neighbors say.
I enjoy the tips that you give and all of the videos
What cam is good for a 2005 fxst carburator
The fart is back! 🍑💨💨💨
Just a tip for others thinking about installing a Woods TW222 cam in an otherwise stock 103. I had watched another earlier video where this cam was reported to be a “drop in” cam. For the most part, that is correct, but if you use your stock original push rods after you have “dropped it in,” you will NOT be happy with the resultant valve train noise. It is loud, and it makes you feel as if there is something substantially wrong with your install. You will wonder if you forgot to torque the rocker arm assembly, or messed up the cam bearing install. It is seriously that bad. The reason for the noise is a smaller base circle on the cams. The fix is to use adjustable push rods and make the proper adjustment. It gets rid of most of the noise. Not all of it, but at least you will feel a little better about whether the engine is about to fail on you. Just letting you know.
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As long as the push rods have been adjusted properly and your lifters have not failed-hopefully you replaced them, and you have good oil pressure, you should be ok.
When I first “dropped them in” they were so noisy I was worried about the install. I did it myself. Finally decided to upgrade the cam plate, lifters, oil pump, and installed adjustable push rods and was much happier after that. I probably have about 8 thousand miles on them now.
You might want to re-check the push rods for proper lash.
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Well after my new push rods the noise was a lot less. Had stock first, because of the “drop in” claim. Could not stand that noise so I reached out to Woods. They were the ones that said the old push rods wouldn’t work.
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Well I know you said you used an experienced tuner to do your work, but if it was me, I would check the push rod adjustment. If you are confident the lifters are all working correctly, the push rods would be the only other cause. Unless there is wear somewhere else. But that you are only experiencing it now, after the install, leads me away from that being the cause. How many miles on the bike? You would have needed to upgrade the air intake for those cams too. Did you do that?
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Is your oil pressure around 50psi for most of the time, only dropping below 32 at idle?
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Ok. As long as the oil changes were kept up, wear shouldn’t be an issue. Which model? I ask because you said you don’t have an oil pressure gauge. Mine is in an FLHTCU Ultra Classic touring bike. It has an oil gauge.
I have watched many of your videos and decided on a s&s 583c cam with feuling cam plate, pump and a crank gear to take some of the play out of the chain love the sound when it starts up has that race car sound, haven't gotten a tune yet but don't ride much until
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💩 The toot is back! 💩. Good man 🤜🏻🤛🏻
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What about Andrews cams! You have a big huge sign up there you didn't mention them once! I have a EV 59 cam in my bike and I love it!
"I really like Wood cams" as he stand in front of the Andrews High Performance Cams sign. LOL.
Andrews grinds the wood cams
Andrew's literally makes the cams for Woods Performance... LOL
Do I have to remove the push rods and lifters to install a bolt in cam in my 2020 sportster
Dude! Your videos are great and your consideration are the best! Know that alot of us love your videos when times get tough and the hatters jump in! Thank you!
I appreciate that! I've seen some critical comments which I don't mind at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that. But my gosh you guys jump in and back me up like no other!
Wooooo Fart noise is back!!!!🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for all your wisdom 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Engine life versus cam swap. A cam that doesn't require new springs is completely rider dependent. Run to it redline every time you ride it and it will be early failure. For the rest of us it's an afterthought. As for the M8, not swapping stock tappets for quality is a serious gamble. As a long time fan of Bob Wood I just tried the 30/30 cam by George Bryce in a 2020 Road Glide and I have been converted.
Interesting, I will have to check those cams out!
@@GixxerFoo fantastic content and info my man! Appreciate all that you do for the community…have you any experience with the TTS CAMS? R&B race exhaust recommends them so I was curious love there Exhausts as well. Please let me know your thoughts and enjoy your Weekend.
Mark G 9:53
George Bryce knows a thing or two about hotrod Harleys and more specifically cams! He has four cams for the M8 from the 30-30 to all out..... The next in line above the 30-30 is the F35A..... He has a couple of great Twinkie cams also and all his cams have that nostalgic Harley sound which is a huge plus!!!
Did a stage 4/114 on my 107 and went with a red shift 468. Definitely happy with it and it pulled nice on the dyno. It’s not a big bore kit so I think I’m pretty safe with that cam. Love your videos, always some great information.
If you didn't do cylinders, you didn't do stage 4. If you didn't do the heads either, you're at stage 2.
Thanks for the tip on the weight of the Softail liking a torquey’er cam, no one ever mentions it! 👍
No problem at all! If you've got a heavier bike you for sure wants some more torque or you'll be lacking on the bottom end.
ALL "Harley-Davidson's have their ISSUES!" Performance or otherwise!
Ever heard of the "Harley Death Wobble?"
Ever wonder why it's called the "Harley" Death Wobble, and NOT the "Honda" or "Yamaha" or "motorcycle" Death Wobble?
Ever wonder why it is primarily only "Harley-Davidson's" that have an ISSUE with a "Death Wobble?"
Ever wonder why Indian's, Honda's, Yamaha's, Kawasaki's, Suzuki's, BMW's, etc. do NOT have an ISSUE with a "Death Wobble?"
Make fun of my "rice burner" all you want, but I'd rather RIDE my motorcycle than constantly have to WORK on my motorcycle!
Damn you're in OK? I'm over in the Tulsa area. The weather has been great so far. Don't want to jinx it.
Yeah, I thought about that after I said that... don't mess around in Oklahoma the weather can turn on you real quick.
Every post you make just helps me with my decisions on my 2008 96 twin cam, I have had a few people tell me it's time for a cam , but will have to wait and see. Just got a tuner and high flow air filter to go with my slip ons . Thanks again for all you do .
You better think about tightening up that lower end before you start with that stage 3-4. ( Timken bearing)
I did the Harley cams on my 08 Ultra. It really woke it up.
My 2008 is getting the Feuling cam chest right now. Can't wait!
Gixxerfoo you the reason I went with woods tw-6 cam on my 05 road king and upgraded screaming eagle performance cam chest and oil pump! My engine temps have never been cooler and the chop sound form the cams is insane and loud ! Next year is a upgrade you recommend,is the 98 big bore kit from fuel moto for the 88 ,I hope I could hit the 100hp mark on the Dyno !
Love your video's, I have a 2015 Ultra limited, would the S&S 570 be the cam for me. ?
Really depends what kind of riding but being on an ultra l would guess your looking for the low to mid range and not so much wide open power. If low to mid is what you're after the 570 would be a good cam for your bike.
Will the Wood cams still give you that ticking with rocker lockers?
Thanks for all of your great videos. I have a 2005 Fatboy that I bought used, stock. Your videos have really been clear and helpful to a non-mechanical guy like me, not only to learn about what I had bought back in 2015 but also the mods I have been making over time. In 2019, I did the Stage 2 cams, plate and pump, spring cam chain tensioners swap-out, tappets, etc. I am now in the process of doing Stages 3 & 4, pumping it up to 95ci, 10.5-1 pistons, and moderate head porting. I have watched all of your videos about these mods as part of my research and discussions with the mechanics. Big 👍.
Thank you for the support! I really appreciate it! Your building a hell of a bike and doing everything right on there! That bike is gonna run damn good and be reliable, best part is something special compared to all the new bikes.
@docracer75 machine in a set of manual compression releases. I wish I had.
@@nelsonromero3520 Thanks for the suggestion. It's on the work order with the mechanic.
My 2000 Softail Deuce has stock compression and displacement. Previous owner installed Woods TW-8 cam. I can attest to the valve train noise. Definitely needs some more compression to really shine.
Great video man. So I have 525 cams in this twin cam 95" road king. Is the wood tw6 cams stronger torque cams than the 525 which hit in the midrange and ramp up....I want the most torque I can get.
It's really hard to beat that 525 you got, they are so close together comparing the two. If you didn't already have a good cam in there it would really be a toss up.
@@GixxerFoo ...OK man, thank you for responding, much appreciated
Like my wood 222 on my dyna but mam the valve train noise... ehhhh
Yeah they make noise that's for sure, but they lay down some serious numbers.
I run woods 222 in my 103.
I have noticed that if I use amsoil the noise or ticking is louder than if I used Harley oil.
After replacing the cams I broke it in using Harley oil nice and good sound and after 500 mi changed it out to amsoil there is alot of difference.
@@kellumreynolds6113 Harley dino oil or synthetic?
Great video Gixx, dodge the cars!
Look into 570-2 cyclorama cams. I got 98.7 h.p. and 116 ftlbs of tourque. Installed and tuned by shaeffers h.d. in owigsburg pa. Nice and quiet. Still getting 43 to 44 mpg when cruising. Drag specialties headpipe with stock covers. Vance and hines pipes. K and n air filter with stock cover. 31 degrees of timing
Cyclerama makes some killer cams, they are highly underrated honestly.
On what bike/ engine?
Hi mate can you please do a review on the S&SMR103 cam thanks
Great video! I ordered a S&S 475 for my 22 Road King 107. You think that's a good way to go? I was torn between the Star 3030 and the S&S 475. Thanks
From what I have see on various YT channels, they are both great choices. You can't go wrong either way.
@@CGB65 Thanks, appreciate that.
Another trade off is low rpm, low load drivability; i.e. 15mph steady speed in 1st gear. And yes, that is a normal riding condition; especially if you drive on a military installation.
My 2012 RK is getting new cams camchest, oil pump, lifters, pushrods, all Screamin' Eagle, the shop had the parts. At 50,030 something broke in the cam chest and rubbed a groove in one of the cams. So long income tax check and then some.. If you don't love' em, then don't ride' em.
Those are upgraded will be well worth the investment, you won't be disappointed and you'll have peace of mind!
@@GixxerFoo The mechanic at the Indy shop said it will be bulletproof. WOOHOO
My 99Ultra TC has a Woods 5 conversion Cam. It's perfect with 3:37 gearing and my my ported flowed heads an intake manifold for my CV44. It's very stout as this guy in Chicago flowed the heads at 285. No idea what the torque is for this 95 but never worried about it as the Super Trapp 2-1 sounds mean as hell.
You've got a really hot setup there it sounds like! I love those bikes you can work on anywhere anytime like you've got!
@@GixxerFoo that's why I'm keeping her plus my buddy built the motor, God rest his soul. She needs new paint though... You think I can buy painted parts for a 99 Ultra?
It's just like building a hotrod car. The more levels you go up in performance the more everything goes up. Gas, money, maintenance and failures.
My evo ultra classic has a very high lift cam and it was great with the 5 speed but I put a 6 speed and I'm thinking about changing the cam to a smaller one because at 75 mph I can't run in 6 gear
That must be a really tall 6th gear, you'd think that cam would be enough of a bump to pull that 6th gear.
@GixxerFoo the cam comes in about 3200 rpm to 5000 and the 6 speed gear kit I put in the bike 6 gear is .86 so about 2900 rpm at 75 mph but the cam is more lift that were I ride at
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Go 1 tooth smaller on the tranny pully
Hey gixxer Ive done a 95 big bore kit on my tc 88 ,forged pistons 10.5/1 se performance heads , dynatek tc88 ignition , 2-1 exhaust Ali cam chest ,hydraulic tensioner ;high flow oil pump etc , kit came with se211 cam and goes like a rocket but can’t help thinking I’m missing out on some power using this cam especially after watching your vids on woods cams
Do you know if you can just replace the inlet cams on the xl1200? I've got the stock and 249 degree SE cams available and am looking to try some things to get a bit of mid range back without losing *all* the top end
From what I have seen in my research the Star 30/30 and a woods 22xe are pretty similar in power and torque. If you have a tuner that knows what they are doing
that's interesting you say woods cams would be noiser my 103 B is WAY quieter with my woods 777 cams and woods lifters with the use of the HD screaming eagle push rods
You have to be careful when you talk about swaping parts. The aftermarket has taken up where the factory has left off certainly, but you have to be concerned with quality. The days of aftermarket parts being American made is long gone. The market has been flooded with Chinese, Taiwanese nock offs. Even companies like S&S import parts made in these other countries. Unfortunately lifters are one area where you really have to know what your buying, watch out for the aftermarket lifters.
My 96" FXDB is in getting some Reaper 574 cams. Next spring, I'll be looking at jugs and head work. Your videos gave me the inspiration to just go for it. Thanks!
I used SE 255 cam set and am very pleased
Amazing torque on a budget
I love my Harley but I didn't bother with spending 5k making it faster, I left it stock and bought a jap bike to thrash and ride my Harley the way it was designed and now I have so many miles on my Harley and still going strong and yes I actually have wrecked my Japanese bike and to me its a bit of a trade off but if you have plenty of money then easy choice just buy a vrod and I haven't actually seen a street vrod fail.
Can I ask you a question! I have a S.E. 110ci with a zippers 587 cam and was going to bump my Compression from the stock 9.2 to 10.1 would that Cause problems?
I just did this to my 110,s&s 570 cams,lifters, cam plate,bumped compression to 10.1 and a good tune..runs great..torque 114,HP 98..couldn't be happier!!!
Harleys are nothing butt money money money and more money NO THANK YOU !!
It will be fine if you ride it moderately....hell I put a set of wood 555 in my dyna and can't quit hammering on it. I'm just waiting for it to shit the bed because it has .006 of run out.
The feeling kid I bought came with a new camp plate bearings lifters and camps. I went gear to gear got rid of the timing chain. How do you feel about the Feeling kids
But you have an Andrews Cams banner and always have it in the background on every video but didn’t mention a word about them 🤔
Andrews literally makes the cams for Woods Performance and ships them to them.
Congratulations friendo. That bowed shelf used to kill me. Thanks a million.
The stock cams in my 1965 Triumph TR-6 lasted 50 years.
Is a screamin Eagle camchest and oil pump kit that much worse than fueling or S&S ?
Every post you make just helps me with my decisions on my 2008 96 twin cam, I have had a few people tell me it's time for a cam , but will have to wait and see. Just got a tuner and high flow air filter to go with my slip ons . Thanks again for all you do .
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I've got S&S 585s and they're a longer duration than say the woods profiles and I can still hear my valves... compression ratio is 10.25:1. It's a killer setup in a 103, got a little headwork and making well over a hundred horses. But let's face it you're 100% correct performance cams can be noisy, I wouldn't call it a problem tho more like par for the course.
Threw a set of fueling reaper 525 on my 96ci dyna today. That and the new PV4… I’m having a blast. Little bit of noise I guess but not really. Just a nice boost in the torque and lope to the idle. 😊😊😊
Where in Oklahoma?
New cam new lifters ,maybe lifter blocks also .
hey man excellent tutorials, i really enjoy them. once in a while with my stage 1 96 engine if i really hop on it in a certain gear , i hear a little "squeak" sound? any ideas on what that could be? also, im planning to do a 96-110 s&s conversion kit soon. thanks, steve
What you think about a woods 6-6r in a 01 88 inch? Got the kit from fuel moto, complete cam chest kit plus lifter’s and there adjustable push rods, ??
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I put in the fueling oem cam plate and oil pump, I have .004 run out with 40000 miles. I went with the oem plate because it’s more forgiving and a 551 S&S cam and lifters, like a new bike, love it!!
Always love to see a new video. I have a dyna fxdb 103 and starts to have preignition. I have short shots on it and everything else is stock. I’m looking for a powervision to fix the lean mix. What do u think?
Great content..fyi. Woods 222 in a tc103 gives a slight throttle blade click... My info Carry on
Andrews 57h cams same thing only idle to around 1750 rpm though
Buy an expensive motorcycle then you have to put money into the engine to produce more horsepower
Can you add a 4 degree advance cam sprocket on a Woods cam that is already advance. Tks
You want to get rid of that noise use Amsoil in your bike you'll never regret it
I've never even consider the valve train noise on my bike with my Woods 222 cam. I always thought riding on top of an engine your going to hear things you never do in a car. I ride with an open face helmut, but also never ride without my ear plugs on either. It's the wind that I worry about. I got good hearing and so far so good. That cam on my SGS, the head work I had done, plus all the other parts to upgade, just make the engine sing. I saw the numbers on the 103 you put up, and I'm similar: 116 torque with 103hp. Finally got good weather here and ready for a first ride tomorrow. Can't wait to feel the wind in my face again. Thanks for another great video. I really love these.
A cam shapes power, so choose what fits your riding style and motorcycle. My 2013 Ultra Limited was horrible (in my opinion) stock. 78 ft pounds of TQ @2,000 RPM peaking at 90 TQ @3,000 RPM. After replacing the cam, exhaust, air filter, and tune it hit 103 ft pounds of TQ @ 2,000 RPM peaking at 106 @2,325. The change made the engine run cooler and had 25 more ft pounds of TQ @ 2,000 RPM. I went from hating my engine to loving it.
Simple low boost turbo kit would be so much better and make way more power.
Something I never see addressed is fuel mileage. I’m considering a cam swap at the end of next season, after the warranty is gone. Probably S&S 475 for my 107. I don’t care about performance numbers, it’s mostly about the sound and acceleration when you need it. But, I daily drive it, weather permitting here in the Midwest. What would that do to my mpg? I’m getting about 38 now.
I went from 42 ish to 36 after adding cam to twin cam.
My 2020 Road Glide with Ventilator Air Cleaner, 4.5 inch Tabs with Zombie inserts and a screaming beagle tuner was usually 50-52 paper and pencil figured fuel economy. With a Star Racing 30/30 cam, knight prowler tappets, S&S cam chest and Fuel pak 3 it is now at 42-46 mpg. Hope that helps. I will also add one afternoon a group of us went out horsing around and I refueled on the way home it was 34. Playing hard wipes out mpg.
About to do cams on my 09 dyna fxdc tc96. Not wanting to do a big bore any time soon. Wanting more passing power/torque. Think woods TW222 would be a good choice? Already have air cleaner and pipes.
Check out Andrews 48H it's kinda the go to cam for 96". Just did mine few weeks ago, nice new sound and power according to butt dyno. Mpg took a hit though..
I put in a Jims USA 818 cam in my 2019 Tri-Glide and now she is a monster ... 103HP and 130LB-FT and now I can actually get back on 2-wheels from a stop. 😁😁 I get max torque at 3570 RPM, which is just awesome for how I ride.
I considered going with the Wood cams, since I had them in my 2013 Road Glide, but my local speed shop said he had much better low end power with the Jims with less hassle.
That's awesome! We need more trikes out there like that!
Is this the Max-Cell 818h
@kendean2119 I'm not 100% sure about the H, but the rest is correct. My local speed shop recommended, bought, and installed it and dyno'd it. I'd have to look on Jim's again.
The Wood cam is a beast.... Well explained brother💯👊🏼😎
What ever you do don't use s&s there parts turned to shit and there customer service is the worst
I want to get a screaming eagle cam for my m8 114 streetbob 545 I think just for added torque for my heavyweight loads I ride with . 180 lbs plus me 200. Lbs. Which screaming eagle would you recommend. I have the screaming eagle deep breather stock pipes.
Please kind of people that promote negativity need to go away
I went for a screaming eagle power cam on my 2020 softail slim, and whilst it may not provide all the performance of aftermarket cams it still feels like a worthwhile upgrade and I expect it is designed to work with the engine design developed by Harley
Dealership brainwashing at its best....😂🤣😂
You would think. I don't trust Harley Davidson as far as they're going to make what's right ! I just spent 22hundred on my 06 fatboy in parts that should of been in the bike from the factory
Only screamin' eagle thing I left on mine is the air cleaner insert , it looks really cool and doesn't hurt the performance much (adds 6 ounces) .
Off subject here but have you done a vid for the XR1200?Whats your opinion of those?
I haven't done a video on the XR1200, but those bikes are fricking awesome! If you can find one, they are getting harder to come by. They have a lot of Buell tech in there, I wanna say the cams in it are the Screamin Eagel 570, compression is higher like a Buell, the heads are the adaptation of the Buell head which went into the 07 and later Sportster. The big power producer on those bikes is that down draft fuel injection. XR1200 is basically a Buell in Harley-Davidson trim for the most part.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you sir!I actually just bought an '11 XRX trimmed out in black,its in pristine condition less than 10k miles with Termignoni exhaust slip ons
Love your videos.
I will stay away from Twin Cams. Now, I love the EVO. It’s dependable. But can’t really stand increasing HP. And my M8 is great! I can get high HP with dependability. 🏍💨🏍💨
Appreciate you sharing your experience n opinions.
259 se cams on a 103 stage 4.....thing is amazing
I know you like wood cam bout what's your thought on Star Racing 3030 cam for a 2020 RoadGlide 107
They make power up there with the Wood, they have a killer sound at idle too! Star Racing has been around a long time and won a lot of championships in drag racing. The 3030 is an excellent choice for a bolt in with a 107, it makes power comparable to the Wood 222 for the M8.
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Great info from an informed source. I would be interested to know if you've ever made a video on sprocket sizes. How a bigger engine sprocket and a smaller drive sprocket in the primary would effect performance or a larger transmission drive sprocket and a smaller wheel sprocket would work! Just some of the things I think about. LOL
That's a really great idea!!
Many years ago, on my old shovelhead, I increased my engine sprocket and my trans sprocket and decreased my rear wheel sprocket. I did live in the panhandle of Texas, where there is nothing out there. I loved it. It dropped my rpm by about 750 rpm. Way better gas mileage. The only drawback is that in city driving, thete is more wear on the clutch.
Can you still use steel lifters with a Wood cam?
Zipper's ... where is the love???
Great info as always😊
Great video too Gixxer.... I'd love to visit your shop on my way to dturgis
I've outgrown my stage 4 131 installed in my R.G. I too am a Woods cam fan. I'm torn between a 22XE and 77X, any suggestions or input? And as for the cam plate and oil pump, it is a crate 131 so they're supposed to have upgraded this and or that but who really knows. Any words on an aftermarket swap? Thanks in advance
You've definently got the the right setup already to support the 77X, the factory cam in the 131 really holds it back. You won't be sacrificing horsepower at all even though that's a torquey cam. I would go 77X since your motor is already setup to support it. It uh, it will really wake it up and come life on another level.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you
I have the Woods cam in my mil8 and there is no stupid noise in my valve train at all. And you’re right, that rascal is a very real monster for jump up and go. It really brought that bike up to be recognized. I love it!
That's awesome to hear you don't a lot of increased valve train noise. Wood cams are aggressive and they nose off really quick, they are usually noticeably noisier than other performance cams for that reason but the trade off is explosive power.
@@GixxerFooThat’s my experience with it. My wife has a 117 FLHXST and I can whip her out of the hole with my 107 and that 222 cam. Top end is a good run yet still but she will pull out at around (way to fast) 😅
Is it possible to put a cam like the Harley torque cam in a m8 with a factory exhaust? Unsurprisingly, I’m not finding much info on cams with a quiet exhaust.
Absolutely, with the stock exhaust you'll give up a lot of horsepower but you will have really good torque! Screamin Eagle is a good quiet exhaust, you might look at S&S exhaust. They have some great performance exhaust that you can get with quiet baffles and cats that will flow well, not terribly kill the power but they will keep the sound down too.
The quiet exhaust knock the horsepower down but they will give you excellent torque paired with a cam.
@@GixxerFoo thanks for the reply. Just some more torque for two up riding on my ultra is all I need.
I’m preparing to purchase my first Harley soon . I would like to ask for some tips on what to look for in purchasing a used Harley and what to steer clear of please ? Thanks in advance
First tip .... stay away from the dealer if you want to literally save thousands for the same bike you could find from a private seller.
@@bigblue3568 Thank You for the tip . I’ve already found several beautiful bikes with thousands in upgrades that have a nice price tag. Between $5,000-$10,000 and no issues
If it's got over 20K miles, have them pull the service records for you and consider the extended warranty...saved me 5k right away. Ride safe
@@dallaspirate5093 thank You 🙏 for the tip
What’s the best wood cam for a 103HO. I ride low rpm’s. And love the galloping sound at idle.
PS. Water cooled heads.
Since you've got a touring bike l think you'd like TW-222. That's a killer all around power cam, excellent bottom end and then it takes off and pulls all the way to the redline. With a good exhaust, air cleaner and tune it's not uncommon to see 100+ horse and torque on the 103.
Really Good information there !
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My old Neighbor , wanted me to start a Chanel on U-Tube about 8 years ago , shoulda took him up on it.
Truthful Answer's and information you give is hard to find.
I was luckily , Raised in a Service station as my dad left Railroad and opened a service station in 1960 , till 1977 . He went and opened a Small Engine business.
I went to Railroad and was also a Machinist there. Having the background we had , learned alot. My youngest son works sometimes with John . But he works full time as a Diesel Mechanic at local Ford Dealership.
Oldest son is Service Manager at a Toyota and Chevrolet Dealership. Locally Here in Culpeper, Virginia
Keep up the good Work , like I said your Platform is a Good one.
Congratulations on it !!!
Got 65K on my Road King....I'm thinking of a bolt in cam swap simply because I'd imagine it's about time to address the lifters
Not a bad idea on those lifters, those things work and work till one starts making noise. Usually by then it's wiped a cam lobe.
I can't get away from my leineweber bump sticks , and valvetrain parts , from my stock 80 inch through my 140 incher , they make them work !
I run the 444 Woods. Not a problem in the world. From memory, l think l gained 30% extra torque. Luv it.