EPA finalizes TOUGH new rules to Boost EV Sales & penalise ICE this week
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In Europe almost all supermakets has a charger... even Hamburguers companys
Europeans need to jump in those EV'S and drive to Ukraine to save themselves.
When I was younger I thought gas smelled kinda neat. Now it stinks. Exhaust too. Really noticeable after a week at the cottage.
In the Hamptons? Bahahaha
Exactly. Me too. I drive both an EV, a BYD Atto 3 and an 8 year old KIA Sportage diesel which has been meticulously serviced and is working really well. I have to keep the KIA for a little while longer but it will be replaced for another EV, maybe the new BYD Seal U when it arrives later this year or maybe 2025. Hate the stench of ICE and know how damaging it is to everyone regardless of politics. These fumes are carcinogenic!
And you drive your gas guzzler to the cottage? Be honest 😂
I liked the smell too back when it had lead in it. No wonder I'm so dumb.
Wait to get batteries wasted in the countryside. You will love the acid smell
In the late 70's I rode a motorcycle a lot. When stuck in traffic the fumes would literally make you gag they were so bad. I'd get a headache from the fumes if traffic wasn't moving fast enough. Yea, put a dollar a gallon carbon tax on gas, make the gas hog lovers pay.
Stellantis CEO says they won't buy credits from Tesla anymore. They just gonna bite the bullet and pay fines. 😂
Wonder how that will go over with their customers and investors when it results in higher ICE car prices? Guessing it is all hot air. It could cost him his job.,
That works too!
Yeah……they won’t be around😂
*"Via Google"* :
Ford CEO, Jim Farley has stopped Ford for making EVs for now and Ramping up their hybrid production.
Stellantis will be the first to file for bankruptcy
The Biden administration's original proposal, released in April 2023, would have cut EVs’ mpg equivalent by 72% in 2027. Automakers will have more time to comply with U.S. fuel economy requirements after the Department of Energy approved a final rule on Tuesday that slowly reduces electric vehicles’ fuel economy equivalent rating by 60% by 2030. The final rule allows vehicle manufacturers to sell many more gas-engine vehicles through 2030. Ocean temperatures hit a record high in February 2024, with the average global sea surface temperature at 21.06 degrees Celsius (69.91 degrees Fahrenheit), the EU's Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) said on Thursday. The United States remains the global leader in crude oil production with 18,000,000 barrels/day. The rule was a victory for ICE, not BEVs.
Let them procrastinate as long as they want . Legacy auto dipped their foot in EVs and it's painfully obvious they will try to wait for a better battery to come out. With coveted 500 mile range and at affordable rate.
By that point Tesla will dominate sales and have charger infrastructure to handle the influx of new cars.
They will make Netflix profit from charger subs alone.
Great news then. ICE ICE BABY!!😅😅
You're right, at least for most of that.
Where I disagree is in the idea that ICEs are getting much of a reprieve, never mind a "victory".
Most of the "end of ICE production laws" are set well past that date when most people will have already switched over.
In fact fears that they might be wrong have prompted several governments to push that date of those laws further into the future.
I (personally) don't think they have anything to worry about.
Those laws will only force a few stubborn hold outs to change late at a large cost to themselves.
So if these laws won't force people to switch, what will make that happen?
In two powerful words: Fuel prices, will make it happen.
I don't foresee any long term downward pressure on fuel prices for the remainder of the ICE period. (now to 2035, theoretically)
The price, right now, is above the 20 year average, and is likely to, at the very least, creep upwards from this point on.
(Depending on circumstances, it could also see times of dramatic increase.)
So if you're fossil fuels you're looking to ride that horse (fuel buyers) hard until it drops dead.
@@drivingforcebehindu Lucid Air claims 520 mile range, but not what most describe as affordable. Stellantis claims their new EV platform will get 500 mi range as well, not yet in production to my knowledge. I would say legacy auto talked about dipping their toe and decided to spend less money lobbying government to extend the lifetime of polluting ICE cars as that was easier than competing with hard-working motivated farsighted Tesla.
@@beautifulgirl219 Stellantis has cars with more 500km... Peugeot e-3008 and e-5008
They can lobby to have the regulations relaxed all they want, but the longer legacy makers take to get on board, the harder Tesla and Chinese makers are going to destroy the legacy makers over the next 10 years.
Thanks!
Welcome!
3 cheers for FASCISM!
They cant force us to buy EVS
Why not?
Already being challenged in court. These new standards will end up getting watered down. The people who wanted EV’s have already bought them. Demand is dropping rapidly. Automakers have already re allocated much of their EV production back to hybrids and ICE.
Buy what suits your situation not what suits an overreaching EPA. They will have their wrist slapped for overreaching. No worries
The biggest thing that will "force" people out of gasoline and diesel vehicles; will be the price of those fuels.
The price of fuel is higher than average in North America right now, and I don't see it taking any long term price drops.
In fact I expect prices to trend upwards throughout this decade, here in Canada, and in the USA.
a fuel efficiency of 13 mpg, over 250,000 miles, the muscle car would consume approximately 19,231 gallons of gas (250,000 miles / 13 mpg).
Using the average CO2 emission rate of 22.4 pounds per gallon of diesel, the total CO2 emissions would be roughly 431,477 pounds (or 195.7 metric tons) of CO2. Multiply that by the about gas costs over here in Nevada for $3.80 with 250k miles that's $73,077...... A large house down payment. An electric car takes about 8-17 metric tons if purely mined (Zero recycled lithium material) ALL WHICH IS ENTIRELY GOOGLE-ABLE.....
CO2 has no impact on the climate. Temps go up and more CO2 enters the air from the ocean.
Geothermal lithium production in the Rhine Valley graben is zero-carbon, using the heat from the pumped lithium brine to produce electricity.
And you agree with this?
Do you agree with oil subsidies?
@johnfurr6060 oil subsidies have already been overtaken by solar subsidies. Yet it's so affordable, you need the government to help you pay for it.
I think you all need to revisit the story about that emperor that had no clothes...
It’s crazy driving to Charlotte to work, bumber to bumper with only one person per car. What ever happened to carpooling?
I don't care to car pool unless my passenger(s) are beautiful voluptuous girl(s).
You like it or not everybody do not think like you.
Ford CEO, Jim Farley has stopped Ford for making EVs for now and Ramping up their hybrid production.
When I think of just myself, I have always (?) wanted to be silent in the morning, not to have to speak to anyone or discuss anything. But in the afternoon I'm more ready to "discuss" things with almost anyone.
I think quite a lot of people like to have 20-30 minutes for themselves in the morning before thinking of problems that should be solved during the day.
You have to realise that human beings have lived in small villages for, maybe, hundred thousand years, and this has changed in hundred years, 3-4 generations.
To what extent can we force changes to people without getting a backlash?
It's partly the neglect of mass transit like rail etc in favor of the 'american dream' where everyONE owns a car.
If we require all EVs to have at least 4 occupants to move, then we will have adequate charging infrastructure. (sarcasm for those who didn't notice)
@TheEvilmooseofdoom it's called freedom of choice comrade.
If oil companies loose too much money, wonder how many people will loose super credits etc
And as you have already said a lot of people especially in cold places are reluctant to purchase a car with not enough range and not many charging options and poor or no trade in after the battery warranties run out.
Think I would pay a penalty for something that is actually workable, while other alternative fuels are researched.
I dont think a lot of people have spare cash to throw at a car with little resale value
Morning mate
Is Google right ?
So, if you're traveling with three or more people, driving is the better option, and here's why: Three people on the cross-country flight would account for 1.86 tons of carbon emissions (0.62 tons of CO2 x 3), compared to the total 1.26 tons of carbon the vehicle would produce (ignoring that the extra weight would ...2 Dec 2022
Do it in a EV. Almost zero carbon!
The other day I learned that Rivian is losing 94K dollars on every vehicle it sells. Making it hard on ICE won't help unless they can sell at a profit. How long can venture money keep such a leaky boat afloat?
94k per vehicle? 😂😂😂
This seems like overstretch from the EPA. I am not perfectly well read in the laws, but I have read a bit and I'm open for contradiction here, but it might take on this is that it's a congressional issue for setting mandates like this, so I think this is overstretch and if Republicans win this fall or in the future or even with the current makeup of the house, it seems very possible that the EPA could be limited here by a congressional law that says no modifies this heavily
What a load of bollocks
Just stop subsidizeising fuel there and let's see what happens
And tell me how they are going to sell these things with a dwindling economy because of things like a.i taking jobs?
I also disagree with the statement of 2032 being the true transition. BYD is clearly focusing on a new angle. The cheaper car for a shorter commute. The problem with the USA is the charging infrastructure. Get the energy companies on board the EV sector takes off
It only applies in China. China's government wants their nation to be transitioning fully on EV by 2030.
EPA and the manufacturers can build anything, but that doesn't mean I have to but it. My current vehicles can easily last longer than I will. I can go another 25 years without buying a car or truck.
That's a good thing. It means you won't contribute to demand for EVs but you also won't contribute to demand for new ICE vehicles.
AFTER the election, please!
Punishing people for not being affluent enough to afford to adopt new technology is counterproductive to the advancement of the technology in question. Punishing the poor for being to poor to adopt new tech does however serve the goals of social engineers in fragmenting populations into easily managed groups that are absorbed contesting each other..
Uninformed opinions like this are slowing progress. EV's are already cheaper than gas car to buy and operate. In 18 months will be half as expensive as a gas car.
a fuel efficiency of 13 mpg, over 250,000 miles, the muscle car would consume approximately 19,231 gallons of gas (250,000 miles / 13 mpg).
Using the average CO2 emission rate of 22.4 pounds per gallon of diesel, the total CO2 emissions would be roughly 431,477 pounds (or 195.7 metric tons) of CO2. Multiply that by the about gas costs over here in Nevada for $3.80 with 250k miles that's $73,077...... A large house down payment. An electric car takes about 8-17 metric tons if purely mined (Zero recycled lithium material) ALL WHICH IS ENTIRELY GOOGLE-ABLE.....
I wonder why they need a boost?
Sam is right on . The costs to health on vehicle exhaust is comparable to smoking cigarretts . Especially if you live by a busy highway or road . I went to a nba basketball game yestaday with family and grandkids . We parked in a parking garage and the stench of exhaust is at high levels as i looked over at my grandmids young lungs and wonder what damage is occuring as there parents and the rest of the participants are just oblivious .
Its funny for how many complain about a clean air fiture . It makes no sense across the board .
Trump if elected will reverse these actions . He did was president . He also brought a law suit against california on strict vehichle emissions regulations .
I understand sam doesnt want to be political but the fact is one side is for the other is against and if the political sides change after a election than policy changes .
If biden is reelected the electricification process will continue and if high democratic majorities are elected it will further be acelerated . If the opposit occures than the process will be greatly deminished .
Its interesting musk politically leans with the group that wants to see the ev process reveresed
So your happy to push ev knowing they use child labour to get cobalt. You happy that they are doing so much damage to the land and water supply of the liuthum triangle in south America. Your happy they use fossil full to dug minerals out of the ground. Your happy they use fossil fuel to transport it to Port.your happy to use fossil fuel to ship to me made in to battery's. Then use fossil fuel to transport around the world to car makers.the end products may be green but making is not green at all. Best way to be green walk only .
Trump is not anti ev. He knows this is not the way to do it.
Trump is an idiot. Who cares what he says he knows. It's all b.s. anyway.
Need more chargers!
We don't need any chargers.
So install one at your house? I did at my houses. Saved me money in the long run.
In UK it's 80% by 2030 :)
Oil use is not confined to transport. This makes your statement misleading. Excess transport related pollution creates smog. The worst pollution is coming from Coal which is cheaper.
Whataboutism at its best. Coal usage is steadily declining, and renewables increase.
As a Tesla owner and cyber truck reservation holder, i say, LET THE MARKET handle this! So much money will be WASTED before it is mass market ready.
Public EV charging is a DISASTER (and always will be)
Wrong
Typical American politics. Tax tax tax. I normally agree with most of what the Viking says but saying this will reduce healthcare costs had me bent over laughing so hard.
Maybe you won’t be laughing so hard when you are bent over coughing up your cancer ridden lungs due to so much unnecessary pollution from ice vehicles. It is long since time that those that buy $70-80k Ice Trucks and SUVs convert to All ELectric Vehicles. A lot have, but I still see many very expensive ice cars on the road invisibly creating health problems for the most vulnerable people in the U.S.
It’s just not acceptable to me anymore. Do I have an EV? No, but I do have one on order and will be buying a second by the end of this year replacing both our old ice vehicles - even though one burns 85% ethanol.
@@RandyP-jr1ek You sound young and naive. How come all the people that lived through the 70's don't have lung cancer. Cars were 100x the polluters they are now. You could barely see the ocean in LA. The pollution is significantly better now than it was in the 70's despite what the politicians are fooling you into so they can tax tax and then tax some more. It used to be when the smog lifts UCLA. Nothing remotely close to that anymore.China has 18 of the top 20 dirtiest cities despite massive EV adoption. You know why? They are building coal plants to power them at alarming rates.
China gets more of it’s electricity from coal than from all other sources combined. Actually…MORE THAN *TWICE* AS MUCH. And coal produces more actual “pollution” than all of the other sources per kWh…by an extremely wide margin. Their coal-based power generation has increased steeply since 2000. In fact, _it has increased by over 300% in that period of time._ So, today China’s coal generated electricity is four times what it was in 2000. If you drive an electric car in China you are…in effect…driving a vehicle that is primarily powered not by solar or wind or clean burning natural gas, but by good old-fashioned, black lung producing coal. Not to mention massive fly ash toxicities comprised of organic pollutants, heavy metals and radioactive elements. *_Green revolution indeed._*
Unfortunately, people aren't interested in actual facts any more. Everyone wants to be scared of plant food.
@@dzcav3Except that the information above has little to do with facts
Your source is fake as everthing that the West is reporting about China is fake.
So what are you saying Mate! Let's do nothing because no one else is. What a lame excuse you have and a very shallow way of thinking. America is one of the largest pollutants!!
Magic words are in cities we are to stupid to understand the logic.
What's happening in Amerrica right now needs none of this. Tesla just began opening the largest, most reliable charging network in the world to none Teslas. Ford got access 2 weeks ago and Rivian just got it a couple of days ago. Nothing is stopping EVs taking over in America sooner than anyone thinks now.
The end of the dealership monoply standing in the way of legacy is next.
"You will own an EV and you WILL be happy!" - Big Brother
"You will keep your ICE and we will ignore complaints!" - Big Brother
I bought a BEV suv, Deepal S7. 500km real-life range at 15.2kwh per 100km. I pay 0.8rmb per kwh which equates to about 12rmb/1.5pounds/1.8dollars per 100km. Yeah I am over the moon.😂
They are slowing it down in the shirt term in hopes Trump will get elected and then remove the epa rules in the future.
Yes please. That would be a win win.
People said similar things the last time he was elected. He did lower EPA standards on Fossil Fuels but it didn't really matter. Renewables still continued to radically increase, particularly in Republican states which now make up 70 percent of all US renewables. Even if does exactly as you suggest, which he probably will, the train has already left the station. The world is changing fast and there's nothing Trump can do but maybe delay it a little.
If that happened I might would consider an EV as a possibility. It would be cool to see if evs could make it without subsidies and we would get massive price cuts, kinda like the ones the announced when subsidies was going to end and I was ready to buy EV
@@justinr9753 The interesting thing is, subsidies really haven't mattered much to date. I'm sure they've helped in US for the few cars that actually qualify, but most EV's do not qualify and subsidies have only been around for 18 months, not counting the very early subsidies that expired a long time ago. Growth was good before and after. Globally growth continues in all countries whether they have subsidies or not. The thing that will really help is the free fall in battery prices. Last year they fell 40 percent this year they've already fallen 19 percent. CATL, the largest battery maker in the world, says their batteries will sell for $56 per Kwh by the end of this year. That's half of what batteries are currently selling for. At that price EV's will be cheaper than comparable gas vehicles.
@@Ryan-ff2db Agreed
this past summer in Dallas TX, there was air pollution warnings with warnings to limit outside activity.
And there are thousands of EVs in the Dallas area, just imagine how bad it would be if there were none.
the EPA is going to wimp out.
You bet they will, just like Old Joe Biden has back down.
Yes
Just like old Joe Biden has eased up on his push for everyone owning a EV.
Let's hope so.
They already have.
Why should it? Anyway the US is already lagging badly in the switch to EVs. More rampant US exceptionalism.
The main reason governments are mandating electrification of passenger vehicles actually relates more to global political agendas than climate concerns. As it turns out, ICE passenger vehicles only contribute at most 7% of all worldwide carbon emissions (reference Harry's Garage channel on TH-cam discussing this subject for further details). So this brings up the crucial question of "why" then are governments focussing on passenger vehicles and forcing electrification on consumers? The answer is quite simple ... it involves World Economic Forum (WEF) directives to ensure long-term human sustainability but interestingly these (directives) are heavily influenced by China and its own CCP objectives. In essence, a global dependence on fossil fuels is being exchanged for Lithium and Cobalt ... and you may have already guessed it but China controls over 80% of all mining/ processing of these two critical natural resources (in Argentina, Brazil, and Chile). This vehicle electrification program shifting global energy dependence is just one of several maneuvers instigated by China to be in a position, as the CCP has stated, thereby "offering the world an alternative form of governance and economics" by 2046. As is the case regarding many political topics in life ... things are not quite as they appear on the surface!
Trump was right about the auto sector bloodbath being caused by China.
Biden takes Chinese bribe money.
What they tell you is lies. Every bit of fossil fuel used is contributing to an already overwhelming global destruction of normal weather patterns. The USA has used up far more over the last century than the rest of the world combined. China is driving the change because they couldn’t breathe. There is plenty of materials for batteries around the world . Stop believing the lies and worse still,spreading them!❤❤🌎
@@malcolmrickarby2313
Before quickly discounting things as lies ... do the research and enlightenment shall follow. The last five years of global health destruction and devastation caused almost entirely by China should be waking people up ... Fiction often is sold as Truth and actual Truth gets quickly labeled as Conspiracy Theory. However, once enough time passes, the honest truth makes itself known. Dig beyond the surface ...
We will own nothing and be happy.
Lord help us all.
I live in Texas and I'm proud to be in number one state for wind and 2 in solar right behind a state that forces you to get solar but they come along trying to hold my hand or shove evs down my throat I'm going to do the opposite.
subtitles would help.
Click the "cc" box on the upper right of the screen for subtitles, also known as "closed captioning".
Very likely that EVs will be significantly cheaper than ICE vehicles long before 2032. I doubt the EPA regulations would really be necessary. EVs will dominate sales a decade from now anyway.
At this point, the EPA regulations are more to help ensure that we still have US EV manufacturers rather than just EVs. Without getting the US manufacturers to scale, we will have all EVs by 2035 in any event. Just they will all be manufactured by China.
The worldwide 50% transition in other words where 50% of new vehicle sales are full bevs not hybrids based on the exponential ramp we are currently on is sometime around 2027 so you literally have no idea what you're talking about. It's amazing to see how people have absorbed all the disinformation dribbled out by the lame stream media. It's sad actually.
Obviously this is part of an utterly clueless notion about the adoption rate. If you look at the statistics worldwide not simply in the United States the 50% penetration rate meaning that 50% of all new vehicles are Bev's will be crossed over sometime in 2027. China will be there long before that and that's the largest market, Europe probably in 2026-2027, and the United States in 2028- 2029. But the overall 50% penetration weight it's going to be passed by sometime in late 2026 early 2027. So you literally have no clue what you're talking about.
@@douglaswatt1582wow. What a ridiculous outburst. Stay off the juice mate.
@douglaswatt1582 I rarely see Teslas outside the city. The other brands of EVs look like other compact SUVs and might be out here, but one Tesla every few days is all I see. The Tesla Cybertruck factory is right up the road from here. If EVs are the trend, then what is the Ford F250 Superduty? Those are everywhere I go.
Government authoritarian interference in what should be a free market ....shameful.
Ah the bonkers libertarians are coming out of the woodwork.
Agree, all oil subsidies should be stopped.
Ford & GM should stop receiving their multi billion subsidies.
GM & Ford should be made to pay back their loans instead of paying dividends to their shareholders
You mean like the oil subsidies you have lived with your entire life?
Like lunches, there is no such thing as a free market.
The single largest government authoritarian interference in free markets for OVER the LAST CENTURY is U.S. subsidies of the fossil fuel industries, most notably oil & gas, but also coal. Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion or 7.1 percent of GDP in 2022, reflecting a $2 trillion increase since 2020 due to government support. Are you going to do something about it? There's an election in the U.S. in November and only one party TRULY supports free markets. It's not the Russia party.
Cheers mate
We are so far behind on this in Australia.
And what a blessing.
We have more fresh air to start with.🦘🏖🐬
Thank goodness.
Another reason to be cheerful. Australia's air is CLEAN. We were listed amongst the 7 best countries for air quality.
It's the cost of living. What next pesticides. Before you answer look at shrilanka starving thousands without fertilizer
How do you propose to generate the electricity needed?
Several different methods
@@Simon-dm8zv are you in politics because that’s the kind of answer a politician would give nothing specific. If you’re referring to renewables that is impossible, Ables can only keep up with 10% of the additional electricity we use each year.
@@fishmonger6879 It will be a mix of fossil and renewable power sources. Over time renewables will increase and fossil generation decrease.
@@Simon-dm8zvRead this book and gain some knowledge then get back to me. A Question of Power: Electricity and the Wealth of Nations
Book by Robert Bryce
Look, my problem with all these EV regulations is that you cant REGULATE something into existence. You think the lightbulb replaced kerosene lanterns because the government said to? No, it was just obviously the smarter, easier, and more efficient choice. That WILL happen with EV's someday, its just the tech isnt ready yet. Strangling the ICE market will not make this process of R&D / Change easier for consumers
Except that in this case there is no time to lose.
Love it! Poorer countries are always late to the table. Biden is trying, but oil industri billionaires are scared stiff. Poor people are afraid they have to buy new cares, but really they only have to buy gas for 20 us a gallon 😂
I'm Lovin' It.
Well stand up and go for a walk. 😅😅😅😅
This should stop on about the first day of Trump's inauguration.
People dont want them.
If EVs were wanted mandates & subsidies wouldn't be needed.
May be ok in somewhere like The Netherlands which is flat & only the size of a mid size city
Current EV market share in the US among other new cars is 32% plus or minus 2%,
look it up.
Can trump be inaugurated from prison ?
Trumps inauguration was nearly seven years ago and there will never be another one.🤞
@@rRobertSmithbullshit
@@malcolmrickarby2313be careful of what you wish for.
by penalising ice car owners it just strengthens their argument that ev cars are inferior, evs should be able to appeal to motorists on their merits, when i first got my license a motorbike was my choice but no govt forced me into buying one because it polluted less and was cheaper to run than a car
They will, but incentives are needed during the growth phase of a new industry. This has been done repeatedly throughout history.
@@adamdarrowtyranny is common throughout history is all you are saying here.
You're a child. 😂 @@stormsj
@@100c0c manipulation of the free market to encourage or discourage some behavior is a form of tyranny. Particularly when done on the whim of an elite minority.
Nobody was complaining about tyranny when tough laws were adopted against smoking in lots of public places in the USA. The same should be for bad smoking engines. Outside of cities you can smoke or drive ICE as you like on highways. We live close to golf court. I can't stand the smell of ICE golf carts passing buy since they smell much worse than any new car or truck with catalitic converter. Those clunkers, golf carts, are propulsed by two stroke engines with oil on the bottom of the gasoline tank. I would rather smell new Diesel engine truck than a gasoline golf cart.
I understand pollution is bad for health. What is the correlation to climate change?
None. Climate is quite healthy.
Extreme weather means more tax dollars to fix places that have been f*d by it.
Although, to be fair, yeah Viking brainfarted. Like he forgot that my country is too dumb to nationalize healthcare. Which was the point of his argument (but for a better one, see above)
And forcing those too young to have a vote to breathe noxious fossil fuel emissions isn’t?
Not quite as bad as having lunatics tell us what we must drive. Global Warming is a hoax.
Force? What's this? Sounds like a loss of freedom.
Only matters when it negatively affects you.
In 2026 biden will be about 82 years old
And trump will be in jail.
@@cangle37 I don't think so
Promoting EVs … the most competitive EV makers are in China. Basically committing economic suicide.
Good news. Hopefully it sticks. I've been disappointed to see a lot of backtracking and was thinking the haters were winning.
@@Markcain268 car makers have been "talking out of both sides of their mouths" as the American Indians used to say. They contradict themselves saying they are the future now with 20 EV concept cars. Then they all lobby against it and invest tons of money in ICE instead. It seems it's up to the governments, Tesla and the Chinese auto market to force them to stop with the games and give us what we want!
I like EVs but you lost me at the mandate.
Why is any legislation required to force EV adoption? We hear all the time about how much better EVs are on this channel.
Exactly! Build a better car at a reasonable price and they will sell. No legislation needed.
You're right. EVs are better, and legislation isn't really needed, imho. It might speed things up though. Legacy automakers might need a little kick in the arse.
Because both China and Europe are going to be close to 100 percent new car sales EVs well before their mandates kick in.
So at the next climate change forum USA will not have a leg to stand on.
But you are right that ICE vehicles are getting disrupted one way or another
It's not required. They could just heavily tax the oil industry and heavily tax ice vehicles and fuel.
Then people will have the choice to either spend thousands of dollars on gas every month or to drive an EV instead.
@@kentyler3962 Necessity is the father of invention. If they have a reason to build EV then they will.
There are 2 types of EV car enthusiasts.
1 Those of us who understand cars, engineering and economics. We appreciate the fact that electric motors and large batteries just make a better car. Many of us are not only car enthusiasts, but also people who appreciate constructive progress.
2 Unfortunately many are just people who subscribe to goofy environmental nonsense, are easily manipulated by half baked propaganda, or are unhinged believers in the global warming religion.
Where does our Australian Viking friend land on this spectrum? Doesn't look good.
No one likes heavy handed government do-gooderism. EVs are a superior product for most and can stand on their own.
Good then let them do it without taxpayer dollars and thug policies that involve scam carbon credits.
How do you explain the current historic rapid increase in global temperature, which was predicted many years ago by scientists.
@mnhsty it's nonsense. Don't believe it.
Its happened before and will happen again, regardless of what we do@@mnhsty
Yes the EV's are better vehicles.. and yes we need to move to clean energy for the environment. Denying that isn't goofy it's ignorant AF
I think Tesla should make their EV Skateboard platform and electronics available for other manufacturers to purchase. Saves ICE manufacturers spending billions on development and creates another revenue stream.I believe there are people who would prefer a different body / interior to Tesla however want the leading Tesla drivetrain. “Powered by Tesla” badge on the vehicles😊
Tesla does they are an open book, but most brands are too stubborn to get help making EV's they would rather fail on there own...
@@vancity2349sure they are. Why do they hold multiple patents?
these proposed laws are still way off the mark on what is needed, NOW.,and here in Australia we are still taxing EVs more than ICE.
Crap. They are both subject to the same tariff and taxes.
@@robertfonovic3551Actually EV's are taxed much less - even ignoring state by state stamp duty exemptions and rebates. Import tariffs on EVs were scrapped in July 2022 (technically changed to zero % but same impact)
5% for ICE cars and 4WDs is still in place for most places of origin that are not exempt countries / subject to reduced rates.
EV's do not pay petrol taxes, there is GST on electricity - but I have spent less than $250 over 24,000 km of driving on electricity with the GST on that less than $23.
The luxury car threshold (when you start to pay LCT) is $89,332 for EVs and $76,950 for other cars.
If you salary-sacrifice an EV there is no fringe benefits tax (under the LCT cap) If you are on the top tax rate and get a $60,000 EV that's an additional tax saving of $12000 taxable value / $5600 net cash in the pocket for the life of the lease.
It would really be nice if Sam understood reality. At 3:50 he talked about particulate pollution as being carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen oxides.
A. None of these are particulates
B. Carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant, except in the heads of totalitarians who want to get rich and make you miserable. (Yes, I know the IRA designated it as a pollutant. That's my point.)
C. EVs produce more particulate pollution than ICE vehicles because they are so heavy that they wear their tires out very fast. Rubber particulates are actual pollution.
C. Wrong. Has been proven countless times.
@@Simon-dm8zvDo you research and don't listen to a salesman , they'll say anything to make sale, especially to a young unknowing people. Easy sell !!
@@Wendy-nm9zw I am obviously referring to scientific research.
So how come the brakes last much longer on my EV than on my previous ICE cars? (50kk vs. 250kk). Tires last around the same amount of kilometers compared to my previous ICE even if the ICE only had a fourth of the horsepower.
Trade one pollutant for another. Lithium EV batteries are highly toxic to people and our environment, a constant fire danger adding one more thing to an ready polluted environment . EMF Radiation is another concern from these EVs
Nope. Pollutants of EVs are far and far lower. EMF is not a concern.
@@Simon-dm8zv Sounds like you have been listening to a EV salesperson or online orders will tell you anything to make a sale... Young unknowing buyers are an easy sell !
If it's Lithium or Lithium base or like most rechargeables.. Beware !
This from the federal government web site.
Here you go, in plain English .
Lithium batteries are regulated as a hazardous material under the U.S. Department of Transportation's (DOT) Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 C.F.R., Parts 171-180).
Exposure to Lithium can cause loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain. ► Lithium can cause headache, muscle weakness, twitching, blurred vision, loss of coordination, tremors, confusion, seizures and coma. Clean energy ? .. No, I don't think so !
This isn't for me or my family.
that’s a myth. resource for making the batteries seem high judging by the price, although lately prices of ICE cars went so high up that now they don’t have the advantage of lower amount of resources. A few years ago you could buy a decent new car for less than 20k some were even like 12k.
Lithium is actually a byproduct of some hydroelectric powerplants. The lithium valley in California will be extracting as much lithium as the entire world right now. All of this lithium is from the brine of hydroelectric powerplants.
Way to listen to anything you hear on TH-cam without doing some research.
Maybe do a video about charging issues in north america? ie Chicago winter '24.
Build all the cars you want, if they can"t be charged reliably and quickly we are all fucked.
Yeah, too sad America can't build infrastructure. Over here in Europe, I'm driving an EV for 7 years and for 306kk without any problems.
please add a low pass filter to your audio, this video has a super annoying sub 80hz bass boom throughout the video that subwoofers are picking up that def should not be there. Might be a microphone issue, but adding a low pass filter to your audio recording would prevent that from slipping into your audio track
I always thought it was the other way around, that a high pass filter blocked low frequencies 🤔
Transportation: 29% subdivided how? Does the new EV rule apply to transportation across the board? My dislike for gibberish stats just hit the gong. What about it Viking? How about parsing this more honestly
Oh dont forget the destroying the environment part with the lithium ion mines that power evs, oh wait that affects your bias opinion.
Not even close to the effects of petroleum production and combustion.
@@Simon-dm8zv your right, even worse you know cause of the slave labor used to get and the fact that those mines that are a mile wide and a mile deep are lithium ion mines, oh yeah so green
@@Simon-dm8zv your right, it's even worse especially with the mile wide and mile deep lithium ion mines that are crawling with slave labor, yeah quit your damn hypocritical self righteousness and stop being a slave to the trend.
It doesn't really matter, in 2030 95% of all new cars will be electric no matter what they governments do, with or without subsidies
If it wasn't for Tesla moving to make more affordable EV cars and potential FSD this would crush the little guy in America.
Elon is saving us in a big way.
Electric vehicles suck.
They don’t
@Simon-dm8zv How come nobody's buying? The CEO of Hertz just got fired for buying EV'S that nobody would rent. The House of Representatives recently passed the HR4468 The Choice in Automobile retail sales act that gives people the opportunity to buy whatever vehicle people want without it being forced down peoples throats. Studies have shown EV'S are worse for the environment. People can't afford them. People don't want them. They are not practical. They make almost no sense. Case closed.
I don't believe in the electric utopia i'm constantly being told is coming but for those that do i have a question. Do you think the USA,NATO and all the usual suspects will be fighting wars on battery power or do you believe that all wars will end once we're totally electrified ?
Battery power vehicles will be superior to gas powered vehicles.
You should go do an overnight test drive in a Tesla. Your mind will likely start changing pretty quickiy.
@@johnfurr6060 That's great John but it doesn't answer my question.
@@keithbennett1656 It does answer the question. Military vehicles will also be electric eventually.
@@Simon-dm8zv All military vehicles ?
Motorcycles,jeeps,personnel carriers,
trucks,lorries,tanks,aircraft,ships etc ?
@@keithbennett1656 Yes, the majority of these things. Aircraft and ships will keep relying on comubstion engines for a while - preferably burning synthetic fuels.
It all makes sense when you realise that EVs are just a temporary tool in order to prevent us travel with anything, anywhere!
How is that supposed to work? People cross the continent in EVs. It's 2024 dude. Superchargers exist.
@@incognitotorpedo42 You won’t be driving anywhere in 2027 and eat ze bugs, that’s how it works.
You can’t compare Europe to the US as you love to do. In Europe cars were built for most of the roads built by the Romans and for various reasons mass transit became a very well established system. In the US roads were built for the cars. Next to no real mass transport in most areas, and far more miles driven per year by drivers than in Europe. Regardless of so called regulations from agencies not constitutionally allowed to dictate, only the market will determine what people need to drive and want to drive. Makers always respond to their markets. The technology currently in EV’s is where Windows 3.1 was in 1992. Millions more chargers must be added also. Millions not thousands. Power generation must drastically expand, how? Costs must drastically shrink to allow average people to afford them and the overall EV vehicle life cycle must be extended well beyond 10 years. Most current EV’s will be off the roads after 10 to 12 years. The average US car is 10 years old today and driving daily. Many last 20 years outside of the rust belt areas. A final point also is that who knows what future energy solutions will be perfected over the next few years. Who says that EV’s are the long term solution. Nobody should. How’s that VCR, CD, Cable TV subscription, or LAN Line phone working? People aren’t stupid enough to think that Government knows how to solve anything. At least not in the US. You can speak for Australia and perhaps the EU.
We need to give credit for this EV legislation to the, otherwise clearly evil, Chinese government. They started this (now wordlwide) specific health protection trend for their citizens. EU and USA are just following without giving credit to the origins.
Ford and GM make EV'S in Mexico. WTF
They make ice vehicles in Mexico and Canada currently
Even if EV become cheaper people don’t want them
Not true… I have one and my neighbor has two! Nobody wants them? Weird comment…
@@skepticalmechanic Nobody I know will ever touch one.
@@785boats This comment will not age well.
@@785boatsdo you live at sea?🐟
@@malcolmrickarby2313 No. What a strange thing to ask. Why?
If Trump returns to the White House. It could end evs in the US.
If Trump returns to the White House it could end the USA
@TB-up4xi No, the US can survive trump. Germany survived Hitler and is now a world leader again. We can survive Trump, but we will never be the same.
Of course the UAW wants to slow down on EV they don’t know how to make them
FJB, FJB, FJB, FEPA.
It's ironic that more impoverished countries, like South Africa, which desperately need clean energy, are going to be left behind out of the EV world.
People are living in choking conditions right next to busy highways, around coal powerstations that should have been mothballed years ago, and on coal mining tailings, and their health is suffering as a result. They are the unfortunate ones that have to make use of state clinics and hospitals, where you get sent home with Disprin for cancer because the medication has been stolen and sold, the machines are not functioning or have been stolen and sold, there is no budget for machines or medication or treatment, the staff are under qualified and under staffed or on strike because cheaper Cuban staff have been imported, or they are simply disinterested because there is no discipline or accountability.
There's no light at the end of our tunnel, excuse the pun, our power provider has been corrupted into virtual bankruptcy, and we are living with daily rolling blackouts so we can barely make a cup of tea yet alone power EV's.
The government is still trying to work out how to tax those going off the grid with solar panels, inverters and batteries, since they rely on hefty fuel levies to line their pockets.
It's been estimated that all those who can afford it, will be off the grid totally in a year or 2, leaving only those who cant, or won't pay for power. So they predict the hell is going to be taxed out of solar.
Tesla has confirmed they are not planning on supplying here (even more ironic since this is Elon's birthplace), besides private imports, so we presume we are getting Chinese imports. The driving here is hysterically unsafe, we are averaging 2 accidents a night in our small suburb, if we see an EV, we are going to steer clear, we are presuming batteries are going to be less safe in Chinese cars.
People are delusional, currently less than 1% of vehicles on road are EV's. Yes 1% and we already have grid and charger issues.
Not gonna happen
No tough new rules from the EPA or are you denying that the transition is already underway?😊
True
@@malcolmrickarby2313the only transition that i have witnessed in the last 30 yrs, is from intelligence to stupidity. Feel free to include yourself.
Keep your head in the sand 😂
Maybe in Europe and China.
The only EVs that's selling in American are #Tesla, let's be honest.
Both GM and Ford have placed their aspiration of building battery factories in America on hold.
And both companies are ramping up hybrids and putting EVs on the back burner because they can't make a good EV. Ford Lightnings and MACH-E are sitting on the dealership lots. No one wants to buy their Trash.
Stellantis decent EVs are astronomical in price.
EPA has set tough rules in the past, just to have their rules trampled over.
All oil subsidies should be stopped.
Ford & GM should stop receiving their annual multi billion grants (gifts).
GM & Ford should be made to pay back their loans instead of paying dividends to their shareholders.
But sadly Biden is on their payroll so that will never happen.
EV subsidies are the reason I didn't buy an EV. We had massive price drops announced for when they ended and when they got extended it showed me the incentives are going right to the manufacturer and that evs are not good enough on their own and EVs are only for people making over $75K, so not for half of population at least
I wouldn't believe any study on the health effects of car exhaust. These studies can be constructed to give any result the sponsors want.
I like electric cars, but I do not like UNELECTED bureaucrats making laws. This will not be the first (or sadly, the last) time the EPA has overstepped it's authority. A few years ago it claimed that any place that had standing water belonged to the government and was subject to EPA regulation. This EPA mandate is that level of power grab. It will be struck down, either in the courts or by Congress. Or by the fact that people in the coldest part of the US, which is significant, simply won't buy electric cars as they do not work in cold weather. That might change in the coming years, and I hope it does, but planned economies never work. And that's what the Biden admin is...communist power hungry un-elected government workers.
Congress can easily step in at any time and reign in the EPA, but they don’t because they are are responsible to ALL the people not just the special interests. Remember “Love Canal”? That toxic dump in nearby NY? The entire community suffered its effects and there are many other examples. So just get rid of the EPA because you don’t understand and cannot do long term scientific studies of people suffering cancers and high death rates? Due mostly to pollution?
You now have a republican majority in congress for the last; what, year and a half? And what have they done? Nothing basically.
Yes, I want electric cars. Yes, I own Tesla stock. But I don't agree with forcing people to change, and it is using force if you jail people if they don't pay your fines. President Trump is not going to put up with this, and I agree with him.
You don’t think lowering CO2 emissions should be mandatory?
Don’t forget California laws about EV’s that ten other states follow.
Cost will be lower for EV’s so this will not matter.
Hey lay off Trump. I have been a loyal fan of yours for a year or more, and you are one of my favorite websites.
But stop bashing Trump. Just stop. Thanks, keep up the good work. But just stop. 😎
It wont help here, no one wants these cars and there
Are way to many Issue with these cars...
My ev's been great, and has had zero problems.
Chicago Freeze :
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@@davidrandall2742my 22 yr old honda has had no issues
@@Markcain268 -- I didn't extrapolate from my anecdotal experience, you did. Why did you do that?
We, my wife&myself, are planning to have another child, probably 2025🎉🎉🎉
The only thing that needs to be done is to remove oil subsidies. You do that and people start paying $8-$10 per gallon of gas and people will flock to EV'... oh wait. there aren't actually enough EV's yet.
There really isn't anything to do, but let it play out. We bought a Model 3 last year for my wife and a mmodelel Y for me this year. There is zero chance we go back to ICE. The Teslas are hands down the best cars either of us has ever owned.
You bought 2 teslas- how stupid
@@markmiller8903 LOL over 9 out of 10 Tesla owners in Australia buy another EV, 8 out of 10 buy another Tesla - highest brand loyalty of any car brand that has ever existed.
I have owned 42 ICE cars from budget Japanese (Corolla) and Korean (Getz) to prestige German (Audi SQ7 and AMG C63) and US and Australian muscle cars ('69 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi and 427 Walkinshaw) - after owning just 2 EVs I can confidently say that I never want to buy an ICE vehicle again in my lifetime - not that I dislike the cars I have owned - they were great for their time - but their time is over...
Related to mandated vehicle electrification, two interesting points are worth mentioning. First, there are three major law firms in Washington which lobby our EPA to impose EV-related legislation. As it turns out, these law firms are partly funded by the CCP which undoubtedly intends to steer (no pun intended) new environmental legislation towards dependence on China (facilitating a huge demand for Lithium-Ion batteries and eventually Chinese EVs as well). Second, despite Americans being at times accused of arrogance, actually China's CCP clearly displays this characteristic. The CCP's ideology is based largely on their philosophy that "China is operating under a mandate from heaven to rule the world ... and not only does China have the right but also an obligation to do so". This is definitely an arrogant perspective and demonstrates a complete disregard for any other country's national sovereignty. In addition, China claims Beijing to be the world's "center of thought". Yet, if this were true then why does China continually resort to hacking our government/business computer systems (to gain valuable information and disrupt society), infiltrating social media (in efforts to influence American citizens), and outright plagiarizing products (such as Rolex watches, Gucci handbags, Lego kits, military equipment, numerous automotive designs, and even Disney cartoon characters)? Sadly, the vast majority of Americans refuse to recognize that China is engaged in what they actually call "the 100 year war" to gain global control using a wide variety of covert and overt tactics ...
That is interesting, can you name these firms and how much money they get from China?
Trump was right all along about Communist China.
Biden has taken Chinese bribe money.
The latest conspiracy theory nonsense. Although there is a large grain of Truth in this that China is not to be trusted and they're more than happy to take all our intellectual property.
They seem to have adopted the Americans superiority complex. At least the CCP aren’t as crazy as the GOP!😊
@@douglaswatt1582
Before placing conspiracy theory labels on things ... do the research and enlightenment shall follow. The last five years of global health destruction and devastation caused almost entirely by China should be waking people up ... Fiction often is sold as Truth and actual Truth gets quickly labeled as Conspiracy Theory. However, once enough time passes, the honest truth makes itself known. Dig beyond the surface ...
I'm so looking forward to ice vehicles being banned in cities, easing noise and air pollution.
@@Markcain268 and what exactly is the problem?