Why the Supposed Conflict Between Science and Religion is Tragic Nonsense
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2022
- Friends, in a very real sense, the modern physical sciences came from religion. The great founders of science-Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Descartes, etc.-were, without exception, trained in ecclesially sponsored schools and universities. It was under the aegis of the church that they took in their physics, their astronomy, and their mathematics. More specifically, they learned in those institutions two essentially theological truths necessary for the emergence of the experimental sciences-namely, that the universe is not God and that the universe, in every nook and cranny, is marked by intelligibility. If nature were divine-as indeed it is considered to be in many religions, philosophies, and mysticisms-then it could never be an apt subject for observation, analysis, and experimentation. And if nature were simply chaotic, void of form, it would never yield up the harmonies and patterned intelligibilities that scientists readily seek. When these two truths, which are both a function of the doctrine of creation, obtain, the sciences can get underway.
I might especially urge Catholic scientists today to talk to young people about this issue. Tell them why the supposed warfare between religion and science is in fact a delusion, and even more importantly, show them how you have reconciled them in your own life. We simply cannot allow this silly justification for disaffiliation to stand.
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I read an online comment saying Science is just a study of God's creation, and I couldn't agree more.
Man is the one who created God not the other away around
My mother was a theologian, dad philosopher. Very catholic family. Science, chemistry, experiments, all around me. Never a conflict. Thanks Bishop Barron.
Right-on!
Thank you for saying so!!! Scientist all 4 of us here... God helps us to see the truths of the universe so much more fully.
Hello Bishop. I have been a Lutheran for most of my life. Only 20 right now. I love your sermons and I have learned a lot listening to them. I actually just purchased your book on Catholicism. Not sure if I will become Catholic, but regardless I am going to continue learning about God. Thank you!
God bless you, Dean.
Try and watch the 10-part series as well.
Fellow Lutheran here as well. Greatly appreciate some of the work of Bishop Barron.
Yes, Catholic, ok but be careful accepting the current either nonsense or heresies coming out of Vatican now.
@@paulfaigl8329 Do you have any examples?
Biology major and Pre-Med student here. Always love to bring up George Mendel and Georges LeMaitre!
Father Barron, I am a Shia Muslim and I have great respect and admiration for the Catholic Church and Christianity in general. One of the reasons for my highly positive view of Christian faith is specifically its friendly attitude to science, reason, and philosophy. It should be noted that almost all the stars of the Scientific Revolution were devout Christians.
All the best,
Tamer
Don't discount Islam's contributions to science, astronomy, and medicine! A lot of texts would have been lost had the not been translated by the Islamic workd
I love science(Physics, Biology, Astronomy etc) and the more I understood it, the the more I appreciated GOD.
That is so true! I have a PhD in biochemistry and trust me, I love God and it is impossible to have science without God.
@@diegoavellanedamatteo9090 maybe..but just as maybe not..how can you draw your conclusion.
@johnpro2, thank you so much for the response to my previous comment. I will try to be as brief as possible hahaha.
To defend my conclusion, I’m going to refer to St. Thomas Aquinas’ arguments for the existence of God. I will also use scientific laws and theories.
To begin, we can both agree with the law of conservation of mass, postulated in the late 1800s by Lavoisier: matter cannot be created nor destroyed. From this law, we can also conclude that matter cannot be created by itself. Therefore, as we are corporeal beings made out of matter, we cannot create matter. Therefore, something, non corporeal, or at least not limited by matter, must have created matter.
All the matter in the universe was condensed in an extremely highly dense material in the beginning of our universe. This is the Big Bang theory postulated by a catholic actually. This dense material exploded and expanded quickly than the speed of light to form our expanding universe. Now the question is, who created that dense material, thus who created all matter?
People may say, well, maybe it comes from a black hole from another older, already existing universe. Then you go back and say, who created that older universe, and so on until you get to an eternal first “mover” as St. Thomas Aquinas describes it.
One of his arguments is the first mover. This is how it works: there are two things; the mover and what is moved. The mover is in act on the what is moved and what is moved is on potency to the mover. As what is moved is acted on by the mover, then what is moved is subject to motion and therefore changes to its being. As we apply this principle to the beginning of the universe argument and we go back and back and back, we will find that there has to be an eternal first mover that can set everything in motion. Additionally, the mover is “more perfect” than what is moved, or what is in act is more perfect than what is in potency. Therefore, as God is the first eternal mover, He is pure act, thus He is perfect. From His perfection we can conclude that everything that He creates is in perfect order in our universe, and that perfect order can be seen by the way the universe works and the natural laws that humans have been able to postulate. All that exists thanks to God putting everything in motion. We can then conclude that God’s existence is necessary. Because as the first mover, if you remove the eternal pure act being, then nothing can exist, but we know things exist, so God exists. So science exists thanks to God Himself as everything comes from the first mover.
The giver is not the gift. I always told my Grade 7 Science class that Science is God's gift to us to understand the world we live in. He loves us so much that He desires for us to live in harmony with His other creation. My very humble understanding of science and religion relationship has been enriched by this talk Bishop Barron. Thank you so much.
Does separation of church and state mean anything to you.
Grew up in a home where science *and* religion were highly valued. It was a surprise when I grew up to learn how much hostility popular scientists had against religion. And how prejudiced they were against believers.
Me as well! I grew up in Europe in a Catholic home, was always interested and studied science, and never heard of any such clash. Only after moving to English-speaking countries (first South Africa, the New Zealand) did I experience this conflict. But I believe that it is also more widespread now in Europe. Probably aggravated by the migration of people of Muslim faith.
@@hansweichselbaum2534 I never thought of the English-speaking cultural aspect of it 🤔. In the USA, we have a small group of Fundamentalist Protestants who are resistant to the idea of evolution and also adhere to Young Earth belief, but outside of that they accept all the other scientific principles.
But popular scientists make MUCH of these people and paint all believers with the same stereotype 🤷♀️.
@@hansweichselbaum2534 Most English speaking countries are protestant!!! This madness started in 1520 when a madman set on a revolt against God. This madness followed suit to this day!!! Freemasonry communism, etc. Sprang up from the revolt that deformed everything!!!
@@daisyviluck7932 protestantism is an unreined horse with no rider nor head!!! No unity, no authority!!!chaos and decay!!! Cafeteria church is the US system
@@daisyviluck7932 Yes I think these same fundamentalist also believe that the dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark. There is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to begin. I can't even with that so called museum in Kentucky 😵💫
I never heard of any scientist who discovered something about our universe, or had his or hers theories proven, to say they created what they discovered. The discoveries are just that...discoveries... of what God had already created from the beginning. Science is just way of mankind learning about how God put it all together and has set it in motion. God be praised!
Excellent talk. I never really saw a conflict between science and religion because I grew up with it in my own home. My mom was a lab technician in an hematology lab (of a hospital owned and run by an Order of Catholic Nuns. Then, on her time off, she taught RCIA classes (introduction classes for people who want to enter the Church). One time I asked her how she reconciled the two. Her answer was by doing her work running blood panels and working on blood bank inventory, she was helping Doctors heal their patients.
IIRC, Louis Pasteur was a Third Order Secular Franciscan.
This is nice to hear. I'm a lab technician in the biochemistry department and I do so love serving my church when i can. They need not be separate as both are part of my life.
I strongly agree with this video and your thesis. I was a professor at a Catholic university for 37 yrs. I taught Biology courses, including Evolution. In 2009, the university and the founding Benedictine abbey paid to send me to attend an international conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome on the topic of science (specifically evolution) and the Catholic Church. We had cardinals, priests, theologians, biological scientists, and social scientists from all over the world in attendance. We had presentations and discussions. We all agreed that science and the teachings of the Catholic Church are not in conflict. Rather, we need both to fully understand reality. (Harvard Evolutionary Biologist Stephen Jay Gould, in his book 'Rocks of Ages, Science and Religion in the Fullness of Life', referred to science and religion as two separate and non-conflicting 'magisteria' with different methodologies and addressing different types of questions.) From my observations and dealings with Protestants, it seems to me that the Catholic Church is probably the Christian 'denomination' that most strongly accepts, endorses, and supports science. It makes me proud to be a Catholic. This is something I always taught my students. A 'funny' incident: I once mentioned to someone in discussion that I taught Evolution and was a professor at a Catholic university. This person almost whispered when he asked "Do they know about it?" Unfortunately, I think this reflects the mistaken idea many people have about science and The Church.
So you think we came from apes?
Bishop you are a God send! Literally you give rise to well thought out answers to the questions of the young. My Faith formation class will love this!!! God bless you and keep as you help build up His church!
I blame Draper and White for starting this myth and men like Tyson, Sagan, Dawkins, Carrol, Hawking, Cox, and others for promoting this myth.
Precisely correct. And Draper's and White's motivations for creating this myth were grounded in personal animosities and grievances, not is anything scientific or rational.
Neil Degrasse Tyson hasn't really promoted this myth, he has spoken at length about the great scientific work of Catholics which includes his reasoning for continuing to use BC and AD.
@@christianwright8969 1st episode of the new Cosmos show in 2014 he promoted the myth of Bruno
Bishop Robert Barron: *God is not a thing, or an item, or an event, or a relationship, within the empirically verifiable universe; rather God is the reason why there should be a universe at all☆*
Absolutely... Our God is great .... 🤗
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Scientism is self defeating: If the only truth is obtained via the scientific method, then how do you use the scientific method to come to that conclusion?
Facts
LOL
This is so well said! One thing that seems to add to the polarization of today’s society is you have a lot of scientists being anti-religion and a lot of Christians being anti-science. I’ve never understood either view. It’s been driving me crazy!
Many Christians are not prepared to distort the Bible to fit the science and no reputable scientist is going to distort the science to fit the Bible.
No, “a lot of Christians” are not anti-science. There are some protestant groups who are resistant to the idea of evolution. Unfortunately, the popular scientists of today have people thinking Christianity is anti-science. Because blah blah Galileo
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@@glynissequeira5544 I don't think that Bishop Barron is in the habit of deleting posts that challenge his theology. Perhaps someone has withdrawn their post. Can you read mine? Addendum: Having checked on another account it is my posts that are being deleted.
@@markushill8639 the "big bang theory "was created by a scientific Catholic priest, to explain God!!!! Joseph Lemaitre, a friend of Albert Einstein's!!! The atheist ' scientists' have stolen from us!!!
Thank you Bishop Barron. I’m sharing this with my daughter, a very smart woman, however she has become very anti-science. She believes science denies God so she denies science! Smh, no talking to her.
She is not Catholic & has the typical either/or view. I converted & embraced the beauty of the both/and.
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Another Jewel by Bishop Barron. Grateful.God bless you.
Bishop Barron, this is one of the most important videos I have ever watched as you expose scientism. I´m a chemist myself and many of my colleagues at university were and likely are hardcore atheists though science shows that there are too many contradictions (light being a wave and a particle, for example) for it being everything that exists. I love chemistry, but science is not my religion. Kind regards from Europe !
This is like taking a metal director and keep searching and searching and when you find nothing, you come to the conclusion that there's no wood in the ground 😅
This is really a tragic nonsense
God bless everyone ✝️✝️
Religion invented Science .Saying one contradicts the other is like saying a Table contradicts the Carpenter .
Your discourse, bishop, is grounded in such clarity of the basic distinctions which form the algorithm of human knowledge that one can deduce two conclusions:
1: Scientism has no scientific basis upon which it is or can be positively demonstrated, hence scientifically demonstrable.
2: There is something rather than nothing, and the knowability of each is preceded by its inherent intelligibility.
Levis Shalom
A rational, concise and truthful explanation of the reality of our existence.
Thats exactly what its not, there is no reality in what barron is saying, we don't know that a creator is real, that question is unanswered either way, at best its an opinion at worst its absolute rubbish
Amen 🙏❤️ Thank you 👏
God bless you Bishop Barron 🕊️🙏
You are correct when you say the decline in the liberal arts has led to scientism. When I was in high school in the 60's we read literature that taught metaphor, allegory, and symbolism . Many schools today, including college general studies include works that, while providing social and historical commentary, are rooted in reality and liberalism. Given that, is it any wonder that younger people are unable to understand the bible?
Brilliant. The conflict was invented by the process that begun with the reformation. Politics. Money, Power, etc., as always . The problems that Galileo had, were caused by personal diferences between him and some Cardinals. One of them was an old friend that later became Pope. Galileo had not enough scientific evidence and did not accept to teach his views as a theory, like in the case of Copernicus. Galileo was never tortured or thrown into jail like enemies of the Church like to say. At most he was confined to housearrest in a palace. These people are the same ones that have established as certain truths, the dark medieval age, the horrendous monasteries, the spanish inquisition, etc. that are nowdays accepted world over.
Thank you Bishop Barron. The simple examples you used are ones we can all use to help defeat this belief that there is a conflict between Religion & Science and that there must be a winner and loser in this conflict.
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History is a form of epistemology (how we know) that is not subject to empirical verification by the scientific method. It happened once and does not repeat.
"Logos" is key and always has been. I often recommend your work to my friends as a great example of a modern Church figure who understands the mind and culture of the younger people of our time (I am happy to say it has resonated with quite a few of them). Thanks for all of your work, God bless.
Beautifully said Bishop Barron! Thank you for shedding the light of Christ upon these narratives that drive people away from God. Beautifully answered and beautifully explained!
Are you an anime fan?
@@pootprancia1956 I’m my younger years I haven’t really watched any in a few years actually
@@miguelflores8649 I see. I am still into One Piece and few others that I have not finished. But I plan that it will be the last. I hope I can do it.
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@@oliverclark5604 Well perhaps it all goes over your head. Maybe it’s too intellectual for you friend given you don’t even know the difference between “certainty” and “uncertainty”. Either way, good luck with that field of thought!
Thank you so much Bishop!!
That was great. I saws a documentary on this many years ago and a theologian put it well. He talked about how the Enlightenment and the Reformation sort of reversed the roles for science and religion. Prior to those events, the Church tended to look at the big picture while science took more of an atomic approach. The Reformation placed a greater focus on the individual and their personal relationship with God and when Galileo pointed his telescope up to the night sky science started placing more emphasis on cosmology, the big picture if you will, and people from both camps were uncomfortable with the new paradigm.
As for today's culture, I see the drift toward scientism as a byproduct of the age of the expert, at least in this country. Most of us bought into the myth that experts know best so they were allowed to take control of many facets of life. In the 1950s, Sputnik scared everyone into demanding that the education system become more STEM-centric and Liberal Arts was a casualty of that dynamic. But Liberal Arts programs were also hijacked by people with a left-leaning agenda and a great number have evolved into little more than indoctrination weigh-stations. I have a Liberal Arts degree but I was an undergrad more than 30 years ago and attended a university that, at that time anyway, was a bit more conservative. Still, even then, there were several professors on staff who were self-identified Marxists and other who were pretty close to that camp. I heard the slurs against traditional values, especially the military and organized religion, but it wasn't as flagrant as it is today.
I agree with the Bishop. There is no reason for any conflict to exist. Scientism flourishes because we have a natural desire to worship something and if it's not God; why not science?. The experts promote it because it enriches them and if they are encouraged to dismiss God in order to stay a member in good-standing with the expert class that is what a lot of them will do. At the end of the day it always comes back to the same thing, self-interest. That's my take on it anyway. Great video. I'm going to bookmark this one.
Amazing comment, thank you for your personal insight!
The ' reformation is a misnomer. It did not reform anything!!Luther's revolt deformed everything!!! Protestants alone are scattered on more than 70,000 sects in the USA.
Do you happen to remember the name of the documentary?
@@meisterjoshi4523 No, but I have thought of that particular take on things often because it seemed to crystalize the matter at least for me. I believe it was on A&E or perhaps Discovery before those channels abandoned their original intent(s). It was quite some time ago, I wish I could refer you to it but as with other things my memory is not as sharp as it once was.
Simple and brilliant, as always. Thank you, Bishop Barron.
Awesome, heartfelt! Thank you, Bishop Barron, for your daily love from the pulpit. Peace.
Hello, Mr. Clark.
We both watch Bishop Barron’s videos. I watch them for so many reasons.
One reason is because I love what he shares about God. I love his diligence. His diligence makes me happy.
Is this a reason you watch them? Peace. Barbara
TY, Bishop Barron. Delighted to spread your thoughts and words describing true clarity, unity and harmony on this subject rather than passively allow unfortunate misunderstanding and consequent discord to fester.
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The author/book analogy is a very good one, Bishop. The picture of Msgr. Lemaître w/ Einstein is a great caption, as well. Thank you!
Galileo's case was personal. He personally attacked the pope and priests, this had nothing to do with the theory that was already taught by Copernicus 100 years before Galileo.
I always like to remind people that:
1. The church funded Copernicus and Kepler, who also posited a heliocentric model, without issue (The model was no issue in the church's eyes)
2. The church continued to fund Galileo's research in other avenues, several of which provided the needed data to support the heliocentric model
3. Both Galileo and his daughters (one of which joined a religious order) remained Catholic until death, without further issue
4. Even today, many scientist's models are not affirmed because of a lack of evidence in support of the model. The church was justified in saying Galileo needed more evidence
@@TheMadman911xx Freeemasonry has distorted history in order to destroy the Church!!!
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Thank you for your explanation Bishop
I agree 100%. Thank you very much for another video packed with insight and wisdom.
simply wonderful Bishop !! as always!!
Thank you for adressing this!
I am a Salmon Biologist, and I just received the Sacrament of Confirmation this past Sunday! We collect fish scales and otolith (inner ear bone) samples which give us insight into the life histories of salmonid. I have learned that God leaves little clues in seemingly insignificant places so that we may better understand His creation and come to love Him more. Thanks be to God!
Thank you so much bishop I've been following you on TH-cam and am always grateful because I learned a lot just by listening to your talks 😇💖🙏.
So proud to call myself a Catholic and have wise, learned men like Bishop Barron represent my faith. Before converting to Catholicism, I grew up with preachers that told me to "just take it on faith". It's sad that in this 21st century many think that SCIENCE itself is their religion (scientism). How many times in the last few years have we been told that we have to "trust the science."
I totally agree, good video. God bless!
Very good Bishop, thank you
So edifying!!! Wow...Thanks from the phils, Bp B
Very well said. Thank you Bishop Barron.
Well done. Admitting our mistakes makes us stronger. Focus on the positive. Your second point is the most powerful.
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Advancing knowledge is precisely why we believe in God. We are part of God’s masterful creation and science is merely a tool by which we document and understand God’s grandeur. Truth in the Roman Catholic sense is always scientific and that’s why true believers grasp that religion is engaged in a deeper enquiry than science. Great video for Lenten reflections, reminding us why Catholicism is the world’s greatest treasure!
Really appreciate this video.
That was a very well thought out response to a current religious problem. Well done, sir 👍❤.
I am both a Catholic and a physicist and the more I study science the more I see the hand of God.
Thank you Bishop!
God Bless Bishop Barron 🙏
Thank you Fr .
Thanks for the great explanation of Science!!
Brilliant video, thanks, Bishop.
I am a scientist. Science confirms God!
@@downenout8705 Did you watch the video? Perhaps there is a way, via the scientific method, to confirm the resurrection of Christ; but again, perhaps not: the scientific method cannot observe and analyze that which is not within the universe.
@@downenout8705 It's called a miracle-it's a special exception to the natural order that God established, and can only be accepted in faith. The regularities, intelligibility, and apparent goal-directedness of nature on the other hand are obvious to everyone, and do seem to point to God.
@@downenout8705 Because, as far as we know, no one has been resurrected after death except for the handful of people resurrected by Christ and, of course, Christ Himself. If it were to happen again, we'd observe it.
@@lukeabbott3591 Now if you could cite a peer reviewed and published scientific paper on any scientific subject that concludes that a god was involved, then I will take your un-evidenced assertion of god driven "regularities intelligibility and apparent goal directedness of nature" a lot more seriously.
@@downenout8705 I'll answer that question if you first answer this practical question:the science of Geometry says that " An ellipse does need 2 foci to be traced". Now, The earth's orbit ellipse does have the sun in one focus, and the other 'is empty'. Question: what does keep the earth rotating and translating throughout millenia in a regular and steady way? What is it that pulls her steadily?? It would be easy if the orbit was a circumference...
I grew up going to Church every Sunday and reading Scientific American with my Dad. I always knew this was contrived argument
I don't know how anyone could study nature and not believe in God.
Fred Hoyle, the brilliant British astrophysicist was a lifelong atheist, but he could not deny what he saw in nature. He said something like 'The whole universe looks like a put up job. It's as if some super intellect tinkered not only with the constants of physics, but of chemistry and biology too'.
Science confirms God
Bishop Barron's discussion on the relationship between science and religion speaks to his intellligence and vast experience!
I love you, father! You are my favorite American priest!
Loved your words!
For anyone who is an atheist or just a skeptic in the existence of God and the truth contained within the Bible - I would invite you to explore the Shroud of Turin. The science on this relic (I realize it has not yet been accepted as a relic by the Church) goes deep and we've barely scratched the surface. I am thoroughly convinced that the Shroud of Turin is a time capsule that God intended for us to open 2000 years later for the evidence of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.
Thank you .
Galileo brought a lot of stuff on himself by being a particularly unpleasant person who insulted his fellow scientists and left a pope feeling betrayed. Not to mention his insistance on teaching as fact things that wouldn't be proven until Newton. He was never in danger of losing his life, but he would have been more comfortable if he'd lost his arrogance.
Just getting our blood to exchange its carbon dioxide waste for oxygen, involves physical/organic chemical reactions that
when I was studying them, made me wonder why any sensible student of university-level hard science could not believe that God was behind all this. (And yes, I studied organic evolution!) My graduate work in this area only reinforced my faith in God.
Thank you Bishop Barron ❤
Loved this!
Comment for the algorithm. This is great stuff as always!
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Bishop Barron, a book I found very interesting is Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis S Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project. His analysis ,staunchly pro-science and pro-Christian, clearly demonstrates how science and religion are not in conflict. Unfortunately this myth was strengthened by fundamentalist Christians who support literal biblical interpretation and thus condemn evolution and the big bang theory. Most Christians do not support this view; as Pope John Paul II said in his encyclical Fides et Ratio, faith and reason are like the two wings of a bird. You need both. Faith without reason devolves into superstition; reason without faith leads to nihilism (the philosophy of nothingness).
Hello Bishop. I had to listen to what you were saying with my eyes closed, processing every detail. I think that without science our Catholic Faith is lost. Thank you for your thoughts. There were also some great Saints that were both priests or nuns and scientists.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. All science can do is make note of this law, empirically confirm the law, but it's one of those God-given laws that can't be changed, no matter how much science tries. Science just describes the universe, doesn't create it. It's an exciting field, but it is limited.
It could be paraphrased this way.
"Nothing else of what is in existence can be created!!!! Human science ecplsins cause and effect somehow, however, it does not explain origin or genesis!!
Lets talk about Galileo Galilei- did You know, that there was no such thing as a conflict between the Catholic Church and him? One of the most important bishops of this time wrote a foreword to his most famous book. So he couldn’t be in conflict so much… His conflict was between him and his colleagues, who were jealous and felt insulted by Galileo because of his sheer arrogance.
Bishop, I wholeheartedly agree with you and the point on bringing back Liberal Arts into the system. However, Liberal arts will have to shake off the "post-modern" gravity that has consumed it. Post-modernism has a place, but it should not kick everything out of the liberal arts nest.
In India we also hear Giordano Bruno name along with Galeleo as Criticism against Church
Bishop Barron the list of catholic scientists is awesome. I was also under the impression that Galileo remained a faithful catholic even amidst the personal controversy with the between him and the pope. If you have any information on Galileo’s personal position with the church to bring clarity I would appreciate it. Blessings Mike.
I'm Italian but living in Malawi in a Catholic mission.
A lot of doctors in Italy (and elsewhere) claiming to be Catholic, they believed a very unscientific way to handle the pandemic.
The result is a lot of unnecessary sufference and death.
I grew up in a family of scientist and free thinkers.
I honestly felt abandoned by my mother.
The Catholic church.
I love her nevertheless.
But the pain is still there.
Maybe I don't know how to forgive.
Thank you bishop for your deep analysis.
Evolutionary biology is limited & i m always open
Indeed!
God bless you Bishop Barron! I really like to listen your talks as most of them elevates my soul. Although, this time I would like to share some thoughts about this very important topic. First of all, I think we left out the most important name from the list who is one of the biggest reason why we have a growing conflict between religion and science. Darwin's evolution theory is advertised as a proven thing (yet we know it is just a theory as it cannot be proven) and therefore most of the biologists share the faith that living organisms were not created by God, but instead it is the result of spontaneous generation from the inorganic things (abiogenesis). They say this, even if we all know, that it is not proven so they handle and teach it as a fact. In fact (pun intended), as we gain more experience in this field, the things are getting more and more complicated and shows us the opposite: living things cannot be created spontaneously. If we believe and claim that God created the world there is a huge conflict here and I think this is the main problem that is fed by scientism per se. I strongly believe that God created the world. He is indeed transcendent (or spiritual rather) so God cannot be examined, I cannot argue that, nevertheless the creation itself can be examined. Even if we cannot prove the method of the creation, there is the Young Earth Creationism (YEC) theory/science that puts the Bible to the center and create a scientific method about the creation. Examine the things around us by scientific methods based on the Bible (God's word). I strongly believe that it should be allowed to be taught at schools evolutionism + YEC (next to each other) so as to show that each of them is a possibility and based on the Bible the young believers can consider to choose to believe and practice YEC instead. As I mentioned, even if the current YEC theories were falsified, this would be the way how science grow stronger: with trying to refine along constructive (no Straw man) criticism, and advancing the studies/experiments in this way. I claim here that YEC is indeed a scientific method, although it is considered and labelled as unscientific by evolutionists mainly due to the fact that ppl think religion (Bible) cannot be the foundation/base of any kind of experimental/practical science which is ultimately wrong as the evolution theory itself bases on the faith that things created and therefore can be explained without God -> Atheism.
I am so grateful to the Dominican Sisters who thought me about Darwin and evolution in the early ‘60’s . They did not have a conflict with religion and science.
So the Dominican sisters believed in the theory that men were descendants of monkeys? That’s strange…
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Too bad Darwinian Theory is indeed at conflict with science 🤷♂️
Not to mention there’s a lot more to the Galileo incident than most give it credit for. Even if we grant it wasnt the church’s proudest moment it still wasn’t a one sided thing like most make it out.
What an amazing video
awesome.
Kepler and Copernicus - both practicing Christians. Kepler was a student of Theology. Copernicus' heliocentric theory was humbly submitted to the Holy See for review, as a courtesy to the Pope, who was favorably impressed. By the time Galileo came around, the political situation in Italy had changed.
The Gregorian University was founded not only to research theology, but also astronomy.
And Fr. Georges LeMaitre beat Edwin Hubble to the punch and first proposed an expanding universe.
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You are correct, sir , Fr. Lemaitre did propose an expanding universe, but he was the second person to do so. A Russian scientist named Alexander Friedmann was the first . Here's a very interesting fact. Einstein would not accept this idea even though his calculations supported it. So, he used a cosmological constant to support a static universe. I believe he held that view for years before stating that it was his worst blunder .Hubble and the Hubble telescope definitely helped to change his mind.
@@philkasouf256 Yes, Einstein originally supported a static universe model, and he had issues with quantum physics as well.
Thank You bishop Robert.
But can you add subtitles to your next videos?
I still learn English and I understand only 35% of your speech. Subtitles will be very helpful! Thanks!
Just a tip. You can turn on subtitles by clicking the “CC” within the videos settings!
@@StevenPanek It's auto-subtitles. They often make mistakes. It even worse than without subtitles....
@@GeraPhoto The auto subtitles are actually pretty good. I just watched a few minutes with them on, and they were perfect. They might be occasionally wrong, but you can have a lot more confidence in them
@@Luke-lt8ro well, I'm not convinced, but I'll try. Thanks guys)
But original subtitles would be much better!
@@GeraPhoto I get what you’re saying my friend. Hopefully they can include that into the original videos soon. God bless!
Bishop Barron, may I post this video on my video channel so that more people can watch. Because they cannot connect to TH-cam. May I ? Thank you！
Science and Religion are in contrast as far as Religion tries to make statements about the reality we are living in and is arguing for a history for which are no evidences. The concept of God on the other hand is outside of religion and thus you can make not statements about ist. Though Projects like the one of Wolfram digs deep into metaphysical questions and Religion has to arrange with those results.
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hi bishop!
God bless Bishop Barron!! 🙏🙏
I absolutely agree that there is no fundamental conflict between science and religion, and perhaps Catholicism is now the most articulate voice in this debate advocating that position. However, it sent a slight 'shudder down the spine' when Bishop Barron is so insistent that 'God is not the universe' and 'God is not in the universe' and hence science is free to 'place nature upon the dissection table'. I know that this is not the whole story in terms of his outlook, but given that Christianity is all about the divine entering the world, it would have been good to hear a few more caveats to this that go beyond 'intelligibility' and 'transcendence' and also talk about the immanence of the divine and the sacredness of creation, otherwise there is this 'horrible line of disenchantment' being drawn, that leads to the world we now live in that treats nature as 'standing reserve' as Heidegger puts it.
Someone told me that she do not go to Catholic church because of politics she sees on religious networks. Thanks Bishop
I see she is stupid!!! And I never saw her!!!
I wish you had mentioned Sir John Polkinghorne, Dr Paul Davies (has not committed to Faith but leaves the door ajar), Dr Francis Collins.
Hi Bishop. This topic greatly interests me and your reasoning is basically the same reasoning I have about science and religion.
Further to this, I would consider that scientific study is inherently religious in nature. It requires axiomatic positions on the universe which assume *at least* an arenic God exists (that is, a God who is the source of the rules for the behaviour of the universe). In their deliberately secular sounding way, scientists acknowledge this by believing the universe has a set of rules or patterns that it obeys and that careful study can reveal those patterns. Without the belief that there is underlying logic in everything around us, science can make no progress. The clue to this is that all of science is based around mathematics, and mathematics is based on logic. It is the language of creation and without mathematics we would not have science or technology.
Even beyond this, it is the worldview (an inherently religious position, which we all have) of the scientists doing the study that leads them to the questions that they study. We are all fundamentally religious and that things interest us enough to pursue understanding of them are an outflow of our unique religious perspective. The scientific process can be applied to an infinite number of questions and those questions and the answers to them can be used for good or ill. The worship of the output of scientists is idolatry. Integrating the output of scientists in a way that aligns with the divine purpose is good and true. Let's turn swords into ploughshares.
I heard your contingency argument.
Couldn't two things simultaneously cause each other? For example the ground causes a table to be held up, and the other side of the ground holds that side up via gravity.
If we look at the universe forces tend to cancel out and so it seems like each thing may simply be exchanging causes just as gravity causes both sides of the earth to hold each other up.
While on one hand, we have Scientism, two other problems causing the supposed conflict between Science and Religion is the conflicts between members of different religions (and especially religious persecution) and Religious Extremism. The latter is arguably more prominent in my country, especially amongst the elderly, where there is a profound disbelief in the sciences simply due to the misunderstanding that it is in conflict with religion, but also due to the misinterpretation of Scripture as literal. I know many Catholics who don't believe in the Big Bang Theory, not knowing it was formulated by a Catholic, and a priest at that, simply because they think that it's against Catholic teachings.
To be honest the Galileo and the Church affair is a perfect example of the contemporary view of science and logical positivism trumping over crazy and irrational views. It's just that the sides are exactly the inverse of what is commonly taught. Galileo was this weird dude spouting nonsensical theories with plenty of counterevidence. I recommend reading "Against Method" by Paul Feyerabend who explores this topic a lot more. And it's not like it's a good hill to die on anyway because it isn't really the case that heliocentrism is true and geocentrism is false. You can assume either one or the other and all it does is changes the calculations.