Hold Conditioning: Gun Dog Delivery Without Forced Fetch
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- Hold Conditioning, the process in which we fix a lot of retriever’s issues. Running off, dropping short, victory laps, blinking on birds, switching…the list goes on. Not to be confused with Force Fetch, the process of Hold Conditioning will get you the same results, a reliable and efficient delivery to hand without fail and without the need of force.
I’ve always been confused as to why so many people believe in the idea of connecting negative force, pressure, pain and fear with something that our dogs have inside of them naturally and is something that we ultimately want them to like. The retrieve for most dogs is fun and I think we should keep it that way.
By following the steps in this video you will realize how to produce a dog that will deliver to hand reliably any object you want them to. And a byproduct of working through the Hold Conditioning process will be the magnified trust, feel and connection you’re able to build with your dog. - บันเทิง
This channel is so underrated honestly why isn't it at 1m subs?
We sure wish it did! We have always said our following isn't big, but it is deep. Thank you for the support Erik!
Off topic..but the video quality, crispness, colors, light and shadows, and setting in a barn…is just beautiful! Like a Dutch Master painting!
Thanks for posting! Such a great video and is easy to follow on what to do and what not to do. Thanks for sharing!
Finally, a great video with a great narrator. Excellent footage. Thank you for posting this video
I like your style of getting the right result.
Love how this guy pauses and explain things properly imma subscribe
A very good teaching video, i enjoyed not just the technique but your understanding of each dogs temperament. You have a new subscriber..
Thank you for showing this process in such detail!
Glad it was helpful!
I just used this method on our LM who has not wanted to hold anything. We couldn't decide what method to go with, but this has been so amazing. I am so proud of her. She is holding all sorts of objects. Thank you so much!
I like what you’re doing. Don’t know why it took me so long to find this.
Nice approach, I love it. Thanks for Sharing... I'm right in it with my 7 m.o Lab and it's going smoothly!
Very good video. I'm learning the right way. Thank you very much keep up the good work
Just watched this with my 18mo GSP.
Very inspiring to see a GSP on the table and show the reality of patience it takes. Looking forward to starting our hold training now.
Fascinating video guys. Mesmeric at times. I’ve never seen this kind intense training to hold a retrieve before. Makes perfect sense to enable to move forward though. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I felt that miss, and I almost wanted you to call it and redirect, but she pulled it out. Loved that! Great work!
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I have a 7 month old Lab whom i have taken a different approach with by not getting on retrieving too early and have noticed from my previous labs his basic heel,sit and general focus is far better than i have achieved previously. I have recently given him a couple of Dummy ( sorry from the UK) or bumpers to retrieve and yes he spits them out!!This is by far the best process i have seen in correcting this issue and is explained brilliantly , know the 6 + weeks starts here !! thanks DBH . Dru from UK
That number two dog is awesome
Thank you for your knowledge my pups been doin great got her the same time you started Bella be good series it’s helped in so meny ways keep filming we’re watching
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Learned alot watching your videos. Thank you
Glad to hear it!
Great stuff!!
Hutch is a good lookin dog! Similarly, I have a high energy brittany and will be working on this method with him now that he is 14 months. And seeing you work with something other than a lab was very inspring.
I guess I thought this was force fetching. Now I’ll need to go find more videos. Thank you for this. Full of good repetition for someone like me.
So did I?
A very nice video, and you are a very good trainer. You are so calm and easy-going. You work the dogs so well. I will be getting my third lab soon. And I want to train this one more then my last ones. I like the hunting skills just to work my dog. Watching you work I am getting so stoked to train my new dog. When you were holding there head up, I felt my head lifting up too.... I will be watching all I can of your videos. Thank you for teaching us how to train our dogs. If we don't know how to train, we can never train our dogs.
Thank you again....
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Phenomenal video!! Thank you so much
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You’re an awesome trainer!’n
Good work
Your videos and techniques are the BEST! I used the Dog Bone: Puppy Training, First Things First, and has helped me and my standard Poodle soo much!! She is retrieving pretty good (@ just shy of 7months) because of you and this Hold Training has helped us take a huge step forward!! I am inspired by your handling mannerisms and attitude is exactly what my personality and Poodle's temperament need. Thank you very much!!!! The Bella Be Good series is Great too!
Daniel, thank you so much for your support, and please let us know if we can help in any way!
-Jeremy
THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT VIDEO, I HAVE A 6 MONTH OLD LAB THAT I AM DOING SOME OF THE BASIC WORK MYSELF AND AM STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE HOLD AS HE IS A VERY SPUNKY FELLA..WATCHING THIS AND YOUR SET UP HAS BEEN FABULOUS, I AM GOING TO GET MY HUBBY TO HELP ME TRY TO REPLICATE THE CONCEPT FOR ME
Glad it was helpful!
This was so good. Finally got hold conditioning and my dog is responding to your method. I don't train my dog with treats either. Thank you.
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Nice video. Approach is so different from the force fetch methods of toe pinch or ear pull.
I am going to start this on my Brittany. He is 8 1/2 months and retrieving pretty good but does not retrieve to hand. He is not a "retriever" naturally but he loves to fetch and bring it back. Thank You for this video. NEW SUBSCRIBER
Thanks for the support and let us know if we can help in any way. This process is designed to clean up the retrieve, which it sounds like you are looking for. Be patient and don't rush!
Glad I found your video ..... Starting hold conditioning on my 11 month old CBR
Glad to hear Scott, let us know if we can help in any way
Super stuff I have a puppy on the way look forward when she gets to the age to train her like the way you do 👍👍
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I'm watching again.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. Starting this process tomorrow with my 14 month old Drahthaar.
Let us know if we can help in any way!
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Delayed update, but here you go. I followed the direction in this video to the T! In 6 weeks only missed one day and cut one session short because I wasn't being patient. My dog is extremely stubborn and she's the first bird dog I've had. So we're learning together. It took her around 1 week to tolerate it, 4 to 5 weeks to willingly hold, and 6 to 7 weeks to fully comply. Even after that it is a work in process, but she is so much better than she was. She will hold anything I give her and is 95% proficient at her holds. We practice nightly on our walks/training sessions. Great instruction! So glad I found this video. The premise of this video to get your dog to want to hold rather than have to out of fear of a thumping is right up my alley. Keep up the good work.
❤️❤️ thanks
Use positive reinforcement for correct behaviors !
I think it’s always finding a balance between pressure and praise. Thanks for taking the time to watch out vids. 👍🏼
Great information, thank you. How does reinforcing the hold command help with blinking on birds in the field?
I like initial SILENCE instead of background noise of "Hold,Hold,Hold,Hold,Hold". Silence allows the dog to figure out that not chomping results in release and praise. Background noise of "Hold,Hold,Hold,Hold,Hold" may teach pup to ignore the command or interpret "hold" as allowing chomping. Later "hold" only once, "drop" only once at key instants in time. In general repeating commands erode the impact of commands to background noise.
I’m glad to find someone with old school training every dog is different but you fill in a lot of questions I might have
Thank you for the support Colby and let us know if we can help in any way
I have pointing dogs - field trial / hunt test dogs - we do hunt for training - never want them sitting - will see how this works without the dog sitting
I sometimes like to see what is out there on dog training videos. Now, I am just a regular backwoods hunter, not a fancy dog trainer. I have to say, this is what I have been doing for the past 40+ years with all my Chessie's, and you are so right on this. I always thought this is the norm for teaching dogs to retrieve and hold game, until, that is, when that "FORCED FETCH" craze started. I will not stoop to that nonsense, it is the lazy way as far as I am concerned. I start from the first time I throw a sock to the pup. Understanding and getting the dog to enjoy the retrieve always work better. And doing it this way, you can teach the dog to hold the bird without chomping it so hard that the dog is chewing it to pieces. This is the first Video I have seen that I really like and agree with on this subject.
Also a proud Chessie owner don’t think I’ll ever own another breed
You are my new best friend!! Hahahhaa. I feel alone on another planet with ff being SOP in the USA. It is nothing more than instant gratification in the USA. Just that.
I did this with a two year old lab and she has never looked back since. I also followed on by doing it with 7mnth old pup. For both dogs it only took about 5 sessions (food was used for reward). With steadiness a very good stay and a very god recall it created a simple path forward. I walk the bitches to heel with the dummy held until requested. Its a game changer, it means the presentation is perfect when combined with a good recall etc. Moving forward I will always always get the foundation work of recall and stay sorted to a high standard and then incorporate hold conditioning before I worry about presentation on return. Thank you Dogbonehunter great video. I dont know much about force fetch and never want to. The older bitch was jumping on to the table herself after two sessions :)
Great video. Im on day 4 with my draathar of this and your videos have been very helpful. One issue im having is my dog is holding the dowel but very softly, like he almost just balancing it on his lower jaw. If I go to grab it without giving the release command I can just slide it around in his mouth.
Very helpful, thanks for recording this! Not touching the top of the head is so obvious, but I've never thought about it before. I realize reinforcing with treats likely leads to spitting out, but: does it make sense for a dog to do certain exercises with treats, others with alternative rewards? Would he understand that the rewards have the same value? Or do I have to completely take the non-treats route?
Yes, it should be fun for the dogs. Truly obsessive, high-drive retrievers don't require shock collars to fetch anything you throw. If they're properly introduced to retrieving early on, the behavior becomes self-reinforcing pretty quickly. If I have to FORCE a young dog into retrieving, or into obedience, instead of relying on his innate drive + positive reinforcement, doesn't that mean he's a less naturally gifted dog than the one who doesn't require compulsion? Thanks for the useful tips.
Good Good Good
My dog will hold the dummy no problem but she ducks her head when I go to take it. She has resistance. The retrieve item is everything. She's just three and it started happening at about 13 months and I've tried different things recommended to me. The frustration is when I see the videos that I have of her delivering during her first year She was happy with her head up.
Thank you for a very substantive video. I learned a great deal and appreciate the different techniques for different dogs. My question: how does your DVD/download on hold conditioning differ?
It is one and the same
5:00 - smart little girl nosing the leash off the hook..
Yes she was!
So glad I found this video! I have been using treats as a reward but I quickly realised that he was spitting the item quickly anticipating a treat. Feeling hopeful now to try this.
Thank you for your support Taylor and best of luck in your training!
Thanks much for this video - do you have any tips/videos on how to transition back to the Retrieve once you have completed the Hold Conditioning Process? If you had a dog that was spitting and taking laps BEFORE Hold Conditioning process, how do you re-introduce the retrieve once Hold Conditioning is solid? Thanks!
My dog does when on when retrieving birds spits out do all above and will hold
Best Force Fetch I have ever seen in 50 years!
Good Night Walters....... Good Night CRTA and your bleeding ears trash!
Excellent!
Please give me more instruction.
Whining?
Hand signals??
Pleaase feel free to check out the rest of our page, we have done a series on teaching handling called Cody Go Back. This series is located under the playlists tab of our page. We also do a number of different series and videos that you may find valuable.
Thanks for the support, we realize there are lots of ways to train dogs. Our hope is to give people the information to do it without using what we feel is unnecessary force, such as collars and force fetch.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore in future series could you title each video with the main idea to differentiate each video of a series. It helps in search later on. Love all your stuff. Just finishing up hold conditioning.
Great Video....I am starting to do this with my 9 month old lab but she won't willingly accept the dumbbell. She holds it decently when I do get it in there but I have to open the mouth for her to take it. How do I correct that?
I’ve started hold conditioning with my 5 month old vizsla. She is doing well but wants to chew on whatever is in her mouth instead of holding it. Any tips? Thanks love your channel
What if there was a way to make the process of holding an item seem like it was the dogs idea, making it all an extremely positive association?
While you were talking it seems she was trying to get to the dowel. If they are lunging before you’re ready to give it to them, do you go ahead and give it or do you reset them until you’re ready to give it
What age do you start most your dogs at with hold conditioning? I have a golden retriever that has been doing good with his basic retrieves with some occasional drops at my feet. He is currently 6 months and a couple weeks old. Thanks!
How long did it take to get the gsp better at hold? My almost 3 year old GWP is mouthy and drives me nuts!
@DogBoneHunter my dog want willingly grab the dowel how do I fix that?
Do you throw retrieves during this training or wait like FF until dog is fully Hold Conditioned?
how do you correct chomping?
What kind of leash is that and where to buy
i usually start with my thumb ,so they learn to apply the right pressure and then move to dummies and so on. I don’t want the dog to hold its retrieve too tight.
Can I train a catahoula dog to search for deer sheds or can you just train a labrador retriever?
So I have a question. My dog won’t even take it for more than about 2 seconds. Not sure what to do
I have a 14 month old chocolate lab, and He is a retrieving machine. Only issue is that he likes to crush bumpers and I’m getting him into hunting so I’m worried he will destroy a bird. Do you have any suggestions? I have done some force fetch and he is doing great for his first week and reason I started it was to stop the crushing issue. Thanks in advance
What would you say about a dog that will hold a canvas dummy or a bumper or even a bumper with duck wings taped onto it but won’t hold a real dead duck? If you put a dead bird in her mouth she resists heavily and then spits it out as soon as you let go of it.
Awesome video. I've got one question - what's a good age to start hold conditioning and how would you start off with a puppy to condition the early and wake up their inner retrieving drive? I guess putting a puppy on a table would be a bit too much pressure for them? How would you encourage puppy to take & hold things?
We actually did a podcast on just this question that should give you a more in depth idea of when to start hold conditioning with your dog. I'm attatching a link below... hope it helps!
dogbonehunter.com/podcast/37/when-should-i-start-hold-conditioning-ep-101
What if my dog always tries to spit it out. Or won't even allow it to be placed into her mouth? Should I attempt to excite her a bit to get it in?
I failed to teach this to my 18 month old lab and I can attest to it WILL come back to haunt you. He likes to grab the edge of the bumper or throw rope and sling it around and when I throw multiple bumpers he'll run to one, either leave it there or pick it up and go to the next one. DO NOT SKIP
Don't think it's too late, you still can do it, but now you have habits that you will have to reverse. Let us know if we can reach out in any way!
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore thanks, yes were working on it now he's making great progress! this off season we'll be working on hold conditioning, casting and blood tracking
Where is the reinforcement for correct behaviors?
Where do you get the dog training DVD at?
Hi Chad, we offer a series of training DVDs on our website at www.dogbonehunter.com/dvds/
Let us know if we can help in any way!
Wow this is such a great video! So my 3 year old golden has always been a bit mouthy, but now I’m noticing her getting worse and really “chomping” on bumpers and dokken dummies. I want to put a stop to this before next season. I always avoided force fetch because she is a very soft dog and it just seems too harsh. We will be starting hold conditioning tomorrow morning with all this extra time we have on our hands now. Any tips on how to keep her from chomping the dowel rod/bumper? She has always sort of chomped a bumper as she runs back on a retrieve, but it does seem to be getting worse. Will this just dissolve as we continue with proper hold conditioning? Any tips to help with this chomping would be appreciated.
Yes, hold conditioning will help to remedy that issue. By following the process from start to finish you will see the change, provided you're consistent. Step 1 will be elevating the dog, which takes away some of their confidence and freedom, and at the same time will typically allow for them to better focus on the task at hand. At that point is when the mouthing or chomping haas to stop 100%. Going forward with each step, there must be zero tolerance for that behavior. if you are consistent with this, after many repetitions that becomes the new norm or habit.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Sorry to message an old comment. I'm hoping your still active on TH-cam. If the dog starts chomping, what do you do? Ask for the dog to release it with the command (we also use dead) ? Or something else.
At what point do you move from the dowel to the bumper etc?
And when do you think about the dog moving from the table to the ground? Is it when they hold confidentially for a full min or something else you're looking for?
There is zero influence on the process measured by time or number of repetitions. Instead, its when you feel the dog is ready you take a step forward, which the dog will show you. The purpose of the dowel is to avoid a negative connection to this process when starting out. A-lot of times, dogs won't necessarily like this process when starting out, the dowel is used to ensure that if there is a negative connection, it's not with something I want them to like and retrieve Ie. the dummy. Once we get past that and I know there is no risk of a negative connection from the dog, we can begin to switch objects as much as we want.
Prior to moving on the ground, I have the dog move on the table. Prior to moving the dog on the table with a dummy in its mouth I have him move on the table without the dummy in its mouth. Same goes for on the ground. Instead of taking large steps and having an issue, take smaller incremental steps so the dog does not have an issue, and back up if he/she does.
Where can I get a training tab like you are using in the video? I'm not have much luck searching online.
You really don't need anything special, just a short strap tied into a hitch will work as long as you can get it off.
Otherwise, I believe gun dog supply has them here: www.gundogsupply.com/search2.html?query=steady+tab
Can a doberman do this?
Thanks for sharing your methods! I am training a 6 month old lab retriever who retrieves objects (bumpers, big and small canvas dummies, wooden dowels, bird dummies) to hand with near perfection. She already pheasant hunts and points birds in the field incredibly well, but I can't get her to retrieve an actual dead bird (shot or thrown). She just sits there and chews on the bird. Even if I take a dead bird and throw it in a retrieving session setting, she still cant connect the bird with a object she needs to retrieve. Any advice for transitioning retrieving objects to retrieving dead/wounded birds?
Tape wings to a bumper.
@@Woodywoodzzz go to water retrieves with small softer bumper, not canvas but soft knobby. start with short toss like 5-6 ft from bank, dont make her heal or sit, this needs to start as fun bumpers. quick teasing moves in hand then toss very close, make a game of it. then back up as she is getting out of water to make her chase you to give you the bumper. good luck!
Hi there, I’ve been doing hold conditioning for a couple of weeks and I have made huge progress, I have to prize open his mouth before my dog with hold it but he is holding it well now when sitting. The problem comes when I get him to walk, he spits it out immediately. Do you have any tips on how to overcome this please.
Take steps back, don't rush. At any point in this process if you run into issues the answer is to take steps back. Put the dog back up on the freezer, the dog will tell you when he/she is ready for the next steps
Would you recommend doing this before any bumper retrieve work?
No, I always try to develop as much good early retrieve as possible. If I do a good job with it, hold conditioning is a very easy process. “Hold” helps get through a lot of potential issues that we can run into with a retriever.
I didn't realize that I was doing this, but with my cats for different reasons. Not teaching them to hold stuff, but teaching them to read my tone and posture and emotions. I've always loved cats, they were extremely easy to understand and relate to, but it's only now that I'm an adult that I can teach them to not be anxious, to read the room and understand what's happening by following my lead, and to trust the right animals and people to approach. All by eye contact and context clues. They don't even need voice commands, though of course verbal reassurance helps get the point across better. Raising kittens by myself and constantly employing these methods has given great results. To me great results means they are the happiest cats I can help them to be, condiment but curious and a safe amount of caution. Didn't hurt that their mother was naturally a cuddle bug. Just by emotionally being clear with them and putting all my emotion in my eyes they thrive with understanding and love. I'm not at all looking to train a hunting dog, but I am looking to help an Australian shepherd puppy adjust to suburban life with a visually impaired owner after being with a not so well adjusted family. So I thought I'd study up on dog psychology and body language, I'm delighted to know that most animals(especially common pets) read emotions very well as long as you show them with a purpose. I'm thinking of having her help me with household chores like picking up sticks and putting them in the fire pit or helping me find something when I drop it so retrieve and hold would be great skills for her to learn. Now I just need to learn more about dog body language, and a whole bunch of other stuff lol
My dog acts as if it's a punishment and isn't excited about it no matter what
Problem I have with my pup is he drops the dummy a few feet away from me every time on a retrieve or does a victory lap and lays down to play with it. Seems like hold conditioning would be a great fix, only he’s pushing 4 years old. Is it too late?
Hey Haydin, sorry for the delayed response. It seems I missed your comment some how. To answer your question, no 4 years is not too late. As long as the dog has a baseline understanding of the game of retrieve, this process is meant to clean up the delivery which it sounds like is something you are struggling with. Let us know if we can help in any other way!
What do you do if he will not bite down on the broom handle? Or he wants to chew on it.
I firm up and help him understand to simply hold it. I don’t want him biting down on anything.
One of my english cockers keeps her eyes closed when dowel is in her mouth. I'm guessing that means she wishes she was somewhere else. your thoughts?
Hard to say, I have dogs that close their eyes when they are extremely comfortable, almost like they are in a zen like state of mind. Without seeing it, I won't be able to tell you exactly.
Just incase some millennial watches this🤣🤣..... never walk away from the table with the dog tied.
My 15yo son just got his 1st hunting dog. It’s a GSP. Can this be used with him as well? Being he isn’t a retriever breed.
Yes it can!
How do you correct a dog that is chomping?
Firm up with both tone and if necessary, underside of the chin. That becomes 100% the focus of that session, and every session going forward until you get over it.
After teaching hold, do you incorporate a fetch command?
I don't build in any kind of formal "fetch" command, as I have never had an issue with a dog not picking up. Retrievers retrieve, and it's very inherent and natural to them. It's the delivery that I see a need for polishing. I know that the force fetch process uses a fetch command as part of what they are trying to achieve. The issue I have, and reason I don't use forced fetch is because I don't have a need for what I consider to be unnecessary pressure put on the dog in order to have them do what I think should be 100 percent positive and willing on the dog's part. I know a lot of people see, talk about, and believe in the force fetch process, and that's fine if it works for them, I just don't find it necessary at all. In my opinion, the force fetch process is just too much pressure, and I don't want a dog responding to me out of fear and avoidance, and I don't want to be connected to putting that kind of pain on a dog. My goal is always to build the relationship as strong as possible based on trust and respect. Using this method has seemed to work the best for me over the years.
I certainly don't discourage the idea of the dog wanting to pick something up or take something from me when it comes to this process, I just don't encourage or promote the idea of them impulsively snatching an object.
Im about to give up and get rid of my dog. Its become frustrating ,he wont take the dowel,he wont sit and stay,he wont recall consistently He seems uninterested , no bond , no eye contact or very rare, always avoiding me doing victory laps..Im at the end. If i could afford to send him away for training he would have been at a trainers a month ago. I feel ive failed and that maybe this dog is just a dud as well. 7 month old chessie. If anyone can help me before i give him away i would appreciate it
How long is a table session and how many sessions a day?
I don't measure anything in time. The length of a session is based on how the session goes. Some are as short as a couple of minutes, some are ten to twenty. Number of sessions a day are not as important as a level of consistency in general. I have done two sessions a day in the past, some dogs can handle it, some dogs it seems to be too much. Its all in reading your dog.
I have gone through the steps and dog was doing well. The process took 8 weeks. Now he wont carry or pick up birds like he did during hold conditioning. When its feathers or a bird, he wants to not bring it to me and just wants it for himself. Thoughts? Any help would be appreciated. My frustration level is at an all time high trying to figure out what I did wrong.
Robb Nicolay you might have done nothing wrong other than getting frustrated. If it’s a fraction of what it sounds like from reading your message it will shut the dog down quickly...which simply magnified the frustration. My first recommendation is take a break. Not from working with the dog, but from your hold conditioning. It’s just as much a break for you as it is the dog. I think you have to be there mentally in the right place just as much mechanically. What exactly do you mean by like he did during hold conditioning? The process needs to be done with the birds/feathers just the same as a canvas dummy or wooden dowel, starting at step one and all the way through the making a retrieve. Remember a retrieve doesn’t need to be 100, 50, 20 even 10 yards. It can be 1 step to start out and from that you add distance.
Robb Nicolay shoot me an email with a short video Of what your facing if that would be easier. It will help me with analyzing what’s going on and what I might do the try and right things. My email is jeremy@dogbonehunter.com
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Thank you for the reply. I have taken a break from hold conditioning and that has helped me with being frustrated. What I meant by him not holding the same was he holds it fine when I put it in front of his face. He wants to grab the ends of the bumper or dummy when he has to pick it up from the ground. Thank you for your information. I like this approach way better than force fetch!
I cant get my 7 month old chessie to take the dowel. I dont want to force it into his mouth or do i ? Hes okay being up on the table and tethered to post. Ive gone back to just leaving him settled tethered on the table. Little lost on what to do next to get him to take the dowel.
Robert, hope you see this post. I am betting if you stuck with it the problems have mostly gone away. It sounds like a case of the dog going through a rebellious stage. How is he doing by now?
@@wesleywalker1682 Its still a struggle with him. He has poor manners, still jumping, still nipping playfully, not aggressively . Recall is a still a problem. Hes not solid in any aspect. And i still consider getting rid of him but its not easy since ive had him since he was 7 weeks old. The question i often ask myself is if he was weaned to early. He is absolutely the most difficult dog ive ever owned.Hes chewed anything and everything in my home. I have to take responsibilty for most of it. I just get so fed up with the constant struggle , its exhausting on top of life in general with all the responsibilities that come with it . Disappointed to say the least. Hes now 10 months old . I lose my shit with him and crate him. Let him out and he is ok for a bit. hes actually eaten my drywall in a couple of spots, couple remotes. ive got plywood and gates all over my house. ugh i keep hoping that at some point hes going to get what the correction mean. im lost with this guy. if i had the money i would be hiring the best trainer for me and him. Never ran into this before with my other dogs, They were easy. my golden was a natural bird dog and my other chessie was easy to train.
@@robertheinzelman9212 Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't have too much more to offer, having not trained many dogs, but the with the little I have done I found that when difficulties came up if I back up and take smaller step toward the goal it would work. This sounds like a case above and beyond that.
Is it okay to still practice retrieves while hold conditioning?
No, while in the process of hold conditioning we stop retrieving completely until we are through the process.
Been working with my 6 1/2 month lab for almost 3 weeks. He hasn’t held the dowel steady in his mouth for 1 second. Chomps and chomps. Never bites down hard but just moves it around. Never holds it long enough for me to count to one. I’ve looked for any kind of similar situation for help but just stumped. I started this training because the dog was putting his head down on delivery and wouldn’t hand me the bumper. Really frustrating!
Firm up. Sounds like the dogs doing what it wants. He’s winning every time and leaves you frustrated. Likely the dog has no idea what you want. Firm up and get a change in behavior so you can tell him he’s good. You’ll be surprised how quickly to do it right when they know what it is you want from them.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore firmer with my voice is easy as I’ve been at 50% firm.
Do I hold the dowel in his mouth by clamping onto his jaws and making him hold it until he does it himself?
Or do just keep positioning it in his mouth and not let up until he holds it without chomping?
@@scotthovelsrud5293 you will have to try and see how the dog responds. I train by the rule that I firm up until I get the desired change in behavior. From there my goals are to replicate the behavior over time with less and less pressure until the behavior is there without pressure necessary. You also have to remember that when the dogs does it, you have to let them know with praise. I don’t look for perfect, I look for improvements and let the dog know accordingly.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Success!!!!!
A couple of firm “No’s” (firm but not Attila the Hun level) and Tell stopped chomping and very lightly held it still in his mouth. Did it twice to make sure it wasn’t an accident and got outa Dodge with lots of praise. Thank you so much for training me what to do. I think Tell knew all along he just needed an owner to figure it out!
Why not work on the force fetch and the hold at the same time?
I don't use force fetch, instead I use this kind of hold conditioning. I end up with very good results without needing to use the force fetch methods.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore I figured that out as I watched more of the video lol. This is an interesting method. I've only known forcing.
How do you fix it when your dog won’t take the dowel or dummy?
It can be a bit of a wrestling match to start out. Check out some of the vids we have posted here on our channel...you will see that some take it more easily than others. It can be a struggle to start which is exactly why I use the dowel. But you have to win that battle or the dog will fight it that much harder going forward.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Hello DBH, I have tried to find the vids you talk about above with no luck. Can you specify which vids deal with a dog that won't take a dowel? Please and Thanks in advance!!!! Kevin.