Was Jesus Actually God? | Brant Pitre on a Catholic History of Jesus | Myths Debunked
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- How does theology intersect with history? Was Jesus actually God? Dr. Gray welcomes Dr. Brant Pitre to discuss the role history plays in our knowledge of the Faith.
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Dr. Pitre made me Catholic! Thank God!
Muy bien
Gloria in excelsis Deo and Ave Maria 😍🤗
That’s great. He really is a gift to the Church.
Awesome.
That is a great compliment to pay him. God bless!
Pitre’s anointed teachings awakened me, a cradle Catholic, from my lukewarm slumber! I praise God everyday for Dr Brant Pietre.
Well said. I couldn't agree more.
Couldn’t have said it better! God bless!
Thank you Dr. Pitre for your amazing literary works..! I purchased four of your books and already finished two of them, 'The case for Jesus' and 'Jewish roots of Mary'.
Must tell you both were way beyond my wildest imaginations. I had always been pained by the way other denominations of Christianity viewed Mary, Mother of God. After reading your book, I am sure, even the staunchest protestants will think twice before coming out with their usual unfair criticisms against our beloved Mother of God.
Love Doctor Pitre, he nails it. Thank you God for him.
And I LOVE his passion & enthusiasm too! 🥰
@@lillight4JC Totally agree 👍
Dr. Brant Pitre is indeed a very blessed theologist, and an extremely brilliant,,, my faith go deeper as I watched and listened to his videos,, thank you sir 😇❤️,,, GOD'S LOVE AND MERCY BE WITH US ALWAYS 🙏❤️🙏
Dr. Pitre love the insight whenever he explain chapter in the Bible.
Imagine you're studying for the priesthood and your seminary professor tells you that about the gospels... Well, stop imagining, because that's what happened for decades from the 1970s.
Dr Pitre's 'The Case for Jesus' was music to my ears.
Wonderful explanation. I am learning a lot from your talks. Thanks Dr. Pitre.
--- I have been following Brant for years now .... Have bought lots of material and videos by him ... and one of my favorites sights is Catholic Productions "Sunday Readings" where he covers Mass Readings for all 3 years ...
--- Brant Pitre is the Real Deal !!
--- Thank You Augustine Institute for having Dr Pitre as a guest ....
I agree. Please stop interrupting the Dr and let him speak.
People please get to know more dr. Brant Pitre. He is often on a YT channel Catholic Productions and his book the Case for Jesus is a amazing. It has precise and clear information which you can check and it's easy to read.
Please Friend! How can I got that book? Can you help me? Thank you very much. God bless you.
@@nghieunguyenvan2156, you can find it on amazon or his website.
Would love more episodes of Dr. Brant Pitre teaching us
Go to catholic productions on TH-cam. He has many videos there.
@@brucebarber4104 yes thank you I have been on it for over a year now. And also he’s on Augustine Institute teaching Lectio Mary
I love this book!!! And Dr. Pitre!
I just purchased this book and am excited to dive into it. Thank you Dr. Pitre!
TRY READING THE BIBLE FIRST.......2 POINTS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT 2 SAMUEL CHA 7 VER 12 .......AND MATTHEW 23 VER 39........ THE RCC WAS NEVER TO LEAVE EUROPE... SATAN OWNS ROME NOW.. AND THE TEMPLE MOUNT BY ISLAM..
Dr. Brant Pitre rocks!
Dr. Brant Pitre, You are amazing! 🇻🇦✌❤
The interviewer needs to stop interrupting the guest to show how much HE knows. Dr Pitre is extremely knowledgeable on scripture and does not require an interpreter. Paul Laboda
exactly. very annoying
Thank you for your program. God bless Dr. Tim and Dr. Brant. Your topic is very helpful to our faith.
Dr. Grey if you're gonna host someone please let them speak.
I can't watch this because of the interruptions of Tim grey
A wonderful book! As is your book on The Virgin Mary.
Six months on olmost 5,000 children separated from parents by conflict in Tigray, Says save the children. Please pray to end the suffering of civilians
I'm really anxious to start reading this book!
Very good. Thanks Dr. Pitre. May God continue to bless you and your family members.
I consider Brandt Pitre to be one of the 2 equal best living lay theologians [Scott Hahn is the other]. I do not know if they have ever met each other.
Incidentally, I'm writing from England [just in case you think that all your listeners are in the US].
and here from New Zealand, agree they are both wonderful, and there is ALSO Dr John Bergsma. Formidable. Thanks be to God.
Thanks for this video...it was an amazing topic...my faith is growing because of Catholic podcast.God bless.canada
LET HIM FINISH WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY PLEASE & STOP INTERUPTING HIM AS HE TRIES TO CLARIFY HIS POINT. Thank you!
I searched so much and for so long that I concluded the only two religions I would want to belong to were Catholicism and Judaism. Of course, I am a Catholic.
Great conversation🙏
Dr. Brant is so enthusiastic and powerful in his faith🙏
This is 🔥 .. I love long form with Dr. Pitre! Where can I find more? :)
Joseph Maxwell from Glasgow, Scotland:
I love the simple truthful iteration of the learning of Dr Petrie, especially in his enlightenment of the book of Revelation.
I am constantly abused and criticised profusely (Attacked) for my belief in Jesus Christ as Our Lord and Saviour.
The grounding in Faith and Reason can be highlighted in historical terms especially in the myth; That religion is responsible for more wars and deaths in the world than anything else.
In our time, we have great anchors in Catholic Christianity and teaching in truth.
We have the great teachers of the Church, supplemented with the Catholic and Christian scholars of today.
Thank you for your declaration of Faith.
Gengus Kahn, Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler debunk that particular Religion myth.
Thank you so very very much for this WONDERFUL video!!! I'm hoping and praying I can convince my doubting and even non-believing friends and relations to watch this! God bless you both sooooo very very much! 🙏🕊🙏
i like it the most when you’re not talking over each other.
Thank you for this channel and teaching! Keep being faithfull!
I love Dr. Pitre and his book.
The Church historian Eusebius from 4th century mentioned in his book Ecclesiastical History that Pantaneus visited India about AD 180 and there he found a Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew language, left with the Christians there by St. Barthlomew. So, that suggests strongly that it was well known in the Christian world that Matthew was one of the Gospel writers.
I would love to have the books...where to get it?
Carlos, from Hermosillo Mexico. Great lectures from Dr Pitre. Thanks!,
God bless you both!
I'm reading Pitre and Bergsma's Catholic Introduction to the Bible: Old Testament right now and it's great. Next up is The Case for Jesus
Richard Bauckham’s book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses is very helpful as well.
Lol Brant: "it's done already? That was way too fast" 😂 gotta love his passion. And I know this just scratched the surface. Gotta have him back for this topic :)
I'm so glad I watched this
Good evening , / good day ! Please may we know about the YEARS on Our Lord Jesus Christ between 12 years old and at His age of 33 .
Thank you. Catholic from The Philippines. GOD BLESS YOU . 🙏♥️💐😇💒👏🙏
I would love to see a debate between Dr Pitre and Tovia Singer
Thankyou for the beautiful videos that helps increasing the faith in Jesus... It would be great if a video about lost years of jesus(Years that has not been mentioned in bible) can be done... If there is any information in history about what jesus was doing(Like if he had travelled to some other countries for teachings etc.) during those years.
E. Warner Wallace of Cold-Case Christianity has also shown that the Gospels show natural testimonial elements (testable witnessing).
The Gospel of Mark bookends Jesus’ baptism and death with reflective declarations. At the baptism there is a voice from heaven: “You are my Son” and at the crucifixion a gentile centurion, says, “Truly this man was the Son of God”; the Spirit descends like a dove at baptism, and gives up the ghost at death, both have references to Elijah, and the heaven being torn asunder, and the Temple curtain is torn. Mark is written is three parts, with layered themes in each part to reinforce teaching. Mark seems to be a retelling of stories about Elisha, Moses, eg, Moses parts the sea and crosses; Jesus calms the sea and crosses. Mark also redacts Psalms, eg, Mark 15 34 “my god, why have you forsaken me” from Psalm 22 1 “my god, why have you forsaken me.” Matthew 2 references Three Wise men who bring gifts to Jesus of gold, frankincense and myrrh. These gifts foreshadow Christ’s life: gold=kingship, frankincense=worship and myrrh = death and mourning. This is typical of Mythism but curious as a historical account and witness statements
Dr Pitre wonderful if you visited for lecture tour 🇬🇧 UK
I would like to ask one more doubt... All the 4 gospels mentions some similar events... So i would just like to confirm why these events are repeating in all the writings written by each gospel... Is there a reason to include in bible those similar events that are repetitive
The Gospels Zero anonymous and 100 percent author authenticity.
In English language when you put the heading"Gospel according to Mark" it directly means that Mark has not written that book & whosoever wrote it has not put his name.
If you are learned, you cannot deny this!!!
So how are you making such false statements
@@saifuddinlakdawala8988 just like your reply it wasn't written or texted by you. DUH!
Loved every minute of this show and the previous one. Looking forward to watching the one of Mary, my weak spot as a long ago convert. Dr. Pitre has strengthened my Catholic faith.
In Geometry, theorems can only be proven by application of things that are absolute and cannot be proven such as opposite angles are equal as well as corresponding angles are equal; and also again by application, because of their absolutes, circles, right angles and parallel lines can prove more theorems. In the same natural/geometric way we can see that Christ, the incarnate God, is parallel with God himself. We cannot simply account for the existence of God but by application we can understand that Christ is the proof for God just like theorems are proven by application of natural/geometric laws. When we consider that the following invisible qualities of God also apply to Christ we can conclude that there is a God: holiness, righteousness, goodness, love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness, good morals, authority over creation, power over sicknesses and diseases, etc.. The gospel tells us that Jesus Christ is also the second Adam, the perfect man/Adam that the first Adam was before his fall. As progeny of the second Adam and of God himself we are/should be by nature and by right perfect also according to God's grace and justification. As we are/can be in the image of God too, therefore by application again, we can say with greater confidence that there is a loving, merciful and compassionate God in the heavens.
Can you explain psalm 91
There was the perception that there was an evolution from Jesus to Christ, but Luke 1:1-4 and I John 1:1-4 reveal that the sources were eyewitnesses. If we will not believe them then why should we believe Erhman and his ilk?
Interviewer talked too much. Too much summarizing. Let Dr. Petrie teach us.
🙏✝️Thanks for this conversion story!! Welcome Mr Rivera!! I want to make one comment on one statement made by Mr Rivera that we need a non-sacramental service, so it's not shocking to Protestants.. Please discuss this critical detail that we have Adult Catechism, and that NEVER is there a Catholic mass without The Most Holy Eucharist, or there is no point to the mass! Mr Rivera should not speak in this way, which makes me concerned if he is lacking in faith in the Fullness of the Catholic faith. Our years of worrying about Protestant feelings, opinions are done--pews emptying. Please correct this, as a solid Catholic such as Dr Scott Hahn fell on his knees weeping with the most holy Sacrifice of the mass. I worry Mr Rivera's statement is not the way to not have the Holy Sacrifice of the mass for Protestants! . I believe you needed to intervene in the interview, so Mr Rivera understands. Now others have heard this error! I speak in Mercy and in defending the Catholic true mass. Our Catholic Church is on FIRE from dissent and heretical teachings. In the heart of Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
BLESSED EASTER TO ALL!
It seems to me that the argument in favour of anonymity of the Gospels is mostly based on a theoretical methodology (Form Criticism) of how oral traditions develop into written texts, as opposed to primary and contemporary secondary source evidence. It relies on the methodology being correct and so makes sense mostly within the parameters of that theory. But, what if the theory is flawed? Now, Form Criticism might have merits, however the fact is within academic history many different theoretical methodologies have come in and out of fashion. For example, during the mid 20th century Marxism analysis used to be common as was Structuralism, but now these are rarely seen. So, sometimes certain theories can hold sway for a long time, to the extent that their arguments can become accepted de rigueur, but may not be so unassailable in reality. If someone can come in with a sounder and fresher argument, that will move the current position of academia.
One Jewish friend of mine said: why didn't Jesus clearly say he was God? He said in the AT God presents himself openly and asks people to worship him, so why doesn't he do the same in Jesus? He said: why should it be an enigma to decipher in the NT, a kind of Chinese mind game? What answer to that?
Word.
Thank God. You are our Lord. God is so good. Amen.
Dr Pitre claims he read the Church Fathers. In which language did he do this? Greek? Latin? Or English? Its very important to know this.
Why?
Dr. Pitre has spoken about the many languages he knows, including ancient ones. I recall he once said he learned Coptic, or perhaps he said ancient Coptic, just so he could read a manuscript.
You do know that we have people who have degrees in linguistics that can give translations as accurate as possible, right?
Well, I do know that to get a Ph.D. from Notre Dame (in South Bend) in theology, one must master latin and Ancient Greek. He probably knows quite a bit of Hebrew as well.
John 1:51
And he said to him, "Amen, amen, I say to you,
you will see heaven opened and the angels of God
ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
Did that happened?
Oh another book for sale!! Wot do ya know?
I haven't watched the video yet but I've started reading The Case for Jesus and am a bit disappointed. What I don't understand is why nobody considers the possibility that Jesus talk about being Son of God could be in a manner of an enlightened wisdom teacher, not claiming to BE God but claiming to be one with God, using symbols and language of a 1st century Jew. His "resurrection" could be a kind of emanation body (known in Buddhist and Hindu traditions), but his disciples misunderstood it.
Blessed be God Forever!!!!!
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction "
The Case for Jesus is great, but its genre is less academic than popular. Has Dr. Pitre written something on tbus that is more academic?
I’m not sure if he wrote any academic books on this particular subject but he does have a couple of theological books that are much more in depth than the average reader can easily understand.
It's tailored academia.
Jesus is the word of God that came out of God and returned to God. Isaiah 55:11 "For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it."
The is no evidence recorded by the scores of chroniclers and officials, Roman, Jewish and Greek who wrote histories about the period in question. These include Nicolaus of Damascus, Justus of Tiberias, Philo of Alexandria, Seneca the Younger, Pliny the Elder and Plutarch. Even Paul and Clement of Rome did not describe anything about Jesus ministry, family, miracles or other events
Theological abstractions.then into mysticism.
Is the Devil really in the OT. Their is many Jewish/Hebrew scholars stating that the Devil was eventually created later my Christians. They say the serpent in the Garden is not the devil according to the Hebrew bible?.
Job 1:6-12
Thanks for having Dr Petre. But please stop talking over your guest. Guest are there to tell what they know, not for us to hear what you know. A good interview is where the audience forgets there is a host.
1:50 do all scholars agree and have same source's. Actually he neglected jesus saying " search the scripture and you believe you have eternal life they testify of me" !!!. Without the Jewish scripture,the gospels are invalid.
If Jesus come not to change the law of Moses but to fulfill it as the Jews Messiah, obviously He didn't start a new religion but natural continuation of Judaism under the new covenant. His first followers are all Jews and they continued this new covenant Judaism as messianic Jews in their respective synagogues of Jerusalem, Damascus,Antioch, Rome, Corinth, Carthage etc. with the basic traditions like tabernacle, alter, menohra, priesthood, etc. intact which can be found only in catholic Church. Therefore catholic Church must be the one which Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter.
@Questa Semplice Animazione simple the first followers of Jesus were almost all are Jews and they called themselves Catholic according to St. Ignatius of Antioch.
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But the bible says the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked who can know it?
Ave Christus Rex.
Ave Maria
your guy watch yet ??? this film make me confused . I hope after dr BRANT i will have the answer
YES I WAS.
The host interrupts too much
Who is Jesus Christ? It is normally accepted that God knows the WHOLE future and is here interacting with us. You should distinguish between "possible futures" (that God could maybe modify) and "THE ONE actual future" (including the modifications by God) that will ACTUALLY take place. Thus, God is supposed to perfectly know that One future which will ACTUALLY come true. Once again, that actual future is ALREADY AMENDED in accordance with the God's wishes. But this implies a SEPARATION of God from the world and mankind:
God would simply BOREDLY STARE at what happens in the world, doing NOTHING MORE than staring at that well-known film which simply regularly UNFOLDS. God had really NOTHING to do because even the God's voice would be ALREADY RECORDED on that film: his power standing ALONE would do exactly what needed. God would refrain to take his personal actions too, because they MUST EXACTLY be taken as in that film, no deviations are allowed! Since that actual future is "already amended", this implies there MUST have been a "first phase" BEFOREHAND in which God WAS FREE to make all his decisions, where God examined "possible futures", i.e. He did NOT know the WHOLE ACTUAL FUTURE above. Indeed (1) KNOWING the ACTUAL future and (2) being FREE TO DECIDE are things MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, God can have either one, but not the two of them AT THE SAME TIME for logical reasons: if God "reserved the right" to decide to change the future whenever He likes (see (2)), this would mean He doesn't really know what will happen in the future and this is not serious. But that is not the case: when all his decisions are made - end of the first phase - God knows exactly the whole future, is happy with that and the matter is concluded FOR GOOD. God is almighty, He cannot afford mistakes, second thoughts or uncertainties for the future.
Since God is ONLY FREE TO DECIDE WHEN HE IS IN THE FIRST PHASE, this means that we have a relationship with Him when He is in that first phase! But this means we have a relationship with God WHO IS IN THE PAST, in a very distant past, the mankind was not born yet ("the world has not known you"). Thus, "No man has seen God at any time" doesn't happen because God is INVISIBLE, false ! That happens because GOD IS NOT AVAILABLE!! But from that past God is able to REACH OUT TO US here now, only with his words and actions. Since there's NO ONE HERE to speak those words, you can say that the God's presence here corresponds to the presence of a SPIRIT ("God is a spirit"): He is the SPIRIT OF GOD. From what set out above, the conclusion of the God's work in that remote past - i.e. the end of the first phase - would coincide with His SEPARATION from us, because the future known to Him would simply come true - with AUTOMATIC actions taken by his power where necessary - thus UNFOLDING without any further personal God's intervention. Instead of that no real separation occurs because - at the conclusion of his work - God gets rid of his power to become like a normal person, without any power: the Son of God. Thus, "Son" only means that Jesus DERIVES from God, He is no "normal Son" ! Therefore Jesus INHERITS the reign of God, EVERYTHING "The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand.". Jesus - who is a man now - is DIFFERENT from the Father since He has now no power at all “ I from myself am not able to do a thing”. This is why He sits next to the POWER of God: He hasn't got any! However, He is NOT DISTINCT from the Father either, since He DERIVES from Him "He who has seen me has seen the Father.". Thus, for Father + Son taken together you cannot use the pronoun "He", you cannot use the pronoun "They" either. You can say that God is more than One and less than Two in number.
ITS TRUE YOU NEED TO STUDY VERRY DEEP
Diluting the word of God is herachy
Why would I be a catholic? Are You sent(born) as catholic? Is it real, that every human sent as fresh as plain, before the child could turn 3 is in the relegion of the parents?
If you 'come' as a child by birth should you not 'go' as a child by death?
Is not the child is a person who has the life of father even after mother's womb? By birth.
Is not the 'going' child is a person who has the LIFE (Jesus - I am the LIFE) even after the largest womb, the earth?
So just throw out the biblical definition of "faith" in Hebrews 11: 1 and make something up. You're got to ask why, my guess is because when you really think about what Hebrews 11: 1 is saying, it is such an appalling epistemology that enables you to believe that literally anything could be true.
The universe exists but god doesn’t!
I have not been able to find anything to refute the theory that the Romans invented Jesus to make the Jews more passive.
Sounds like you haven't read any Roman documents that are not religious that talk about a crucified man named Jesus.
Sounds like you haven't read any Roman documents that talk about christians being an issue.
Christianity is well documented to be going in since 1st century, well within time of someone who actually witnessed Christ. It's documented that the Bible was put together around 350-400 ad. Thus the Roman Catholic Church was born along with the Bible, the Latin Vulgate.
The books in the Bible were written in 1st century and has Jewish scriptures like the Torah.
Rome creating Jesus dies not hold up. Rome having christianity the official religion to control the people, is a better argument. Paul being created by Rome, is a better argument.
I used to be an atheist. Richard Carrier's book why invent the Jesus, is a good read. But he omits things. As an atheist, I found that shady. Why omit documents that disprove your views? Christopher Hitchens was this way too.
In my own search to disprove Jesus, I found he existed. Now the miracles the gospels says he did, that's debateable. But a Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified, is an historical fact. So I set out to find that he was a fraud. My angle was that he had his people pretty be to be ill, he set them in towns so when he went to that town, he had these miracles done. But they were all in on it. Then the stories grew and people exaggerated them to him raising the dead and everything in between.
I'm now Roman Catholic.
Set out to discredit the man, only to worship Him. Go figure
@@user-fb2jb3gz1d Wow, blown away with your comment simply awesome may Our Lord Jesus Christ bless you always friend.
@@JR-tl8tg oh thanks.
I just don't understand why people fail to research how did Rome go from believing in paganism to christianity?
If they do not mention the Roman emperor, Constantine and his conversion, they obviously haven't done their research well enough. And that is definitely well documented by the Roman empire, not by christians and christianity.
Because if they look into Constantine and his conversion, they will find that he had a group of priests put together a book, using what the people, who were practicing christianity, were using.
This happened in the time of Constantine, 350 to 400, somewhere around there. If Rome created christian, then how is it that we have documents from early church fathers, written as early as 60ad to 300ad, well before the reign of Constantine.
That makes no sense, it does not fit the narrative saying Rome invented Jesus. I would say Rome made Jesus popular and made christianity the most popular religion in the world.
Robert Price, Mark Carrier, Bert erhman are good research on the invention of Jesus.
Notice I give examples for the invention of Jesus.....why? Because then you'll have better questions and better statements based off of actual historical scholars. Then you can research counterpoints to those better questions and statements.
Do research on both sides, not just one side.
Why do I suggest to start with biased research, in favor of the invention of Jesus?
Because you'll tend to naturally have developed that same bias. So when you research the other side, you're armed with the knowledge of skepticism. And all I ask is to be honest when you come across the facts. As you did when you found out facts from the atheists scholars.
You'll find things they omit, twist the meanings of and change their own criteria just to suit their views.
Also I suggest to start there because you can't say I'm being biased. I'm wanting people to start there because that's where I went. As an atheist, I stood by a criteria.....follow the evidence, not my opinions. And now I'm a christian by using that. criteria. Then I ended up Roman Catholic due to the same criteria. Go figure. I'm not advocating for catholicism. I would say go to other denominations. Why? For the exact same reasons I'm saying to start with the atheist approach. You just have to be honest when you find the facts and leave your personal feelings and opinions out.
I like discussing religion to anyone, I do this alot. I'm honest and will even help one make a better argument against me. Why? Because I've been there. After a while, you'll find that every discussion being argued between believers and atheists has been discussed. You'll find that every argument between christians has been done.
Read about the early church fathers. You'll find what they practiced, what they taught, what they were in debate about.
It's all been discussed before, there is nothing new under the sun.
People still debating these things just shows the ignorance of history, people have.
Dr. Pitre please tell me straight, what was so drastically wrong in the Law given by God, which Jesus wanted you to fulfill it to its fullest but that same LAW was abolished by Paul, within just a few years?
Who authorised Paul to ABOLISH God's LAW?
God himself or Jesus Christ?
How did Paul do it?
I've seen your comments and it seems to me you are not that familiar with my of the research you mentioned, but you were told about it by someone else. That's ok, but don't pretend to know what you are talking about.
There are so many innacuracies and I don't know where to start.
Bart Ehrman is not a Christian, he is agnostic. And seeing you like him so much, he also believes Jesus died on the cross. So who's lying: Bart or the Quran? (I'm assuming you are Muslim, correct me if I'm wrong) You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Brant Pitre is familiar with the work of Bart Ehrman which he references and debunks in his book the case for Jesus. In a debate between Ehrman and Michael Bird (I think it's M. Bird, I'm not sure right now) Pitre asked a question to Ehrman about the deity of Christ in the synoptic Gospels a d Ehrman who is famous of his view that Jesus does not claim divinity before the Gospel of John de facto admitted that Jesus does claim divinity.
Even when it comes to Christian scholars, there are also o called "liberal Christians" which in my view were not Christians at all, but they identify as such. It's like having a Muslim that thinks the Quran has errors and contradictions; it wouldn't seem like a true Muslim. That's why you have people like John Dominic Crossan who are liberal and not orthodox/conservative, but claim to be Christian.
Whether we include liberal Christians or not, we can still talk about Christian scholars, they can debate and be wrong or not. When a Christian scholar say that the Gospels are annonymous, first you need to know what he means by that and not insert you are preconcieved notion and just because he holds this view he can still be wrong about it.
Paul got the authority to preach the Gospel by God Himself.
What you ignorantly claim that Paul abolished the Law is false.
Read the Gospel of Matthew. Jesus said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fullfill it. In the next two chapters Jesus describes how the Law is fullfilled. Then compare the words of Jesus with the words of Paul and you will find out that they are perfectly consistent. Paul was more of a theologian so he went into more debth, but they hold the same view. Another thing you were lied to.
At last I will mention Bart Ehrman again. He talks on and on how the biblical manuscripts are different with variants, but when you look at his examples it is clear that the Bible is not lost and he even says something similar.
For example, he mentions how one scribe misspelled a word or wrote the same line twice. Typical scribal errors and we can confidently know what the Bible actually said.
When it comes to Bart Ehrman he rarely lies, but distorts the truth (which is more dangerous) to sell more books to gullible people.
@@eugengolubic2186 I would value the reply if it had come from Dr. Pitre or any other qualified well known scholar like Dr Bart Ehrman. Definitely not from you.
The fact that you are bringing in the Qurran ul KAREEM, which is not the topic of this video, itself shows that you cannot answer the questions raised by me.
Your allegations against Dr. Bart Ehrman are baseless & your words are that of a layman compared to the words of Dr Bart Ehrman. He has become Agnostic after his research of the Bible & is because of the sufferings in the world inspite of the existence of the loving Triune Godhead of the Bible!
He donates all the income from the internet media, without deducting even the organisational expenses, for that noble cause.
Are you having any such education, research and benevolence to pass remarks about him?
This is not your cup of tea, let the expert Dr Pitre reply to my queries, if he has any?
Paul regarded Jewish law as sacred and that the commandments were righteous and good (Romans 7:12). He desired to obey God's law, while his flesh made him “a slave to the law of sin” (Romans 7:21-25).
@@alexchristopher221 abolishing the Law by Paul was sinful?
So what makes all the CHRISTIANS to obey his contradicting Commands to Jesus Christ pbuh's Commands which were sent by GOD ALMIGHTY?
Pauline Christianity has become the Commandment of the day & the mighty Prophet of GOD ALMIGHTY is sidelined!!!
@@saifuddinlakdawala8988 Paul did not abolish God's moral law. This is the law which for the Jews was enumerated in the Ten Commandments and which for all human beings has been written in their hearts (Rom. 2:15) and still commanded of them (Matt. 22:37-40; Rom. 13:8-10). All the ceremonial laws (i.e., circumcision) which distinguished and separated Jews from Gentiles were rejected. Prior to the establishment of the New Covenant, Jews and Gentiles couldn't eat together because of restricted foods, required washings, and ceremonial contamination. Now they could eat anything with anyone. Nor could they worship together until then. What Paul taught and proposed have their roots in Jesus' teachings, notably in his Sermon on the Mount.
Amazing how you diceive self so confidently
Dr. Pitre why did the learned Professors in the colleges you studied taught you that the Gospels are written by anonymous writers?
Weren't these Professors CHRISTIANS?
Have you read the research done by a christian Professor Dr. Bart Ehrman, a renowned NT scholar who has shown that the all the Gospel Accounts are grossly not matching & a Christian conjures Bible teachings, by mixing these different Gospels & then believes that is the word of God?
So whats the problem with things not matching or appearing in one or two and left out in the.others. Eyewitnesses or second hand accounts they forget things!!! This makes it more genuine. If eveything matched up all the time it would.be worse. People will then say they were fixed.
@@abrahamdecruz5128 how lightly you are taking the matters of GOD ALMIGHTY?
When we are talking about the four main Gospels, which are giving different accounts.
According to Christendom Bible is inspired by Holy Ghost so how should they be different in the fact of the matter? Use of different words by different writers is acceptable on condition that the fact of the matter is not changed.
In my earlier comments I had pointed out that CHRISTIANS mix up these variations & generate a good continuous story & believe that it is the word of God Almighty.
By doing this choose & pick you become greater in status than those Gospels writers. I have nothing against you so think properly.
One new thing has come to my mind. This is my original understanding, not from any other sources.
SATAN IS THE STAUNCH ENEMY OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
Satan's main purpose is to deceive & divert the believers away from God Almighty.
Do you agree?
SATAN always misguides you.
So Satan selects Saul & whispers into him the whole plan that killing Christians will not eliminate them nor will they cease from praying to one & only one GOD ALMIGHTY therefore instead of killing them Saul should introduce Trinity making Jesus also God.
NOW GOD ALMIGHTY HAS ALREADY WARNED YOU IN FOREMOST IN TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE WARNING IS A VERY SERIOUS ONE.
His next step was to sink you all deep into sins by simply negating all the GODLY teachings of Jesus Christ pbuh. The Christians dumped Jesus Christ pbuh & easily accepted Pauline Christianity.
In short wealth, women, wine & the greatest that Jesus Christ pbuh has paid for your sins in total, till eternity!!!!!!
Bart Ehrman îs a poor excuse for a scholar. That, my friend, is widely recognized in the field.
@@abrahamdecruz5128 if in our daily use of language if 2 or more people are describing the same event then 2 things are possible.
1. Variation in different description is acceptable when the major portion is same but with different choice of words. Okay.
2. But if the event description differs in the subject matter & the event becomes different by each of them, then it is not acceptable.
Worst still, after 2000 years, how will you decide who is correct?
This is the problem. Dr. Bart Ehrman has given accurate account of the basically different description in different Gospels. Verify yourself.
One more thing, you have WRONGLY mentioned about eyewitness. There is no eyewitness account in the Bible but only the record of the prevailing Stories, which a Christian says that it was inspired by Holy Spirit.
Here the question arises that Holy Spirit being one in the Trinity godhead how could he have differed in the Gospels?
It is upto you whether to ignore the black and white or believe whatever you want to believe?
Dr Pitre you claim that the Gospels are correct because there are thousands of manuscripts which prove that,
But all these manuscripts are copies of the copies of the copies of the copies.... none of them are originals & are of 2nd or 3rd century.
NO TWO MANUSCRIPTS ARE IDENTICAL in those thousands of manuscripts you are claiming!
Therefore either you or Dr. Bart Ehrman is lying.
Who is lying?
How do you know this? Did you g check for yourself, or are you still listening to Ehrmann?
1. Neither is lying. Prof Erhmann exaggerates the degree of unbelief or disbelief and Dr. Brant exaggerates the accuracy of the bible
2. What is the problem of anonymous gospels?, In the beginning it could have been anonymous. Then along comes Paul who reads them aloud and says who does it sound like? and then Paul names the gospels and this becomes the convention and this becomes copies of copies of copies down to the current times and subsequently the anonymous gospels disappear or get downgraded.
3. Now we see Mark was a disciple of St. Peter. So its a second hand account. He gets his account.from Peter who was the eye witness. So what's the problem with this second hand account. If this is Peter's account so the gospel can be retitled the gospel of Peter. Why get fixated.by who wrote it? Its the content that matters and its relationship to our faith
4. Finally the Case for this and that is very legalistic, it seems the bible is put under trial Lets have less legal jargon and less showmanship of each side trying to prove their CASE
It seems Brant is just a reaction to Erhmann.
@@abrahamdecruz5128 it is an important issue, if you want to confirm the truth, whether it is from GOD ALMIGHTY or mere human who attributes his way of guidance to the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE?
Just think that if GOD ALMIGHTY gave the guidance for the Jews, through Jesus Christ pbuh, what authority Paul has to abrogate those Commands & replace them with his own version which are in contrast? Was he a prophet chosen by GOD ALMIGHTY to do so?
Paul was a staunch enemy of Jesus' teachings & was on his way to Damascus to kill the followers. You took ENEMIES word for granted that he had a dream & heard from Jesus Christ pbuh & had converted instantly!!!!
What is wrong with your senses? Consider these questions:-
1. Did Jesus Christ pbuh discussed with GOD ALMIGHTY in Heaven that it was a great mistake (nauzubillah) giving those Commands through Jesus Christ pbuh, because they were horriblely incorrect, & so appoint Paul to ABOLISH God's LAW & give new laws? Do you think this could be right?
2. Paul has never met Jesus Christ pbuh or his actual companions & within 20 to 30 years he abrogated Jesus' Commands?
3 The brother John & the pillar to be, of Jesus Christ pbuh, St Peter, objected vehemently with the mutilations by Paul. Even the theology of Trinity. Therefore they parted their ways from Paul. But the Adulterous CHRISTIANS did not like the restrictions commanded by Jesus Christ pbuh, therefore they readily favoured Paul. Even today there are some who don't follow Pauline Christianity.
4. Can GOD ALMIGHTY describe Fornication, Adultery, Incest, Gambling, Alcohol, Usury, baring women' body to incite lust, eating Pork etc?
The list goes on about Paul's satanic actions & lustful desires.
Read your Bible completly on your own, wishing that GOD ALMIGHTY guides you to the truth.
@@saifuddinlakdawala8988 thats what i always did. I prayed that God would inspire me and guide me and then read the bible. Bible scholars are more on showmanship than scholarship. There are serious problems with erhmann's work. But why should we accept that Brant is better than Erhmann?
You can see from the comments above. People are praising the author the.messenger while forgetting what is the.message?
I presume you are Muslim. Your religion has more discipline. The Quran is the word of God. No one allowed to question it. Period. You dont have Muslim research scholars saying this verse contradicts that verse and leading the Ummah to confusion.
@@abrahamdecruz5128 still you are off the track.
Dr Ehrman claims that he is not analysing the Bible from religious point but purely on the glaring inconsistencies in the Bible. He goes word by word & therefore there is no error in his work. I fail to understand your statement that "there are serious problems in his work". How?
Just for an example, he says take your four main Gospels & check the account of Resurrection & Ascension of Jesus Christ pbuh. If you write it down & put them side by side you will see the incongruous versions.
Do you think that your Holy Ghost, who is one of the Trinity, inspired these main four Gospel writers wrongly?
Dr Ehrman's claims that the Bible is not original but is a copy of the copy of the copy....... many times more....... obviously many types of errors, both unintentional & intentional, has crept in your present Bible. So now when you read the Bible nobody tells you which words are altered? Correct, isn't it? Your Holy Ghost doesn't whisper the truth in your ears!
Dr Ehrman informs you that there are 55000 manuscripts with CHRISTIANS but no two manuscripts are matching! Why I am telling you this is because the masses are fooled by the Church, both, Orthodox & Protestants, that the Bible is the word of God & in support claim these manuscripts as proof. And the poor CHRISTIANDOM does not doubt it.
If you are calling yourself to be CHRISTIAN, then why don't you follow his teachings?
Actually Jesus was the Christ & not Paul. So why follow Paul?
Paul has abolished all teachings of Jesus Christ pbuh & still you call yourself CHRISTIANS, isn't it illogical?
Some of the misgivings of Paul I have listed above.
Paul has changed the trends of GOD ALMIGHTY'S RELIGION FROM ADAM (PUBH) TO MOHAMMAD (PUBH).
Do you think that Paul can be right? Can he be greater than GOD ALMIGHTY? (NAUZUBILLAH)
Dr Ehrman's research is verifiable by you yourself, don't discredit his efforts without showing any incorrectness in his works
My dear friend, my final example about Bible.
The Bible has many types of INCEST. Do you know what is INCEST? It is the sexual intercourse between close blood relation, like brother and sister, father and daughter or daughter in law, mother and son or son in law etc etc. So when your children or even grown up CHRISTIANS do abominable INCEST, they can excuse themselves saying it is mentioned in the Bible.
Will GOD ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE put & vividly describe, in HIS BOOK OF GUIDANCE (Bible) such abominable ACTS?
Do you want to call Bible as fully words of GOD ALMIGHTY?
THINK MAN THINK!
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Acts 3
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you,
15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Jesus Christ is fully God himself according to the Holy scriptures... Believe what the scriptures says for your salvation...
@@emmachigozirim7012
Could you post that verse for me??
It doesn’t exist
@@mitchellc4 Isaiah 9 vs 6, John 1 vs 1-3, John 10:30, Col 2:9, Col 1 vs 15 -21, Heb 1 vs 1 - 3, 6, 8-12, Phil 2 vs 5-6, Titus 2 :13, Isaiah 7:13, Matt 1 vs 23, Isaiah 40 vs 3, John 14 vs 8-9, 1 John 5 vs 7, 20, John 20 vs 28, Rom 9 vs 5... Jesus Christ been God and creator and sustainer of all things are written all over the scriptures from old to new Testaments..
@@emmachigozirim7012
Obviously none of those say “Jesus is fully God”
Nor do they argue Jesus is God Almighty
Jesus has a God
Who is Jesus’s God?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rev 1
6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 3
12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
John 20
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
@@mitchellc4 So is He half God ? When the scriptures calls Him (Jesus Christ) God over all, that He is one with God, He was called 'Lord' and 'God' and was worshipped by men, all the Angels and all of Creation worshipped Him, He was said to be the Creator and Sustainer of all things, He was also referred to as the Great God and Saviour, even He was said to be the Almighty in Rev 1 : 8, He even accord the very name of God Almighty to Himself, showing that He is God himself, He was said to be Eternal, unchanging, omnipresent, omniscience and even omnipotent. He is the Mighty God and Eternal Father according to the scriptures, He was said to be YHWH (Yahweh) whose way was said to be prepared, even God the Father Himself refers to Jesus Christ as God and also Lord and ascribe the works of Creation to Him, in fact the scripture categorical stated that All the fullness of the Godhead (Almighty God) was in Christ, etc.. There are so numerous scriptures where the Deity of Christ Jesus were fully affirmed, yet you do not believe. Even for you to be saved you must affirm to the Deity of Christ Jesus, because you must confess the 'Lordship' of Christ Jesus for you to be saved. Affirming and confessing the Lordship of Jesus Christ is declaring the Supremacy and Sovereignty of Christ Jesus over your life and existence. Who has the Supremacy and Sovereignty over your life if not God Almighty, this shows that Christ Jesus is God. And this is a Central Christian believe,
It is so unfortunate that you decided to turn a blind eye on what the scriptures teaches.. Christ came down in form of a man, so not surprise that He exhibited these human characters, it is based on His human nature, though He is fully God... He was fully God and fully Man...
God bless you Dr Pitre❤❤
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction ".....