Dr John Rao speaks on the topic of Americanism. His writing on it is found here jcrao.freeshell... for many more lectures by Dr Rao please visit www.keepthefait...
Thank you for this I was raised in Baptist faith baptized at 12 never had confession. I in 1995 entered the one true Holy Apostolic Catholic faith been a joy and growth.
+Jack Palkovic "God elected (elects) individuals to salvation" which means He also elects those who will be damned for all eternity. This is a wicked wicked man-made doctrine found in Reformed Theology. To believe this theology is to make God into some sort of divine puppeteer and this life simply becomes some sort of grand puppet show. Salvation is a free gift from God and there is nothing we can do to earn that salvation, but contrary to Reform Theology, we have free will and can reject that gift. We have the ability, through grace, to cooperate or not to cooperate with that grace that leads to salvation. You say the speaker does not fully understand Reform Theology, and that may be true, but I would also suspect you do not fully understand Catholic Theology. The Catholic Church's teaching on the priesthood is that there is really only one priest, i.e. Jesus, and Catholic priests only share in the one priesthood of Christ.
"So why is God wicked for not giving extraordinary grace to people if grace is not owed?" It is wicked because, in the absence of free will, there can be neither moral culpability for sin nor anything but meaningless capriciousness in God's election, and therefore no justice in any of it. Your "God" is Satan himself, Calvinist.
I converted to Catholicism in 1970. I agree with Dr. Rao completely. I especially laugh about his talk on Puritanism. I think epecially about some Pentecostal cousins I have. I can explain, slowly and simply, the puritanical elements in their particular faith, and all I get are looks of incomprehension, or argument. But, throughout my own life, I have dealt with this depression and low degree of appreciation and involvement in the beauty of Catholicism. Christmas rolls around and, again, I am not into it as I should be. It seems the American Protestant-Puritantism has always had a strange hold on me. I am intellectually aware of the limitations, even ugliness, of Puritanism with its reducing Christianity and all around in our culture to bare minimums, but I find myself struggling to throw off my own puritanical possession. Or, maybe it is clinical depression. I have always felt lost in the United States. I see all around its culture is atomized and, well, puritanical, either religiously or secularly. But, I could not leave the Catholic Faith. The alternative would be ridiculous. All the Protestant denominations, a bunch of ludicrious ernestness, Bible-thumping, anti-intellectualness, claiming their church the real thing. Yes, I would say the American Puritanism, religious or secular is a very real thing. Pressing down, at least pressing down on me.
He's talking about the practical effects of Sola Fide, and how it applies to every day life and how its application can be studied throughout history. This is why 500 years after the Protestant Revolt, Christian civilization has descended into a hell hole of sin, without any regulatory means to bring back virtue into our society. Every individual has become a God unto himself, that is modernity in a nutshell, and it begins with the concept of individual conscience at the revolt. We see a further escalation of this during the Enlightenment, which ironically enough is a sibling movement of the Protestant Revolt. Again, if the Holy Spirit were to guide every individual on a personal basis, then we would see more unity within the body of believers of Christ, either that or the Holy Spirit is really the Spirit of confusion. Just as we have seen no unity within the body of believers in Protestantism, this naturally extends to the greater elements of society as a whole, particularly in the modern political systems of the west, and all the chaos that has ensued over the past 500 plus years. Dr Rao is brilliant in making this observation!
I have yet to watch the video. Strangely came to the comments first. I am reading Fr. Ripperger's Topics on Tradition. I'm in the third chapter, and now I think the definitive concept behind all the trouble is immanentism. It defines how the modern Protestants grasp everything else. Sadly, it also defines how most Vatican II Catholics see everything.
@@seriouscat2231 Good point, I have had Protestants tell me that it does not matter how deep our country slides into sin or even if we particpate and enable the decline because we will be "raptured outa here" before it gets "really bad"
@@errorsofmodernism9715, being a former Protestant, though not in the US, I did meet some people who had quite absurd beliefs, especially among Pentecostals, but none that really looked forward to any rapture solving their problems. I believe that most of Protestantism in the US is actually a show run by secret societies and all their big preachers are high-ranking members in them. This is also why they focus 100% on sex and politics.
I like this guy. He sounds like Woody Allen, and that actually makes it easier to listen to the entire lecture without getting bored or falling asleep, because he makes it interesting. Thank you for posting this! :)
To the whomever runs this TH-cam page, thank you! Please if you can, recommend to Professor Rao to give a lecture about how Protestantism destroyed English culture and even the English monarchy from Henry VIII until now.
+Jack Palkovic The book is by Philip J. Lee, "Against the Protestant Gnostic". A fantastic book. He shows that American Protestantism is an inverted Calvinism which means that this inverted Calvinism is Gnosticism. It is really the nullification of Christianity.
That remark from the woman in the first couple of minutes sums up Americanism perfectly, criticise just one aspect of the US and you're instantly a communist
In Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, Pope Leo XIII points out that "Americanism" should only be condemned if that term is being used to describe the view of those who “would have the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world.” In other words, there is nothing wrong with Americanism if that term is being used to describe all of those teachings of St. Robert Bellarmine that we find in the Declaration of Independence (viz.: political power and rights come from God; all men are created equal; political power is given by the consent of the people to the government; governments are instituted to secure people’s rights; and the people can alter or abolish their form of government if there be legitimate cause).
Those last three things do not come from Saint Bellarmine at all, they come from anti-Catholic enlightenment thinkers. Also, nobody said anything about the terms, it’s about the concepts.
"Protestantism is effete, powerless, dying out and conscious that its last moment is come when it is fairly set, face to face, with Catholic truth." - Archbishop John Hughes
The American Principles of Government: Stated and Defended in Advance by St. Robert Bellarmine “Bellarmine, strange as it may seem, has perhaps the greatest claim to the gratitude of the people of the United States, because he stated and defended in advance those principles of government which the United States have made their own and upon which their government firmly rests. If we of the United States were to have a patron - and in our case a political - saint (Protestant in large part though we be), we might indeed do well to choose the Cardinal and sainted Bellarmine.” ~ James Brown Scott, Professor of International Law, Roman Law and Jurisprudence in Georgetown University, 1939 (1) Notes: 1. Scott, James Brown, Law, the State, and the International Community, Vol. I (New York: Columbia University Press, 1939), p. 546.
The Declaration of Independence: "An Accurate Transcript of the Catholic Mind" “If the Declaration [of Independence] is ‘an expression of the American mind,’ it is, to say the least, somewhat remarkable that it should be such an accurate transcript of the Catholic mind.” ~ Rev. Dr. Alfred O’Rahilly, recipient of The Order of St. Gregory the Great and President of University College Cork, 1919 (1) Notes: 1. O’Rahilly, Alfred, “The Sources of English and American Democracy,” (Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, Vol. 8, No. 30, Irish Province of the Society of Jesus, June, 1919), p. 209.
Why, then, did the Catholics nearly all back George III? Why did Sam Adams slander an Irish immigrant who witnessed the so-called "boston massacre" and defended the British soldiers involved as a papist, telling people to ignore him because of his Catholic faith? Why has this nation been so consistently and militantly anti-Catholic from the start until JFK, and then only changing when the man promised that his country came before his faith in all matters? One cannot biblically make a case for rebellion over such trivialities. All the so-called "abuses" of the British were in response to acts of violence on the part of the colonists. Do recall that the so-called "taxation" was in reality trivial trade duties, which, according to Ben Franklin, all colonists agreed were perfectly acceptable, at least in his London interview in 1763: “I never heard an objection to the right of laying duties to regulate commerce . . . I know that whenever the subject has occurred in conversation where I have been present, it has appeared to be the opinion of every one that we could not be taxed by a Parliament wherein we were not represented. But the payment of duties laid by an act of Parliament as regulations of commerce was never disputed.” And also, please recall that in this wonderful "Catholic" declaration, Jefferson refers to the institution of an "arbitrary law" in a "neighboring province." That province is Quebec, and the revolutionaries were upset by this solely because it meant the Catholics got autonomy, and they could not stand that; they HATED Catholicism. By the way, I am a Protestant. This site has some conspiracist views, but these articles effectively expose the revolution for what it was: jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/the-american-revolution-part-i-the-secrets-buried-at-lexington-green/ jamesperloff.com/tag/american-revolution/
Why wouldn't Catholic Americans be pro-American? American is what they are, American is their ethnic cultural identity not any European culture. That's at least what Europeans always tell us Americans (especially the Irish).
@asurrealistworld4412 because a true catholic would be able to discern and understand America is a anti Christian nation that is a type of anti christ. This is not hyperbole.
Bellarmine’s Theory of Government: Acted on by the Framers of the American Constitution “Bellarmine’s teaching on the subject of the State and of law and government is, in its more characteristic and fundamental points, the same as the theory acted on by those chiefly responsible for the framing and the sound and successful interpretation of our American Constitution.” ~ Rev. Moorhouse F.X. Millar, S.J., Head, Department of Political Science, Fordham University, New York, 1930 (1) Notes: 1. Millar, Moorhouse F.X., “Bellarmine and the American Constitution,” (Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, Vol. 19, No. 75, Irish Province of the Society of Jesus, September, 1930), p. 361.
Catholic Saints are today's God's messengers or like the prophets of the Old Testament. That's the role of Mary , the Blessed Mother of Christ today, and other Saints; they are God's messengers. To help us to encounter the sign of our times. Specially in respond to the bad occurrences or immoralities of the modern age.
Very good points Dr Rao. But when you look at countries where the Catholic faith was far more important in their governments, (France, Germany, Austria, etc.), they have less Catholic faith than America.
What about John Locke? He was a philosopher that the founders were enamoured by. The netherlands had the 1st Constitution which inspired ours and the American flag, Statue of Liberty, Lousiana etc have French Catholic influences. Boston Tea Party was a Catholic city too.
It's also probable the gay revolution started in Boston. There was a newspaper, culture and manifesto that started there. Yeah, we've lost our way. We should renovate and Conscrate the Statue of Liberty to be the Blessed Mother. That would be amazing.
Unitarianism may be styled the religion of the US. It was the religion of the writers of Simpsons, which became its popular Sunday evening long running show.
"Thanks are due to the equity of the laws which obtain in America and to the customs of the well-ordered Republic. For the Church amongst you, unopposed by the Constitution and government of your nation, fettered by no hostile legislation, protected against violence by the common laws and the impartiality of the tribunals, is free to live and act without hindrance.” ~ Pope Leo XIII, Longinqua, #6 (a letter to the Archbishops and Bishops of the United States, given at Rome, at St. Peter's, on the feast of the Epiphany, the sixth day of January, 1895)
“Many an American, having by heart the Declaration of Independence, would be astonished if he should learn that in substance, if not in form, the truths which Thomas Jefferson - who drafted the Declaration - held to be ‘self-evident’ are to be found in the section on _De Laicis_ of Cardinal Bellarmine’s famous _Controversiae_ [1586].” ~ James Brown Scott, Professor of International Law, Roman Law and Jurisprudence in Georgetown University, 1934 (1) Notes: 1. Scott, James Brown, _The Catholic Conception of International Law_ (Washington, D.C.: Georgetown University Press, 1934), p. 425.
Pope Leo XIII's “admiration for the Constitution of the United States”: “We wish that Your Eminence would express to the President [Grover Cleveland] all our admiration for the Constitution of the United States, not only because it permits active, intelligent citizens to achieve such a high level of prosperity, but also because under its protection, Catholics have enjoyed a liberty that has undoubt-edly spurred their extraordinary religious development in the past and that will permit them we believe to further America’s political institutions in the future.” ~ Pope Leo XIII, in a letter to the Cardinal of Baltimore, 1887 (1) Notes: 1. Zaratti, Alfonso, _The Work of the Catholic Church in the United States of America_ (Rome: Nardini, 1956), p. 271.
The American Revolution: Supported by the Writings of St. Robert Bellarmine “[I]t should be a satisfaction to Catholics to know that the fundamental pronouncements upon which was built the greatest of modern revolutions [the American Revolution], found their best support in the writings of a Prince of the Church [St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, 1542-1621].” ~ Gaillard Hunt, Chief of Manuscripts Division, Library of Congress, 1917 (1) Notes: 1. Hunt, Gaillard, “The Virginia Declaration of Rights and Cardinal Bellarmine,” (The Catholic Historical Review, Vol. 3, No. 3, Catholic University of America Press, October, 1917), p. 289.
It isn't intellectually fair, or honest, to lay the consequences of "secularized" Calvinists at the feet of Calvinists. A secularized "city on a hill" - having no God to Whom obedience is due - will of course be different from the "city on a hill" preached by Winthrop.
@@lorefox201 No, it isn't the logical conclusion. Secularism isn't derived from any Calvinist principle, and more than from any Augustinian principle (since Calvinism is simply nuanced Augustinianism). And Calvinism is no more to be blamed for its supposed "secularized" version of itself than Christianity is to be blamed for any brand of atheism.
@@noxvenit first of all no, Calvinism is in immediate and irreconciliable conflict with "Augustinism" ("patristic philosophy of the Church"). Second yes it's the logical conclusion. It goes through puritanism, to Unitarian universalism and from there to modern liberalism. You can trace the evolution of the idea through the centuries.
@@lorefox201 No, it didn't simply "go through...Unitarian universalism and from there to modern liberalism." Those schools first dropped something very critical which, being dropped, made them no longer Calvinists. You're reasoning is historical post hoc, not properly theological. "Calvinism is in immediate and irreconciliable conflict with "Augustinism".... ~ A very good thesis statement. Now please offer up the best supporting argument you have, especially in view of the fact that many scholars argue that Augustine, far from maintaining the "patristic philosophy of the Church" actually constitutes a departure from that philosophy.
Thank you for this I was raised in Baptist faith baptized at 12 never had confession. I in 1995 entered the one true Holy Apostolic Catholic faith been a joy and growth.
+Jack Palkovic "God elected (elects) individuals to salvation" which means He also elects those who will be damned for all eternity. This is a wicked wicked man-made doctrine found in Reformed Theology. To believe this theology is to make God into some sort of divine puppeteer and this life simply becomes some sort of grand puppet show. Salvation is a free gift from God and there is nothing we can do to earn that salvation, but contrary to Reform Theology, we have free will and can reject that gift. We have the ability, through grace, to cooperate or not to cooperate with that grace that leads to salvation. You say the speaker does not fully understand Reform Theology, and that may be true, but I would also suspect you do not fully understand Catholic Theology. The Catholic Church's teaching on the priesthood is that there is really only one priest, i.e. Jesus, and Catholic priests only share in the one priesthood of Christ.
+ella hope welcome home, Ella
Jesus gives the Apostles the power to forgive sins. Try again, heretic.
"So why is God wicked for not giving extraordinary grace to people if grace is not owed?" It is wicked because, in the absence of free will, there can be neither moral culpability for sin nor anything but meaningless capriciousness in God's election, and therefore no justice in any of it. Your "God" is Satan himself, Calvinist.
Camo Jack you just acknowledge people had free will. Which one is it? No to free will or yes to free will.
I converted to Catholicism in 1970. I agree with Dr. Rao completely. I especially laugh about his talk on Puritanism. I think epecially about some Pentecostal cousins I have. I can explain, slowly and simply, the puritanical elements in their particular faith, and all I get are looks of incomprehension, or argument. But, throughout my own life, I have dealt with this depression and low degree of appreciation and involvement in the beauty of Catholicism. Christmas rolls around and, again, I am not into it as I should be. It seems the American Protestant-Puritantism has always had a strange hold on me. I am intellectually aware of the limitations, even ugliness, of Puritanism with its reducing Christianity and all around in our culture to bare minimums, but I find myself struggling to throw off my own puritanical possession. Or, maybe it is clinical depression. I have always felt lost in the United States. I see all around its culture is atomized and, well, puritanical, either religiously or secularly. But, I could not leave the Catholic Faith. The alternative would be ridiculous. All the Protestant denominations, a bunch of ludicrious ernestness, Bible-thumping, anti-intellectualness, claiming their church the real thing. Yes, I would say the American Puritanism, religious or secular is a very real thing. Pressing down, at least pressing down on me.
I have one complaint. It needs to be longer :D
Really fantastic. John C. Rao is not only a fine Catholic traditionalist but a fantastic scholar on other merits.
He's talking about the practical effects of Sola Fide, and how it applies to every day life and how its application can be studied throughout history. This is why 500 years after the Protestant Revolt, Christian civilization has descended into a hell hole of sin, without any regulatory means to bring back virtue into our society. Every individual has become a God unto himself, that is modernity in a nutshell, and it begins with the concept of individual conscience at the revolt. We see a further escalation of this during the Enlightenment, which ironically enough is a sibling movement of the Protestant Revolt. Again, if the Holy Spirit were to guide every individual on a personal basis, then we would see more unity within the body of believers of Christ, either that or the Holy Spirit is really the Spirit of confusion. Just as we have seen no unity within the body of believers in Protestantism, this naturally extends to the greater elements of society as a whole, particularly in the modern political systems of the west, and all the chaos that has ensued over the past 500 plus years. Dr Rao is brilliant in making this observation!
I have yet to watch the video. Strangely came to the comments first. I am reading Fr. Ripperger's Topics on Tradition. I'm in the third chapter, and now I think the definitive concept behind all the trouble is immanentism. It defines how the modern Protestants grasp everything else. Sadly, it also defines how most Vatican II Catholics see everything.
@@seriouscat2231 Good point, I have had Protestants tell me that it does not matter how deep our country slides into sin or even if we particpate and enable the decline because we will be "raptured outa here" before it gets "really bad"
@@errorsofmodernism9715, being a former Protestant, though not in the US, I did meet some people who had quite absurd beliefs, especially among Pentecostals, but none that really looked forward to any rapture solving their problems. I believe that most of Protestantism in the US is actually a show run by secret societies and all their big preachers are high-ranking members in them. This is also why they focus 100% on sex and politics.
The KINGDOM of God is neither a republic nor is it a democracy, it is a MONARCHY.
Lord of lords and King of kings.
I like this guy. He sounds like Woody Allen, and that actually makes it easier to listen to the entire lecture without getting bored or falling asleep, because he makes it interesting. Thank you for posting this! :)
What he was saying about their total hatred of creation snacks of Gnosticism
To the whomever runs this TH-cam page, thank you! Please if you can, recommend to Professor Rao to give a lecture about how Protestantism destroyed English culture and even the English monarchy from Henry VIII until now.
Interesting lecture. I had never comprehended Geneva on the level of Moscow during the Soviet era. Good clarity!
David Alvarez Also, the connection between total depravity and the characteristic trait of protestant notions like sola fide etc. Very helpful.
+Jack Palkovic The book is by Philip J. Lee, "Against the Protestant Gnostic". A fantastic book. He shows that American Protestantism is an inverted Calvinism which means that this inverted Calvinism is Gnosticism. It is really the nullification of Christianity.
Calvinism is the idiotic, illogical and Satanic doctrine that is going to send you body and soul straight to your Calvinist 'God' in Hell.
One of the best SF talks yet! Thanks SF!
That remark from the woman in the first couple of minutes sums up Americanism perfectly, criticise just one aspect of the US and you're instantly a communist
That was BRILLIANT!
Who is this man?
Thanks for posting!
In Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, Pope Leo XIII points out that "Americanism" should only be condemned if that term is being used to describe the view of those who “would have the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world.” In other words, there is nothing wrong with Americanism if that term is being used to describe all of those teachings of St. Robert Bellarmine that we find in the Declaration of Independence (viz.: political power and rights come from God; all men are created equal; political power is given by the consent of the people to the government; governments are instituted to secure people’s rights; and the people can alter or abolish their form of government if there be legitimate cause).
Those last three things do not come from Saint Bellarmine at all, they come from anti-Catholic enlightenment thinkers. Also, nobody said anything about the terms, it’s about the concepts.
"Protestantism is effete, powerless, dying out and conscious that its last moment is come when it is fairly set, face to face, with Catholic truth." - Archbishop John Hughes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hughes_(archbishop_of_New_York)
No chance.
The American Principles of Government: Stated and Defended in Advance by St. Robert Bellarmine
“Bellarmine, strange as it may seem, has perhaps the greatest claim to the gratitude of the people of the United States, because he stated and defended in advance those principles of government which the United States have made their own and upon which their government firmly rests. If we of the United States were to have a patron - and in our case a political - saint (Protestant in large part though we be), we might indeed do well to choose the Cardinal and sainted Bellarmine.” ~ James Brown Scott, Professor of International Law, Roman Law and Jurisprudence in Georgetown University, 1939 (1)
Notes:
1. Scott, James Brown, Law, the State, and the International Community, Vol. I (New York: Columbia University Press, 1939), p. 546.
The Declaration of Independence: "An Accurate Transcript of the Catholic Mind"
“If the Declaration [of Independence] is ‘an expression of the American mind,’ it is, to say the least, somewhat remarkable that it should be such an accurate transcript of the Catholic mind.” ~ Rev. Dr. Alfred O’Rahilly, recipient of The Order of St. Gregory the Great and President of University College Cork, 1919 (1)
Notes:
1. O’Rahilly, Alfred, “The Sources of English and American Democracy,” (Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, Vol. 8, No. 30, Irish Province of the Society of Jesus, June, 1919), p. 209.
Why, then, did the Catholics nearly all back George III? Why did Sam Adams slander an Irish immigrant who witnessed the so-called "boston massacre" and defended the British soldiers involved as a papist, telling people to ignore him because of his Catholic faith? Why has this nation been so consistently and militantly anti-Catholic from the start until JFK, and then only changing when the man promised that his country came before his faith in all matters? One cannot biblically make a case for rebellion over such trivialities. All the so-called "abuses" of the British were in response to acts of violence on the part of the colonists.
Do recall that the so-called "taxation" was in reality trivial trade duties, which, according to Ben Franklin, all colonists agreed were perfectly acceptable, at least in his London interview in 1763:
“I never heard an objection to the right of laying duties to regulate commerce . . . I know that whenever the subject has occurred in conversation where I have been present, it has appeared to be the opinion of every one that we could not be taxed by a Parliament wherein we were not represented. But the payment of duties laid by an act of Parliament as regulations of commerce was never disputed.”
And also, please recall that in this wonderful "Catholic" declaration, Jefferson refers to the institution of an "arbitrary law" in a "neighboring province." That province is Quebec, and the revolutionaries were upset by this solely because it meant the Catholics got autonomy, and they could not stand that; they HATED Catholicism. By the way, I am a Protestant.
This site has some conspiracist views, but these articles effectively expose the revolution for what it was:
jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/the-american-revolution-part-i-the-secrets-buried-at-lexington-green/
jamesperloff.com/tag/american-revolution/
It does seem rather odd that nearly all pro-American/pro-republicanist Catholic apologists are American or Irish.
@@bluesaberproductions8991 America is like a God to them
Why wouldn't Catholic Americans be pro-American? American is what they are, American is their ethnic cultural identity not any European culture. That's at least what Europeans always tell us Americans (especially the Irish).
@asurrealistworld4412 because a true catholic would be able to discern and understand America is a anti Christian nation that is a type of anti christ. This is not hyperbole.
Really enjoyed this talk Thank you for posting. I think this would pair nicely with some of the works of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn IMHO
Bellarmine’s Theory of Government: Acted on by the Framers of the American Constitution
“Bellarmine’s teaching on the subject of the State and of law and government is, in its more characteristic and fundamental points, the same as the theory acted on by those chiefly responsible for the framing and the sound and successful interpretation of our American Constitution.” ~ Rev. Moorhouse F.X. Millar, S.J., Head, Department of Political Science, Fordham University, New York, 1930 (1)
Notes:
1. Millar, Moorhouse F.X., “Bellarmine and the American Constitution,” (Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, Vol. 19, No. 75, Irish Province of the Society of Jesus, September, 1930), p. 361.
Catholic Saints are today's God's messengers or like the prophets of the Old Testament.
That's the role of Mary , the Blessed Mother of Christ today, and other Saints; they are God's messengers.
To help us to encounter the sign of our times.
Specially in respond to the bad occurrences or immoralities of the modern age.
Very good points Dr Rao. But when you look at countries where the Catholic faith was far more important in their governments, (France, Germany, Austria, etc.), they have less Catholic faith than America.
What about John Locke? He was a philosopher that the founders were enamoured by. The netherlands had the 1st Constitution which inspired ours and the American flag, Statue of Liberty, Lousiana etc have French Catholic influences. Boston Tea Party was a Catholic city too.
+bradyspace yes those are covered in other talks on here.
Ok thank you.
Catholic Boston? www.celebrateboston.com/intolerance/popes-day-1765.htm
It's also probable the gay revolution started in Boston. There was a newspaper, culture and manifesto that started there. Yeah, we've lost our way. We should renovate and Conscrate the Statue of Liberty to be the Blessed Mother. That would be amazing.
Unitarianism may be styled the religion of the US. It was the religion of the writers of Simpsons, which became its popular Sunday evening long running show.
Oh! Oh! Oh! This is sooooo interesting!
Brilliant!!!
"Thanks are due to the equity of the laws which obtain in America and to the customs of the well-ordered Republic. For the Church amongst you, unopposed by the Constitution and government of your nation, fettered by no hostile legislation, protected against violence by the common laws and the impartiality of the tribunals, is free to live and act without hindrance.” ~ Pope Leo XIII, Longinqua, #6 (a letter to the Archbishops and Bishops of the United States, given at Rome, at St. Peter's, on the feast of the Epiphany, the sixth day of January, 1895)
sounds like woody allen. good
Youre right i was thinking the same thing
“Many an American, having by heart the Declaration of Independence, would be astonished if he should learn that in substance, if not in form, the truths which Thomas Jefferson - who drafted the Declaration - held to be ‘self-evident’ are to be found in the section on _De Laicis_ of Cardinal Bellarmine’s famous _Controversiae_ [1586].” ~ James Brown Scott, Professor of International Law, Roman Law and Jurisprudence in Georgetown University, 1934 (1)
Notes:
1. Scott, James Brown, _The Catholic Conception of International Law_ (Washington, D.C.: Georgetown University Press, 1934), p. 425.
Pope Leo XIII's “admiration for the Constitution of the United States”:
“We wish that Your Eminence would express to the President [Grover Cleveland] all our admiration for the Constitution of the United States, not only because it permits active, intelligent citizens to achieve such a high level of prosperity, but also because under its protection, Catholics have enjoyed a liberty that has undoubt-edly spurred their extraordinary religious development in the past and that will permit them we believe to further America’s political institutions in the future.” ~ Pope Leo XIII, in a letter to the Cardinal of Baltimore, 1887 (1)
Notes:
1. Zaratti, Alfonso, _The Work of the Catholic Church in the United States of America_ (Rome: Nardini, 1956), p. 271.
The American Revolution: Supported by the Writings of St. Robert Bellarmine
“[I]t should be a satisfaction to Catholics to know that the fundamental pronouncements upon which was built the greatest of modern revolutions [the American Revolution], found their best support in the writings of a Prince of the Church [St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, 1542-1621].” ~ Gaillard Hunt, Chief of Manuscripts Division, Library of Congress, 1917 (1)
Notes:
1. Hunt, Gaillard, “The Virginia Declaration of Rights and Cardinal Bellarmine,” (The Catholic Historical Review, Vol. 3, No. 3, Catholic University of America Press, October, 1917), p. 289.
It isn't intellectually fair, or honest, to lay the consequences of "secularized" Calvinists at the feet of Calvinists. A secularized "city on a hill" - having no God to Whom obedience is due - will of course be different from the "city on a hill" preached by Winthrop.
it's the logical conclusion
@@lorefox201 No, it isn't the logical conclusion. Secularism isn't derived from any Calvinist principle, and more than from any Augustinian principle (since Calvinism is simply nuanced Augustinianism). And Calvinism is no more to be blamed for its supposed "secularized" version of itself than Christianity is to be blamed for any brand of atheism.
@@noxvenit first of all no, Calvinism is in immediate and irreconciliable conflict with "Augustinism" ("patristic philosophy of the Church").
Second yes it's the logical conclusion. It goes through puritanism, to Unitarian universalism and from there to modern liberalism. You can trace the evolution of the idea through the centuries.
@@lorefox201 No, it didn't simply "go through...Unitarian universalism and from there to modern liberalism." Those schools first dropped something very critical which, being dropped, made them no longer Calvinists. You're reasoning is historical post hoc, not properly theological.
"Calvinism is in immediate and irreconciliable conflict with "Augustinism".... ~ A very good thesis statement. Now please offer up the best supporting argument you have, especially in view of the fact that many scholars argue that Augustine, far from maintaining the "patristic philosophy of the Church" actually constitutes a departure from that philosophy.
@@noxvenit you're being willfully obtuse. When did I say that they are the exact same thing? I said that you can trace the evolution of the ideology.
8:53 Thank you! The Protestantism that exists today would make Martin Luther and John Calvin scratch their heads, it's not the same.