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@@Ln6Ec They were free for a limited time. That's expired. The website was changed to reflect that. You're browser is showing you an outdated(cached) version of the page. Either way, the price ($5) is clear before you check out.
@@robertabrahams7593 Yes, in some countries they say Rabbet (spelled differently than rabbit, which is the animal), and in others they say Rebate. To us, a "rebate" is something you get back as an incentive to make a purchase.
@@StumpyNubs Silly English speaking countries, using the same word but with different meanings! My personal favorite is the element Francium, which here we say as "Franse-ium" like the country, but in Britain, it's pronounced "Frank-ium"
I love how tight and focused the content is. I see other creators use too many words to communicate an idea. This video could have been twice as long but I doubt it would have been any better
You never cease to amaze me on how you manage to keep coming up with good content for those of us that have experience but are always looking to learn more
Outstanding. Builds nicely with application on your preceding lesson about combining simple profile bits. Thanks for the great advice about always cutting on the edge toward the operator when widening grooves. Not obvious since I would have still been moving right to left against the fence. Of course, I expect I would have found out fairly quickly.
Hey Stump, they say timing is everything. The timing of this video couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I am doing some remolding work for our church. The current windows are trimmed out with plain flat stock. We wanted to dress them up a bit but the fancier trims get expensive. Your tips will certainly do the job and keep us on budget. Thanks and have a Great Day!
When I first started setting up my shop, I found a cool little Kobalt Router with a table for only like $30. It looked brand new, it didn't even have any sawdust on it. So, bought it. And its been sitting under my assembly bench for 3 years now lol. I'm liking these new videos. I'm thinking about pulling the table out.
Very nice video. I have a full shaper and when I bought it the guy threw in a 1 gallon paint can full of different shaper profile bits. I actually bought it more for the fun of restoring it than using it, the table dates from the early 1960's. But it's been pretty handy, I've used it to duplicate a custom handrail my father had on his deck that rotted out and needed to be replaced. Same technique as you have here, just run the wood through multiple times with different bits you can create almost endless profiles. I hadn't thought to glue in more gingerbread where the bits lack in the profiles that's a great tip for interior pieces that don't see rain. Great tip about shaping/routing the full board first then cutting the routed edge off, rather than the reverse. One nice thing about the shaper is it's so fast and powerful that you can run construction grade 2x4's full of knots through it without worrying about kickbacks and create some pretty stuff that way. I'll point out that the costs of frames and framing are so much higher than a new bit profile that when your wife wants a picture framed it's a great justification for adding another one to your collection, LOL. And shaper bits are all over Ebay really cheap!
Wow! It's not often you get a craftsman with the confidence to move away from his craft into the realms of product design. Your tutorials are always excellent but this is probably the best I've seen.
Mm! That was different. It's not often you see a YT craftsman move away from his craft to give a lecture on product design. Your vi'ds are always excellent but this is one of the best.
I made a fancy-looking frame, 52" x 35", using fancy-looking chair railing purchased from Home Depot, gluing 1x2 on the back leaving a reveal of about 1/4" to front the picture. Then I mitered 4 lengths and joined them to create the frame, then spray painted them with a combination of colors making a gold look. Then I antiqued the front by rubbing brown paint on the front and wiping it off. Spray painted the outside edges black semigloss. It looks like a much more expensive frame!
Thanks for the great lessons James, the extra decorations help on some projects and learning how to make them eases the burden. You’re appreciated. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻✋🏻✋🏻
Nice demo. I plan to use it for some exterior window molding that is a 100 years old that needs replacing. The vintage profiles would be expensive to have custom make for the 25 feet that I actually need. As usual you have given me food for thought. Keep up the good work.
Like your show planning to start wood working has a hobby. I was given my wife great grandfather bench vise that's covered in rust and his old Stanley router that is super scary. I used the electric router once already and since it has no safety features I put a red label to always to unplug it before changing bits.
Beautiful work. I need to get a replacement router. I made my own table last year, but someone was lazy and left it outside where it got rained on. Now it has about 60rpm of power! Id love a proper table some day.
Thanks for posting. You mentioned stains and dyes, but understandably did not venture far down that tangent. Do you work much with dyes? Would dyes be a good idea for a video of their own? As no more than one subscriber, I'd like to see it. As just one hobbyist, I would enjoy playing around with dies, especially across species and preparing supplies for marquetry, which would be another topic still. Again, thanks for the channel, postings, tips, tricks, and encouragement.
Loving the safety tips as well as the great variety of profiles. The 'make it look 3d' without the bulk is something I really appreciated. Great timing as well... Got holiday gifts for which these framing ideas and tips are just what's needed. Thanks much, again (been saying that a lot lately on your channel!!)
Wow, really fancy! I probably need to build a router table... I don't honestly have a need for frames right now but this has me curious, I think I have most of the bits (though many may be the cheap ones I bought in a starter set)
Hi Mate . I'm Lee from the UK. I'm a carpenter but that really just means your a fitter in the UK not a joiner. They have recently given me the new training academy to run . I'm teaching them site carpentry but also bench work and I have learned alot from your videos. Just one question I have is . How comes you don't sharpen your pencil like a hypodemic needle with a block plane. I use 2 or 4h pencils ur lines do look wide to me and I think my students would find them hard to hit precisely. I just bought a router plane and some narex chisels the 10 piece set. Anyway my guys love watching ur videos . If u could do some on fitting door frames and wall panels I'd love to see your take on it. I make them all use a plum Bob the laser I think is not good enough . Cheers Lee
Did this 30 years ago with a hand-held router to make mouldings ~10cm deep for a chest, using just the bits that Bosch supplied with the router. Did the feet the same way. Worked in the "good old-fashioned" way, too: no dust extraction, no eye or ear protection, no problems. Wouldn't do it nowadays, but It'd probably take twice as long.
Very neat, creative, and helpful! Thanks! I noticed the “final result” clips for the first and second frames you made are in the wrong order, just FYI. (In other words, you put the second frame’s final result clip immediately after showing how you made the first frame, etc.)
Thank you again for another good video very thoughtfulI . I'm a picture frame neerd and I have been trying to figure out how to get more advanced profiles. Thank you. I purchased your frame making down load how long does it take to receive it. Cheers from Alaska
Nice video. Any plans to do a video on picture frames for those of us that don't own a table saw and router table? I've got a miter saw and palm router and thinking I should be able to use them to create some decent picture frames. Maybe not as fancy as yours, but something I could be proud of.
Thanks for this helpful video! My biggest issue is experiencing snipe at the end of the cut with my table router. I would greatly appreciate your guidance on how to avoid this. Thanks!
If you are removing the entire edge, the workpiece has to turn a bit toward the fence on the outfeed side (left) to close the gap created and make contact with the fence again. It makes little difference during most of the cut because that turn merely rotates the workpiece a little. But at the end of the cut when the end of the workpiece comes off the bit, the movement is more abrupt and snipe is created.
If you were going to join the corners of the frame with half lap miters, would you cut the miters first, then rout to build the profile, or would you make a length of profile and then cut the half lap miter?
This may have been asked before, but what kind of wood are you using in this video? It looks like pine or spruce, but then again I'm no wood expert. Thanks for the video, it's great!
For the issue with keeping irregular pieces steady while cutting, could you do something like a jointer where there's an adjustable guide on the outfeed (or even infeed) side that provides consistent points of contact to keep a workpiece steady? It doesn't have to be an exact profile, just something you can press against to maintain a certain angle.
If you are removing the entire edge in a pass, such as creating a full bead, it would help to have something on the outfeed side to keep the workpiece running straight. But that is difficult with some profiles.
@@StumpyNubs Would something like Sugru help in creating a quick profiled guide? Make a small 90deg fixture, press a test piece in and let it harden, then stick it against the fence (locator pins, maybe?)
I just commented on your video and had a question please disregard that question I figured it out. But I have a question about a jet 1.5 hp dust collector and I hope you will answer with all your knowledge of theese things. I'm looking at the jet 1.5 hp dust collector with 1100 CFM it also comes with a canister filter on the top. My question is will I loose much CFM by adding the super dust deputy to the system. Thank you for all the information you provided for us. Sam hoschar from Petersburg Alaska
This was great!! Thanks for putting this together!! Curious question, couldn't you also use feather boards either on the top of the fence or on the table to also provide pressure into the bit?
I have absolutely no interest In heavily profiled moldings and frames, even though I have made them in the past for clients using similar methods to yours. Even still, these videos are well worth the watch, and I always pick up some random tip that’s useful!
I agree. For my photographs and composites I prefer simple black frames. I may incorporate some of these profiles in the future, although I’ll probably stain or paint them all black. You’re certainly right about the general content Jim creates; I almost always learn something I didn’t know beforehand!
I was once a professional picture framer in Australia....the technique here is demonstrated with only short lengths of timber. Mouldings are commercially available in lengths usually of 3 and 5 meters...making that length could be challenging using your methods...two people would be needed on the circular table saw and router table to stabilise the timber as it passes the blade ( or a moving table). Consistent profile shape over a 3 to 5 metre length is essential. Can you show us an actual complete frame you have made?
Furniture mouldings are rarely longer than a couple feet. A single side of a picture frame is usually shorter than that. Nobody is suggesting using these techniques to make crow mouldings for entire rooms.
I bought the drawings of the 10 profiles but it would be nice to see photos of what each one looks like when made. The video shows us what three of them look like but there is no image of the finished product with the purchased plans. Also, it would be nice if the "plans" indicated order of cut.
There's definitely a lot of money to be made in the art world. As in woodworking, there's surer money, maybe even bigger money in supplying artists with high quality production that meets their needs than there is in doing the art itself.
The free offer lasted for three or four years. As I said, this video is a remake of one from a few years back. It was in that old version that the plans were free, and it said "for a limited time." I think four years is long enough. So I changed it when the new video was released.
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Your website says the plans are free but it’s coming up as $5 at checkout
@@Ln6Ec They were free for a limited time. That's expired. The website was changed to reflect that. You're browser is showing you an outdated(cached) version of the page. Either way, the price ($5) is clear before you check out.
@@StumpyNubs When you use the term rabbit, is this the same as rebate as used in other parts of the world?
@@robertabrahams7593 Yes, in some countries they say Rabbet (spelled differently than rabbit, which is the animal), and in others they say Rebate. To us, a "rebate" is something you get back as an incentive to make a purchase.
@@StumpyNubs Silly English speaking countries, using the same word but with different meanings! My personal favorite is the element Francium, which here we say as "Franse-ium" like the country, but in Britain, it's pronounced "Frank-ium"
I love how tight and focused the content is. I see other creators use too many words to communicate an idea. This video could have been twice as long but I doubt it would have been any better
This is one of the few channels with sponsors, so he doesnt need to stretch the video to get ad revenue from youtube. Very nice.
Good point, one I hadnt noticed before.
You never cease to amaze me on how you manage to keep coming up with good content for those of us that have experience but are always looking to learn more
Outstanding. Builds nicely with application on your preceding lesson about combining simple profile bits. Thanks for the great advice about always cutting on the edge toward the operator when widening grooves. Not obvious since I would have still been moving right to left against the fence. Of course, I expect I would have found out fairly quickly.
The thing I like the most of your videos is how clear and calm you are when explaining.
Hey Stump, they say timing is everything. The timing of this video couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I am doing some remolding work for our church. The current windows are trimmed out with plain flat stock. We wanted to dress them up a bit but the fancier trims get expensive. Your tips will certainly do the job and keep us on budget. Thanks and have a Great Day!
This is great! I love that you show how to make complex frames with just a few common bits. Thanks so much!
Very helpful! Learned a lot today :)
When I first started setting up my shop, I found a cool little Kobalt Router with a table for only like $30. It looked brand new, it didn't even have any sawdust on it. So, bought it.
And its been sitting under my assembly bench for 3 years now lol.
I'm liking these new videos. I'm thinking about pulling the table out.
Very nice video. I have a full shaper and when I bought it the guy threw in a 1 gallon paint can full of different shaper profile bits. I actually bought it more for the fun of restoring it than using it, the table dates from the early 1960's. But it's been pretty handy, I've used it to duplicate a custom handrail my father had on his deck that rotted out and needed to be replaced. Same technique as you have here, just run the wood through multiple times with different bits you can create almost endless profiles. I hadn't thought to glue in more gingerbread where the bits lack in the profiles that's a great tip for interior pieces that don't see rain. Great tip about shaping/routing the full board first then cutting the routed edge off, rather than the reverse. One nice thing about the shaper is it's so fast and powerful that you can run construction grade 2x4's full of knots through it without worrying about kickbacks and create some pretty stuff that way.
I'll point out that the costs of frames and framing are so much higher than a new bit profile that when your wife wants a picture framed it's a great justification for adding another one to your collection, LOL. And shaper bits are all over Ebay really cheap!
Love it when you remake and update your old videos. You're teaching is wonderful.
Wow! It's not often you get a craftsman with the confidence to move away from his craft into the realms of product design.
Your tutorials are always excellent but this is probably the best I've seen.
I’m a professional cabinetmaker and I had to do this for a repair job that we didn’t have the original shaper knives for.
Dude, you have been killing it lately. Great Video.
Mm! That was different. It's not often you see a YT craftsman move away from his craft to give a lecture on product design.
Your vi'ds are always excellent but this is one of the best.
Holy picture frame batman. That's some fancy routing! I do a great 1/8" round over but maybe it's time to move it up a notch.
A nice update to your older video. As a painter I love making my own frames.
I really liked that order of operations tip for the cove vs rabbet cut.
Wow now this is a money saver thank you for the in sight, oh and keep with the safety lessons reminders are always needed
Awesome thanks. I have trouble designing frames so would love more ideas. Perhaps you might explain what doesn't work and why too?
Took you advice and got my trend. Thanks James!
Excellent video James! Now that's what I would call taking the making of picture frames to a whole new level! Thanks....... 👍👍😉😉👏👏
This is next level fantastic stuff James!
I made a fancy-looking frame, 52" x 35", using fancy-looking chair railing purchased from Home Depot, gluing 1x2 on the back leaving a reveal of about 1/4" to front the picture. Then I mitered 4 lengths and joined them to create the frame, then spray painted them with a combination of colors making a gold look. Then I antiqued the front by rubbing brown paint on the front and wiping it off. Spray painted the outside edges black semigloss. It looks like a much more expensive frame!
Fantastic. Felt like I learned a years worth of info in 9 minutes! Thanks James!
Thanks for the great lessons James, the extra decorations help on some projects and learning how to make them eases the burden. You’re appreciated. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻✋🏻✋🏻
Nice demo. I plan to use it for some exterior window molding that is a 100 years old that needs replacing. The vintage profiles would be expensive to have custom make for the 25 feet that I actually need. As usual you have given me food for thought. Keep up the good work.
Like your show planning to start wood working has a hobby. I was given my wife great grandfather bench vise that's covered in rust and his old Stanley router that is super scary. I used the electric router once already and since it has no safety features I put a red label to always to unplug it before changing bits.
Beautiful work. I need to get a replacement router. I made my own table last year, but someone was lazy and left it outside where it got rained on. Now it has about 60rpm of power! Id love a proper table some day.
WOW!!!!!!! This gives me some strive to play with my wood!!!!! LOL!!! I need to up my game!!! Great ideas Stumpy!! Thanks!!
Thanks for posting. You mentioned stains and dyes, but understandably did not venture far down that tangent. Do you work much with dyes? Would dyes be a good idea for a video of their own? As no more than one subscriber, I'd like to see it. As just one hobbyist, I would enjoy playing around with dies, especially across species and preparing supplies for marquetry, which would be another topic still. Again, thanks for the channel, postings, tips, tricks, and encouragement.
This is brilliant! Super awesome video, have a good one. Adios! 🖐
Those are some excellent teaching points. As always, thanks for the content
Very helpful as always. I find I always learn something from your channel.
This reinforces my need for a router table.
Loving the safety tips as well as the great variety of profiles. The 'make it look 3d' without the bulk is something I really appreciated. Great timing as well... Got holiday gifts for which these framing ideas and tips are just what's needed. Thanks much, again (been saying that a lot lately on your channel!!)
The caution about working hard to avoid climb cuts on the router table is IMPORTANT!
Nice tutorial as always. Learned a lot from this video.
Purchased the plans. Can't wait to try my first picture frame
Wow, really fancy! I probably need to build a router table... I don't honestly have a need for frames right now but this has me curious, I think I have most of the bits (though many may be the cheap ones I bought in a starter set)
Hi Mate . I'm Lee from the UK.
I'm a carpenter but that really just means your a fitter in the UK not a joiner.
They have recently given me the new training academy to run . I'm teaching them site carpentry but also bench work and I have learned alot from your videos.
Just one question I have is . How comes you don't sharpen your pencil like a hypodemic needle with a block plane.
I use 2 or 4h pencils ur lines do look wide to me and I think my students would find them hard to hit precisely.
I just bought a router plane and some narex chisels the 10 piece set.
Anyway my guys love watching ur videos .
If u could do some on fitting door frames and wall panels I'd love to see your take on it.
I make them all use a plum Bob the laser I think is not good enough .
Cheers Lee
Nice work Stumpy!
Fantastic, James! I'm definitely going to use a lot of those tips!!! 😃
Thanks a bunch!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Did this 30 years ago with a hand-held router to make mouldings ~10cm deep for a chest, using just the bits that Bosch supplied with the router. Did the feet the same way. Worked in the "good old-fashioned" way, too: no dust extraction, no eye or ear protection, no problems. Wouldn't do it nowadays, but It'd probably take twice as long.
Very nice video that helps with a lot of ideas 💡
Very neat, creative, and helpful! Thanks!
I noticed the “final result” clips for the first and second frames you made are in the wrong order, just FYI. (In other words, you put the second frame’s final result clip immediately after showing how you made the first frame, etc.)
Thanks for those ideas, lots of great potential there.
Excellent video! Opens up so many opportunities to make really great looking frames. I also want to check out your tablesaw sled.
This is very helpful. Thank you.
Please, specifically what stains did you use in creating these sample frames? Thank you!
Thank you again for another good video very thoughtfulI . I'm a picture frame neerd and I have been trying to figure out how to get more advanced profiles. Thank you. I purchased your frame making down load how long does it take to receive it. Cheers from Alaska
I love when you make these videos! Awesome
Thank you. Excellent video.
Thanks for sharing those tips and the make!
Nice video. Any plans to do a video on picture frames for those of us that don't own a table saw and router table? I've got a miter saw and palm router and thinking I should be able to use them to create some decent picture frames. Maybe not as fancy as yours, but something I could be proud of.
Great video, very informative!
Thanks for this helpful video! My biggest issue is experiencing snipe at the end of the cut with my table router. I would greatly appreciate your guidance on how to avoid this. Thanks!
If you are removing the entire edge, the workpiece has to turn a bit toward the fence on the outfeed side (left) to close the gap created and make contact with the fence again. It makes little difference during most of the cut because that turn merely rotates the workpiece a little. But at the end of the cut when the end of the workpiece comes off the bit, the movement is more abrupt and snipe is created.
Are you using the router fence or the bearing as a guide on those bullnose pieces?
Good job Stumpy!
If you were going to join the corners of the frame with half lap miters, would you cut the miters first, then rout to build the profile, or would you make a length of profile and then cut the half lap miter?
Thanks for all the great examples!
This may have been asked before, but what kind of wood are you using in this video? It looks like pine or spruce, but then again I'm no wood expert. Thanks for the video, it's great!
Wicked cooool! Thank you😀🙌✌ Can't wait to try these out
You, and other woodworkers, often mention using pressure sensitive double sided tape. What brand do you use? and where do you purchase it?
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Surgical tubing can be used to clamp complex longer shapes.
Great ideas, thanks.
For the issue with keeping irregular pieces steady while cutting, could you do something like a jointer where there's an adjustable guide on the outfeed (or even infeed) side that provides consistent points of contact to keep a workpiece steady? It doesn't have to be an exact profile, just something you can press against to maintain a certain angle.
If you are removing the entire edge in a pass, such as creating a full bead, it would help to have something on the outfeed side to keep the workpiece running straight. But that is difficult with some profiles.
@@StumpyNubs Would something like Sugru help in creating a quick profiled guide? Make a small 90deg fixture, press a test piece in and let it harden, then stick it against the fence (locator pins, maybe?)
Much appreciated tips
Great tutorial. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.
Any chance you can show how to route flutes on a corbel? Please and thank you.
I just commented on your video and had a question please disregard that question I figured it out. But I have a question about a jet 1.5 hp dust collector and I hope you will answer with all your knowledge of theese things. I'm looking at the jet 1.5 hp dust collector with 1100 CFM it also comes with a canister filter on the top. My question is will I loose much CFM by adding the super dust deputy to the system. Thank you for all the information you provided for us. Sam hoschar from Petersburg Alaska
You will lose some, but many folks have done it and not complained.
Can you tell the difference .table saw cross sled vs miter saw?
Which is better?.
Very helpful!
Okay, pretty cool video.
Great Tutorial!
This was great!! Thanks for putting this together!! Curious question, couldn't you also use feather boards either on the top of the fence or on the table to also provide pressure into the bit?
I have absolutely no interest In heavily profiled moldings and frames, even though I have made them in the past for clients using similar methods to yours. Even still, these videos are well worth the watch, and I always pick up some random tip that’s useful!
I agree. For my photographs and composites I prefer simple black frames. I may incorporate some of these profiles in the future, although I’ll probably stain or paint them all black. You’re certainly right about the general content Jim creates; I almost always learn something I didn’t know beforehand!
My router is finishing carbon brushes so quick. What advice or tip can you give me?
Whole lotta advice!!!
Great video thank you.
I was once a professional picture framer in Australia....the technique here is demonstrated with only short lengths of timber.
Mouldings are commercially available in lengths usually of 3 and 5 meters...making that length could be challenging using your methods...two people would be needed on the circular table saw and router table to stabilise the timber as it passes the blade ( or a moving table). Consistent profile shape over a 3 to 5 metre length is essential.
Can you show us an actual complete frame you have made?
Furniture mouldings are rarely longer than a couple feet. A single side of a picture frame is usually shorter than that. Nobody is suggesting using these techniques to make crow mouldings for entire rooms.
I bought the drawings of the 10 profiles but it would be nice to see photos of what each one looks like when made. The video shows us what three of them look like but there is no image of the finished product with the purchased plans. Also, it would be nice if the "plans" indicated order of cut.
It's it possible/safe to do frames with a handheld router, or do I need to get a table for it? Any pointers from the community?
What kind of wood are you using?
There's definitely a lot of money to be made in the art world. As in woodworking, there's surer money, maybe even bigger money in supplying artists with high quality production that meets their needs than there is in doing the art itself.
Thank you
thanks a lot!
Jim, I'm sad I didn't get on soon enough. No mention was made that limited time for the plans at 0 cost.
The free offer lasted for three or four years. As I said, this video is a remake of one from a few years back. It was in that old version that the plans were free, and it said "for a limited time." I think four years is long enough. So I changed it when the new video was released.
I ordered the plans last night but haven’t received any plans yet
5 minutes in and i've learned about 8 things already.
Thank you!!
I feel like you could make a book out of this.
Tetris - live and learn, learn and live
You my boy blue
Clever guy
Wheres the followup nail video?
Were the first couple of results out of order? ...not important though, some good ideas.
As always, Stumpy talks a lot of sense………
My wifes been nagging me for some frames recently... good timing :)
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