The ring choke trick was pretty neat. I'll have to give that a try. You can also run the tail of your climbing line through the carabiner to make your system retrievable like the pinto. You can descend one-third of your rope length. I also recommend facing the gate of the carabiner away from the anchor. A gate grinding down the trunk makes me cringe.
Camera Man, Plz focus on what he is trying to share with us ( close up ) Zoom in : ) We can hear him talking. Dont need to see everything he is saying . Thx. LOVE and APPRECIATE everything you share with us.
I have a question. What about girth hitching a sling that is long enough to girth around tree but not too long. Then use a biner with a micro pulley. Run your rope through pulley using DRT? It would choke plus give you a way to the ground smoothly.
The Grigri is NOT designed to be used “hands free” it may work ok sometimes but it’s not going to work well on ropes of the appropriate diameter to be used in tree work, and it’s not designed to work reliably without some holding the brake strand of the rope. There are many other devices like the megawatt which can be used hands free, and many are Good quality, safe and totally usable, but they are most all either more expensive or have some other significant functional drawback when compared to the Megawatt.
@@Stridertrees Thank you very much for your explanation. How would a Skylotec MARK 1PLUS perform in this situation? I belive this is OK for use "hands free"?
Superb video. Been waiting for something like this for a while. What’s the name of the device that will come out soon? I’m really enjoying Edelrid a products especially the Tree Rex.
That device is called the Megawatt and it is OUT!! You can get it from a few different online sources. looks like RockNRescue and www.karstsports.com/edelrid-megawatt-descender/
Thanks for the excellent tips! Will that Pinto pulley withstand the load if it is used in that position against the tree? Can it withstand, for example, descending with a rope?
Will it withstand? Absolutely 👍🏼 and even if the pulley fails there is the becket which would prevent catastrophic failure. Is it officially“approved by the manufacturer” No…. So of course you should never do it.
One could bomb out of a tree on a VT alone... however it would have to be an authentic blue water rope technora as it wont melt on the rope as conventional prusik material.
A Grigi is designed NOT to be used “hands free” so it would be a misuse. There are other devices on the market like the Megawatt I was using which are designed for hands free use.
Yeah it can be done with the right techniques, especially if you’re on the lighter side, and if you’re just coming down once and apply some extra friction with your second hand on the way down. The risk is that in an emergency situation when adrenaline is high and brains are low that a hitch-cord only system can get bound up suddenly or over-released, causing a dangerous and erratic descent. Also, newer climbers and bigger climbers will have a much harder time managing that hitch by itself.
@@Stridertrees I couldnt agree more. Its definitely not the best way to go about it but when your going smoothly and not trying to bomb out youll be ok. I am around 175lbs without gear. Either way I dont even use hitch cord anymore. Thanks for the reply!
If you weigh more than 200 lbs, this TreeRex harness is super uncomfortable. Digs into your kidneys, if you add a Saw, forget about it. Not enough padding for larger dudes.
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The ring choke trick was pretty neat. I'll have to give that a try. You can also run the tail of your climbing line through the carabiner to make your system retrievable like the pinto. You can descend one-third of your rope length.
I also recommend facing the gate of the carabiner away from the anchor. A gate grinding down the trunk makes me cringe.
Nice options. Much appreciated!
Enjoyed the video.
Camera Man,
Plz focus on what he is trying to share with us ( close up )
Zoom in : )
We can hear him talking.
Dont need to see everything he is saying .
Thx.
LOVE and APPRECIATE
everything you share with us.
I have a question. What about girth hitching a sling that is long enough to girth around tree but not too long. Then use a biner with a micro pulley. Run your rope through pulley using DRT? It would choke plus give you a way to the ground smoothly.
Great stuff! Thanks for the ideas. Is it OK to choke the spar for the single line and have a Petzl grigri for lowering, much like the mega watt?
The Grigri is NOT designed to be used “hands free” it may work ok sometimes but it’s not going to work well on ropes of the appropriate diameter to be used in tree work, and it’s not designed to work reliably without some holding the brake strand of the rope. There are many other devices like the megawatt which can be used hands free, and many are Good quality, safe and totally usable, but they are most all either more expensive or have some other significant functional drawback when compared to the Megawatt.
@@Stridertrees Thank you very much for your explanation. How would a Skylotec MARK 1PLUS perform in this situation? I belive this is OK for use "hands free"?
@@jakalestan5704 that device should work hands free in that use if you wanted to use it assuming you were using an appropriate rope.
Brilliant!
what rope would you recommend as your anchor rope?
Superb video. Been waiting for something like this for a while. What’s the name of the device that will come out soon? I’m really enjoying Edelrid a products especially the Tree Rex.
That device is called the Megawatt and it is OUT!! You can get it from a few different online sources. looks like RockNRescue and www.karstsports.com/edelrid-megawatt-descender/
Legend! Appreciate that. I’m in the UK so will have a look see what I can find. Keep up the great work
Legend! Appreciate that. I’m in the UK so will have a look see what I can find. Keep up the great work
Thanks for the excellent tips!
Will that Pinto pulley withstand the load if it is used in that position against the tree?
Can it withstand, for example, descending with a rope?
Will it withstand? Absolutely 👍🏼 and even if the pulley fails there is the becket which would prevent catastrophic failure. Is it officially“approved by the manufacturer” No…. So of course you should never do it.
@@Stridertrees Thanks a lot! That's what I thought it would be.
I have a Rope Logic uSaver where that Pinto pulley is used in a similar way.
Your ANSI Z133 must be newer than mine...I have zero mention of a choking anchor being required for spar work....
What about double wrapping a rope lanyard?
One could bomb out of a tree on a VT alone... however it would have to be an authentic blue water rope technora as it wont melt on the rope as conventional prusik material.
Could you use a gri gri on that set up?
A Grigi is designed NOT to be used “hands free” so it would be a misuse. There are other devices on the market like the Megawatt I was using which are designed for hands free use.
Before I switched to mechanical devices I would always come down single line on a chocked spar with just my hitch cord. Never had a problem.
Yeah it can be done with the right techniques, especially if you’re on the lighter side, and if you’re just coming down once and apply some extra friction with your second hand on the way down. The risk is that in an emergency situation when adrenaline is high and brains are low that a hitch-cord only system can get bound up suddenly or over-released, causing a dangerous and erratic descent. Also, newer climbers and bigger climbers will have a much harder time managing that hitch by itself.
@@Stridertrees I couldnt agree more. Its definitely not the best way to go about it but when your going smoothly and not trying to bomb out youll be ok. I am around 175lbs without gear. Either way I dont even use hitch cord anymore. Thanks for the reply!
What chest system is that?
Dark glasses boyz…mmmm
If you weigh more than 200 lbs, this TreeRex harness is super uncomfortable. Digs into your kidneys, if you add a Saw, forget about it. Not enough padding for larger dudes.