EPYC for Desktop: It's finally here! (and cheap too)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ever wanted a cheap entry into the world of EPYC? AMD is announcing its first DDR5 entry-level processors, based on the consumer AM5 platform but with support for BMC, DDR5, RAS features and all that good stuff. The entry level silicon is AMD's cheapest EPYC CPU to date.
[00:00] Intro
[02:36] Introducing EPYC 4004
[04:04] EPYC 4004 specifications
[05:50] EPYC 4004 line-up
[07:15] EPYC 4004 vs. the competition
[08:07] Vendor partners
[09:48] Socket and platform
[11:39] Retail when?
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I was so excited to see this headline... only to be demoralized by 28 lanes of PCIe. I'd love to see this type of platform at like 40 lanes for 2 x16 + 1 x8 lanes.
This should be top comment
agreed, thats really the main reason i went with an EPYC 7551P over the Ryzen/Intel core lines.
Yeah, its either 24-28 or prohibitively costly threadripper : (
@@boss2688 Exactly this.
I hoped for cheap 40-48 lanes for desktop no need for threadripper.
Just the GPU at 8×, 1× E key at 1× (or 2× when I got the lanes anyway), 2 slots of 4× under the GPU. That is 18, rest to 5 NVMe slots all 4×.
Just add 2 sata back into the io die and done. The chipset is just for usb.
A socket redesign would be needed to hit higher pcie lanes. Once there set at the socket level thats it. All the pcie lanes your getting. Same thing happens with intel like the LGA1151 skylake and kaby lake xeons.
This is brilliant news. There really isn't any low-power server-grade hardware available, unless you go for the ancient EPYC Embedded 3000-series or quite pricey Ryzen Embedded industrial boards.
This! Even though ASRock Rack released a board with the EPYC 3451, it was very price prohibitive for what it offered in terms of specs.
Ovh has Ryzen desktop CPU options, there must be some AM4 or AM5 server-boards around.
I mean, there is the Gigabyte MC12-LE0 for example, which is a B550 AM4 server board with BMC. You can find it as cheap as 80€ online now. I think for that price it’s a good deal.
Epyc 8024P has a lower average draw than all the 4004 chips phoronix tested. Mine has a system avg (dual sfp+, 10 drives, 2 optanes, 6 rdimm ddr5) about the same as the avg of the 4584PX. Of course I would hope the 4004 are easier to get a hold of, since Asrock Rack just has them and the Ryzen 7000s now on the same motherboards.
Brilliant news? With the top model with only 16 cores??? Two DDR5 channels? Please. I would take it even for free.
LOL, EPIC 4004 specifications at 4:04, nice.
Yes, the criticism is that these EPYC 4000's are like 7000X3D. But I don't mind. Problem is lack of 40 PCIe lanes. Great video 👍
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
am5 socket doesn't have the pins for 40 pcie lanes :( - you need at least 4 cpu pins per pcie lane, 160 pins per ddr channel - that many extra pins would mean it wasn't "similar to a standard am5 socket" any more
Its not for that market segment, people who need more lanes buy more lanes.
And its still more than the competition (24xpcie5 vs 16xpcie5+4pcie4)
This processor was long overdue, very happy that this is an option on the market.
Waiting for Minisforum to throw one of these into the MS-01 for the ultimate AMD-based homelab host. I hope that one of the newer NAS companies throw this into their products. And maybe HPE decide to use them in a refreshed Microserver.
This sounds epyc! I definitely need more MS-01s
We need to advocate for cheaper and cheaper ARM mini-servers.
We need to make self-hosting more affordable and aproachable.
Delete the perception that you need a beast for a home server.
too expensive not enough lanes. and 65watt is higher than i want my mini at. at this price you can buy the desktop chip/mobo get same lanes. your trading for ECC memory, which is insane cost. and little benefit
All you have to do is find a minisforum that has a Ryzen 7000....same....chip.....how are people not understanding that. Or maybe it's just magic that Asrock Rack had a line of motherboards that had BMC, ECC UDIMM for Ryzen 7000 cpus and as of this morning...oh look at that, now the boards are for Ryzen 7000 AND Epyc 4004. It's amazing. Like they are the same thing. Crazy.
The BMC/IPMI is what it's all about and what is necessary. The MS-01 is already a step in the right direction using Intel vPRO which sadly is very dated but still a worthy IPMI.
The Epyc CPU may be cheap. The Epyc motherboard and ECC memory, that's another story.
nah they use basic consumer am5 platform
4560p and 4584PX alone look the same as 7950X and 7950X3D interms of Core count, L3cache, TDP, PCIe 5.0 lanes, and RAM speed/channel supported.
NIce! Computer tech related info without a lot of drama and lots of insight and experience. Good to find your channel. Since I'm not a gamer, this is the type of hardware I'm drawn towards, but without the time to invest in the research, it's nice to have help sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Finally! I’m still on a skylake Xeon e3 and this looks like exactly the upgrade I’ve been waiting for.
Yeah finally less ram and less memory bandwith AWESOME.
What exaclty is new here?
There are AM4 and AM5 boards with IPMI and ECC support.
And there are Epyc boards in microATX and ATX form factor.
Certified chips which have features built into their silicon which Ryzen doesn’t have and which are cheaper than conventional EPYC CPUs.
A CYA disclaimer that it will work with Ubuntu.
@@Fractal_32it's a scam.
@@Fractal_32 Features like what? ECC support is already available on Ryzen.
I looked at the spec sheet, these Epyc 4004 chips are identical to Ryzen 7000.
Oh, I remember those motherboard reviews 👍That's when I first really followed you and your style of writing. Kudos for doing that grunt work. No doubt automating benchmarking is a tedious thing. But you did the gruntwork and reported teh numbers.
OPTERON is back !!!!!! I remember my Opteron DC165 i could achieve a 65% overclock on it
Shot in the dark, but I bet if you follow the overclocking advise for Ryzen 7000 cpus, it will work exactly the same for these awesome new opterons....lol
@@LackofFaithify yeah i don't think they will oc like back in the days haha i'm just nostalgic.
I had an Opteron 185 socket 939. It worked for years overclocked with 3,00 GHz stable with OSx86 Leopard. I still have this system.
@@MichaelWerker-ei1hx those were the days man
Great news but... More PCIe please. 32 lanes would be awesome.
And only two memory channels... I fail to see who is this exactly for? Is there some use case I am missing? What's the point of a server CPU that neither has more memory bandwidth nor PCIe lanes than their desktop equivalents?
A big miss by amd.
Would be a massive hit if it had more pcie lanes.
@@DruidEnjoyer they basically cost the same as desktop versions tho.
@@DruidEnjoyerthey are cheap *certified* CPUs that have EPYC features in their silicon.
@@DruidEnjoyer the point is to have a low cost option for small servers that DON'T need a lot of cores, more mem bandwidth or more PCIe lanes. If you do need any of that you already get to pick from Genoa, Bergamo or Siena.
Out of curiosity, can you confirm the 3D V-cache layout on the X models?
I assume they've used two V-cache chips, one for each chiplet.
(Not the asymmetrical layout used on Ryzen, with 3D V-cache only on one chiplet, I can't imagine they would do that for a server platform no matter how budget oriented.)
So it's 7950x? Am I missing something or is this just a rename of of existing chips? Asrock already had server am4 and am5 boards with ecc support for 3000, 5000, and 7000 series ryzen.
Certified chips which have features built into their silicon which Ryzen doesn’t have and which are cheaper than conventional EPYC CPUs.
@@Fractal_32can you name some of the features that are absent in ryzen?
@@AtaGunZSEV support for one
I’m excited for this; I can retire some several year old systems with this low cost platform for descent price and great performance. I’ve always wished there was an official stamp of support and approval for ryzen based systems and here we are.
I hope that Dell, hp, Lenovo jump in there as well and get in this market.
This is exactly what I've been waiting for for my NAS rebuild. I won't lie I wish it had more PCIE lanes but I'll make it work to have a modern 65w server grade CPU with a few more lanes and better performance than Intel's E-2400's. I really hope the next version of this has more PCIE lanes and more memory channels though as this is so close to really good (and to be fair will be for a lot of SMB's).
Oh I definitely agree! The problem is AMD is offering their consumer platform with added on enterprise features like ECC and BMC, and so with it it comes with it the same limitations as consumer AM5 desktop. I'm not 100% sure if the limited PCI-E lanes is due to the amount of pins on the socket or the IOD. I too would love to have at least 40 lanes. 1x GPU + 4xNVME on a x16 card plus anything else maybe a 24 port SAS/SATA card and you've got yourself an amazing NAS for sure!
This is great news, thanks Potato 👍
Wow excellent value
The issue here are the PCIe lanes. AM5 lacks the proper pin count. While I think that for SOHO application threadripper is a bit to much.
I'm on LGA2011-v3 with 40 lanes and the only problem I'm having is the lack of bifurcation support. (I would love to use a passive adapters for NVME)
I think that a good system could be MB with a PLX with upstream PCIe v5 and downstrem PCIe v4.
And yes lanes are important for both NVME, good old spinning drives, GPUs, or whatever you need in the machine and as newer revisions are harder and harder to split passively
expecially now that SLI/Crossfire is dead... maybe AI workloads can shift the balance again.
I have the same issue with lack of bifurcation on my home NAS with a similar Xeon chip. If you’re also on an X99 motherboard they do in fact support bifurcation, it’s just annoyingly not exposed on the UEFI BIOS menu. However, you can make a custom edited BIOS that enables bifurcation, but it’s not for the feint of heart… just figured I’d let you know it was possible if you want to go down that route.
@@einsteinx2 i have the bios modded but it's not working for my mainboard.
Ah that sucks, I really hope I have better luck. I bought a couple bifurcated nvme cards and got all the info prepped to do the mod but haven’t attempted it yet. Really annoying they didn’t just make it a bios option to begin with.
That's the problem I've been having. It's all well and good to have the bandwidth of 28 or whatever pcie gen 5 lanes, but I'd rather have 112 gen 3 lanes which is the same bandwidth
Reminds me of Opteron on socket 939.
Server chip on a desktop platform. It was a great overclocker too.
The only real change to normal ryzen is ECC validation? Maybe also a single ccd for 4, 6 and 8 core.
that and probably also validation for other things like support for other server hardware like NICs, as well as some software support like for Windows Server, stuff like that. Overall though for home server use, none of that makes a real difference, but for enterprise I suppose it does.
You get a gold star sticker! Just like the Ryzens that we now call Epycs, because that is the only difference between the two for all intents and purposes, lol.
I cannot wait for a video by Wendell on these chips. I’m very interested in these EPYC chips!
Just go look at the equivalent Ryzen chip. It will be the same, because they are the same. This comes with some CYA labels added and that's all.
@@LackofFaithify my interest is from running a home server. All of these features tick boxes for reliability, something that is not guaranteed with Ryzen due to unofficial support.
As always I’ll wait for multiple third party reviews before forming a final opinion on the product.
Hmm: that sounds like a great option for a homelab. Now using the ryzen series for that, but I could really use some kind of Ilo system for when I'm not home.
the timing... I was just looking for a 4 core CPU to upgrade my E3 firewall. Let's hope the server motherboard is not too crazy on pricing.
I hope I haven't missed it in the video - Does AMD share what type of ECC memory will be supported? I presume it will be Unbuffered DDR5, but it will be nice to see it explicitly mentioned.
4:13 - It is UDIMM, so yeah, the most expensive and rare type of memory =\
@@Gastell0Which is exactly what Ryzen supports? Not every board supports it obviously but I know it works on many of them.
@@JJFX- Yeah, I can't really seem to find the difference really
Ryzen "pro" labeled cpus facilitated functions like baseboard management control
as an SMB this is interesting. do we know about system integrator going forward with this already? (not yet finished viewing, maybe it‘s in there after the 50% mark :) )
Yes, it's just a Ryzen with ECC and BBM ready; however, damn that on the 4464P looks to be the sweet spot. 12 cores @ 65W? for SMB/hosting/VM purpose, you could put something together low power and grab what you're after.
New upload from everyone's favorite silicon-eating spud. Good day :D Edit: Actually, quick question (maybe a video request???) What are your thoughts on the growth of ARM? Do you think computing will move away from x86 in general, or only for everyday computing if at all? If that's the case, how do you see that transition going in your opinion?
Surely, shouldn't you be considering the EXPLOSIVE growth of Risc-V as well? Yes, it doesn't have the same consumer and data-center growth as ARM, but on the low-end, almost every company out there are making their own cores -- pretty soon, most of the micro-controller market could become RV-based. I'm just waiting to see which Smartphone chip-maker will be the first to take the plunge, ever since Google upgraded Risc-V to a premium ISA for Android.
IIRC, a lot of server applications are already moving to ARM.
correct me if im wrong but ryzen hasnt eec disabled anyway? and you can run windows server LTS on ordinary ryzens as well? i dont see a single upside here unfortunately.
Will there will be ANY possibilities to make it work on X670 chipsets ???
I'm looking forward to the STH Project Tiny Mini Micro review of this new product line. It's a segment that has been dominated by entry level Xeons for ages
aren't most of the tiny/mini/micro machines based on desktop CPUs like Ryzen APUs and Intel mobile chips?
Do we know if the BIOS of standard AM5 boards will allow these to boot or if they will he restricted to certified EPYC AM5 boards?
I think the whole idea is to sell low cost products for server markets and the use of AM5 platform means (to me) that standard BIOS should support it, and I remember see some videos about leaks of some OEMs updating his AM5 firmware months ago for this, however I am not an expert
Yes, it does, but BIOS upgrade required.
PCIE lanes aside these would make amazing on prem workstations. These are perfect for software defined servers where you just add and remove machines to pools/clusters as needed.
not enough lanes unless we get some good ones with switches, also Rdimm would have been nice
whats the benefit compared to a ryzen in a b650 server mainboard like the B650D4U? Afaik the normal ryzen works with ecc just fine
It's not an AMD validated config. Just because it says ecc enabled, are you sure it is? Also, that's DDR4 previous gen. This is ddr5
@@TechTechPotato From the board page:
4 DIMM slots (2DPC), supports DDR5 ECC/non-ECC UDIMM
i have one of those running dmidecode says
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 3.5.0 present.
Handle 0x001E, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
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Error Information Handle: 0x001D
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Locator: DIMM 0
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL A
Type: Unknown
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Handle 0x0020, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x001B
Error Information Handle: 0x001F
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
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Locator: DIMM 1
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL A
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Handle 0x0022, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
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Error Information Handle: 0x0021
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Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL B
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Handle 0x0024, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x001B
Error Information Handle: 0x0023
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 32 GB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 1
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL B
Type: DDR5
Type Detail: Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered)
Speed: 4800 MT/s
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 2532D477
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: 9965794-016.A00G
Rank: 2
Configured Memory Speed: 4800 MT/s
Minimum Voltage: 1.1 V
Maximum Voltage: 1.1 V
Configured Voltage: 1.1 V
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Memory Operating Mode Capability: Volatile memory
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72bit should be working ecc if i recall correctly
@@TechTechPotato youtube for some reason ate my answer so again: it is an am5 mainboard with ddr5 ecc listed as supported. dmidecode reports 72bits. if you are intrested in more info i have one of those running and can run some other tests if you name them. They btw added the 4004 epyc to the specs.
AMD last entered this realm back in the Piledriver days with the AM3+ Opterons. I have an Opteron 3365 8 Core Chip. They offer much in the same as with being aimed at the low end server area. Nice to see them coming down this way again. Im definitely upgrady as my Opteron is a bit long in the tooth and even though ill be going from an 8 core to a 4 core 8 thread. The performance will be so much better.
This is pretty good.
Renting x3d epyc hardware servers for gaming servers will be awesome
Which low budget CPU is best for Workstation/Server build ( Most PCIe lanes, Low power, lots of cores, High clock speed ).
This will be such a huge upgrade over my ryzen 1700 unraid system!! So excited!
ASRock Rack has both AM4 and AM5 1U servers that run on Ryzen 5000/7000 CPUs with ECC ram and IPMI bells and whistles. The fine print was always that it's an unqualified config. So while it might work, it was never specifically tested and qualified to run that way. In my own anecdotal experience, there was never an issue with anything. Other then now being a qualified server platform, there's probably no difference in the chips. If anything, I'd guess maybe the server SKUs would be more focused on all-core speed as opposed to single core speed. For instance I could see Epyc being slightly slower in gaming benchmarks but slightly faster in kernel compiles per whatever versus their Ryzen counterparts.
Does it support undervoltin
I don't generally care about ecc memory, baseband management is nice, but I'd GLADLY trade those things for a reasonable number of pcie lanes (64 or so should do nicely). i'm tired of either having a 16x pcie card or an x8/x8 setup. once I've installed a nic and an hba, for example, i'm done. or if you want to use all 16 lanes for a gpu, that's pretty much it... sure there's typically a 4x slot, but that's usually shared with your second m.2 slot so that's not a great option either.
The first thing that came to my mind was that it would be a really cool platform if you wanted to handle workloads with huge amounts of memory, like maybe language models, but a 192GB limit wasn't exactly what I was expecting.
The low end server platforms is not where you want to look for LLM performance. Wrong target market.
Yeah a silly limit for he sake of it. AMD really didn't think this though. 2x128GB or 4x64GB are 256GB, you would currently have to find expensive non standard 4x48GB sticks to reach 192GB.
@@ericneo2 it's not arbitrary, it's because currently you can't get any larger than 48gb dimms in the non registered type. Intel did the same on their earlier ddr4 chips, pretty sure 8th gen didn't support 128gb until after 32gb dimms became available.
As the memory controller is the same as that of the consumer line but validated for ECC, means you can't use registered ECC, only unregistered.
@@morosis82 Well, there's more than one type of performance. In this case it's not "flops" or "bandwidth" performance, but "capacity", or accuracy in the case of LLMs. It seems like it's really trivial to get up to 128GB of capacity however you want to do it, but everything beyond that seems to get either silly or expensive, so I got a little bit hyped for something that wouldn't deliver what I want... For reasons that you noted very competently in this chain of comments.
To be honest, I actually don't even really care about price that much (well, as long as we're not going too much beyond four figures), but absolute power has been a huge consideration for me, so it's been weird to find something to suit my very specific needs. It's weirdly difficult to find anything below 200 watts (of socket power) but above 200GB of capacity, lol.
@@novantha1 get a 7002 series Epyc on a Supermicro H11SSL or H12ssl. I built a 7452 32 core machine with 256GB for under $2k Australian dollarydoos a year and a bit ago, 128 PCIe lanes, 8 channel memory, all the fun stuff.
As a consumer, I'd love it if my next system properly supported ECC and was super stable, but had more affordable pricing.
So will the memory bandwidth be a lot more, and latency be a lot less compared to regular AM5 systems? 2 channel memory doesn't sound like a lot.
No, desktop ryzen has the same memory configuration with two channels supporting similar clock speeds, capacities and all. The only difference is guaranteed support for ECC memory.
you want 4 at least indeed.
This is just rebranded 7950x3d. AMD did not equip the second CCD with a 3D-V cache...
No dual X3D sku is pretty lame.
they tried and no, desktop or small business server software doesn't behave well with heterogeneous CPU cores, especially the type that incurs a NUMA
@@erkinalp dual x3d would be non-heterogeneous. Currently one CCD has X3D and the other dose not, thus a heterogeneous setup.
What's the cheapest way to get 40 pcie lanes (because people are talking about it).
3930K was £479 or £682 today (and likely £800 in buying power parity) but wasn't a xeon.
E5-1650 (6c12t and 130w) was same price back in the day so nearest equivalent.
Struggling to think of a time you could get a xeon with loads of pcie lanes and cores for a reasonable MSRP.
I was kinda missing AMD equivalent of Intels Xeon E/D/W series, really good deal that AMD is going now to SMB and entry products
Surprised there are no CPUs with 35W TDP for appliances or even CPUs similar to current APUs ie mix of full fat Zen4 and Zen4C cores.
You can configure existing AM5 CPUs down to 35W TDP very easily.
Also will it support huge ass REG ECC memory?
Try? a black edge for the overlay?? idk...
Glad to see they're adding to something between the HEDT and Home PC Market, but dollar to dollar, how would this compete vs the old Epyc 7551P with 7 slots? I get a new feature set. higher ipc on boost clock with lower power, but the fact is how many PCIE lanes available, and no motherboard for this set I look at has 7 usable slots, even if 4 were only x4? I don't feel the consumer home market is being as well met outside of saving some heat and power out of the wall would take over 3-4 years to make up the price difference, and that doesn't even account for ram costs. Is the higher IO worth it when we can't build our NAS's, video rendering boxes, etc due to lack of 7 physical slots on most boards available.
Now if only there were motherboards for it too...
Like for the previous AM4 platform where ECC was also technically supported, barely any motherboard had that support. Asus had like a single model, and asrock had several models that were never sold anywhere and are out of production by this time most likely.
I really wish they would produce and SOC of this with a BGA. If they could just make it in the US that would be great. Now if they would sell just the CCUs and allow a custom IOcomplex that would be even better. I have a project that could really use this in an SOC or even better the ccus. Or allow outside folks to add they own chipletts and packaging.
Why would I get an EPYC with only 2 memory channels (like any other desktop cpu)? When my server with EPYC has 8?
Because the workload you want for your (small) server doesn't require it and you want to save money. Otherwise AMD is certainly very happy to sell you any other Epyc.
I wonder how single thread performance will differ to Ryzen 7950X. But it looks like amazing product even for small server niche.
Should be mostly the same, except these CCD's may be server-grade, aka the GOOD bins of silicon - so Frequency might actually be a bit higher.
@@predabot__6778The frequency won't be higher. Server parts are binned for higher stability.
@@predabot__6778 both 7950X and 4845P are good bins, but differently good; former for peak performance, latter for sustained performance
But how well do they run RandomX? ;)
What is the difference between EPYC 4564P and 7950x? Same cores, same frequencies, same TDP. It officially supports ECC UDIMMS, but 7950x also does (unofficially). Looks like marketing tricks to sell the same crystals under a different name.
It was in the official slides and has beem mentioned: "BMC, software RAID, server OS certifications, ECC memory support"
@@Vantrakterand on silicon features Ryzen does not have by default.
It has a premium for Enterprise CYA insurance. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@Vantrakterhow are they claiming software raid as a CPU feature? lol
@@Fractal_32 Any example features?
"up to 192GB at DDR5-5200"
Can you have both at the same time?
The lack of LTS is still a big problem. When you can not even get 5 years that is just way too short for many applications -.-
if they can fix that -finally.
Please for the love all things tech can someone make a dual socket server and workstation motherboard for this cpu. Imagine a redesigned ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE extended but able to handle dual 4584PX. You don't get the lanes but would be interesting.
If you want something like a HEDT do not look further and go for a threadripper 7000 serie instead.
I didn't even know about that Xeon-E2400 series, it's kinda crazy that they are selling an i9 with all 16E cores disabled.
Yeah, that's just plain stupid, i mean those extra E-cores are best suited for servers anyway, not clients.
Makes one wonder what Intel could do with 32 or 64 E cores (or more?) for a budget build. What will $100 or $200 purchase in 2024? It’d be nice if it’d be something that had some value.
@@superdave4564 I haven't heard anything about such project, they have the 8E core Alder Lake-N chip on the market for laptops and mini PCs and 144E core/chiplet Sierra Forest server chip announced, but nothing in between.
@@superdave4564 the 144core chip will almost certrainly have cut down 60-70 core wariants but that's still gonna cost like two grand I'd imagine.
@@lharsay yep, I was thinking more of entry level price/performance for us running small businesses servers.
This basically replaces the Ryzen pro lineup?
No, Ryzen pro is for office desktop segment, AM4/AM5/BGA EPYC is for low power servers and embedded systems with occasional peak loads.
So this is the new "Ryzen pro" and what will they do with "threadripper pep"
They're sampling the hunger for it before Computex. I'll very curious to see what the compatibility looks like.
Honestly what is the difference between this and a desktop am5 7000 proc on a motherboard like an x670E steel legend? I can do all this on a Linux server now. We dont even get a huge amount of pcie lanes or anything.
I am thinking the same.
Certified chips which have features built into their silicon which Ryzen doesn’t have and which are cheaper than conventional EPYC CPUs.
Same 128 MB of L3 as the 7950X3D. Very disappointingly these are just a different binning/branding/validation of the existing Ryzen SKUs. No full Vcache versions, no Zen4c versions...this launch is all business no fun. I was excited at first then quickly disappointed...
Same
It’s just useless branding and market segmentation, reminds me of typical Intel behavior of the past.
Yeah honestly I feel like an EPYC on the thread ripper platform makes more sense
@@abavariannormiepleb9470It's not just branding. It is about guaranteeing some validation and official support for that that Desktop Ryzen can technically do (like ECC ram support), but isn't guaranteed on the desktop AM5 platform. It takes care of checkboxes that enterprise customers may require, but don't really make any real difference for say home server use.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 not just that, also binning; 7950X is binned for peak perf, 4854P is binned for sustained perf, use 7950X in your server in the default settings and you'll end up in a failed CPU in two years, use 4854P in your gaming PC in the default settings and you'll still have a working AM5 CPU while others are looking for upgrade CPUs for their AM5 motherboards
It looks like just a 7950x ECC ver.
I dont understand people saying "what is the difference between epyc 4004 and ryzen 7000" like, my man did you watched the whole video? IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT
(holds hands slightly apart) "Gamers"
Can someone clarify for me why this is compelling to people? I see a rebranded Ryzen lineup with identical specs. Ryzen supports ECC (UDIMM) just like these which now works on many boards and I believe TSME is also there. These do not support the virtualization features found on other EPYC lineups. Most of the marketing material is effectively showing how Ryzen compares in performance to equivalent Xeon processors.
Server operating systems would work with Ryzen so the only potential feature I really understand is remote management which is a board feature and I don't see details about this on their product pages. Just that it's a thing and multiple chipset options will be available.
Unless I'm mistaken I basically see a product that could just be a lineup of AM5 motherboards except putting Ryzen CPUs in a server environment doesn't look professional so these CPUs exist instead.
ECC on Ryzen is not qualified. Just because it says it's working in the Bios doesn't mean it is actually working on those platforms.
Also, long term server OS image support. Guarantees operability based on customer need. In the enterprise segment, having thing validated and supported for X years becomes minimum specification. 'we expect it to' or 'pretty sure it will' isn't good enough when an issue could cause a compromised system and security issue.
@@TechTechPotato I appreciate the reply. I understand ECC is notoriously finnicky on Ryzen but it seems to be functioning on many consumer boards now. It was rough at launch but I've seen people validating this in Wendel's forum. There are also server targeted AM5 boards like the rack mount Asrock launched awhile back that does officially validate both non-ECC and ECC and UDIMMS.
I hear you what you're saying about long-term OS support, it all just seems a bit strange for this performance class and there are already data centers that have been selling Ryzen PRO-based dedicated servers with ECC for a while. If it at least offered more EPYC features or PCIE lanes I could see a reason to justify its existence but hopefully available boards make it worthwhile.
@@TechTechPotato not only that, PBO defaults of Ryzen 7000 and EPYC 4000 are different.
Can't even afford food anymore and this guy's still excited about CPUs
I was hoping for a comparison against 7800x3D or 7950x3D
Why did the EPYC 4004 CPU attend therapy?
Because it had too many cores and couldn’t handle the stress threads!
"SMB & Hosters" 3:26 - They made a Super Mario Bros capable CPU???
28 PCIe lanes is anaemic why would I bother, you get Threadripper and EPYC for the lanes you can split to stack NVME flash, I'll wait for old servers
You answered your own question, if you want lanes you get threadripper or Epyc, this is for small business, did you not watch the video?
So what Intel did with Xeons. This is awesome! I'm in!!!
Going only up to 16 cores seems like a bit of a missed opportunity, I think. Given a lot of the tasks that are going to be run on these can leverage as many cores as you throw at them and that it would be more efficient I think there should've been an option for a "hybrid" with one Zen 4 CCD with 8 cores and one CCD with 16 Zen 4C cores for 24 cores/48 threads total. It feels like we have been stuck at 16 cores for a while now--since Zen 2 launched in 2019--and it'd be nice to start seeing an increase in core count again, with the added benefit that it would increase efficiency.
These are server parts. You have 128core Bergamo if you want more cores.
We don't need more cores in desktop, day to day apps barely can use more than 8 cores and professional software are in the threadripper market
@@reiniermoreno1653 This are server parts not desktop parts.
Definitely could use a 6-core Epyc 4004 in my unRAID box
This is great news, low end server CPUs really were missing from the AMD lineup, these will make servers low-end servers like the Dell PowerEdge 250/350 more attractive.
neither amd or intel read the room of what people actually want eh ?
Whats the benefit of these CPUs? You can already run ECC on normal ryzen, there are server boards available for normal ryzen, these new chips have the same pcie lanes and memory channel count, since they're just rebranded chips. Is this supposed to promote more servers around the Ryzen and similar processors?
Enterprise has another level of qualification and validation for hardware aswell as OS support so your small business doesn't suddenly have its important client info getting corrupted or the accounting programs going unsupported this time next year.
@@tomstech4390 has there ever been an instance where a consumer CPU has been the root cause of data corruption? No backups or raid or checksumming filesystem? Consumer chips can still run ecc, and vendors like asrockrack still have a qvl for consumer Ryzen boards. Also what software won't run on Ryzen but will on epyc? Especially software for a small business
@@konzo5942 yes, there is; consumer grade CPU+consumer grade RAM combo has about one in 100 million bit error rate
thankfully AMD also supports memory encryption
07:30 "min base frequency"
questionable comparison
AMD Epyc 4004 is a interesting name. 1971 is remember something
it is a reference to intel, remember that amd started as a second source manufacturer to intel
Without more pci lanes, what's the point?
it's for customers who dont need allot of pcie lanes?
Also it has more pcie lanes than what those customers are currently running...
Xeon E: 16pcie5, 4pcie4
Epyc4004: 24pcie5
So odd to see an AMD chip with the part number 4004 when that was the part number of Intels first microprocessor.
So it seems like the xeons have unofficial support for 256GB RAM.
28 lanes. The only real reason (for me at least) would be if it had 32 lanes at least. 36 would be way better, why not 40? I mean come on.
It's just rebranded ryzen.
@@durschfalltv7505 different bins, ryzen 7000 is binned for peak, epyc is binned for sustained performance;
@@erkinalp HAHAHAHHAAH. Yeah believe that retarded branding. Your bin means jack shit. It's just performance related. Just underclock and it becomes more stable.
the only thing we most wanted was quad channel
A new HP micro server? :)
Still has too little PCIE, which would be the whole point of going epyc, for me.
But can it beat 7800x3d in Crysis?
man nothing out there on am5 gives a decent ammount of pcie lanes.
Don't ask a question "what does this mean" then answer it.
Just answer it 😂
Sad thing is its still basically missing all parts that most people would need of a cheap CPU like that
Am5???? Amazing!!