EDIT: By somewhat popular demand I will be REMAKING THIS VIDEO with a more general focus on all healing EGOs in the game and Lifetime Stew Sinclair's position in it, just know that this video is not meant to be taken seriously, but since a lot of you want a serious analysis im cooking one up right now! :> By the way, just wanna say this video is meant to be taken 50% seriously and 50% as comedy. I've seen some people take this a tad bit too serious, and that wasn't my aim at all and I think that is getting the message of the video wrong. Oh yeah also, just for those who wanna know Level 50 doesn't change the end result of the argument at all, I checked and it basically boils down to both Fluid Sac and Lifetime Stew healing a little bit more and not changing the status quo. Sorry, but i just didn't wanna remake the entire video because PM dropped level 50, sowwy :(
you forgot about faust healing sp and its passive also if soup sinclair rolls tails it wont heal and deals a marginally massive amount of burn damage to the enemy (1 burn) what a stupid passive
This being taken 50% seriously is already way too much. Saying that it is i any way, shape or form better than Fluid Sac is delusional. No it does not heal more than Sac.
I know this is a joke now, but I still wanna argue it. First off, you were unfair, using the average for Faust and the maximum potential for Sinclair! At level 50, here are identities with the highest HP for each sinner: Yi Sang: 223 (Seven and Dieci) Faust: 241 (Warp) Don: 258 (Tax) Ryoshu: 206 (LCCB) Meursault: 270 (N Corp) Hong Lu: 270 (K Corp) Heathcliff: 270 (Pequod) Ishmael: 254 (Zwei) Rodya: 243 (Dieci) Sinclair: 258 (Mexico) Outis: 234 (Seven) Gregor: 240 (Gregor) So, soup does 26*6 healing when at maximum potential, which is 156 hp (Sinclair’s number is rounded up, by the way) This requires Sinclair to be used in Dongbaek’s fight, as in any other stage he will heal no more than this. Fluid sac does 40*3+38*2+36*2 healing to the team when using a 6 sinner team of Warp Faust, T Corp Don, N Corp Meursault, K Corp Hong Lu, Pequod Heathcliff, Zwei Ishmael and Mariachi Sinclair. Notice how this sum (which adds up to 268, with each number being rounded DOWN) is for 6 people. The seventh member of this group of beneficiaries is actually… Vergilius. Vergilius is an Ally unit, and can therefore theoretically be considered an ally, which will add 825 (not rounded at all) hp to that healing, since Vergilius has around 5 and a half thousand HP. So, in 6-41, Fluid sac should be able to heal for 1093 HP for just 9 resources. If you were to disregard this, then add 38 hp instead for Zwei Ishmael, in a 7 sinner team in the fight against Dongbaek. Soup costs 6 resources, and heals for 156 hp. So, this comes out to 26 hp per resource. Fluid sac heals, at maximum potential, 1093 hp for 9 resources (or 306 hp if you don’t include Vergilius.) For Fluid sac to match Soup’s Heal:Resource ratio of 26:1, it would need to heal 234 HP, which it surpasses in both scenarios with a ratio of 121.444…:1! (Ratio is 34:1 when using Zwei Ish instead of Vergilius) SO! IN CONCLUSION, FLUID SAC FAUST OUTHEALS SOUP WHEN BOTH ARE USED AT THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL! Faust also heals Sanity and applies protection to the ally with the lowest health as well, making it even MORE useful than Lifetime Worthless Sinclair! Check and Mate! EDIT: 1093 HP, not 1073
Well if you think about it, the molecular composition of water is H2O, this means it has, in it's composition, the very most basic atom, Hydrogen, which is in 75% of all Normal Matter and the most abundant chemical element in the universe. Thus, if there was a way for water to gain complete sentience and be in full control of its own chemical makeup (which would only make sense), then it would obviously be in full control of the Hydrogen element too, which means it could feasibly control 75% of the entire universe, easily being able to destroy said universe with its only 25% of free control (this without even taking into consideration that Water would control Oxygen too, and part of that Previously Free 25% of that universe would have at least Oxygen in it, if not Hydrogen). So, scientifically, water could destroy any universe of standard composition with ours
Bruh it can? Project Moon literally made it so Sinners cant use regular counter on it, and yet it still dies to a counter lmao. I am genuinely so upset over this, but also its so goddamn funny lol
And the fact that Fluid Sac requires Lust, Envy and Gloom, the most common sin resources among the meta IDs, which means you'll have a good team to boot
Sooo if we ignore its corrosion, roll, fact that it doesnt effect the user, the fact that a tails roll burns allies too, and does not heal sanity(25 on heads roll xd) and the fact that u have to use of sinclairs most dog ids instead of his 3 S tier ids, it heals .8 more per ego resource? Got it. Bro dropped the most comprehensive guide as to why one must never use lifetime stew xd
Actually, it's even worst than that, he even fucked up his calculation. He calculated as if you were healing 100% of the time (24-(7*0.2)) = 22.6 while the true calculation (tail doesn't heal) is (24*0.8)-(7*0.2) for an actual average healing of 17.8, or 2.96 healing per EGO ressource. Which makes it less efficient than Fluid Sac's 3.22.
I love the fact that the only reason life time stew sinclair heals more is because welvader was doing meth instead of math (average healing for LTS is way lower 17.8 per sinner instead of the 22.6 shown in the video)
Welvader, i think you forgot to include the fact that rolling tails not only does 7 damage, but it also doesnt apply 24 health, for a an effectively 31 health swing
I would like to mention that Esgoo has done a better job at defending Soupclair, then whatever Welvader burned here, by demonstrating him in action in RR2&3. Clearly the only way to mitigate this is for Welva to do RR4 Worst team with Soupclair has the only EGO allowed before Esgoo does.
My brother in Christ, if the Soup is hitting tails 20% of the time, you not only should deduct that 1,4 points of damage, but also deduct 20% first because whenever it rolls tails it wouldn't heal. It doesn't outheal fluid sac delete this slander of mommy faust
First, let me make something clear: this is a great video, and i loved it. Now, i'm going to put out my rebuttal. Sorry, not sorry- The problem with lifetime stew sinclair isn't that it is BAD at healing or really anything linked to its good outcome effect. Stew, in fact, when rolling heads, is GOOD. Not broken good, just overall good. The problem is that rolling tails puts you in a WORSE situation than you were, if you use this ego for its intended purpose. And then you consider for a second that lifetime stew technically *hits* allies... which procs any on-hit debuffs like rupture or sinking. (and i do believe that for some reason it doesn't proc positive on-hit effects? not sure on that one.) Lifetime stew sinclair rolling tails is, for all intents and purposes, a corrosion. It damages the enemy for literally chip damage, and your team gets a really disadvantageous position. It's not that 7 damage is a lot. It's that, if you're using a healing ID, the simple CHANCE of not only not being healed, but also being damaged, is not worth the gamble. Then you have to consider that the boss might be using burn themselves... And even with EGO ressource amp in the equation, you have to remember that unless you're in a human fight, most of the time you'll have 6 slots, not one more. since sinclair can't hit himself, you'll have 5 ego ressource amp on your team... so you won't even refund the 6 ego ressources needed to cast lifetime stew. you have to find a sweet spot between a moment where taking seven damage at the end of the turn isn't terrible, but you could really use the healing, and not mind technically being hit. Furthermore, we need to consider that faust heals the entire team, which lifetime stew isn't guaranteed to do (granted, those are under specific circumstances, but the possibility still exists)... And the "optimal" way to use lifetime stew is to use an id that is otherwise considered a bench-warmer, and is often considered the worst "tank" unit, due to the fact that it literally just... doesn't get to aggro? Oh actually i'm not going to get started on Jefe sinclair, i'll actually distort if i do. There's a whole dimention that is only hoodwinked in this video at the very end: Fluid sac, if it only healed health, would be average as an ego. Fluid sac faust is loved as a healing ego because, outside of the ego ressources, it costs FIVE SP when rolling tails, because not only does she refund her own SP, but gives some to EVERYONE. And if you used her to win a clash (you know, what she can do, compared to lifetime stew), weren't at full SP, and rolled heads, it gives 15 MORE SP TO FAUST THAN IT TAKES. And there's not "bad outcome" of using it and rolling tails, as you still heal 5 sp more than you lost, if you won a clash. The real reason why you're using more ressources than most HE ego to use it, is that if by the time you can use her (which can be as early as turn three if you play your cards right), you might have had bad luck with clashing or might be facing a boss that likes to keep your sanity low and make things difficult for you... And at that point, you'll be able to both "erase" the damage dealt by the enemy with those bad clashes, but also make it so that you'll have a MUCH easier time for the rest of the fight: sanity is a snowball in this game, as better clashes means more sanity means better clashes. And now, here's my OWN hot take: if you really need sinclair to heal, because for some reason fluid sac isn't enough... You can just bring a better ID than Jefe and use lantern, or even in some specific circumstances like fights with breakable parts and/or minions, impending day (which, hey, uses the same EGO slot lifetime does, can actually clash, has a +1 damage modifier instead of a -2, and allows you to bring a viable member of the team instead of an evade bot that will at most evade 3 attacks!). There are just too many points of friction in lifetime stew sinclair's design to be anything but a disappointing ego. It competes for its slot with another ego that doesn't require you to handicap yourself in order to make the best of it. i'll give *something* to lifetime stew though: considering how GOOD for burn sinclair is, lifetime stew gaining a passive that compounds with dawn sinclair's OWN passive can pay off in raw amount of burn potency added (which, in long fights, basically translates to a LOT of pride damage due to magic bullet outis)
(also,a bonus argument there: if you're using jefe for the express purpose of using stew, you're probably not running sinking, or if you are, you're depriving yourself of one of the main team, in order to bring a unit with NO sinking ego and overall negative count. If you aren't running sinking but are bringing a sinking unit, that means you're running a generalist team. Which means you're just setting yourself back by not using two of the most powerful IDs in the game, nclair and cinqclair.)
You failed to consider one thing If you use lifetime stew to heal on an ally that's reached their stagger threshold they will get staggered. Even if the skill itself deals 0 fixed damage. Thus leaving them vulnerable and if you can't redirect all clashes towards the staggered unit, they will take even more damage and be in a worse spot than before
@@d4m1r90IF everyone is at 45 sp, and if they arent, then its a godsent for sanity healing ESPECIALLY if it hits heads, since it REFUNDS ITS OWN SANITY COST and is only 5 negative if it hits tails. Fluid sack is a META Ego and it shall remain that way untill Kim Ji Hoon himself decides to give us an OP WAW or HE ego, and we know dang well it aint happening unless he smokes whatever the hell Welvader is smoking
thank you, i've been struggling with the golden apple boss but after i slotted out regret faust for mariachi sinclair i was able to really take advantage of the 0,04 extra healing and thanks to the infinite damage i managed to kill the boss in one shot.
Did not expect this video to give Welvader lore, how his TH-cam channel's very existence literally originated from the primordial soup that is Soupclair
Honestly the Sin Generation part i cant aggre on Since.... Impending Day EGO exist And the 2 ID that CAN use Impending Day AKA N Sinclair and Dawn Office, actually just repay itself And trust me, the fastest RR4 run straight up use Impending Doom on Dawn Office just so he can stupidly generate Envy and Gloom Resource
This video is amazing because I genuinely can't tell if you're earnestly defending Soupclair, or if you've made the greatest delayed april fools video ever. Love it!
You know what, i said I wouldn't in the video but this video does well enough I will defend Soda Hong Lu to the best of my ability. (mostly to just piss of ESGOO cause it would be so funny)
Hello, this is evil esgoo, and while evil pm made a very good and easy to understand tutorial, im going to tell you to shard Soup Sinclair as your first ego
I wanna have what Welvader is smoking, he feels like he enjoyed proving Lifetime soup > Fluid Sac despite the numerous... Painful evidences lmao, fun video
@@protoney8122it's a mistyping it's actually the potency not the count which make his bleed condition not that high to achive anymore 10 bleed potency is quite easy to achive in bleed team
The true purpose of Welvader's limbus rants is to point out the following fact: Almost everything in limbus can be situationally good. Also, on garden of thorns gregor, before I didn't really see him as viable beyond mirror dungeons, but that all changed with Contempt, Awe. Contempt, Awe being a powerful lust resonance EGO that additionally has an obscene EGO resource generating passive directly synergizes with Garden of Thorns to make it actually very good.
The reason garden of roses is not good is beacuse it is more expensive, doesnt have a great id that it fits with, and you cant build a team around an EGO which you would need to. Its not good for being used casually beacuse there is no team that greg fits with it and you lose resources you can direct a lot better. Everything can be good but only egos like this are only good if you have no choice
If I wanted to use an Sinclair EGO that has healing and generates me EGO resources I would just use Impending Day. It also comes with the benefit of not having to use Mariachi Sinclair to maximize its value.
So Lifetime Stew Sinclair is better than Fluid Sac Faust.. because it's worse than Fluid Sac Faust. This has to be peak slop posting. Never cook again 💯 🗣️🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥
Well i expected more, I don't understand how you didn't mention it, but even tho by calculations healing from soupclair is better, fluid sack provides sp healing, which already makes it better than soup and again the healing you mentioned is possible if you take mariachi Sinclair which is already unrealistic. And the thing is, you could've talked about soup in burn teams(literally the only place where this ego can genuinely shine), but instead you chose to compare it to fluid sack
Did they ever fix the HP calculation? At lvl 45, Zwei Sinclair heals 21 HP with it when his HP is _over_ 220, so it actually heals LESS than 10% user HP...
I use Lifetime Stew during my burn team mirror dungeon runs (Lius except Hong Lu who’s benched + NClair) and it definitely helps in the event his sanity gets a bit too high (I use Base Yi Sang to make corrosion less likely when Win-Rating) and also it’s fun to use especially when combined with Oracle often exchanging excess Wrath/Lust for Gluttony.
Until people were fuming about how "bad" it is, i never really thought of it being bad. I like it a lot and it's damn impossible not to be able to fuel it.
Admittedly Lifetime stew will always be for just how inconsistent it is. I adore the concept behind it and the animations too but especially considering that this canto is oops all bleed and even if an attack doesn’t deal any damage if an id has less hp than its stagger bar from bleeding they will stagger. And sadly the ID that wants haste the most is Cinqclair…. who will never get Haste from this ego because the resource amp doesn’t target himself. And admittedly I don’t think comparing it to fluid sac is the best representation of it. Fluid sac is largely the best for its sanity boost making it effectively go sanity positive for faust and the whole team and its corrosion is easily the most slept on aspect of it (-25 sanity and -2 power is a lot. Usually not as good as the heal but the fact it can comes as an options is even better). A much more accurate comparison would be to Sinclair’s best ego Lantern as it actually has similar sins needed to fuel it and is also on Sinclair which just what reveals all of soups flaws. For 1. even before getting into the effects Lantern is perfectly fueled by two of Sinclair’s ids one of which being Cinqclair. 2. Strong AOE slash attacks are quite rare and one so easily fuel able is amazing. 3. You never “want” heals, you often need heals and if the choice is between a heal that could hypothetically be higher by a small margin but can randomly do the opposite or one that heals as long it hits…. players are going to gravitate towards the one that doesn’t accidentally stagger themselves because of a boss’s unavoidable bleed build up. I do wish that it got just a slight rework because the flavor and idea behind it is amazing and I wanna justify sharding it but just cannot muster the motivation for where it is currently
I get what you are saying and the ultimate point you are trying to make which is: It isn't THAT bad (for the cost). Regardless there is a ton of counter arguments such as you are expecting people to change members just to get the ego to work may it be those who like haste or having an awful ID of Sinclair just for more health. I argue just use Rodion or Sault healing drip ego instead where they can hold their own with any IDs you want them to have without being the rest of the team around it. Likewise I feel being cheaper only helps so much. It not like you (should) be spamming ego every turn, ego are for burst damage and what effects they may give for that given moment. If you really need healing during a mirror run I think you kinda doing something wrong but people seem to sleep on Impending Day which give everyone 20% of their health on a kill of an enemy (the ego even buff itself if the enemy low on health!) which is also a teth ego under the same sinner. Ignoring the attack power up and just looking exclusively at the healing 195 (your number for avg HP) * 0.20 (heal amount) = 39 / 5 (sin resources) = 7.8. Using your own logic and arguments I literally found a better ego of the same tier on the same ID that is outright better than Soup for healing. Heads or Tails rolls doesn't matter, it will always heals too. So final counter argument is that I know an ego that was easier to get than soup that was better by default for healing at least. I'll be my own devil advocate and say it will only work on kill but still, how much healing does one need during a single encounter? I'm sure you mostly made this video out of entertainment and just to say it isn't THAT bad but the logic on the video kinda fall apart easily though.
Well yes if you allways hit tails on lifetime stew Sinclair you may very well be able to use its power 10 single coin skill every turn to deal infinite burn damage to your allys
I'd say the biggest upshot to Fluid sac vs soupclair is the sanity gain, really. While it does get (potentially) inched out raw healing- the SP gain let's you drag units who've whiffed a bunch of clashes back into feasibility + refunding its own sanity cost and/or enabling ego spamming everyone
That remindss me of one phrase. "In this game, only healing is never good. Why would you spend much needed resource for just heal, when you can dmg their tower instead." It was a vid about heal spell in clash royale. Anyways. I don't have that thing. And I won't spend my boxes on him, since I need streamer and russian girl.
Wel forgetting the fact that while using mariarchi sinclair is the most optimal for healing getting his sanity up to actually heal teammates is miserable and every time you use the ego youre set back on said valueable SP. Also even if cost refunds it still costs said sanity Also if it fully refunded that means 6/7 attack weight has hit your team and not the enemy so whatever damage he does with that last hit is outweight by 6*7= 42 burn damage to the team he did this move. Bait used to be believeable...
I love that this video is functionally: "LIFETIME STEW LITERALLY OUTDAMAGES AND OUTHEALS FLUID SAC?????!?* *the statements made in this video have not been approved by the FDA and are taken from a study of average health of IDs with optimal conditions for Lifetime Stew. This is not medical advice. Please consult your doctor if you are experiencing a medical emergency."
0:23 (My pov) - Goes on Google - Searches up lifetime stew Sinclair - Sees it's stats and effects (including corrosion) Clearly, Welvader is onto something Like weed
you forget to account for that even if it rolls heads, it only heals each ally that it hits, and it's indiscriminate. if there are multiple enemies, it becomes incredibly volatile and unreliable, as there's no guarantee you hit the allies that actually need healing.
this logic reminds me of how you can argue that every card in slay the spire is technically a block card... i love this. i will now spend all of my sinclair egoshards on lifetime stew instead of waiting for philip sinclair to come back.
To be completely honest, I want Project Moon to release a Sinclair ID that has an absurdly high health pool, and gets benefits based on how much he heals and shields the other Sinners. Having Sinclair become a dedicated healer by spamming Cavernous Wailing, Lifetime Stew and Lantern genuinely sounds like so much fun, it's a shame that his high-HP IDs are so bad. Also, about the Corrosion: Who said anything about Overclocking for it? I personally love to use N-Sinclair and carefully manage his SP so that he hits -45 at the same time that there are several staggered/low-health enemies, so I can get some free kills and activate the passive at no cost. That risk/reward is far more enjoyable than equipping him with Impending Day. Though, of course, making this _consistent_ also means locking yourself out of other Sinclair E.G.O, so it's not exactly viable... still, I have fond memories of this tech back in Season 1 and 2!
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EDIT: By somewhat popular demand I will be REMAKING THIS VIDEO with a more general focus on all healing EGOs in the game and Lifetime Stew Sinclair's position in it, just know that this video is not meant to be taken seriously, but since a lot of you want a serious analysis im cooking one up right now! :>
By the way, just wanna say this video is meant to be taken 50% seriously and 50% as comedy. I've seen some people take this a tad bit too serious, and that wasn't my aim at all and I think that is getting the message of the video wrong.
Oh yeah also, just for those who wanna know Level 50 doesn't change the end result of the argument at all, I checked and it basically boils down to both Fluid Sac and Lifetime Stew healing a little bit more and not changing the status quo. Sorry, but i just didn't wanna remake the entire video because PM dropped level 50, sowwy :(
you forgot about faust healing sp and its passive also if soup sinclair rolls tails it wont heal and deals a marginally massive amount of burn damage to the enemy (1 burn) what a stupid passive
so not only can pm fans not read but they cant take a joke either. incredible.
This being taken 50% seriously is already way too much. Saying that it is i any way, shape or form better than Fluid Sac is delusional. No it does not heal more than Sac.
I know this is a joke now, but I still wanna argue it.
First off, you were unfair, using the average for Faust and the maximum potential for Sinclair!
At level 50, here are identities with the highest HP for each sinner:
Yi Sang: 223 (Seven and Dieci)
Faust: 241 (Warp)
Don: 258 (Tax)
Ryoshu: 206 (LCCB)
Meursault: 270 (N Corp)
Hong Lu: 270 (K Corp)
Heathcliff: 270 (Pequod)
Ishmael: 254 (Zwei)
Rodya: 243 (Dieci)
Sinclair: 258 (Mexico)
Outis: 234 (Seven)
Gregor: 240 (Gregor)
So, soup does 26*6 healing when at maximum potential, which is 156 hp (Sinclair’s number is rounded up, by the way) This requires Sinclair to be used in Dongbaek’s fight, as in any other stage he will heal no more than this.
Fluid sac does 40*3+38*2+36*2 healing to the team when using a 6 sinner team of Warp Faust, T Corp Don, N Corp Meursault, K Corp Hong Lu, Pequod Heathcliff, Zwei Ishmael and Mariachi Sinclair.
Notice how this sum (which adds up to 268, with each number being rounded DOWN) is for 6 people. The seventh member of this group of beneficiaries is actually… Vergilius. Vergilius is an Ally unit, and can therefore theoretically be considered an ally, which will add 825 (not rounded at all) hp to that healing, since Vergilius has around 5 and a half thousand HP. So, in 6-41, Fluid sac should be able to heal for 1093 HP for just 9 resources.
If you were to disregard this, then add 38 hp instead for Zwei Ishmael, in a 7 sinner team in the fight against Dongbaek.
Soup costs 6 resources, and heals for 156 hp. So, this comes out to 26 hp per resource.
Fluid sac heals, at maximum potential, 1093 hp for 9 resources (or 306 hp if you don’t include Vergilius.)
For Fluid sac to match Soup’s Heal:Resource ratio of 26:1, it would need to heal 234 HP, which it surpasses in both scenarios with a ratio of 121.444…:1! (Ratio is 34:1 when using Zwei Ish instead of Vergilius)
SO! IN CONCLUSION, FLUID SAC FAUST OUTHEALS SOUP WHEN BOTH ARE USED AT THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL! Faust also heals Sanity and applies protection to the ally with the lowest health as well, making it even MORE useful than Lifetime Worthless Sinclair!
Check and Mate!
EDIT: 1093 HP, not 1073
Soupclair is the best
"goku can destroy a universe, and goku can choke on water and die, therefore water can atleast destroy a universe" type of vid
Well if you think about it, the molecular composition of water is H2O, this means it has, in it's composition, the very most basic atom, Hydrogen, which is in 75% of all Normal Matter and the most abundant chemical element in the universe. Thus, if there was a way for water to gain complete sentience and be in full control of its own chemical makeup (which would only make sense), then it would obviously be in full control of the Hydrogen element too, which means it could feasibly control 75% of the entire universe, easily being able to destroy said universe with its only 25% of free control (this without even taking into consideration that Water would control Oxygen too, and part of that Previously Free 25% of that universe would have at least Oxygen in it, if not Hydrogen).
So, scientifically, water could destroy any universe of standard composition with ours
@@mtacrdipo7870 thats not how sentience works
@@mtacrdipo7870 Humans arent meat-benders bro
Mfs when they discover "logic'
@@azalakhir918 And yet you can lift and carry people... How strange...
>bleeding to death under stagger
>tails lifetime stew
>stagger half my team
>holy peak
lifetime stewing dulcin-
ESGOO is for sure going to be LIVID
Posted 7 hours ago when the video just released? Whuh!
Prob was a channel sub
I hope Welvader mentions how this ego can get sinclair killed by erlking's counter
that is the funniest thing ever ngl
Wait it can? Does ot activate other counters?
Holy shit new meta for free coffin
@@mdfan77 it has been a thing since game's release when n meursault could kill r ishmael with his counter.
Bruh it can? Project Moon literally made it so Sinners cant use regular counter on it, and yet it still dies to a counter lmao. I am genuinely so upset over this, but also its so goddamn funny lol
@@Welvader It's probably because of the clasing mechanic idk, I had Zwei Ishmael clashing with my Sinclair once
Forgot to wait until april fools
yeah okay SODA
Welvander ignoring the fact that fluid sac faust can heal 25 sp to all allies and has a passive that gives 2 prot to lowest ally
And it also doesn't stagger your allies when used.
and it also assumes that the 7 indiscriminate attack weight go on your allies to actually heal your team and the members you want healed
And fact that lifetime stew actually don't heals allies even on tails roll (he subtracted burn damage, but forgot missing healing)
And the fact that Fluid Sac requires Lust, Envy and Gloom, the most common sin resources among the meta IDs, which means you'll have a good team to boot
Me when welvader spread soup propaganda: 😊
Sooo if we ignore its corrosion, roll, fact that it doesnt effect the user, the fact that a tails roll burns allies too, and does not heal sanity(25 on heads roll xd) and the fact that u have to use of sinclairs most dog ids instead of his 3 S tier ids, it heals .8 more per ego resource? Got it. Bro dropped the most comprehensive guide as to why one must never use lifetime stew xd
Actually, it's even worst than that, he even fucked up his calculation. He calculated as if you were healing 100% of the time (24-(7*0.2)) = 22.6 while the true calculation (tail doesn't heal) is (24*0.8)-(7*0.2) for an actual average healing of 17.8, or 2.96 healing per EGO ressource. Which makes it less efficient than Fluid Sac's 3.22.
@@KeyenFureur 💀💀💀
@@KeyenFureurRIP Bozo lmao
@@KeyenFureur Yeah that didn't sound right and i have dyscalculia so ah. That's a hell of a feat
so sad that this will be welvader's last video before he gets taken to the psych ward again
I love the fact that the only reason life time stew sinclair heals more is because welvader was doing meth instead of math (average healing for LTS is way lower 17.8 per sinner instead of the 22.6 shown in the video)
Chat is this real
Very
why are you like this
Because I see the true value in Soup Sinclair
@@Welvader Don't you mean soupclair
14:57 ah yes 2 haste for Cinq Sinclair. From Soup, the EGO that can't hit itself. Brilliant
You missed the key idea: You are using mariachi sinclair in order to buff cinq sinclair, that's why it works.
@@KeyenFureurreading this got me brain damage
ESGOO THE WASHED UP GRADE 9 FIXER
We are watching someone distort in real time
This had to be a secret "absolutely pride resonance" donation goal or something
Btw I'm just interested when he will post his an hour rant video about shi ids, like it's been 4 months since then...
peak needs cope
I like how you put the burn damage on tails in your healing calc, but not the fact that soup sinclair doesn't heal on tails hit.
The 1 3 burn in your sinner:
YES LIFETIME TAILS.
This is the hill you wanna die on bro?
I almost feel this video is made to make people feel smarter than welvader.
so thanks for the ego boost.
EGO????
¨I will not defend soda hong lu¨ says literally like 2 days after Frey Crit with soda hong lu in canto 7
That was painful to watch
How? BL don? BL yi sang passive? Captain ish? I didnt see the stream.
Captain ish.
Honestly the real important thing to notice was that the passive is actually really good in chain battles
Welvader, i think you forgot to include the fact that rolling tails not only does 7 damage, but it also doesnt apply 24 health, for a an effectively 31 health swing
I would like to mention that Esgoo has done a better job at defending Soupclair, then whatever Welvader burned here, by demonstrating him in action in RR2&3.
Clearly the only way to mitigate this is for Welva to do RR4 Worst team with Soupclair has the only EGO allowed before Esgoo does.
Sure, I'll do it if people really want that, I'm willing to go that far to defend him lol
@@Welvaderone must imagine Welvader becoming happy
@@Welvader Make it happen
do it@@Welvader
@@Welvaderbet
Rodyas new ego would like to make a complaint
My brother in Christ, if the Soup is hitting tails 20% of the time, you not only should deduct that 1,4 points of damage, but also deduct 20% first because whenever it rolls tails it wouldn't heal. It doesn't outheal fluid sac delete this slander of mommy faust
First, let me make something clear: this is a great video, and i loved it. Now, i'm going to put out my rebuttal. Sorry, not sorry-
The problem with lifetime stew sinclair isn't that it is BAD at healing or really anything linked to its good outcome effect. Stew, in fact, when rolling heads, is GOOD. Not broken good, just overall good.
The problem is that rolling tails puts you in a WORSE situation than you were, if you use this ego for its intended purpose. And then you consider for a second that lifetime stew technically *hits* allies... which procs any on-hit debuffs like rupture or sinking. (and i do believe that for some reason it doesn't proc positive on-hit effects? not sure on that one.) Lifetime stew sinclair rolling tails is, for all intents and purposes, a corrosion. It damages the enemy for literally chip damage, and your team gets a really disadvantageous position. It's not that 7 damage is a lot. It's that, if you're using a healing ID, the simple CHANCE of not only not being healed, but also being damaged, is not worth the gamble. Then you have to consider that the boss might be using burn themselves... And even with EGO ressource amp in the equation, you have to remember that unless you're in a human fight, most of the time you'll have 6 slots, not one more. since sinclair can't hit himself, you'll have 5 ego ressource amp on your team... so you won't even refund the 6 ego ressources needed to cast lifetime stew. you have to find a sweet spot between a moment where taking seven damage at the end of the turn isn't terrible, but you could really use the healing, and not mind technically being hit.
Furthermore, we need to consider that faust heals the entire team, which lifetime stew isn't guaranteed to do (granted, those are under specific circumstances, but the possibility still exists)... And the "optimal" way to use lifetime stew is to use an id that is otherwise considered a bench-warmer, and is often considered the worst "tank" unit, due to the fact that it literally just... doesn't get to aggro? Oh actually i'm not going to get started on Jefe sinclair, i'll actually distort if i do.
There's a whole dimention that is only hoodwinked in this video at the very end: Fluid sac, if it only healed health, would be average as an ego. Fluid sac faust is loved as a healing ego because, outside of the ego ressources, it costs FIVE SP when rolling tails, because not only does she refund her own SP, but gives some to EVERYONE. And if you used her to win a clash (you know, what she can do, compared to lifetime stew), weren't at full SP, and rolled heads, it gives 15 MORE SP TO FAUST THAN IT TAKES. And there's not "bad outcome" of using it and rolling tails, as you still heal 5 sp more than you lost, if you won a clash. The real reason why you're using more ressources than most HE ego to use it, is that if by the time you can use her (which can be as early as turn three if you play your cards right), you might have had bad luck with clashing or might be facing a boss that likes to keep your sanity low and make things difficult for you... And at that point, you'll be able to both "erase" the damage dealt by the enemy with those bad clashes, but also make it so that you'll have a MUCH easier time for the rest of the fight: sanity is a snowball in this game, as better clashes means more sanity means better clashes.
And now, here's my OWN hot take: if you really need sinclair to heal, because for some reason fluid sac isn't enough... You can just bring a better ID than Jefe and use lantern, or even in some specific circumstances like fights with breakable parts and/or minions, impending day (which, hey, uses the same EGO slot lifetime does, can actually clash, has a +1 damage modifier instead of a -2, and allows you to bring a viable member of the team instead of an evade bot that will at most evade 3 attacks!). There are just too many points of friction in lifetime stew sinclair's design to be anything but a disappointing ego. It competes for its slot with another ego that doesn't require you to handicap yourself in order to make the best of it.
i'll give *something* to lifetime stew though: considering how GOOD for burn sinclair is, lifetime stew gaining a passive that compounds with dawn sinclair's OWN passive can pay off in raw amount of burn potency added (which, in long fights, basically translates to a LOT of pride damage due to magic bullet outis)
(also,a bonus argument there: if you're using jefe for the express purpose of using stew, you're probably not running sinking, or if you are, you're depriving yourself of one of the main team, in order to bring a unit with NO sinking ego and overall negative count. If you aren't running sinking but are bringing a sinking unit, that means you're running a generalist team. Which means you're just setting yourself back by not using two of the most powerful IDs in the game, nclair and cinqclair.)
we need this on the top comments
Can't forget about how lifetime stew can also stagger allies if their HP is below the stagger threshold
Now how about using Cinqclair on a speed team fishing for haste?
Would that work?
You failed to consider one thing
If you use lifetime stew to heal on an ally that's reached their stagger threshold they will get staggered. Even if the skill itself deals 0 fixed damage.
Thus leaving them vulnerable and if you can't redirect all clashes towards the staggered unit, they will take even more damage and be in a worse spot than before
Surely that would never happen though
RIGHT DULCINEA?!
@@SunshowerWonderlab 44 bleed 12 count moment
i had never, not even once seen K Hong Lu use his passive to avoid death. Until yesterday
@@SirGa1ahadi really need to start investing in rupture stock, my team legit only got like 40lv and likely stuck on ut3
counter argument: don't use mariachis Sinclair
My man mentioned Ego resource amp and haste but literally forgot about Faust's sanity heal.
There is nothing to heal if they are all at 45 SP 😆
@@d4m1r90IF everyone is at 45 sp, and if they arent, then its a godsent for sanity healing ESPECIALLY if it hits heads, since it REFUNDS ITS OWN SANITY COST and is only 5 negative if it hits tails. Fluid sack is a META Ego and it shall remain that way untill Kim Ji Hoon himself decides to give us an OP WAW or HE ego, and we know dang well it aint happening unless he smokes whatever the hell Welvader is smoking
@d4m1r90 Herself? Anyone else after they use an EGO? Last I checked this is a team game and other EGOs you may want to use exist?
@@d4m1r90 noob
Me when the soup ego hits the enemies with heads and heals nothing.
Me when the soup ego hits the enemies with tails and i get no ego resource amp.
EGO so good you can self-stagger your team with it depending on the situation
thank you, i've been struggling with the golden apple boss but after i slotted out regret faust for mariachi sinclair i was able to really take advantage of the 0,04 extra healing and thanks to the infinite damage i managed to kill the boss in one shot.
After watching this video I'm now sincerely convinced that you are more delusional than Don Quixote
1:38 Meanwhile Solemn Lament Gregor having a floor of *fucking 8* :
the edgar family heir gregor's s3 in my back pocket:
yeah now post the ceiling of lament gregor
@@zephyrsaix8319 11 (in a clash)
@@microwave_T.judas1997 Using U3 really doesnt help you with an argument
The only Ego that use sinking blue stone to full potential 🙏
Did not expect this video to give Welvader lore, how his TH-cam channel's very existence literally originated from the primordial soup that is Soupclair
welvader has absolutely lost it
Never cook again, your kitchen privileges have been removed
that cope could make any ego stronger than top tier egos
I know this is bait but I hope new players don't get misinformed 😅
Basically this video is summarized in Welvader huffing copium for 17 minutes straight, an amazing video indeed
i'm never seen so much copium in a single video XD
Honestly the Sin Generation part i cant aggre on
Since.... Impending Day EGO exist
And the 2 ID that CAN use Impending Day AKA N Sinclair and Dawn Office, actually just repay itself
And trust me, the fastest RR4 run straight up use Impending Doom on Dawn Office just so he can stupidly generate Envy and Gloom Resource
I just never used lifetime stew because it never clashed.
Bait used to be believable
OH SHI- IS THAT REDMIST!!!?
Maybe the Lifetime Stews were the Sinclairs (Twinks) we made along the way
This video is amazing because I genuinely can't tell if you're earnestly defending Soupclair, or if you've made the greatest delayed april fools video ever. Love it!
good video, counter argument: impending day
There is no way, Welvader really did it, 17 minutes of coping.
That takes lots of effort!
Bruh, when your research doesnt match reality you dont just declare science to be wrong. I will keep that Impending Day on my Sinclair.
we need justice for soda hong lu too
You know what, i said I wouldn't in the video but this video does well enough I will defend Soda Hong Lu to the best of my ability. (mostly to just piss of ESGOO cause it would be so funny)
@@Welvader pls stop, i hate soda Hong Lu soo much. The part i hate the most is the animation
The animation is the best in the game@@fitomi1989
@@fitomi1989 but that's the best part!
@@fitomi1989 that's the only good part
is this mirror world esgoo
Hello, this is evil esgoo, and while evil pm made a very good and easy to understand tutorial, im going to tell you to shard Soup Sinclair as your first ego
"Top 10 reasons why ESGOO's 'worst team possible' is actually goated beyond comprehension and he's just a baby"
-Welvader, probably
I wanna have what Welvader is smoking, he feels like he enjoyed proving Lifetime soup > Fluid Sac despite the numerous... Painful evidences lmao, fun video
ok whats next "Butcher Gregor is secretly the most meta unit in the game?"
Paralyze is pretty good
He do be fast too
AND HIS BLEED CONDITIONALS
@@protoney8122it's a mistyping it's actually the potency not the count
which make his bleed condition not that high to achive anymore
10 bleed potency is quite easy to achive in bleed team
@@jackthelarterns675
It was fixed. It’s count.
The true purpose of Welvader's limbus rants is to point out the following fact:
Almost everything in limbus can be situationally good.
Also, on garden of thorns gregor, before I didn't really see him as viable beyond mirror dungeons, but that all changed with Contempt, Awe.
Contempt, Awe being a powerful lust resonance EGO that additionally has an obscene EGO resource generating passive directly synergizes with Garden of Thorns to make it actually very good.
The reason garden of roses is not good is beacuse it is more expensive, doesnt have a great id that it fits with, and you cant build a team around an EGO which you would need to. Its not good for being used casually beacuse there is no team that greg fits with it and you lose resources you can direct a lot better. Everything can be good but only egos like this are only good if you have no choice
Why did I watch this whole video I don't even have lifetime sinclair
btw ut3 lasso (both sinners) also roll 10
If I wanted to use an Sinclair EGO that has healing and generates me EGO resources I would just use Impending Day. It also comes with the benefit of not having to use Mariachi Sinclair to maximize its value.
Bro manifested EGO to defend an EGO... How poetic
you are cooking NOTHING
edit: okay, yeah, I watched it and you cooking less than nothing, lmao
fuckin lifetime stew sinclair deniers smh... cant handle peak
I'm glad we have Dutch ESGOO here to explain our failings as a community and show us the holy light of Soup
This video is like walking into Esgoo's house and pour boiling soup on him
This is fucking ridiculous. Please make more.
So Lifetime Stew Sinclair is better than Fluid Sac Faust.. because it's worse than Fluid Sac Faust. This has to be peak slop posting. Never cook again 💯 🗣️🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥
I HATE LIFETIME STEW! I HATE LIFETIME STEW! ILL NEVER SUCCUMB TO PEER PRESSURE! I HATE LIFETIME STEW!!
I was here in the future
Well i expected more, I don't understand how you didn't mention it, but even tho by calculations healing from soupclair is better, fluid sack provides sp healing, which already makes it better than soup and again the healing you mentioned is possible if you take mariachi Sinclair which is already unrealistic. And the thing is, you could've talked about soup in burn teams(literally the only place where this ego can genuinely shine), but instead you chose to compare it to fluid sack
Acktually he did mention it. You just have to believe. 15:50
Did they ever fix the HP calculation? At lvl 45, Zwei Sinclair heals 21 HP with it when his HP is _over_ 220, so it actually heals LESS than 10% user HP...
But weldaver fluid sac faust's corrosion can deplete 20 sanity from 5 max enemie-
I use Lifetime Stew during my burn team mirror dungeon runs (Lius except Hong Lu who’s benched + NClair) and it definitely helps in the event his sanity gets a bit too high (I use Base Yi Sang to make corrosion less likely when Win-Rating) and also it’s fun to use especially when combined with Oracle often exchanging excess Wrath/Lust for Gluttony.
If I ended up doing my thesis on Torture, this video would have come up durig the joke section.
Welvader slowly upgrades his all collection to up4 and justifies spending resources on it.
If it's not 100% it may as well be 0%
Until people were fuming about how "bad" it is, i never really thought of it being bad. I like it a lot and it's damn impossible not to be able to fuel it.
Admittedly Lifetime stew will always be for just how inconsistent it is. I adore the concept behind it and the animations too but especially considering that this canto is oops all bleed and even if an attack doesn’t deal any damage if an id has less hp than its stagger bar from bleeding they will stagger. And sadly the ID that wants haste the most is Cinqclair…. who will never get Haste from this ego because the resource amp doesn’t target himself.
And admittedly I don’t think comparing it to fluid sac is the best representation of it. Fluid sac is largely the best for its sanity boost making it effectively go sanity positive for faust and the whole team and its corrosion is easily the most slept on aspect of it (-25 sanity and -2 power is a lot. Usually not as good as the heal but the fact it can comes as an options is even better).
A much more accurate comparison would be to Sinclair’s best ego Lantern as it actually has similar sins needed to fuel it and is also on Sinclair which just what reveals all of soups flaws. For 1. even before getting into the effects Lantern is perfectly fueled by two of Sinclair’s ids one of which being Cinqclair. 2. Strong AOE slash attacks are quite rare and one so easily fuel able is amazing. 3. You never “want” heals, you often need heals and if the choice is between a heal that could hypothetically be higher by a small margin but can randomly do the opposite or one that heals as long it hits…. players are going to gravitate towards the one that doesn’t accidentally stagger themselves because of a boss’s unavoidable bleed build up.
I do wish that it got just a slight rework because the flavor and idea behind it is amazing and I wanna justify sharding it but just cannot muster the motivation for where it is currently
I get what you are saying and the ultimate point you are trying to make which is: It isn't THAT bad (for the cost). Regardless there is a ton of counter arguments such as you are expecting people to change members just to get the ego to work may it be those who like haste or having an awful ID of Sinclair just for more health. I argue just use Rodion or Sault healing drip ego instead where they can hold their own with any IDs you want them to have without being the rest of the team around it. Likewise I feel being cheaper only helps so much. It not like you (should) be spamming ego every turn, ego are for burst damage and what effects they may give for that given moment. If you really need healing during a mirror run I think you kinda doing something wrong but people seem to sleep on Impending Day which give everyone 20% of their health on a kill of an enemy (the ego even buff itself if the enemy low on health!) which is also a teth ego under the same sinner. Ignoring the attack power up and just looking exclusively at the healing 195 (your number for avg HP) * 0.20 (heal amount) = 39 / 5 (sin resources) = 7.8. Using your own logic and arguments I literally found a better ego of the same tier on the same ID that is outright better than Soup for healing. Heads or Tails rolls doesn't matter, it will always heals too. So final counter argument is that I know an ego that was easier to get than soup that was better by default for healing at least. I'll be my own devil advocate and say it will only work on kill but still, how much healing does one need during a single encounter?
I'm sure you mostly made this video out of entertainment and just to say it isn't THAT bad but the logic on the video kinda fall apart easily though.
Why did I even watched this, manager esquire?
So you can see someone disort in real life for a twink
So, next video will be like "why soda hong lu is the second best ego in the game"
Aint no way I'm running Mariachis Sinclair just for lifetime stew lol. Great vid 👍😎👍
Well yes if you allways hit tails on lifetime stew Sinclair you may very well be able to use its power 10 single coin skill every turn to deal infinite burn damage to your allys
I'd say the biggest upshot to Fluid sac vs soupclair is the sanity gain, really. While it does get (potentially) inched out raw healing- the SP gain let's you drag units who've whiffed a bunch of clashes back into feasibility + refunding its own sanity cost and/or enabling ego spamming everyone
That remindss me of one phrase. "In this game, only healing is never good. Why would you spend much needed resource for just heal, when you can dmg their tower instead." It was a vid about heal spell in clash royale. Anyways. I don't have that thing. And I won't spend my boxes on him, since I need streamer and russian girl.
Wel forgetting the fact that while using mariarchi sinclair is the most optimal for healing getting his sanity up to actually heal teammates is miserable and every time you use the ego youre set back on said valueable SP.
Also even if cost refunds it still costs said sanity
Also if it fully refunded that means 6/7 attack weight has hit your team and not the enemy so whatever damage he does with that last hit is outweight by 6*7= 42 burn damage to the team he did this move.
Bait used to be believeable...
welvader rants about a twink with soup for 17 minutes
I love that this video is functionally:
"LIFETIME STEW LITERALLY OUTDAMAGES AND OUTHEALS FLUID SAC?????!?*
*the statements made in this video have not been approved by the FDA and are taken from a study of average health of IDs with optimal conditions for Lifetime Stew. This is not medical advice. Please consult your doctor if you are experiencing a medical emergency."
Bro forgetting that his whole argument hinges on using mariachi sinclair
Even tho we know it was amazing ego, how he cooking the soup into making us more highly profit from this ego is
hell yeah (i dont have either fluid faust or lifetime sinclair lol)
I sharded for Lifetime Stew, now lets watch the video
3 minutes in i think i got scammed
@@Ishmaelsquidhe does not have good taste
@@Ishmaelsquidyou been trolled you been trolled yes you have been trolled
0:23
(My pov)
- Goes on Google
- Searches up lifetime stew Sinclair
- Sees it's stats and effects (including corrosion)
Clearly, Welvader is onto something
Like weed
You're using stewclair to heal hp, I'm using fluid sac to heal sanity, we're not the same
you forget to account for that even if it rolls heads, it only heals each ally that it hits, and it's indiscriminate. if there are multiple enemies, it becomes incredibly volatile and unreliable, as there's no guarantee you hit the allies that actually need healing.
When the people needed to hear it, somebody said it.
Lust resonance lifetime stew Sinclair build is called "Lust child labour build" in Korea btw.
this logic reminds me of how you can argue that every card in slay the spire is technically a block card... i love this. i will now spend all of my sinclair egoshards on lifetime stew instead of waiting for philip sinclair to come back.
I respect the dedication
as a soda hl appreciator, I can accept lifetime stew Sinclair superiority
THE TRUE VALUE of Stew Sinclair, is that he gets really dizzy and it's adorable or hot if you're into that.
To be completely honest, I want Project Moon to release a Sinclair ID that has an absurdly high health pool, and gets benefits based on how much he heals and shields the other Sinners. Having Sinclair become a dedicated healer by spamming Cavernous Wailing, Lifetime Stew and Lantern genuinely sounds like so much fun, it's a shame that his high-HP IDs are so bad.
Also, about the Corrosion: Who said anything about Overclocking for it? I personally love to use N-Sinclair and carefully manage his SP so that he hits -45 at the same time that there are several staggered/low-health enemies, so I can get some free kills and activate the passive at no cost. That risk/reward is far more enjoyable than equipping him with Impending Day.
Though, of course, making this _consistent_ also means locking yourself out of other Sinclair E.G.O, so it's not exactly viable... still, I have fond memories of this tech back in Season 1 and 2!
Dam, my guy found a way to run Musketeer Sinclair and Mexican Sinclair at the same time! P.O.G