Impact of Break in Service Dies non and EoL in Central govt of India on service
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Detailed explanation of rules... Really helpful...
Important for us👌🏻🙏🏻
Well explained,,Really helpful sir..
Really very helpful information.
Quite informative. Please re-do about dies-non for suspension period.
Very informative 🙏
Glad you think so!
Well explained 👏
Kindly make a video on study leave.
Sir,
Very good morning.
Is 2months period of EOL taken (without medical) is counted for MACP or this 2months is deducted and postponed MACP for 2months? Pls clarify I am asking about EOL without MC..
Sir, u said in your video between 7:55 min to 8:05 min that HPL will be deducted for dies non period and pay will not be paid. One employee has 155 days dies non period and only 50 days HPL in his account. How is dies non period will be adjusted. Please clarify.
Unauthorised absence is to be treated as break in service or dies non. What is break in service and dies non. Please tell me authority where definition of these two terms have been written.
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Sir , during eol , that period is counted in service or not ?
Example - if I took 3 month eol without medical and there is rule for department exams of continuous service of 3 years , so the period I am on leave counted in continuous service or not
for departmental exam approved service is counted. chk rules for approved service in your recruitment rules. In general all leaves counted as approved service.
So in case of EOL it is not counted as break in service because in my case i have a EOL of 49 days so my work experience is 2 years. So from my experience these 49 days will be deducted or not please reply
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Sir
Mein national library mein 5 saal mts pein kam karta tha.. mujhe POstal assistant mila hain... Uska inhouse training order mujhe 13th nov 2023 se diya tha.. lekin maine extension liye the 15 din ka through mail..maine technical resignation 23th nov 2023 ko diye the aur 24th nov 2023 ko joining karne gaya tha.. lekin post office ka superintendent usdin office mein available na hone ke waja se mujhe next working day 28th nov 2023 ko joining issue kiya..25th,26th,27th nov. Holiday tha. Mera dono office same station hain... To isme mera gap 4din ka ho gaya hain... Isko kyase make up karu?Plz help sir
Sir,as discussed above I was on eol ,it is regular service for macp,is it qualifying service also?what is the difference between regular service and qualifying service
qualifying service is used for calculating pension etc. here clarification is only for MACP
What are the actions taken by the department if they break the service?? Will they intimate the employee that your service has been broken,,? If yes then by what mean will they inform the employee,,,
Is there any provison which enables a competent authority to consider the request of Govt. Servant (who was on unauthorised absence in continution of Leave or his unauthorised absence stands alone) to grant him any kind of Leave viz. EL retrospectively on his return to duty???
No specific provision. But Leave sanctioning authority can do it
You can go to central administrative tribunal
Sir, I was on EOL on medical ground for three years. Will this period of EOL be counted as regular service or continuous service for promotion/DPC or not. If yes please give reference of OM. Can this period of EOL affect my promotion? Please reply soon.
If EOL on the basis of medical and study it will not affect your service period
If any person technically resigned from one service and joined another service after some duration (for ex 2 months) in central govt service whether it is considered as break in service? What is impact of that on new service?
yes. it is break in service if it is more than joining period. but joining time alongwith regular leave is allowed
Does absence in compliance of court counts as unauthorized absence? Moreover, does a break in service lapse my seniority?
what do you by compliance of court?
Sir, if i relieve on friday from 1 Central govt. Job through technical resignation and join other central govt. Job on monday, will it be considered break in service ?
you get joining time. If you join same station then 1 day. Sat will b joining time and Sunday you can suffix with joining time. So no break in Service. if it is a outstation then also your joining time will start from Saturday
How service break will effect d.a and increment
Let suppose my service break in November and previous increment on January then when i got my next increment and how d.a calculated
it depends upon the circumstances lead to break in service. like participation in strike etc lead to brak in service with forfeiture of past service too. which is very severe and exception. so if break in service is there department condone it with dies non means only that period is not counted for any purposes. if person has 6 months QS excluding that period of dies non he/she ll get increment on time. D.A. question not understood. please clarify what exactly you want to ask
After 37 yers of service, at the time of retirement, in 2024,august, i am being informed that i was on dies non period in 1998 for 11 days as entry in my service book, now what should i do, will i get all benefit like pension, el cashmemt, gratuity etc,??
dies non means your period of 11 days will not counted for purpose of pension. if still you have qualifying service you ll get full benefits. Ask from them total qualifying service. if it is still more than 33 years. don't bother you ll get full benefits
Suspension followed by minor penalty will be treated as duty.
Good video sir. Rules have been explained in detail and also in clear cut terms
Sir may a government servant take LTC while he is on EOL.
Manoj Aggarwal
NCB
Yes he Can since EoL is a regular kind of Leave
@@ordersdecoded So in case of EOL it is not counted as break in service because in my case i have a EOL of 49 days so my work experience is 2 years. So from my experience these 49 days will be deducted or not please reply
@@entertainmentofficer6197 depends 2 yrs of service is required or 2 years of working experience is required
@@ordersdecoded I have 2 years of experience in between that 49 days are EOL so my work experience 2 years or these 49 days will be deducted or not
@@entertainmentofficer6197 Treatment of EoL is different under different condition. EoL with medical ground generally not treated duty unless it is due to civil comotion or for higher technical study. it is not counted for increment or even for pension and qualify for department exam
Sir i have one question on EOL without medical certificate regarding i am facing two cases in my office one person was on leave on around feb 2020 and all her leave exhausted around June and then she applied for EOL due to covid pandemic and his/her leave was granted for 3 months and he joined on around september 20 her date on increment was 1st july and we gave him/her increment from september 20 only as we discussed and we found that 6 month service was done by him/her during 1st july 19 to 1st july 20 was that increment correct and EOL without medical certificate was granted to him same case i found for an officer in his/her service book around 2003 he/she also get increment. My concern is if anyone get approved EOL without medical certificate and completed six month of service during the period of increment will he/she get next increment or increment will be next year please refer OM is anyone is so ??
1st of all increment will given from 1st Jul only thing lady officer will get financial effect from Sep 2020 When she joined back. Subjet to het completing 6 months of qualifying service.
2nd thing is EoL (Without medical) can also be counted towards qualifying service. When it is due to civil commotion or if GS has gone to acquire higher studies with permission. EoL due to personal reason are subject to approval depending upon case to case. For exam if a GS could not join office due to he stuck at its home toen due to bad weather can be counted. Approval of Competent Authority is required in this case. For clarification you can refer CCS(Leave rules 1972. EoL section
Sir,
Someone joined in service, do it for 20 days and then got the order to complete his running educational degree with Dies-non category for approx 11 months. then rejoin the service. My questions---
1. wheather his date of joining will be changed or not?
2. what will be his service age? i.e., seniority of service. whether the previous 20 day will count or not?
Please mention the rule details with urgent manner.
Why he was allowed to join when education degree was not complete.
If allowed then in order it must be mentioned that ehat will happen to his seniority. Normal circumstances his 20 day will count in service
Dies non without break in service ke order mai pay calculation kaise hogi,
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please share details of case
Period of dies non will be deducted from EL (15 - period *1/10) or HPL(10 - period*1/18) or both ?
In both. however for El 1/10 of EoL is also deducted. plus no El or HPL will be added for WRIIL period
Then sir yadi koi employee 15 Jan to 25 may unauthorized absence mein hai aur uski dies non ki penalty impose kr di jati...
(I) 1 January to 30 June how many El will be credited in his/her account?
(2) how many hpl will be credited in his/her account w.e.f. 1 Jan to 30 June?
(3) n Jo uski hpl n El debit hogi due to dies non toh wo Kya July to December means (10 days hpl n 15 days earned leave credit) waha se debit hogi Kya?
Sir,I was on eol for going abroad for 2yrs duly sanctioned by competent authority,kindly clarify if I am eligible for macp as I have completed 10 yrs as per order"regular service shall include all periods spent on deputation foreign service study leave and all other kind of leaveduly sanctioned by competent authority"
read this you ll get your answer and this policy is applicable not only for railaways but all department as decision was taken in consultation with DoP&T
indianrailways.gov.in/railwayboard/uploads/directorate/pay_comm/PC5/2014/01_07_2014.pdf
Thanku sir
Sir what will be the consequences for unauthorised leave more than 6 months and less than one year. What will be the disciplinary actions. Pls reply
depends upon disciplinary authority. It has not been mentioned anywhere that for this type of misconduct this type of penalty will be given
Sir I was on medical leave for 3 years I have medical certificates countersigned by Cmo.Will I be able to join the duty again with full effect
Why not. even EoL on medical ground make it qualifying service
sir, i technical resign from tcm-3 railway post on 24/02/2023 to join sr cctc post in other division , i went to that division with appointment letter, but i found there that they have no training shedule they said me to wait at least 6 month, suppose they will send me training on august 2023. date of joining will effect from that day my training start. so i want to ask you that is break in service or not?
why break in service. it is not your fault. They don't hv a training schedule. Hv they sent you offer of appointment. if yes. they hv to take you on strength. Ask them to give you joining. Otherwise tell them that you ll go to CAT. if they don't give you joining later on they might say you had not reported to duty
Sir
I have a doubt
I was in EOL for more than 6 month with medical certificate.. i was diagnosed with tuberculosis
Will i get increment ?
Yes
Previous service means if done ten years service
Full null and void??
All deposit leaves will be lapsed????
No. service will not be counted for purpose of LTC, Deptt exam and Pension
Will it be counted for promotion??
Sir i hv taken 50 days eol but medical board mere certificate approve nhi kr raha ab agr absentee krte h dies non hota h to ky meri psst service b 0 hogi?
generally not
What are the grounds to take EOL for permanent employee?
No specific ground. either GS has no other leave available or he/she gives in writing applying for EoL. only thing is max period of any leave including EoL should not exceed 5 yrs in single spell
Sir I am on lien returning from new job to parent organization will it be treated as break in service
No. But if for any LDCE exam word Continuous service is written then you ll not be eligible for that exam till you complete it again after rejoining
NQS period Order ko court mai Challenge kr skte hai kya ?? HOO supportive documents k babjood bhi NQS karwaya diya hai.
After exhausting official channels you can go to CAT
@@ordersdecoded What is CAT ? I worked in paramilitary forces
@@sahebsaha5873 central Administrative tribunal.
@@ordersdecoded ok sir. Many many thanks
Sir,,,if a person was on leave from 21.04.2021 to 26.05.2021 and could not join on 27.05.2021 due to his father's illness and join on 31.08.2021,,,will his service be not continuous??will he be elligible to give other competitive exams in age relaxation given to a civil central government servant,,,as of 26.05.2021 he has served for 2.5 years..
What was the department response to this absence. Whether his leave was extended? If yes no Break in Service means it is a continuous service
@@ordersdecoded sir he intimated the department till 27.05.2021,,,then he did not intimated till 30.08.2021,,,now he got the warning letter,,,and joined the duty on 31.08.2021...still his service will break???
@@VISHALSINGH-wx6qm Let senior officers decide the fate of period of absence. If they regularised this period as leave No break in service. If they say start displinary action against him then he might get a dies non which may hv one of the effect
(a) all past service lost which is very severe generally not given in these petty cases
(b) dies non with no loss of past service just to remove this gap. he will not get any pay for the period of absence and continuity of service will also break as dies non period itself doesn't count for any purpose
@@ordersdecoded sir he already joined the duty,,,they just warned him not repeat again via chetawani letter...said he has broken the rule 3(ii),,,if it happens in future strict actions will be taken,,,kya ap par v service break hogi??
@@ordersdecoded sir they haven't taken any disciplinary actions,,,just the warning letter,,,,will my service of 2.5 years will be counted and there will be no service break during my leave,,,
Sir maine 15 March 2023 ko technical resignation diya tha goods guard ki post join krne ke liye lekin unke paas training schedule nhi hone k karan ab tak joining nhi ho payi hai aur ab mera selection cgl me ho gya hai ab mai ye cgl wali join krna chahta hun to kya meri service break maani jayegi?
Bina offer letter ke technical resignation kaise diya?
agar join kiya to break in service kyun hogi?
Offer of appointment ke baad hi diya tha technical resignation lekin ab tak joining nhi hui hai aur ab mai cgl wali post join karna chahta hu
Sir i was absent for 1 day unauthorised..What vl b my effects.
they can grant you any regular leave including EoL Or may be Dies Non but only after a disciplinary proceedings. In worst scenario they may treat it as break in Service.
Sir, if an employee is on EOL without MC, will his that particular period will be counted as qualifying period or regular period for appearing in Departmental Exam ??
qualifying service for what???
For appearing in SO Departmental Exam conducted by UPSC.
@@RakeshSharma-iw3wk generally UPSC asked for approved service which is different from what you are asking
@@ordersdecoded Sir, does that means the candidate is eligible for exam as his approved service will count the period of his EOL without MC ?
No
Worked june 2021 but, Salary not received for the june 2021 month, unauthorized absence of 1 year 6 month. Again joined in Sept 2022 for one month, not received salary then unauthorized absence of 6 months, joined on march 2023, faced break in service. Will i receive salary of june 2021 and sept 2022
salary for work and unauthorised absence are two different thing but here you hv note worked for more than 01 month each time. So they might get a chance to credit your salary. Legally you hv right on your pay subject to other deduction if applicable
Past service b 0 hui kya apki??? Y sirf absent period break hua
Sir, i have completed 3.5 years service in central govt.
I have remaining only 10 EL. Can i take 6 months EOL for preparation of SSC CGL exam.
Agar mujhko sir EOL grant ho jati hai to kya ye break in service kahlayegi kya sir
6 months ki EOL lene ke bad mai central government jobs me age relaxation ke eligible hu kya sir KYOKI USME ALTLEAST 3 YEARS KI REGULAR SERVICE HONI CHAHIYE
Please reply sir thanks🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😊
Probation clear ho gya to 5 yrs ki bhi le skte ho provided koi de jis ground pe aap maang rahe ho. As Leave is not a RIGHT rule 7(1)
@@ordersdecoded thanks
155 days of an individual has been declared as dies non he has only 50 HPL in his account. Please clarify how his dies non period will be deducted.
what is the relation between dies non and HPL. dies non period will be treated as non qualifying service it is not deducted from any leave account
Sir, u said in ur video at 7:55 minute to 8:05 minutes that HPL will be deducted for dies non period. So I raised my above question.
@@ordersdecoded Sir, in video at 7:55 minutes to 8:05 minutes you said that HPL will be deducted for dies non period.So I raised above question.please clarify my doubt.
Sir me capf personal hu.
Sir mere leave se late hone par 77 days LHP WITH NO LAEVE SALARY aur 20days E/L me kiya he..
Kya mughe MACP usi samay par lagega
Order mei kya likha hai. Agar qS count nahi hua then jitne din HPL lagaya utne din late hoga
@@ordersdecoded order me ye likha he sir....
1. Earlier sanctioned 13 days C/L wef.11/02/2021 to 28/02/2021 including permissions(total 18 days) is here by cancelled and regularised into 18 days earned leave..
2. His osl period 03/03/21 to 16/05/21 = 77 days is hereby regularised into LHP ( With No Leave Salary).
Sir,I was on leave for 15 days and went to abroad(with permission ,NOC) ,due to personal reasons I couldn't attend duty , I informed to my higheer authority for leave extension they Denied .I left with only 45 days leave sir .kya mei abhi without medical certificate EOL 6 months apply karskti huu ??
Unauthorised absence kha kya disciplinary action liya jayegaa sir ??
Please reply sir
Please reply sir
depnding upon severity Major disp proceedings can be initiated. As far as leave EoL is concerned even that you can't take without office permission. and as far as medical leave is concerned Don't try to submit forged certificate as it may lead to another ground for disp action
Sir,major disciplinary action means will they terminate the job??
I received mail from HR to join the duty if not action will be taken against me ,sir ,agar mei mails kho reply nhi Diya tho kitna din wait karegaa for initiating disciplinary action ?
Mei sach mei family issues kha vaze je struck hogaya , but without documents they are not accepting my request
Now what can I do further to extend anykind of leave sir .
Please suggest
@@bhavani008why don't you join duty when your employer instructs you to join again and again. Naturally, action will be taken against you.
Sir can you please tell
Under which rule dies non can be condone for appearing in LDCE ?
dies non can't be condoned. only one thing can happen that competent Auth convert it to some Authorised leave
@@ordersdecoded ok sir. Under which rule sir? Can it be converted to EOL?
@@varuungupta No specific rule. Simply controlling officer will recommend grant of leave and sanctioning Authority will grant leave
@@ordersdecoded okk sir. Thank you so much
What is the meaning of forfeit of past service?
Means entire service pre break will not be counted specifically for pension purposes
Sir m abhi eol pr hun meri eol bhi khatam hone wali hai, papa bimar hai mujhe ghar rehne ki neeed hai bcs my office is 2000km away from home what should I do now?
EoL ka to koi account nahi hota. Only thing is continuous leave should not be more than 5 Years. Agar 5 years hone wale hain then only president has power to grant more than 5 years leave. If you ll not join even after 5 years then it will be presumed you hv resigned
@@ordersdecoded sir meri service ko 1 year 3month hi complete hui hai before EOL provisional period bhi complete nahi hua hai papa ko brain hembarage hua mujhe aur leave chaiye to m aab kya kru? Thanks for replying sir
rules mei 90 days hi hai EoL. baaki dept can process a case and ask for clarification/approval of nodal ministery(DoPT)
Sir can dies non be given for an employee who reaches office late without any intimation
yes
depending upon gravity of offence
@@ordersdecoded But surely they have to build the case first like first time warnings etc
@@prateektiwari7478 definetly. but image a scenario that a railway driver come late for 1st time and resulting in waiting of thousand of ppl. dozens of trains getting delayed due to him. it totally depends upon nature and gravity of offence in that particular case.
@@ordersdecoded Understood Sir.... Thank you so much 😊
Sir i m working in animal husbandary and dairying department ,Haryana..
I want to take EOL on personal reasons..
How it will effect my increment and ACP .
KINDLY SUGGEST 🙏
Mera increment January m lgta h..
Aur mujhe EOL october 2021 se march 2022 tk leni h..
How it will effect my increment and ACP ..
Mujhe 4 sal ho gye service krte huye
MACP no efect. If after deducting EoL qualifying service is less than 6 month in a year then increment will be postpone till next year
Year.. april se march count hoga na sir ????
@@manishbeniwal7162 No dt of increment se next dt of increment tak
Mera increment January m lgta h ..
To ab m October 2021 se Feb 2022 ( 1 feb ko join kru to ) tk EOL leta hu .. on personal reasons ..
Then effect hoga kya .. Increment pr ..
Sir i am working in income tax i joined on 11th jan 2024 but resigned on 19th jan 2024 and came home but again i rejoined on 28th feb then what will be the effect on the absence period on ky service plzz review sir
on what condition dept allowed you to join??? please clarify
@@ordersdecoded after resigning on 19th jan I have made a withdrawal of resignation request then they told me that my resignation was not accepted and before that I have made a withdrawal request then it will be deemed to be withdrawn according to govt rules but after rejoining my officer told the authority about my absence and that's why im worried about it
@@pavneshkumar1028 you can apply for any leave which is available
@@ordersdecoded ok sir
Central government employees ki leave ke baare me video banaye sir
ok. two videos are already in pipeline. After that will make one on leave rules
Detailed description of rules sir....Good to see you after a long time.
Plz publish more videos relates to leave rules, Ltc
@@gunjankumar8006 Sure
Vary gd explaination about d ruley of govt service 👍
Sir....
Pls try to provide me an explanation with reference to any OM, if possible
Suppose, two candidates are there
Rank 1 & Rank 2
Candidate Rank 1 -
goes to EOL for 6 months in probation period (without MC)/with MC
After some 5 years of service of first candidate (say it will be completed on November month), who will be the senior for promotion post?
Pls try to explain 1) with & with out MC and 2) within probation & after probation both effects
Sir iam government employee in polytechnic working as supplier in class 4 cader.i want 1 year Eol leave.is it any problem for job sirrr
if you are permanent you ll get it but please note that your service on eol will not counted for grant of increment.
@@ordersdecoded tq sooo much sirrr.i am permenent employees
Sir Kya dies non and break in service same punishment h?
No Dies non break in service se bachane ke liye diya jaata hai. but some time its effect it so severe that it forfeit past service
Matlab sir break in service ka Matlab govt. Employee ki previous jitni b service ki hai wo sari khatam ho jayegi?
Aur newly trike se naukri start hogi uski?
@@AmitKumar-fg2um NOT ALWAYS. IT IS SEVERE PENALTY KI PAST SERVICE KHATAM KAR DO BUT YES AISA HO SKTA HAI AGAR COMPTENET AUTHORITY CHAHE TO
Sir, i have 80 hpl in my account ,but boss enforce me leave without pay, is this right or any rule, pls clarify
Wrong. read rule 7(2)
@@ordersdecoded pls advice and clearify rules
@@gulatidelhi6185 rule is self explanatory. leave sanctioning authority can't alter type of leave applied for
@@ordersdecoded sir, boss refused no need to go to leave and if you have to go then only leave without pay ,request u pls advice in this condition how much salary will be deduct and leave adjustment in service book
@@gulatidelhi6185 well in that cse your boss only wants that you face a financial loss. i can only explain rule position.
Dies non mai macp kaise milegi
Specific case bataiye tabhi comment kar paunga
Hello sir, मैं अभी केंद्रीय लोक निर्माण विभाग में एलडीसी के पोस्ट पे कार्यरत हूं। मैने पिछले मंथ 16 दिनों की छुट्टी ली थी जो की विभाग द्वारा approve किया गया था। लेकिन उसके बाद मैं बीमार हो गया था जिसके वजह से मैं ऑफिस ज्वाइन नही कर पाया। मैने मेडिकल सेरिफिकेट दिया लेकिन वह gov rule के according nhi था जिसके कारण मुझसे clarification मांगा गया है। मैने clarification ke साथ ही department से माफ़ी भी मांग ली है लेकिन वो मुझे 41days के लिए dies non करने वाले है। मेरी वर्तमान में अपने स्टेट gov की जॉब के लिए भी फाइनल चयन हो गया है जिसके वजह से मैं रिजाइन करने वाला हूं। मेरा सवाल यह है की क्या मुझे अपनी नई जॉब में कोई परेशानी हो सकती है।
honi to nahi chahiye. excepy te 41 days service mei count nahi honge
Same situation meri b apko dies non kia to phir past service b break hui kya bhai
@@harshameharchandani5494 nhi. Sirf absent period break hua tha.
@@AmitKSingh-zy6fc thank u me b same situation m hu actually 50 din leave li ab medical ko ayogya bata re h to past service ka dar lag rha h
@@harshameharchandani5494 koi baat nhi. Koi bahut bada issue create nhi hoga.
Show causes letter milega ek. Agar ye first time hai to ek warning v milegi aur fir sb kuchh waise hi chalega pehle ki tarah.
I have exact one year of service with 3 month EOL which is regularised as written in letter given to me.
For request transfer 01 year stay at present is required.
Am I elegible to fill the form ? Please reply it's really urgent sir.
It is department specific. As far as EOL is concerned reasons are imp. Generally EoL with medical conditions are allowed. EoL due to civil commotions and also due to scientific studies are also allowed
@@ordersdecoded I have taken online lectures form home intially due to corona. I was paid but later they have done recovery stating EOL regularised.
Nothing more have been written.
@@tejaschauhan5018 It is enough. Your period has been treated as duty. Since you were working from Home
3 saal ki service me 1 din dies non hai to kya wo 3 year continuous service nhi hogi? Or 1 din EOL without MC hai to continuous hogi yaa nhi hogi service?
continuous to nahi hai. dies non period count nahi hota service mei. EoL is regular leave
Sir, I was on EOL on medical ground for three years. Will this period of EOL be counted as regular service or continuous service for promotion/DPC or not. If yes please give reference of OM. Can this period of EOL affect my promotion? Please reply soon.
reason for EoL?
@@ordersdecodedEOL with medical certificate for depressive disorder
@@ordersdecoded EOL with medical certificate for depressive disorder
@@ordersdecoded reply please
@@ordersdecoded Sir reply please