Hey mate, Nick from LoL here. Thanks for the shout out! I do find it a little unsetting someone listens to my voice to fall asleep at night but what ever floats your boat 😉
Hah! For what it's worth mate, I have ADHD so I can't sleep in silence. You are, quite literally, better than nothing 😂 Podcast is a banger though! Long may it continue
Important note about the Infinity Army app: the rules and keywords for unit abilities are actually clickable and fully accessible through the app. It means you don’t even *need* to buy the full rule book (though it is nicer and slightly easier)
In theorey you dont need it. But in theory you never do, if your not the GM ;) This a little under 600 Sites... truth be told: You want them! But of course... You want to do the characters in the app, no matter how many books you own XD. Great game!
It is amazing how much we feel we have to put up with when we buy in to GW games. Your Infinity videos are making me give some real thought to jumping ship.
Infinity was created following a creators playing a modified RPG. They built the tabletop skirmish game from there and used their RPG as the base. Years later, the officially created a RPG that has numerous books with a ton of lore within - that goes down to the minute details such as brands of clothing and weapons and the stylistic traits of this brands, etc. The world of infinity is immense. And then there’s the core books, manga, and the website too
@@TesseractMinis I will almost certainly do that man, I'm just about to have a good window of hobby time coming up in the next couple of weeks, so I'll come be sociable. :)
You forgot to mention some benefits to Infinity. Army size. You only need a fraction of the models to have a full army. That means less painting, and you can actually afford to buy multiple armies. Also, the models are gorgeous!!! No more 40 identical Marines and $45 HQs.
Welcome to the fandom, I moved from warhammer to infinty last year, I did so for reasons like what you said, models costs but the most important is fun. I honestly find infinity much more fun to say, i don't lose my entire army to a beta strike horde of sanguinary guard or get shot off the table by imperial fist artillery. I can rock up to a game bring a fun list and still have a great time. That's something i lost with warhammer years ago.
Love the minis for this game. I have painted my share of them too. Granted I don’t paint them in usual clean style we always see I go for a gritty look.
Another FREE thing is PDFs of tokens. I got a 1" hole punch to cut them out and then used 1" disks to put them on. Otherwise you can also buy tokens from 3rd party. Corvus Belli also has great relationships with 3rd party sellers. Warsenal, Micro Arts, and more.
I'm planning, when I find time, to design a full range of silhouette tokens and common tokens, which will be available as STL files and as physical prints from my store
If you have a lot of experience with plastic models like from Warhammer or even just model kits in general, the pewter miniatures in Infinity are not that big of a step up (anecdotally speaking). But I will agree-- depending on where you live, it can be challenging to find other players, especially since Covid is still kind of a thing.
Ah, yes, the book bloat of 40k...or "why I stopped playing in 8e and started waiting for the Calvinball to stop". [MALIFAUX FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY] Seriously, at one point, to play my Tau, I needed: - Main book - Main Codex - Mont'Ka/Kau'Yon (Equivalent to the Psychic Awakening books) - Three Chapter Approved books - The Farsight Enclaves Sub-Faction Book - An FAQ for each of the above
@@TesseractMinis Like I said..."Calvinball". The rules would change on a monthly basis, and it cost money to stay up to date. 9e was looking, comparatively, fairly stable...until I suddenly developed a massive stab wound in my back. (The reason I keep making fun of Malifaux...the transition between first and third editions was so absurdly chaotic that rules were changing HOURLY, with FAQs for the FAQs, and errata for the errata. Pair this with the only other player being a bad-faith gamer who was sitting there hitting refresh on the FAQs every phase...)
@@SlytherpuffHouse Right, I just didn't like the new direction for the sculpts quite as much, some of the ways the writing went, and...well, that other player I mentioned. He moved to California, and now nobody here plays Malifaux. That guy cheated like crazy, cheesed the rules, and generally wasn't a good person to play with. BUT...I could stack a deck of cards just poorly enough to have enough bad draws that I could plausibly not be cheating. Dude cheated three times a round, to the point that the store owner was calling him on it...but he'd have meltdowns when I'd occasionally have the cards I needed to not just die outright.
I'm deciding on whether to jump into 40K or something else you just sold me on Infinity. From time to time me and my kids buy blisters from random games when they're on sale at the local game store. Got some for 40K and infinity. I think we might start playing Infinity
Both are nice games with huge communities. Only difference is that one company uses predatory sales practices and fights a war against their own fanbase/ customers. While the other is in that regard pretty much the opposite. I think I do not need to clarify who is who^^
One thing I would say about Infinity, you do need a lot more scenery than you do in most GW games. That being said, I still think Infinity is better than GW equivolent!
I'd say if you're building 9th ed 40K tables as per the recommended tournament scenery, it's not a ton of difference tbh. When you consider the infinity tables are all smaller, the density is definitely much higher but the amount probably isn't, by much.
@@TesseractMinis Looking at the table from last night 8 major buildings - at least 6*4 inches the largest some 8 by 8 4 smaller building, 10 cars and some 20 other random LoS blockers That on a 4' by 4' table
The cardstock terrain in the latest couple of starter kits is seriously sturdy stuff if you want to build a table for cheap, and there's a range of awesome MDF companies that produce dedicated Infinity Terrain if you want to go insane on it.
@@SlytherpuffHouse The third party stuff is indeed excellent. So excellent in fact I think I might have spent more on it that the models at this point. On the plus side, our table does look like something from a Masamune Shirow manga.
Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding for in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war. There is no peace among the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting . . . gods?
I'd go more with "less complicated" instead of less complex, but that's just me being fussy about specifics. Complicated just means needlessly complex to the point of confusion whereas complexity in itself is still graspable while intricate.
I think that's quite accurate, Infinite is a more complex game than anything GW makes, but it's also a lot less complicated, because it doesn't have as much fiddly baggage and bullshit you need to track down how something works.
You can even get "werewolves" and in Beyond Crimson Stone is a "werebear"! Actually the children of people infected by an alien virus that changes their genetic code.
lol I find the rules of N4 are just as or less complex than 40k. People are just not used to another game. I've played board games that are more complex! You might want to get in touch with the guy that has the channel Infinity Gamer and do a video together talking about the game.
It depends. The basic rules for movement, shooting et al are no more complicated than they are in 40K, in fact most of the time it's just rolling the die (D20s in this case) and applying modifiers based on unit stats and things like cover, exactly as you would in 40K. Hacking can get a bit more convoluted (they have tried to simplify it in N4) but it's kind of like Warhammer Fantasy's magic system versus 40K's Psychic system (though like 40K, at least one faction has no hacking game for the most part, and for most factions how much or little you want to dip into it is entirely in the hands of the players). I think when people say it's more complex they're talking more about the decision space than the rules as such. If you're used to something more akin to 40K's traditional 'I go, you go' system with discreet phases for moving, shooting etc then ARO can be a bit of a shock. Not only are you dealing with much more flexibility in what actions you can take, but you also have the fact that your opponent could potentially react to that action with every unit in their army (and then of course realising that you can potentially fake out your opponent by moving this unit, baiting out the big guns and dodging to make things slightly safer for your next action, but then your opponent probably also realises this so may not take the bait, but then they know that you know that they know this so they're also likely trying to bluff with their reaction ....)
@@markwatson8714 Definitely give you that there a lot more interaction! Some are.. intimidated?...by it. It might have a bit too much freedom to do things too. Maybe 40k was a bad comparison since I haven't played it scifi skirmish games. I think the mechanics is simple but interaction is not. Also, some troops have a lot of skills
I totally feel you bro. I guess I was living under the stone cuz I have discovered the game couple of weeks ago and I immediately fell in love with it! It is true that it's a bit intimidating but after the first game it feels better and better! P.S. Thanks for all your vids. These are vere helpful, especially at the beginning of the Infinity journey.
Ive really enjoyed this video and really happy to come across your channel. Ive just started in Infinity myself actually playing the game. I started with Operation Coldfront and have started beefing out both the factions based on great Infinity channels such as VaulSC and Infinity Gamer. I like 40K but my biggest issue is how much it changes and like what you very clearly showed one is forever chasing new books and rules and my experience unless you are totally invested in 40K collecting more than one army is suicidal on the wallet. Hell I hardly opened 8th edition and 8th edition codex before 9th edition dropped. My son likes the new Necrons and so I have gone nice and simple Necrons and Ultramarines and thats it. Now that being said I prefer Infinity in the tactical and strategy level, so much being free and that it stay stable and not changing its bloody version every five minutes. N3 was out for a long time. Im looking forward to catching up on your content and look forward to more on Infinity content.
Thank you so much! It's my honour to have you as a viewer. Infinity is absolutely a mainstay of my content now and I hope you'll enjoy the library of infinity related stuff I've already made. There's plenty more coming, too!
I certainly didn’t buy Kaldstrom, Crimson Stone bundle with beyond preorder, and the JSA army box to add to my Wildfire that I got last year wit the past few weeks. Nope. Didn’t do that at all.
I suspect Infinity would be much cheaper if you're coming in from 40K; assuming you already have scenery et al, you can just pick up a Jurisdictional Command box for whatever faction you're interested in (usually go for £40) and you've probably already got everything else you need to play (rules being free online; the selling point of the hardcopy is usually the lore book. Even the templates aren't that far from those used in 40K). Also it's not so much that they don't put crap in those box sets, the thing about Infinity is you don't really have crap to begin with; given most games you'll only have 8 - 12 models even your basic grunt usually brings something essential to the table. I have most of the Bakunin range at this point, yet pretty much every list I've ever made has always included at least one Moderator, the Bakunin equivalent of 'Imperial Guardsman', and not just to make up the points (in fact more often than not they're my lieutenant).
You forgot to mention that 40k tried to charge a lot of $ for each sheety rule they release that will get nerfed in a few month time, therefore ripping the cuatomers off, while infinity actually release all the data sheet and rules for free, so it's completely the customers to choice to buy the books, these two cannot be compared to
Well i played infinity from its 1st edition when the game first came out,well it hard to compare cost of the game when the models are mostly pewter instead of plastic,also in terms of buying adds,well they began with giving you the full rules for free on pdf's as also the army lists(stat lines for the models) before they started with the app. Also gameplay works alot in what i call 3d gaming and to sum it up,corvus belli make infinity a very good game and with the rules the game was at that point 20 years ahead in tabletop wargaming.
honestly I like 40k, and will prob play for a while, but GW just kills it for me with all these rules and supplements. A lot of the game also favours certain factions (Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle) and its turned me off with playing my factions. Im really interested in playing Infinity , and the fact that the games seem much shorter and more engaging. The miniatures look amazing too. Great vid man. I think I might buy some models. Good thing rules are free.
I just bought the PanOceania Collector’s Pack. I got the Pan-O paint set. I already have a bunch of things for AOS, and 40K but I’m wondering if I need some cutters for metal miniatures.
@@TesseractMinis ok, will regular model files work? Or do they have metal model files? Also, do you think I should go with a white primer or a grey primer?
Regular are fine - in fact recently I've taken to using foam sanding sticks, like Gunpla modellers use. They come in huge packs with a variety of grits and are super cheap.
Hey mate, Nick from LoL here. Thanks for the shout out! I do find it a little unsetting someone listens to my voice to fall asleep at night but what ever floats your boat 😉
Hah! For what it's worth mate, I have ADHD so I can't sleep in silence. You are, quite literally, better than nothing 😂
Podcast is a banger though! Long may it continue
Important note about the Infinity Army app: the rules and keywords for unit abilities are actually clickable and fully accessible through the app. It means you don’t even *need* to buy the full rule book (though it is nicer and slightly easier)
Well I did not know that! That's sick, thank you for pointing it out 👌
In theorey you dont need it. But in theory you never do, if your not the GM ;)
This a little under 600 Sites... truth be told: You want them! But of course... You want to do the characters in the app, no matter how many books you own XD. Great game!
It is amazing how much we feel we have to put up with when we buy in to GW games. Your Infinity videos are making me give some real thought to jumping ship.
Infinity was created following a creators playing a modified RPG.
They built the tabletop skirmish game from there and used their RPG as the base.
Years later, the officially created a RPG that has numerous books with a ton of lore within - that goes down to the minute details such as brands of clothing and weapons and the stylistic traits of this brands, etc.
The world of infinity is immense.
And then there’s the core books, manga, and the website too
STOP MAKING ME INTERESTED IN THINGS! I DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE INTERESTED IN THINGS! Great content as always, loving the breadth of your recent vids. x
For what it's worth mate, you can join us in checking it out on TTS for no cost and little time.
@@TesseractMinis I will almost certainly do that man, I'm just about to have a good window of hobby time coming up in the next couple of weeks, so I'll come be sociable. :)
Hey if you want, you can always come visit and play in person 😎
Thank you for the shout out good sir! - one of the hosts from Loss of Lieutenant
Great content! Absolutely deserves eyes on it. Thanks for watching :)
The full rules for both code one and N4 are free as pdf on the Corvus belli website so try before you buy.
You forgot to mention some benefits to Infinity. Army size. You only need a fraction of the models to have a full army. That means less painting, and you can actually afford to buy multiple armies. Also, the models are gorgeous!!! No more 40 identical Marines and $45 HQs.
Hell yeah. More Infinity players
Welcome to the fandom, I moved from warhammer to infinty last year, I did so for reasons like what you said, models costs but the most important is fun. I honestly find infinity much more fun to say, i don't lose my entire army to a beta strike horde of sanguinary guard or get shot off the table by imperial fist artillery. I can rock up to a game bring a fun list and still have a great time. That's something i lost with warhammer years ago.
Love the minis for this game. I have painted my share of them too. Granted I don’t paint them in usual clean style we always see I go for a gritty look.
I was wondering, should I go with a black and and white zenathol primer, or just a grey primer? Who makes good clippers for metal miniatures?
Another FREE thing is PDFs of tokens. I got a 1" hole punch to cut them out and then used 1" disks to put them on. Otherwise you can also buy tokens from 3rd party. Corvus Belli also has great relationships with 3rd party sellers. Warsenal, Micro Arts, and more.
I'm planning, when I find time, to design a full range of silhouette tokens and common tokens, which will be available as STL files and as physical prints from my store
you've been slowly grabbing my attention with this game.
"So what's stopping you?"
Metal models and a niche game within a niche hobby.
If you have a lot of experience with plastic models like from Warhammer or even just model kits in general, the pewter miniatures in Infinity are not that big of a step up (anecdotally speaking). But I will agree-- depending on where you live, it can be challenging to find other players, especially since Covid is still kind of a thing.
Ah, yes, the book bloat of 40k...or "why I stopped playing in 8e and started waiting for the Calvinball to stop".
[MALIFAUX FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY]
Seriously, at one point, to play my Tau, I needed:
- Main book
- Main Codex
- Mont'Ka/Kau'Yon (Equivalent to the Psychic Awakening books)
- Three Chapter Approved books
- The Farsight Enclaves Sub-Faction Book
- An FAQ for each of the above
Absolute bloody madness!
@@TesseractMinis Like I said..."Calvinball". The rules would change on a monthly basis, and it cost money to stay up to date. 9e was looking, comparatively, fairly stable...until I suddenly developed a massive stab wound in my back.
(The reason I keep making fun of Malifaux...the transition between first and third editions was so absurdly chaotic that rules were changing HOURLY, with FAQs for the FAQs, and errata for the errata. Pair this with the only other player being a bad-faith gamer who was sitting there hitting refresh on the FAQs every phase...)
Wyrd have settled down a lot since the rough launch for Malifaux M3, they're probably neck and neck with Infinity for tabletop ruleset around atm.
@@SlytherpuffHouse Right, I just didn't like the new direction for the sculpts quite as much, some of the ways the writing went, and...well, that other player I mentioned. He moved to California, and now nobody here plays Malifaux.
That guy cheated like crazy, cheesed the rules, and generally wasn't a good person to play with. BUT...I could stack a deck of cards just poorly enough to have enough bad draws that I could plausibly not be cheating.
Dude cheated three times a round, to the point that the store owner was calling him on it...but he'd have meltdowns when I'd occasionally have the cards I needed to not just die outright.
I'm deciding on whether to jump into 40K or something else you just sold me on Infinity. From time to time me and my kids buy blisters from random games when they're on sale at the local game store. Got some for 40K and infinity. I think we might start playing Infinity
Both are nice games with huge communities. Only difference is that one company uses predatory sales practices and fights a war against their own fanbase/ customers. While the other is in that regard pretty much the opposite. I think I do not need to clarify who is who^^
One thing I would say about Infinity, you do need a lot more scenery than you do in most GW games. That being said, I still think Infinity is better than GW equivolent!
I'd say if you're building 9th ed 40K tables as per the recommended tournament scenery, it's not a ton of difference tbh. When you consider the infinity tables are all smaller, the density is definitely much higher but the amount probably isn't, by much.
@@TesseractMinis Looking at the table from last night 8 major buildings - at least 6*4 inches the largest some 8 by 8
4 smaller building, 10 cars and some 20 other random LoS blockers
That on a 4' by 4' table
The cardstock terrain in the latest couple of starter kits is seriously sturdy stuff if you want to build a table for cheap, and there's a range of awesome MDF companies that produce dedicated Infinity Terrain if you want to go insane on it.
@@SlytherpuffHouse The third party stuff is indeed excellent. So excellent in fact I think I might have spent more on it that the models at this point. On the plus side, our table does look like something from a Masamune Shirow manga.
Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned.
Forget the promise of progress and understanding for in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.
There is no peace among the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting . . . gods?
I'd go more with "less complicated" instead of less complex, but that's just me being fussy about specifics. Complicated just means needlessly complex to the point of confusion whereas complexity in itself is still graspable while intricate.
I think that's quite accurate, Infinite is a more complex game than anything GW makes, but it's also a lot less complicated, because it doesn't have as much fiddly baggage and bullshit you need to track down how something works.
Yeah...I picked up some Infinity minis to use in my Shadowrun games and now I'm probably going to get the Crimson Stone boxed set at some point...
Gotta catch'em all
You can even get "werewolves" and in Beyond Crimson Stone is a "werebear"! Actually the children of people infected by an alien virus that changes their genetic code.
@@Space_Ranger In the "Beast Pack" rather that the Beyond Crimson Stone box which have 3 more minis for each side.
lol I find the rules of N4 are just as or less complex than 40k. People are just not used to another game. I've played board games that are more complex! You might want to get in touch with the guy that has the channel Infinity Gamer and do a video together talking about the game.
It depends. The basic rules for movement, shooting et al are no more complicated than they are in 40K, in fact most of the time it's just rolling the die (D20s in this case) and applying modifiers based on unit stats and things like cover, exactly as you would in 40K. Hacking can get a bit more convoluted (they have tried to simplify it in N4) but it's kind of like Warhammer Fantasy's magic system versus 40K's Psychic system (though like 40K, at least one faction has no hacking game for the most part, and for most factions how much or little you want to dip into it is entirely in the hands of the players). I think when people say it's more complex they're talking more about the decision space than the rules as such. If you're used to something more akin to 40K's traditional 'I go, you go' system with discreet phases for moving, shooting etc then ARO can be a bit of a shock. Not only are you dealing with much more flexibility in what actions you can take, but you also have the fact that your opponent could potentially react to that action with every unit in their army (and then of course realising that you can potentially fake out your opponent by moving this unit, baiting out the big guns and dodging to make things slightly safer for your next action, but then your opponent probably also realises this so may not take the bait, but then they know that you know that they know this so they're also likely trying to bluff with their reaction ....)
@@markwatson8714 Definitely give you that there a lot more interaction! Some are.. intimidated?...by it. It might have a bit too much freedom to do things too. Maybe 40k was a bad comparison since I haven't played it scifi skirmish games. I think the mechanics is simple but interaction is not. Also, some troops have a lot of skills
Best looking Minnie's of any game and honestly compared to games workshop pricings not bad at all
I totally feel you bro. I guess I was living under the stone cuz I have discovered the game couple of weeks ago and I immediately fell in love with it! It is true that it's a bit intimidating but after the first game it feels better and better! P.S. Thanks for all your vids. These are vere helpful, especially at the beginning of the Infinity journey.
Thank you very much for this video - it is really great for a beginner like me!!!
Ive really enjoyed this video and really happy to come across your channel. Ive just started in Infinity myself actually playing the game. I started with Operation Coldfront and have started beefing out both the factions based on great Infinity channels such as VaulSC and Infinity Gamer. I like 40K but my biggest issue is how much it changes and like what you very clearly showed one is forever chasing new books and rules and my experience unless you are totally invested in 40K collecting more than one army is suicidal on the wallet. Hell I hardly opened 8th edition and 8th edition codex before 9th edition dropped. My son likes the new Necrons and so I have gone nice and simple Necrons and Ultramarines and thats it. Now that being said I prefer Infinity in the tactical and strategy level, so much being free and that it stay stable and not changing its bloody version every five minutes. N3 was out for a long time. Im looking forward to catching up on your content and look forward to more on Infinity content.
Thank you so much! It's my honour to have you as a viewer. Infinity is absolutely a mainstay of my content now and I hope you'll enjoy the library of infinity related stuff I've already made. There's plenty more coming, too!
Brilliant!
How have I only just found infinity?!? It looks really good.. very tempted!
It's my favourite game! We play in my Discord server using TTS and a few of the folks in there play in person games too.
Highly highly recommended!
The models are so cool 😎
Great content! Thx!!!
I certainly didn’t buy Kaldstrom, Crimson Stone bundle with beyond preorder, and the JSA army box to add to my Wildfire that I got last year wit the past few weeks. Nope. Didn’t do that at all.
I suspect Infinity would be much cheaper if you're coming in from 40K; assuming you already have scenery et al, you can just pick up a Jurisdictional Command box for whatever faction you're interested in (usually go for £40) and you've probably already got everything else you need to play (rules being free online; the selling point of the hardcopy is usually the lore book. Even the templates aren't that far from those used in 40K). Also it's not so much that they don't put crap in those box sets, the thing about Infinity is you don't really have crap to begin with; given most games you'll only have 8 - 12 models even your basic grunt usually brings something essential to the table. I have most of the Bakunin range at this point, yet pretty much every list I've ever made has always included at least one Moderator, the Bakunin equivalent of 'Imperial Guardsman', and not just to make up the points (in fact more often than not they're my lieutenant).
I love haqqislam faction in INFINITY
You forgot to mention that 40k tried to charge a lot of $ for each sheety rule they release that will get nerfed in a few month time, therefore ripping the cuatomers off, while infinity actually release all the data sheet and rules for free, so it's completely the customers to choice to buy the books, these two cannot be compared to
Well i played infinity from its 1st edition when the game first came out,well it hard to compare cost of the game when the models are mostly pewter instead of plastic,also in terms of buying adds,well they began with giving you the full rules for free on pdf's as also the army lists(stat lines for the models) before they started with the app.
Also gameplay works alot in what i call 3d gaming and to sum it up,corvus belli make infinity a very good game and with the rules the game was at that point 20 years ahead in tabletop wargaming.
Rules are free too. I play both infinity and code one, and have never payed for a rule book.
honestly I like 40k, and will prob play for a while, but GW just kills it for me with all these rules and supplements. A lot of the game also favours certain factions (Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle) and its turned me off with playing my factions. Im really interested in playing Infinity , and the fact that the games seem much shorter and more engaging. The miniatures look amazing too.
Great vid man. I think I might buy some models. Good thing rules are free.
Hmmm... yes, i have buying all off them. You have many Miniatures and a lange City. :) And Code One.... then you go...
I just bought the PanOceania Collector’s Pack. I got the Pan-O paint set. I already have a bunch of things for AOS, and 40K but I’m wondering if I need some cutters for metal miniatures.
I think it's always smart to have a decent set of side cutters. I usually grab them from Amazon.
@@TesseractMinis ok, will regular model files work? Or do they have metal model files? Also, do you think I should go with a white primer or a grey primer?
Regular are fine - in fact recently I've taken to using foam sanding sticks, like Gunpla modellers use. They come in huge packs with a variety of grits and are super cheap.
@@TesseractMinis Is Rustoleum Primer fine? Or should I use Citadel, or Army Painter?
I only play Infinity now