Corvus Belli has been talking about a fantasy version for several years. You would learn a lot about their history and dreams for the company by watching their seminars they have every year at Gencon. Corvus Belli is probably the strongest it has ever been so your video tag is uneducated at best clickbaity at worst. Your dialog is very well and seems you did good research, CB is although much smaller than GW they have a healthier company direction and connection to their consumers.
Hi from Corvus Belli HQ!!!! If at any time you would like to know a little more about our history and the 52 workers behind Corvus Belli, please contact us We promise that we will be here and we will not disappear, after 20 years, I think we can feel safe for the moment! Well, rumor has it that something is going to happen in the Human Sphere next year, but, yes, I am confident that we can survive a little longer.
@@Ljosi Hi! The developer chief of Warcrow Adventures is a computer scientist with a strong mathematical background. The game has been worked on statistically. I encourage you to follow us on our social networks and website so you can try it out and judge for yourself.
@@Ljosi I think they are happy to have a well balanced game instead to push the newest release. Just selling miniatures is more the GW style. And of course that’s totally okay, but Corvus Belli likes to sell a cool game and cool miniatures.
So is it an unassailable powerhouse that can't possibly fail? Or is it a tiny independent whose future could be harmed by a TH-cam channel so small it costs me money to run? Pick a lane.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming This was a weirdly arrogant reply. I came to find out if CB was in some sort of turmoil, turns out it was just clickbait. You may have generated a few clicks, but I stopped watching after 1 minute and probably won't come back here, personally. Shorter videos with actual good content, rather than clickbait titles, is probably what you should strive for.
Agreed! It's also good for the hobby to have a game get a female "face", but that's incidental to her engaging style and obvious enthusiasm and passion for the game.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming She is not only a visible face, she is the developer of the game and the main responsible for the narrative of the dungeon crawler ;)
I personally cannot stand her but a female face is great: the hobby is for all sexes and especially CB always produced gender balanced fluff and minis (squads etc etc..). Just like Malifaux or Privateer Press in the US for example. Something GW, coming from far more conservative roots, struggled to do for a long time. Not that the comparison with GW makes sense of corse: not only CB and GW are not direct competitors but CB's fluff is progressive and far more adult and intellectually challenging than GW's... there is simply no comparison.
I don't play Corvus Belli games, but they have the best promotion for their products than many other miniature companies. Good TH-cam videos explaining the basic rules and the factions for the game.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming I never said I don't buy them, I don't play their rules. I use their minis in agnostic cyberpunk games. But if you compare CV marketing videos to other companies like Catalyst games, DP9, TTCombat or Privateer Press. CV has better video promotions.
save Corvus Belli from what? They are a healthy company unless u have access to financial data that we don't know about... Also War Crow (= Corvus Belli) aimed at being a successor to Confrontation not a competitor to GW (they started as a boutique brand like Anima). They never wanted to compete with GW, where did u get this idea from? Then I did not pledge, I don't care for tabletop/computer hybrid games but WC is a secondary project, CB's not giving up infinity. GW is one of the players in today's market, the world does not revolve around them anymore and 3dprinting will kill these companies' core business soon anyway unless they find new business models. Experimenting makes sense.
Great and informative video. The complexity of Infinity is precisely why I hadn't latched on to the game. I've heard Code One is a bit easier, and should probably look into it. Or perhaps I'll jump into Warcrow from the ground up.
Infinity really isn't as complicated as people make it seem. If other games are like the pokemon tcg, then infinity is like magic the gathering. (And I would say MTG is much harder to get into than Infinity haha)
Late to this particular party, but wanted to say I don’t think the title is click-bait in any way. The reality is that Infinity has had trouble expanding its reach, N1 hasn’t panned out, and their forays in board games have been poor, Defiance being just a complete failure (although not necessarily a financial one, because as you say they’re not a game company). Aristeia is the exception on this later point, but they pretty much stumbled into that one. None of this is a catastrophe, or even points at a failing company. But there is more and more competition, both within the miniature business and from external sources. Lack of growth is a potential issue, and I believe CB has understood this very well, hence their efforts to expand their player base. In that sense, I think Warcrow is pretty much the future of CB. Not in a “massive success on day 1 or go bust” way, but very much the decider of any serious longevity. And I do want to say that I find Warcrow underwhelming. I thought a bit about it, and my own read is that fantasy settings have been rehashed ad-nauseam. Mini-wise, there is an incredible selection, both from GW and independents, so it’s extremely difficult to wow the audiences. The increased size is a big plus for many painters, but also comes at the cost of not being compatible with any of those lines. It’s still early, the game is coming out in a couple of months, we’ll have to see. One thing I still need to do is to read the rules. CB is a company that simply does not know how to write rules, and that’s before any translation issues. Ultimately, if they want Warcrow to catch people beyond the current Infinity crowd, they will have to overperform when compared to their usual fare.
@@alfyb4512 Well, that's nice of you but it definitely was a *bit* click-baity. However, the key point is that any business whose existence relies upon sustaining sales within a single product is inherently vulnerable and diversification is essential to long-term survival (q.v. Steamforged Games). Just because CB is doing OK on N4 and Code One (which it seems to be) doesn't mean the company doesn't still need saving from an extremely precarious market position.
I was trying to check this game out at last year’s Gencon. The presenter was such a Simpson’s comic book guy with me that it just turned me off to the game. Too bad as it looked very cool.
Pretty cool video though I would argue that Infinity has lost most of it's anime aesthetic in its minis. Their minis have largely turned into "science fiction concept art." They're still beautifully sculpted but have lost a fair chunk of that charm.
I seriously lovel Corbus Belli and their games but the launch of N4 was such a missend oppotunity it killed the gam ehere. People wanted top PlayCode1 so badly and just couldn't get lists for their armies and the main game ist just waytoo much effort. I realy wish they#d find away to go with ten order lists in general, none of that two combat groups stuff and maybe even slightly smaller boards (with reduced ranges) just so you don't have to buld half a city each time.
A big mistake they made in N3 and N4 was segmenting the infinity books, and keeping them segmented in N4. With the excuse that they're free. The problem arose that the Human Sphere rules covering a lot of the sectorials and fireteams still wasn't more well integrated into the core game. Now, they've changed fire/link teams greatly and even added some into basic non-sectorial lists. Fireteams started as a weird thing that sectorials only got, when it was obvious it should be something more core to the game itself, and presented as such to players. They also need to get away from the whole combat teams split as that's a very arbitrary split they made to avoid 20 orders being dumped into 1 ridiculous model.
Honestly, N4 miniatures have been pretty lackluster imo. I may also be a bit tismy with this, but I see that they shifted away from the anime aesthetic that I loved from N2 and most of N3 which is why I stopped playing at N4. The technical quality of the miniatures from what I've seen is still astounding, but design and art direction have been a bit...bland? Or maybe I'm being harsh and it's because I'm comparing them to the extremely high standards they set for themselves. But I agree that Warcrow looks pretty boring. With their announcement of a fantasy game, I was sincerely hoping for something in the likes of anima tactics or even jrpgs like fire emblem or even something as escentric as final fantasy.
I wouldn't describe their designs as bland. But now they're established in the market, it's a lot harder to elicit the "wow" factor when we know what to expect. That said, CB are now locked into the inevitable cycle of having to produce new stuff to keep driving sales, which is certainly leading to a degree of rules bloat which Code One only goes some way to addressing. I need to revisit this story, because it certainly doesn't lookb like WarCrow is having anything like the impact that Infinity did.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming That could be it. I just see far less creative works from them like a lot of heavily marvel/blizzard-inspired miniatures or just straight up bizarre resculpts like the new MAF. And I'm with your opinion on the Warcrow miniatures, just...meh. Maybe they should have just gone the anime route like they first did with Infinity. But not to be a downer, I do think nearly all the Endsong stuff I've seen look superb. With their struggles with SKUs, I just don't get how Wacrow is going to fit in their production schedule if it becomes another full ranged skirmish game. It IS brilliant they're pretty open with licensing or just allowing studios to produce third party tools like tokens, and there are other licensed studios working stuff like Rem Racers and a fleet combat game. They're still very good at getting their name out there. Lastly, last time I played it felt like there was less of a rules bloat and more of a profile bloat. There's many overlapping profiles in some factions with minor differences, lots of weird crossovers with contrived writing to explain why (like the Tikbalang in MO), and tons of new characters in every sectorial some pretty useless some absurdly strong. I think they could learn a thing or two from Malifaux's alternative proxy models system. CB could still make new miniatures without having to add new profiles. Those miniatures could be seasonal or limited releases so they don't always have to be in production. But I think CB ought to do a complete profile reset for the next edition: rebalancing profiles and reorganizing army lists. Also your videos are very analytical and informative, and I've enjoyed the few that I've watched so far! What made you want to title the video "Can Warcrow saved CB?" Because unless I misinterpreted the tone, you had a very positive outlook on their future.
@@robotjones6434 I'm still experimenting with what works and what doesn't and I thought I'd see what difference a more click-baity title would make to views. I'm sorry to report that it worked very well (only my PP video got more views, quicker). But I don't think I'll do it again. My soul can only take so much tarnish.
Corvus Belli has been talking about a fantasy version for several years. You would learn a lot about their history and dreams for the company by watching their seminars they have every year at Gencon. Corvus Belli is probably the strongest it has ever been so your video tag is uneducated at best clickbaity at worst. Your dialog is very well and seems you did good research, CB is although much smaller than GW they have a healthier company direction and connection to their consumers.
Hi from Corvus Belli HQ!!!! If at any time you would like to know a little more about our history and the 52 workers behind Corvus Belli, please contact us We promise that we will be here and we will not disappear, after 20 years, I think we can feel safe for the moment! Well, rumor has it that something is going to happen in the Human Sphere next year, but, yes, I am confident that we can survive a little longer.
Nice to hear from you. I will definitely reach out.
How do you guys make rules and balance the game, do you have a couple of mathematicians who do statistical analysis or?
@@Ljosi Hi! The developer chief of Warcrow Adventures is a computer scientist with a strong mathematical background. The game has been worked on statistically. I encourage you to follow us on our social networks and website so you can try it out and judge for yourself.
@@Ljosi I think they are happy to have a well balanced game instead to push the newest release. Just selling miniatures is more the GW style. And of course that’s totally okay, but Corvus Belli likes to sell a cool game and cool miniatures.
Informative video! Atrocious title though. Way worse than the average clickbait.
Corvus Belli doesn't need saving, its going stronger than it ever has. Please stop with the clickbate, it just hurts a small company.
So is it an unassailable powerhouse that can't possibly fail? Or is it a tiny independent whose future could be harmed by a TH-cam channel so small it costs me money to run? Pick a lane.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming This was a weirdly arrogant reply. I came to find out if CB was in some sort of turmoil, turns out it was just clickbait. You may have generated a few clicks, but I stopped watching after 1 minute and probably won't come back here, personally. Shorter videos with actual good content, rather than clickbait titles, is probably what you should strive for.
I will say as a positive, I think making Hoopoe the presenter for Warcrow was a good move. She's a charming, funny woman.
Agreed! It's also good for the hobby to have a game get a female "face", but that's incidental to her engaging style and obvious enthusiasm and passion for the game.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming She is not only a visible face, she is the developer of the game and the main responsible for the narrative of the dungeon crawler ;)
I personally cannot stand her but a female face is great: the hobby is for all sexes and especially CB always produced gender balanced fluff and minis (squads etc etc..). Just like Malifaux or Privateer Press in the US for example. Something GW, coming from far more conservative roots, struggled to do for a long time. Not that the comparison with GW makes sense of corse: not only CB and GW are not direct competitors but CB's fluff is progressive and far more adult and intellectually challenging than GW's... there is simply no comparison.
Corvus Belli doesn't need saving. Misleading and unhelpful title
Also took forever to get to the point. Downvoted
I’m only here for this comment. I won’t dignify this video with a watch.
What’s to save?
Save? Do they need saving?
No. Not at all. This was a silly clickbait title
Pretty sure they don't need saving.
I don't play Corvus Belli games, but they have the best promotion for their products than many other miniature companies. Good TH-cam videos explaining the basic rules and the factions for the game.
Although, if you're not buying their products, it could be argued that their promotion isn't good enough... Thanks for the watch and comment!
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming I never said I don't buy them, I don't play their rules. I use their minis in agnostic cyberpunk games. But if you compare CV marketing videos to other companies like Catalyst games, DP9, TTCombat or Privateer Press. CV has better video promotions.
Anima was complex because it was attached to a roleplaying game.
Hey mate great video, didn’t know you had a channel. Subbed!
Thanks! Love your work.
save Corvus Belli from what? They are a healthy company unless u have access to financial data that we don't know about... Also War Crow (= Corvus Belli) aimed at being a successor to Confrontation not a competitor to GW (they started as a boutique brand like Anima). They never wanted to compete with GW, where did u get this idea from? Then I did not pledge, I don't care for tabletop/computer hybrid games but WC is a secondary project, CB's not giving up infinity. GW is one of the players in today's market, the world does not revolve around them anymore and 3dprinting will kill these companies' core business soon anyway unless they find new business models. Experimenting makes sense.
Great and informative video.
The complexity of Infinity is precisely why I hadn't latched on to the game. I've heard Code One is a bit easier, and should probably look into it. Or perhaps I'll jump into Warcrow from the ground up.
Infinity really isn't as complicated as people make it seem. If other games are like the pokemon tcg, then infinity is like magic the gathering. (And I would say MTG is much harder to get into than Infinity haha)
@@vicioushellsing it’s not that it’s complicated, it’s that the number of rules are insane. Also, I hate the ARO system.
@@kaibe5241 ARO is best, that’s for me the reason to begin with infinity.
Late to this particular party, but wanted to say I don’t think the title is click-bait in any way. The reality is that Infinity has had trouble expanding its reach, N1 hasn’t panned out, and their forays in board games have been poor, Defiance being just a complete failure (although not necessarily a financial one, because as you say they’re not a game company). Aristeia is the exception on this later point, but they pretty much stumbled into that one.
None of this is a catastrophe, or even points at a failing company. But there is more and more competition, both within the miniature business and from external sources. Lack of growth is a potential issue, and I believe CB has understood this very well, hence their efforts to expand their player base. In that sense, I think Warcrow is pretty much the future of CB. Not in a “massive success on day 1 or go bust” way, but very much the decider of any serious longevity.
And I do want to say that I find Warcrow underwhelming. I thought a bit about it, and my own read is that fantasy settings have been rehashed ad-nauseam. Mini-wise, there is an incredible selection, both from GW and independents, so it’s extremely difficult to wow the audiences. The increased size is a big plus for many painters, but also comes at the cost of not being compatible with any of those lines. It’s still early, the game is coming out in a couple of months, we’ll have to see.
One thing I still need to do is to read the rules. CB is a company that simply does not know how to write rules, and that’s before any translation issues. Ultimately, if they want Warcrow to catch people beyond the current Infinity crowd, they will have to overperform when compared to their usual fare.
@@alfyb4512 Well, that's nice of you but it definitely was a *bit* click-baity. However, the key point is that any business whose existence relies upon sustaining sales within a single product is inherently vulnerable and diversification is essential to long-term survival (q.v. Steamforged Games). Just because CB is doing OK on N4 and Code One (which it seems to be) doesn't mean the company doesn't still need saving from an extremely precarious market position.
Oh nice, d8s! I never roll those as often as I could in the games I play.
I guess they're... OK. When they have numbers on them.
Come to think of it, didn't MERCs use d8s with symbols?
@@axanax2534 You got me thinking, so I went and looked. MERCS used conventional d10s.
I also took a look, and I see that they're the damage dice from MERCS Recon, listed in the game components.
this is fantastic. Many thanks.
One year on..... the caskuda has returned.... in plastic. 😊
I was trying to check this game out at last year’s Gencon. The presenter was such a Simpson’s comic book guy with me that it just turned me off to the game. Too bad as it looked very cool.
Pretty cool video though I would argue that Infinity has lost most of it's anime aesthetic in its minis. Their minis have largely turned into "science fiction concept art." They're still beautifully sculpted but have lost a fair chunk of that charm.
That reason is why I'm now getting into infinity. The anime aesthetic was an artstyle that I wasn't a fan of. But now I'm buying my first morats
Click bait, Jesus Christ, Corvus Belli are one of the most stable gaming companies out there
I seriously lovel Corbus Belli and their games but the launch of N4 was such a missend oppotunity it killed the gam ehere. People wanted top PlayCode1 so badly and just couldn't get lists for their armies and the main game ist just waytoo much effort. I realy wish they#d find away to go with ten order lists in general, none of that two combat groups stuff and maybe even slightly smaller boards (with reduced ranges) just so you don't have to buld half a city each time.
A big mistake they made in N3 and N4 was segmenting the infinity books, and keeping them segmented in N4. With the excuse that they're free. The problem arose that the Human Sphere rules covering a lot of the sectorials and fireteams still wasn't more well integrated into the core game.
Now, they've changed fire/link teams greatly and even added some into basic non-sectorial lists. Fireteams started as a weird thing that sectorials only got, when it was obvious it should be something more core to the game itself, and presented as such to players.
They also need to get away from the whole combat teams split as that's a very arbitrary split they made to avoid 20 orders being dumped into 1 ridiculous model.
I think fireteams were always a rather clumsy compromise in an otherwise elegant rules system.
Still cant even buy warcrow. Saw it at salute last weekend and looking for it to have a poke i just keep finding a big middle finger.
They. Don’t. Need. Saving.
Hee, hee, hee... He said 'Grok'. 😁
Robert Heinlein has a lot to answer for, but I'll happily take "grok".
Lol I haaaaate that word
This YT channel will need saving first with clickbait titles like that.
Downvoted.
Honestly, N4 miniatures have been pretty lackluster imo. I may also be a bit tismy with this, but I see that they shifted away from the anime aesthetic that I loved from N2 and most of N3 which is why I stopped playing at N4. The technical quality of the miniatures from what I've seen is still astounding, but design and art direction have been a bit...bland? Or maybe I'm being harsh and it's because I'm comparing them to the extremely high standards they set for themselves.
But I agree that Warcrow looks pretty boring. With their announcement of a fantasy game, I was sincerely hoping for something in the likes of anima tactics or even jrpgs like fire emblem or even something as escentric as final fantasy.
I wouldn't describe their designs as bland. But now they're established in the market, it's a lot harder to elicit the "wow" factor when we know what to expect. That said, CB are now locked into the inevitable cycle of having to produce new stuff to keep driving sales, which is certainly leading to a degree of rules bloat which Code One only goes some way to addressing. I need to revisit this story, because it certainly doesn't lookb like WarCrow is having anything like the impact that Infinity did.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming That could be it. I just see far less creative works from them like a lot of heavily marvel/blizzard-inspired miniatures or just straight up bizarre resculpts like the new MAF. And I'm with your opinion on the Warcrow miniatures, just...meh. Maybe they should have just gone the anime route like they first did with Infinity. But not to be a downer, I do think nearly all the Endsong stuff I've seen look superb.
With their struggles with SKUs, I just don't get how Wacrow is going to fit in their production schedule if it becomes another full ranged skirmish game. It IS brilliant they're pretty open with licensing or just allowing studios to produce third party tools like tokens, and there are other licensed studios working stuff like Rem Racers and a fleet combat game. They're still very good at getting their name out there.
Lastly, last time I played it felt like there was less of a rules bloat and more of a profile bloat. There's many overlapping profiles in some factions with minor differences, lots of weird crossovers with contrived writing to explain why (like the Tikbalang in MO), and tons of new characters in every sectorial some pretty useless some absurdly strong. I think they could learn a thing or two from Malifaux's alternative proxy models system. CB could still make new miniatures without having to add new profiles. Those miniatures could be seasonal or limited releases so they don't always have to be in production. But I think CB ought to do a complete profile reset for the next edition: rebalancing profiles and reorganizing army lists.
Also your videos are very analytical and informative, and I've enjoyed the few that I've watched so far! What made you want to title the video "Can Warcrow saved CB?" Because unless I misinterpreted the tone, you had a very positive outlook on their future.
@@robotjones6434 I'm still experimenting with what works and what doesn't and I thought I'd see what difference a more click-baity title would make to views. I'm sorry to report that it worked very well (only my PP video got more views, quicker). But I don't think I'll do it again. My soul can only take so much tarnish.
@@PrecinctOmegaWargaming Oh, I'm not criticizing you for that. I just thought I may have missed something. No worries!
Misleading and stupid video about nothing.🤦♂ CB is awesome studio and have high quality worldwide popular games.