Since I started watching your channel, I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed the knowledge that you provided me with, as far as actual sneaker composition and what TRUE comfortability in a sneaker is supposed to feel like. Thank you very much, and I'll be looking forward to your next video. 🙏🙏🙏
He doesn't stand \walk as much as most of us at work. I vote that you test\cut up hoka, Saucony, nb, north face etc running shoes that millions of us need for work shifts! Just a thought. I know you've done some. And millions would trust your opinion vs sneaker heads. 🤷🤷🤷😵💫
I'm a 5'8 220lb Stocky Built Muscular Guard. These have been amazing for me. I'm a blow by you explosive player and up in your space defensive player and lateral quickness I get with these is something else along with the rebound the cushion gives that I can plant and drive to stay with another guard. I'm happy.
@Tyler Kittle man I've been rockin zion 2 but these I feel would be exactly what I'm lookin for . Need more bounce and cushion I'm 6ft 6 195 play small forward and am older but still got some hops lol
Just purchased these for my son. He was wearing the Kyrie infinity and has been a kyrie wearer for about 5 years, but wanted to go in a different direction. These wow 10s blew him away. After his first practice all he could talk about was the grip and how comfortable he felt on the court. First Tourney is tomorrow and he is psyched to wear them. It is a gamble ordering from aftermarket sites like KicksCrew (got a killer price in his size) and I never would have taken the jump without your review. Much appreciated. Peace.
I love that you are exploring more of the less mainstream brands of footwear. Li Ning, Anta, 361 all have really interesting shoes that are releasing all the time. I hope you keep exploring more of those :) Love the content!
Nice drone shots, looking forward to more of that! Also great to finally hear someone talking objectively about the interactions between foot shape and shoe design.
Just tried these WOW 10 low out for the first time, best shoe i've worn in a long time even with 0 break in. I went TTS to Nike size and they fit perfectly. These shoes are amazing so far... Nike is missing out on pebax tech in their bball shoes.
just bought it today, gonna use it to play volleyball on wood and plastic courts. Imma use it then comeback here for updates!!! Ok, so after 2 weeks of waiting and crying, checking my front door and window everyday, I finally got the shoes. Yes, the shoes is just as good as the price. I told my friend this: The shoes feel like a hugging sock with cushion, Im definitely wide footed but i went true to size and it fits GREAT, no pain. The forefoot of the shoes is wide, so when i pinch my big toe down and just try to roll my ankle outward, the shoes WONT LET ME. Its so freaking light, lighter than zoom freak 3 and KD 14 for sure. It also looks so good and aesthetic in person, I LOVE THE SHOES. I havent even played in it yet, i went to the gym with it and i feel like i can use the shoes for anything, even running a mile. In conclusion, its like zoom freak 3 and kd 14 had a baby. Good cushion plus the hugging and performance from the zoom freak. I think this shoes is great for anyone who goes hard at volleyball or basketball, like what Zac said in the vid, it gives you the confidence you need ❤❤❤❤
hi doctor you have a really nice job on giving us some idea on how to choose a right shoe on our foot to make it comfortable. i love your content keep it up! ✌️
Wore these shoes for a session, on a turn around jumper I landed directly on the defenders foot. Rolled my ankle but I got up right away without any pain in my ankle.. I’m sure it was the shoes that saved me
Nearing 2025 still the best basketball shoe I’ve ever used (imo it’s slightly better than the wow 11) I have never slipped out no matter how hard I decelerate. Compared to barefoot I went from 38in running max vert a a 40in max vert, so it added a whole 2in. I’m decently large (6’4” 215lbs) and these have outlasted all my Nike basketball shoes by a significant amount to the point it really does make the price worth it. HIGHLY recommend unless you have *REALLY* wide feet
Such excellent reviews as always! Keep up the great work! I would only add that the foam is a mix of TPU & TPA and as you mentioned called Peba or Pebax. However, it's awesome to see you reviewing some of the other top brands on the market like Li-ning, so thanks for that and looking forward to your future reviews!
Nice reverse layup! Are these good shoes for shooters? More stable in the forefoot like Kawhi 2 and Luka 1 or are they more squishy/less stable in the forefoot like KD & Kyrie lines?
The best Wades by far! I'm surprised how good it is for being so light and thin. Definitely one of the best cushioned shoes with great grip! The shoe is so look bouncy tho that it may bother some people. I couldn't find anything negative to say about it.
Food Doctor Zack. This video was a big help understanding the WOW 10 better and I bought by Outside Hitter daughter a pair and as a sophomore bench varsity player have been the best shoe she has had yet. We want to get another high ankle pair, but they seem hard to find without a collectors premium. If you could recommend a similar premium shoe I would appreciate it! Thanks
Hey Zach, I love the videos but in this particular video you never mentioned what size of shoe you went with. I like to gauge your decision for size between shoe to shoe to help me choose a size. And yes I’ve seen your foot sizing guide, it was a gem.
I want to say, after one year wearing, it could be the best basketball shoes i have ever met. At beginning, it is actually not comfortable. because the space is so compact, and it makes my feet feel so umcomforable. but after one month, the space is not compact anymore. And shoe is dope. very comfortable. The other performance is good as usual, as beginning.
I like most of your videos, really cool reviews. I like how you tackle the tech on the shoes, i hope that i will see you review the zoom rise 2 and zoom bb nxt soon. Love it.
Hi Dr! I wish you'd do cut ups \tests of running shoes used as shift work shoes.(Hoka nb Saucony Decker's x lab etc) (Do you have any idea how many people are looking for this? Daily?). Thank you for all your work.
Hey Doctor, good video, is this pair of shoes a good option for those who are looking for a good ankle protection? If they are not, which ones do you recommend?
Hey Doc! Big fan! Just wondering what your top 5 shoes would be for ballers who's are coming off a jones fracture and still feel some stiffness intheir 5th metatarsal. Appreciate you doc!
Does wearing otc insoles counteract the stability of the carbon fiber shank? Is there a such thing as too much stability? Wondering if I could and should use my move insoles on these. Thanks doc.
Hey doc. Hope you are doing good. Can you please do reviews on the wow 808 2 and the wow 808 2 ultra? The ultra version has a drop in midsole that's full length boom too :)
My son is an eleven yr kid tennis player- Laing 20/25 hours a week. He has severe disease , narrow and flat feet. We wear custom orthotics . Which tennis wouid be best as he has heel pain and Achilles’ tendonitis. Help! Thanks
Zach How light are these shoes because I am comparing them to the air Jordan Seprate tech, and those are super light, so compared to them how light are they? And the separate Tech has a zoom thing in the toe and a drop, is this similar to the WoW 10?
Love this review, I am definitely interested in these shoes. I am more of a cut and finish at the rim or kickout kind of player. My issue is always wearing blisters on the balls of my feet. My KD's did a pretty good job helping prevent this but I've played in them so much they feel like walking bear footed with them on. My wife got me some Lebron witness's bc they were on sale and they're ok, but I can't play too long in them without having issues on the bottom of my feet. I wear nike elites when I play. Anyone have any suggestions to help?
I had a lot of issues myself on the balls of my feet with blisters. Getting some thicker socks more basketball related or as a last resort doubling up on socks was a massive help. But your feet slowly get used to it over time solidifying!
My son has two pairs of these and they are both falling apart after 15-20 wears. The traction has rubber that has falling off, the top mesh randomly tore on one pair and the toe drag area came apart from the shoe. The insert fell apart too. The fabric peeled off the padding after two wears. My son is 15 and weights 130 pounds. That said, he loves the traction and the bounce he gets from them.
Heard nothing but great reviews from every source I can find on these, so I copped 2 pairs but I’m getting chronic heel pain after wearing them every time. Anyone else experiencing this??
Hey man amazing video as usual. I have a question. What should I do to prevent shin splints? I have insoles and do specific stretches but none of it works. It’s mainly a football thing with cleats, but even when I run or play basketball they just appear.
Best vedio again zach i want ur advice I have a problem in choosing a shoe, can you give me some advice? Well, my feet are wide in the middle of my feet about 12 cm wide, but the width at the toe box is only 11 cm. My feet are 24.5 cm long. Can you recommend some basketball shoes for me? I have a real problem.
Thanks a lot for all the reviews. All if them helped me narrow down my choices to kd15 and pg6. Im a small forward so i need a shoe to Drive in the Paint a lot, get rebounds etc.. but i Also need an agile shoe, so what do you think is better?
They sound like a good shoe. I definitely want to cop but I don't understand why wow shoes are so expensive. I'm considering it but don't play as much as I use to
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Since I started watching your channel, I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed the knowledge that you provided me with, as far as actual sneaker composition and what TRUE comfortability in a sneaker is supposed to feel like. Thank you very much, and I'll be looking forward to your next video. 🙏🙏🙏
can you do review the Lebron 13 Ambassador empire jade? thanks
The Kyrie 4's 🔥
He doesn't stand \walk as much as most of us at work. I vote that you test\cut up hoka, Saucony, nb, north face etc running shoes that millions of us need for work shifts! Just a thought. I know you've done some. And millions would trust your opinion vs sneaker heads. 🤷🤷🤷😵💫
Masterpiece reviews. You're educating brands.
I'm a 5'8 220lb Stocky Built Muscular Guard. These have been amazing for me. I'm a blow by you explosive player and up in your space defensive player and lateral quickness I get with these is something else along with the rebound the cushion gives that I can plant and drive to stay with another guard. I'm happy.
How they holding up for ya??
@@wadec6799 Zero issues
@Tyler Kittle man I've been rockin zion 2 but these I feel would be exactly what I'm lookin for . Need more bounce and cushion I'm 6ft 6 195 play small forward and am older but still got some hops lol
How's the sizing for you? Did the materials stretch much?
@@kittleeagle how long did the grip last you?
Just purchased these for my son. He was wearing the Kyrie infinity and has been a kyrie wearer for about 5 years, but wanted to go in a different direction. These wow 10s blew him away. After his first practice all he could talk about was the grip and how comfortable he felt on the court. First Tourney is tomorrow and he is psyched to wear them. It is a gamble ordering from aftermarket sites like KicksCrew (got a killer price in his size) and I never would have taken the jump without your review. Much appreciated. Peace.
Hope he has some good games in them!
Good direction. You did a great choice.
So..kickscrew is trust worthy ??
@@tukaikaumaitotoya5555 They were for me. Ordered from them twice.
@@tukaikaumaitotoya5555 they are but the shipping and customs fees are bad
The only "problem" with the Way of Wade 10 is the price. It's almost double of what a lot of people are willing to drop on a pair of basketball shoes.
That and the durability. I’d drop 200 on a shoe if it was gonna last me a year or so. These will be done after 2 months with that outsole.
Don't worry. The leak of design board from LiNing shows it will has a low version, of course the price will more reasonable.
better than nike 200 dollars shoe
100%
@@yigoat8338 difference is those shoes people we’re for fashion so they’re gonna last way longer by nature
I love that you are exploring more of the less mainstream brands of footwear. Li Ning, Anta, 361 all have really interesting shoes that are releasing all the time. I hope you keep exploring more of those :) Love the content!
Its Li Ning
@@abhirupkarak5228 it’s “it’s”
Since trying LiNing and Anta, I would never go back to wearing Nike/Adidas. They have to step up.
Nice drone shots, looking forward to more of that! Also great to finally hear someone talking objectively about the interactions between foot shape and shoe design.
The drone has become my new best friend
Amen! I wish he'd cut up \test some common running shoes we use for shifts and workouts all in one shoe.
This guy is the best shoe performance TH-camr! Bravo!
Thanks!
Just tried these WOW 10 low out for the first time, best shoe i've worn in a long time even with 0 break in. I went TTS to Nike size and they fit perfectly. These shoes are amazing so far... Nike is missing out on pebax tech in their bball shoes.
Out of all the performance reviewers including night wing, sole brothers etc, I trust/get the most info from your content 💯✊
But bro how did you not elaborate on the cushioning?
Nah
@@D3L3T3 who’s more informative?
just bought it today, gonna use it to play volleyball on wood and plastic courts. Imma use it then comeback here for updates!!!
Ok, so after 2 weeks of waiting and crying, checking my front door and window everyday, I finally got the shoes. Yes, the shoes is just as good as the price. I told my friend this: The shoes feel like a hugging sock with cushion, Im definitely wide footed but i went true to size and it fits GREAT, no pain. The forefoot of the shoes is wide, so when i pinch my big toe down and just try to roll my ankle outward, the shoes WONT LET ME. Its so freaking light, lighter than zoom freak 3 and KD 14 for sure. It also looks so good and aesthetic in person, I LOVE THE SHOES. I havent even played in it yet, i went to the gym with it and i feel like i can use the shoes for anything, even running a mile. In conclusion, its like zoom freak 3 and kd 14 had a baby. Good cushion plus the hugging and performance from the zoom freak. I think this shoes is great for anyone who goes hard at volleyball or basketball, like what Zac said in the vid, it gives you the confidence you need ❤❤❤❤
is it lighter and bouncier than Jordan 36 and Tatum 1?
Did you follow the size chart on the site?
@@kalmkorn 100%
@@svivas9189 went true to size, but i poked a hole on the shoes to make my feet feel better
hi doctor you have a really nice job on giving us some idea on how to choose a right shoe on our foot to make it comfortable. i love your content keep it up! ✌️
Wore these shoes for a session, on a turn around jumper I landed directly on the defenders foot. Rolled my ankle but I got up right away without any pain in my ankle.. I’m sure it was the shoes that saved me
Nearing 2025 still the best basketball shoe I’ve ever used (imo it’s slightly better than the wow 11) I have never slipped out no matter how hard I decelerate. Compared to barefoot I went from 38in running max vert a a 40in max vert, so it added a whole 2in. I’m decently large (6’4” 215lbs) and these have outlasted all my Nike basketball shoes by a significant amount to the point it really does make the price worth it. HIGHLY recommend unless you have *REALLY* wide feet
Li-Ning tends to apply pebax base foam in their more premium shoes. I bet it is not a TPU foam.🤔
u are right
Such excellent reviews as always! Keep up the great work! I would only add that the foam is a mix of TPU & TPA and as you mentioned called Peba or Pebax. However, it's awesome to see you reviewing some of the other top brands on the market like Li-ning, so thanks for that and looking forward to your future reviews!
I always forget to add the blend when taking about pebax that’s a good point
@@FootDoctorZach No prob at all, we're all human! Keep up the great work 👊
Hello Zach, could you include the retail price of shoes you review ? That helps a lot of us with buying decisions.
Great review as always doc.
How long would u say does the drumroll sandpaper test translate to in wear and tear?
Glad I found your page! Love this style of review! I am looking for a quality pair of shoes. These WoW 10s might just be it.
Nice reverse layup! Are these good shoes for shooters? More stable in the forefoot like Kawhi 2 and Luka 1 or are they more squishy/less stable in the forefoot like KD & Kyrie lines?
This shoe is expensive! But it looks like such a beast, I would buy it but it seems hard to get Way of Wades in Canada.
Did you get them shipped to Canada?
The best Wades by far! I'm surprised how good it is for being so light and thin. Definitely one of the best cushioned shoes with great grip! The shoe is so look bouncy tho that it may bother some people. I couldn't find anything negative to say about it.
"Mid-thirtees wannabes", Zach, bro, I feel for you :D
Love the evolving designs and function of them Wade line. Painful seeing them gutted.
I’m from Cleveland, live in Hawaii now but use to go to Cedar point every Wednesday when I was a teen
hey doc, can you make a video about fake basketball shoes. so people will be aware what are the cons of using those.
nice video as always, thanks doc.
Food Doctor Zack. This video was a big help understanding the WOW 10 better and I bought by Outside Hitter daughter a pair and as a sophomore bench varsity player have been the best shoe she has had yet. We want to get another high ankle pair, but they seem hard to find without a collectors premium. If you could recommend a similar premium shoe I would appreciate it! Thanks
Hey Zach, I love the videos but in this particular video you never mentioned what size of shoe you went with. I like to gauge your decision for size between shoe to shoe to help me choose a size. And yes I’ve seen your foot sizing guide, it was a gem.
I want to say, after one year wearing, it could be the best basketball shoes i have ever met. At beginning, it is actually not comfortable. because the space is so compact, and it makes my feet feel so umcomforable. but after one month, the space is not compact anymore. And shoe is dope. very comfortable. The other performance is good as usual, as beginning.
Nice review doc!!! much appreciated 🫡🫡🫡
I was surprised that you didn't have a Link for those interested in Purchasing such products, Way of Wade 10.
Which shoe is better way of wade 10 or lebrons 19?
I like most of your videos, really cool reviews. I like how you tackle the tech on the shoes, i hope that i will see you review the zoom rise 2 and zoom bb nxt soon. Love it.
👍👍
Carbon fiber plate is a little bit shorter in the middle of the shoe, you can see it on translucent sole colorways
Hey Zach, I would really appreciate if you make a video on the most durable tennis shoes.
Sending you sneakers now that’s a level up 🤜🏼
Certainly a welcome change
@@FootDoctorZach have you done the Nike gt cut ?
Hi Doc, they already released the low version of this. Maybe you can release a review for it also of what may changed in those shoes. Thanks
Doc, have you tried using the new bounce (ball drop) test on the wow 10s? How do they fare against the 11s?
These or the fission 8 for Pickleball? I’ve tried 5 pairs of tennis shoes and they all destroy my feet!
Babe wake up Zach just posted
Hahah ⏰
can u do a review on the Curry 4 Flotro? the shoe that Steph used in the finals this year
CHey Zach. Love your content. Can you try something like APL Concept X or Superfuture?
1st. 🔥🔥🔥 Gonna cop those shoes.. thanks doc.
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Hi Dr! I wish you'd do cut ups \tests of running shoes used as shift work shoes.(Hoka nb Saucony Decker's x lab etc) (Do you have any idea how many people are looking for this? Daily?). Thank you for all your work.
Dear Foot Doc,would you rank overall the way of wade 10 over the way of wade 9? Thank you for your good reviews i am a big fan of your content
I like them more but that’s just me
it looks like a performance beast but too bad it's so expensive!
It’s a pricey one for sure
Hey Doctor, good video, is this pair of shoes a good option for those who are looking for a good ankle protection? If they are not, which ones do you recommend?
Hey Doc! Big fan! Just wondering what your top 5 shoes would be for ballers who's are coming off a jones fracture and still feel some stiffness intheir 5th metatarsal. Appreciate you doc!
Everyone says the shoe is not recommended for outdoor asphalt, but can it stand up to a sports court? or only indoors? who has experience?
Love the wide forefoot!
Cannot wait for the review of all new Li-Ning Wow 11 💪🏿🧠💯
I always watch you videos for reference Doc!!! Thanks.. just one question. Which do you like better playing on… curry 10s or WOW10?
Watch my top 5
What shoe would you recommend for volleyball more specific jumping and grip but I’m more for jumping as long as the grip is ok that would be fine
Love this review. How does the impact protection aspect of the cushion compare to shoes like kd14/15, lebron 19 low or gtjump?
I have kd 15s and wow 10 lows. Kd15 is a better shoe in every way except for traction which is phenomenal in wow 10s.
@@OnceABustAlwaysABust KD15 is not better than WOW 10
Does wearing otc insoles counteract the stability of the carbon fiber shank? Is there a such thing as too much stability? Wondering if I could and should use my move insoles on these. Thanks doc.
Depends on the reason you’re wearing them
Compare the shoe to the Jordan 37
Jordan 37 vs wade of wade 10
Hey doc. Hope you are doing good. Can you please do reviews on the wow 808 2 and the wow 808 2 ultra? The ultra version has a drop in midsole that's full length boom too :)
Great review Zach! How would u compare these to the Jordan 36’s (which I love do to cushion, performance and zero foot or knee pain after playing in).
They're a similar experience just wider in the forefoot
For the "Way of Wade 10" sizing, i'm currently wearing a 9 US on Adidas, same sizing or go smaller/bigger? ✌️
Finally some Li Nings! can you do yu shuai XV Low please?
Doctor Zach... it's time to start working on the left hand layups haha
Haha what do you think I’m doing in the video?!
Hey doc can you review the jordan jumpman 2021? many ppl said it's amazing and it's also cheap or budget it would be nice of you review them
Would you recommend this over the KT8?
My son is an eleven yr kid tennis player- Laing 20/25 hours a week. He has severe disease , narrow and flat feet. We wear custom orthotics . Which tennis wouid be best as he has heel pain and Achilles’ tendonitis. Help! Thanks
Would love to see your universal rating system on these shoes like you do in your more recent reviews
It’s in the Google sheet
Hi Zach! Can you have scores on WoW 10s like your recent shoe reviews? 😊
@footdoctorzach so you are recomminding this shoes for weakened warrior like me doc?
Im planning to buy this one the "HALL OF FAME" colorway . Im US size 9. Should i go half size up or just stay thru to size? Thank you
Anyone else with wide, flat/pronation struggled with the fit of the Harden Vol. 6? Feel lot of pressure on my bunion.
Can you fit insoles into these? and if you can, what brands do you recommend for flat feet? Thanks!
is this shoe suitable for heavier players?
Anta shock wave 5 or way of wade 10?
best performance got to get one
I recommend the Aaron Gordon shoes from 361 it has great reviews so far
Hey doc, hope you can check out the 361 Zen 4s.
Zach
How light are these shoes because I am comparing them to the air Jordan Seprate tech, and those are super light, so compared to them how light are they?
And the separate Tech has a zoom thing in the toe and a drop, is this similar to the WoW 10?
Love this review, I am definitely interested in these shoes. I am more of a cut and finish at the rim or kickout kind of player. My issue is always wearing blisters on the balls of my feet. My KD's did a pretty good job helping prevent this but I've played in them so much they feel like walking bear footed with them on. My wife got me some Lebron witness's bc they were on sale and they're ok, but I can't play too long in them without having issues on the bottom of my feet. I wear nike elites when I play. Anyone have any suggestions to help?
I had a lot of issues myself on the balls of my feet with blisters. Getting some thicker socks more basketball related or as a last resort doubling up on socks was a massive help. But your feet slowly get used to it over time solidifying!
what's the final rating score for WOW 10?
Id try to find reps of these and the DLo Ice
Great video. Would these be good for skipping
I dont see why not
The channels on road tires are 100% for siping water and 0% for griping anything. That is why race tires are slicks with no tread.
Do you prefer these or the zoom separates?
So theyre good for tailor's bunions if youre a center? If not then what is better?
My son has two pairs of these and they are both falling apart after 15-20 wears. The traction has rubber that has falling off, the top mesh randomly tore on one pair and the toe drag area came apart from the shoe. The insert fell apart too. The fabric peeled off the padding after two wears. My son is 15 and weights 130 pounds. That said, he loves the traction and the bounce he gets from them.
Can you send them back 15-20 wears is just appalling
I play on a lot of rubber courts, was the grip good four on the rubber?
Heard nothing but great reviews from every source I can find on these, so I copped 2 pairs but I’m getting chronic heel pain after wearing them every time. Anyone else experiencing this??
I have chronic heel pain on every shoe😢
Does Way of Wade 10 fits the same size as the All-City 11?
What are these rated out of 40 for some reason i didnt the universal rating in this video
I wear a size 9.5 in the All City 9 V2. Should I just go with the same size?
Best shoe I have ever played in!
What would the usr rating be?
Hey man amazing video as usual. I have a question. What should I do to prevent shin splints? I have insoles and do specific stretches but none of it works. It’s mainly a football thing with cleats, but even when I run or play basketball they just appear.
Depends what’s causing , severity , etc- you’d need an exam to give specifics
look up exercises to help prevent shin splints.
Does the boom thing make it bouncier than say zoom air?
Best vedio again zach i want ur advice I have a problem in choosing a shoe, can you give me some advice? Well, my feet are wide in the middle of my feet about 12 cm wide, but the width at the toe box is only 11 cm. My feet are 24.5 cm long. Can you recommend some basketball shoes for me? I have a real problem.
@FootDoctorZach I like the wide toe box in the WoW 10. Do you know if any other basketball shoe has this feature?
It looks like possibly WoW All City 10 as well. Would love to see you review this show as well.
is the cushion good for players with plantar fasciitis?
Thanks a lot for all the reviews. All if them helped me narrow down my choices to kd15 and pg6. Im a small forward so i need a shoe to Drive in the Paint a lot, get rebounds etc.. but i Also need an agile shoe, so what do you think is better?
PG6!
I have the pg6 and they are soo good, it gave me around 2 inches to my vert and the traction is really good.
If I like a wide toe box would this be a good shoe?
By any chance, do you have the WoW 10 Low? Is it the exact same shoe as this one?
Are this good for ankle support?
Yep
They sound like a good shoe. I definitely want to cop but I don't understand why wow shoes are so expensive. I'm considering it but don't play as much as I use to