Thanks for watching guys! The darker wood is Lacewood. For those asking about strengh... I would add a key down the center of the miter. Here's a great video by Simplecove on how to key the Miter. th-cam.com/video/_OI76BWKYN4/w-d-xo.html
i gotta say, seeing that ever so slight gap when you fit them together makes me feel a whole lot better about the joints ive been making. ive only made like a dozen or so, but i still have issues with gap fit here and there. to see someone with your expertise have that small gap gives me confidence that its not just something im doing, but something that can happen to any of us. even though the joint doesnt have the same strength as a normal dovetail joint, it looks amazing!
The lacewood is beautiful! Great to see you up and running. I imagine you and Shaun message all day back and forth. It’s probably a lot of fun having him right next door. Sorry to hear about your finger. Getting closer to being a new dad! These are exciting times for you! Thanks for the video. -Ben
Bonus for me, I'm a maker and follow a few different channels, just found you and subbed, looking forward to watching the videos you have, thanks for sharing.
I had to stop the video when Shaun replied because I was laughing so hard! Even though I tried to laugh as quietly as I could, I still laughed loud enough that one of my dogs barked and woke up my wife because I heard her telling him to shut up. Oops! I didn't know that a Saw Stop tablesaw came with a micro adjust miter feature. That's good to know. Seriously though; I've only made one project so far with dovetails, so I'm not that great at it yet, but I would like to make a jewelry box with this joint someday.
I saw a mitered joint where you don’t go all the way through the outside face, so you leave just about a saw kerf of material left. Hit it with some water to soften the thin strip and that allows a full wrap around
Great looking joint buddy, how sweet looking is that lacewood, have used a bit of silky oak over here that kind of has the same look. Top job as always 👍👍👍
I love this series and that corner looks great. However, initially I thought you were going to use a single block for the corner with tails at a 90 degree angle. I confess that an idea for an amplifier head cab made that way has been rattling around in my head for a while but I don’t know how to do it.
So I would really like to see this joint made out of a larger square block rather than a glued mitered butt joint. Very cool concept and I don’t think it would take much to alter and maintain the joint integrity, just a slightly thicker piece of wood .
I would rather do the center pins-piece from a single, thicker piece that you orient at 45-degrees. It's a little bit extra work, but it won't lose the strength of the dovetail that way. Unless you absolutely want only sidegrain on your corner of course. Then the only way to strengthen it is a hidden spline. Or you could miter the solid pins-piece at 45-degrees as well so it'll be just sidegrain. It would still be stronger that the hidden spline technique.
Agreed. Here is a mitered dovetail that is actually a dovetail joint, with only the ends mitered to give an illusion of a miter joint. He only miters the top side that will show on a box made with this joint. th-cam.com/video/zD8Ee_wy5D4/w-d-xo.html
Hell Yeah! Joint of the Week 🤘 EDIT: Have just watched it all and what a fantastic result. It’s also great to see the shop coming along and you get settled in too. I really look forward to this series. I do have a question though, please. What dovetail ratio do you recommend, Jonathan? I’ve heard that there’s different ratio recommendations for soft woods and others for hard woods and was just wondering if there’s a video you’ve made or have some information regarding it, please. Thanks 🙏
Totally awesome! Ya know Jonathan, before you use that hammer again OUCH! You might wanna afix a laser sight on it so you don’t miss ur target Just a thought 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone has already pointed out this is a weak joint, but what if instead of doing it like this you dovetailed a post (L shape looking from top down) on the ends of the legs of the L which you put into the maple. That way you'd get this beautiful join and have the strength of the dovetails?
You couldn't form the tails/pins into a post (vertical grain orientation) as the 'pins' formed in the post would be all short grain and almost as weak as the one in the video. In cabinetmaking/cabinetry it is generally considered vulgar to have endgrain (dovetails in this case) seen on the outside of a piece of furniture i.e. acceptable for drawers as only seen when the drawers are open.
would a rabetted block potentially help to increase the joint strength? kinda like a L shape? its going to have a weak stress point regardless, but was just wondering.
I've been trying to come up with a neat way to do an octagonal shadow box, this might be the way. How much harder would it be to make that pin piece as one solid piece vs the long board, cut down to a miter? Also, ditto some of the other questions, what kind of wood was that dark piece, it looks amazing.
Initially I thought the corner piece was cut from one block with the dovetails square/rotated to each other. I think, that should be possible too, shouldn't it?
So... A regular dovetail, like he (and everyone else) has done thousands of times? The whole point of this is that it's ornamental and allows for visible tails on both sides of the corner.
To be pretty with strength, you can use a thicker piece as the corner and do one of those "impossible dove tail" thing. You carve dove tails in 45 degrees and slide the corner piece in 45 degrees, then cut out the excess. th-cam.com/video/xp-PENvptu0/w-d-xo.html
how about doing this, but instead of a butt joint, make the second joint another dovetail...yep, dovetail light (or dark) sides to a strip in the corner that is dovetailed itself.
Hullo young man. Really good to see you in your new shop, looking forward to having a look around. First of all , I would have paid good money to see that skelp right on the finger. Good job for dud batteries, (suspicious). Did that melody go something like, what the f*ck you stupid f*kcing ar*se hole. Could someone pick up my mallet from across the other end of the workshop please. That is one beautiful joint Mr Moses. This one I will I will have to try. This comment to continue.
Hullo young man. This will be the second part of my comment. What a stunning joint and the choice of timber just made it shine. What I notice is the concentration you show when you are working on a project, very inspiring. You have been doing to much manual work as your finger nails are a mess. treat yourself to a wee manicure.
I'm certainly not attacking your woodworking skills, but that has to be one of the most worthless joints I've seen. Why would you take one of the strongest joints, and turn it into one of the weakest ? I would think there has to be a better way.
Thanks for watching guys! The darker wood is Lacewood. For those asking about strengh... I would add a key down the center of the miter. Here's a great video by Simplecove on how to key the Miter. th-cam.com/video/_OI76BWKYN4/w-d-xo.html
Those dividers you use look like a nice pair. I don’t see them listed under your tools used. Where did you get them?
All the beauty of a dovetail with none of the strength;)
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
This video is a trip! At first I thought this was an April Fool’s joke for a joint. But it came out great. Nice job!
I don’t even know how many times I watched the first 25 seconds laughing. You go guy. Great times having friends that enjoy the same hobbies, jobs.
i gotta say, seeing that ever so slight gap when you fit them together makes me feel a whole lot better about the joints ive been making. ive only made like a dozen or so, but i still have issues with gap fit here and there. to see someone with your expertise have that small gap gives me confidence that its not just something im doing, but something that can happen to any of us. even though the joint doesnt have the same strength as a normal dovetail joint, it looks amazing!
The lacewood is beautiful! Great to see you up and running. I imagine you and Shaun message all day back and forth. It’s probably a lot of fun having him right next door. Sorry to hear about your finger. Getting closer to being a new dad! These are exciting times for you! Thanks for the video.
-Ben
Hahaha more like I distract him all day
I want to try this joint with splines centered on each tail... Great video! I love this series.
was just about to comment the same thing, using the same species of wood that the main sides are
sliding-dovetailed splines of course
Congratulations on the shop! The joint looks fantastic. Thanks for the information.
My pleasure bud!
Simply beautiful!
Fantastic looking joint.
Very nice. I really like the contrast and that miter.
Great looking mitered dovetail corner joint Jonathan! Thank you for sharing the video with us. 😎👍JP
Amazing joint. 👍👍
That was really awesome! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure bud!
Very cool looking joint!
Bonus for me, I'm a maker and follow a few different channels, just found you and subbed, looking forward to watching the videos you have, thanks for sharing.
Welcome my friend!
I had to stop the video when Shaun replied because I was laughing so hard! Even though I tried to laugh as quietly as I could, I still laughed loud enough that one of my dogs barked and woke up my wife because I heard her telling him to shut up. Oops!
I didn't know that a Saw Stop tablesaw came with a micro adjust miter feature. That's good to know.
Seriously though; I've only made one project so far with dovetails, so I'm not that great at it yet, but I would like to make a jewelry box with this joint someday.
Hahahahahahaha
I saw a mitered joint where you don’t go all the way through the outside face, so you leave just about a saw kerf of material left. Hit it with some water to soften the thin strip and that allows a full wrap around
That is really good looking
Thanks bud!
Absolutely stunning!!!
Thanks bud!
Wow, a lot of people think all joints need to hold up their f250s. Its a DECORATIVE joint for a jewelry box and its beautiful.
Right?! Bunch of freakibg nervous Nancys
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
Yahoo about time I have been missing this stuff
We're back baby!
Can't wait to try this one, think I wanna alternate the tails see how that turns out
Probably pretty damn cool. Send pictures!
@@katzmosestools Will do, once the shop is above freezing lol. My dovetail game still needs a ton of work
Another badass joint sir! Glad to have joint of the week BACK!
#huskyboywoodworking
thank you Katz .
This thing is awesome! I'd love to see 2 small maple dovetail splines to lock the joint and add some complicated beauty
Agreed
That is a sexy joint right there
Thank bud!
Appreciate the lesson katz
You got it bud!
Thanks for the video. Question. How impossible would it be to mill the corner out of 1 piece? Mostly to hide the miter on the top of the box. Thanks
Really like the look of this joint ! Then to strengthen the joint , I tried a spline in a 3rd wood . Looks good and also a stronger joint 😎
Totally agree my friend! Cheers!
Great looking joint buddy, how sweet looking is that lacewood, have used a bit of silky oak over here that kind of has the same look. Top job as always 👍👍👍
tip number one for milling to a number divisible by 3, use metric, so much easier
Would it be possible to make the corner out of one solid piece of wood? No mitre joint? Now that would be really cool!
Love you bro. You are the best woodworking channel in know. I've learned so much from you.
Thanks so much Miguel. Means a lot
That’s a cool joint and actually easy to make. I wonder what it would look like with some splines in an accent wood. Maybe I need to try that.
Love the joinery 'library' in the back
I love this series and that corner looks great. However, initially I thought you were going to use a single block for the corner with tails at a 90 degree angle. I confess that an idea for an amplifier head cab made that way has been rattling around in my head for a while but I don’t know how to do it.
Who makes that small square that you are using with your dividers?
So I would really like to see this joint made out of a larger square block rather than a glued mitered butt joint. Very cool concept and I don’t think it would take much to alter and maintain the joint integrity, just a slightly thicker piece of wood .
Great job, not going into the "neighbors yard"!! :)
Hahahaha STAY OUT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS YARD!
I would rather do the center pins-piece from a single, thicker piece that you orient at 45-degrees. It's a little bit extra work, but it won't lose the strength of the dovetail that way. Unless you absolutely want only sidegrain on your corner of course. Then the only way to strengthen it is a hidden spline. Or you could miter the solid pins-piece at 45-degrees as well so it'll be just sidegrain. It would still be stronger that the hidden spline technique.
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
Katz, does your dovetail jig work for thick wood? Say 2" thick.
J’adore votre travail. Merci.
it sure is beautiful, but it makes the dovetail completely decorative, the resulting joint is extremely weak in comparison.
Thanks for sharing!
Agreed. Here is a mitered dovetail that is actually a dovetail joint, with only the ends mitered to give an illusion of a miter joint. He only miters the top side that will show on a box made with this joint. th-cam.com/video/zD8Ee_wy5D4/w-d-xo.html
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
pretty cool
Awesome concept, love this kind of expermenting! Maybe 1 day I will have those skills 🤦♂️🤣🤣👍
A little practice and you'll get it bud. Cheers!
Hell Yeah! Joint of the Week 🤘
EDIT: Have just watched it all and what a fantastic result. It’s also great to see the shop coming along and you get settled in too. I really look forward to this series.
I do have a question though, please. What dovetail ratio do you recommend, Jonathan? I’ve heard that there’s different ratio recommendations for soft woods and others for hard woods and was just wondering if there’s a video you’ve made or have some information regarding it, please. Thanks 🙏
8:1 is 7.1 degrees and typically used for hardwoods. 6:1 is 9.5 degrees and typically used for softwoods
Jonathan Katz-Moses. That’s brilliant. Thanks so much.
Using Nintendo Wii sound effects, nice. Beavis: "Hu, Hu, Hu. He said Butt". That a pretty nice looking corner joint. Nice job.
Totally awesome! Ya know Jonathan, before you use that hammer again OUCH! You might wanna afix a laser sight on it so you don’t miss ur target Just a thought 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone has already pointed out this is a weak joint, but what if instead of doing it like this you dovetailed a post (L shape looking from top down) on the ends of the legs of the L which you put into the maple. That way you'd get this beautiful join and have the strength of the dovetails?
You couldn't form the tails/pins into a post (vertical grain orientation) as the 'pins' formed in the post would be all short grain and almost as weak as the one in the video.
In cabinetmaking/cabinetry it is generally considered vulgar to have endgrain (dovetails in this case) seen on the outside of a piece of furniture i.e. acceptable for drawers as only seen when the drawers are open.
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
would a rabetted block potentially help to increase the joint strength? kinda like a L shape? its going to have a weak stress point regardless, but was just wondering.
Wait until you see the jotw I'm releasing this Sunday
@@katzmosestools cant wait brother... cant wait to get my hands on that dovetail jig.. wife of ordering one for my birthday
That intro, hahaha! Great vid as always!
Hahahahaha thanks Jonny B!
Can you do the joining wood in the middle as a solid piece? The tails would be 90-degrees off of each other.
Nope. Check our the new one I just did
I saw the splined one, looked great!
Great 👍
My best joint of the week is normally on a Friday afternoon.
The good looks of dovetails with none of the strength :p. I can't think of any better way to get that look though, that's gorgeous.
I would add a key down the center like this video th-cam.com/video/_OI76BWKYN4/w-d-xo.html
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
Looks really great but it's just decorative since it removes all the strength of the dovetails idea, imho just for small objects
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
WOW !
Where do you get the wood from?
Local hardwood dealer
that's a good looking joint to kick-off the series in the new place. What's that red wood? its beautiful.
Thanks bud! Lacewood!
Hey Jonathan, what if instead of doing a miter cut you just make a corner piece out of a single block and still have the dovetails? Just a thought.
It wouldn't work because of the grain orientation and you lose the grain wrap. Check out my pinned comment for a strength sloution
Muito lindo seu trabalho
Gracias mi amigo!
Nice .... with a vertical spline would be exciting
I've been trying to come up with a neat way to do an octagonal shadow box, this might be the way. How much harder would it be to make that pin piece as one solid piece vs the long board, cut down to a miter? Also, ditto some of the other questions, what kind of wood was that dark piece, it looks amazing.
Its lacewood and quilted maple. Only issue would be work holding. If you can figure that out a solid piece would work.
Initially I thought the corner piece was cut from one block with the dovetails square/rotated to each other. I think, that should be possible too, shouldn't it?
You would either end up with cross-grain issues or one side of the joint would be endgrain and the other long grain.
It would be tough to hold and there might be some cross grain issues. But it could work.
Looks great, but would a normal dovetail not be stronger?
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
@@DozenDeuce fair enough, gotta say, I'm no expert, but I do find these skills very interesting.
Looks great, but kinda misses the point of the dovetail joint, which is strength.
Jonathon. Have you considered producing your own branded saws?
What was the darker board?
Lacewood
The mitered corner dovetail you did, is only for looks not for strength, know make a corner dovetail for strength using the same woods.
So... A regular dovetail, like he (and everyone else) has done thousands of times? The whole point of this is that it's ornamental and allows for visible tails on both sides of the corner.
@@diminished2nd yes you're right but if you looks with strength that not the way to do it.
@@Charlie-pk6lj Wrong. Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
As always great video Katz.. when did you switch over to that dovetail saw. Do you like it? Amazon?
Check out my video on dovetail saws. Cheers
Great vid! Shaun sent me here. What? No catchphrase or slogan? :) New sub from Texas.
Hahahah I'll leave those for Shaun
At first I thought texting with a block of wood
Now all you want to do is key them with your purple heart
To be pretty with strength, you can use a thicker piece as the corner and do one of those "impossible dove tail" thing. You carve dove tails in 45 degrees and slide the corner piece in 45 degrees, then cut out the excess.
th-cam.com/video/xp-PENvptu0/w-d-xo.html
how about doing this, but instead of a butt joint, make the second joint another dovetail...yep, dovetail light (or dark) sides to a strip in the corner that is dovetailed itself.
Don’t call Mr. Ng Shirley!
Hullo young man. Really good to see you in your new shop, looking forward to having a look around. First of all , I would have paid good money to see that skelp right on the finger. Good job for dud batteries, (suspicious). Did that melody go something like, what the f*ck you stupid f*kcing ar*se hole. Could someone pick up my mallet from across the other end of the workshop please. That is one beautiful joint Mr Moses. This one I will I will have to try. This comment to continue.
Hullo young man. This will be the second part of my comment. What a stunning joint and the choice of timber just made it shine. What I notice is the concentration you show when you are working on a project, very inspiring. You have been doing to much manual work as your finger nails are a mess. treat yourself to a wee manicure.
There is no integrity to the joint. It is basically an end-grain to end-grain glue, which is very weak. I would call it "the Pretty Liars joint".
Proof it’s stronger than dovetails
th-cam.com/video/CE147Ow7RmM/w-d-xo.html
Sure that’s not leopard wood.
Am I in SNES Mario Land?
all that work and it's only as strong as some glue on a flat face...
"my piece is three inches"...
I guess in California you don't used wood fired stoves? dead useful for hiding your mistakes.
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I'm certainly not attacking your woodworking skills, but that has to be one of the most worthless joints I've seen. Why would you take one of the strongest joints, and turn it into one of the weakest ? I would think there has to be a better way.
See my pinned comment
What kind of wood did you use?