I think this is a time to put away our self-imposed separations and realize this isn't a catholic film, this is a religion film and a Jesus Christ film. This isn't an attack on Catholicism, it's an attack on Christianity. Catholicism is just the easiest to sell due to its familiar iconography. As Christians, it's time to come together and fight as one against those from without as well as from within. The recent Methodist schism was first real battle in our modern era.
The Catholic Church is the only valid Church because it is founded by Christ. They attack the Catholic Church BECAUSE it is Christianity itself, and even they know that much. Protestantism is also an attack on Christianity.
IDK about all that brother. The obsession with Rome and the Pope is part of the problem. You are brothers in Christ with us if you believe it in your heart. But, my bible is way more important to me than anything going on in Rome and the Vatican. I have to explain to my fellow non Catholics Christians on a regular basis that the belief of the Catholic church is that the Pope is a higher authority than the book. And they look at me and blink their eyes and I have to repeat that slowly as their eyes get bigger and they have a look of stunned confusion come over them. Yes, the Catholic church puts itself higher than the bible and most of the core issues you talk about in the video actually originated inside the church, not out side. This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a scenario where we should join hands with the Catholic church against the horde of Leftist and secularists. Not in a million years sir. Please go back and learn the history of the catholic church. I mean the official story, you dont even have to go find some secret contriversial history. I mean, you can just watch some seminary course on youtube, they are easy to find, learn the history of the church that the church teaches about itself. That will be good enough to make it clear that its the story of a MOB FAMILY. Its not too far from Shakespeares Richard 2, Henry 4-6 and RIchard 3. Like Martin Luthor. I will not Recant.
@@moseshamlett3887Oh yes, please tell me how Protestantism isn't just a man made religion Luther had his hand in because he wanted to reject his vow celibacy and how secular rulers wanted to take advantage to make a power grab against the Church.
You shouldn't be, it was a very good film. As a non Catholic I certainly didn't view this as a hit job, it was a nuanced look at an imperfect institution trying to best and balance its various traditions and factions all at once.
The Vatican itself selected a Pasolini movie (!!!!) for their list of Best Films ever made. The movie in question is a communist rendition of the Gospel of St Matthew. So you see, cinema and the Church have been in a toxic relationship for years, where one side abuses, and the other side welcomes the abuse.
As a Hindu, I have great respect for Christ. I consider Christ as a great Enlightened being similar to Buddha. I hope Westerners should not take insult to Christ lightly.
I'm am coming back to the church very slowly but these peeps in charge keep me from the organization in itself. At least fully. Very gynocentric and liberal/socialist. Much like Francis himself. I still believe in the doctrine. I'm with Mel.
Catholics know the kind of priests and bishops he's talking about, but Catholics won't talk about it. However, same is true for all religions where religious men wear dresses.
We buried Dad the other day. He was a decorated Korean War Vet who abhorred war. He also referred to priests as men in dresses. I smiled through the entire service. I miss Dad.
@@TRHARTAmericanArtist Nobody cares. However, using your father's death as an opportunity for bigotry is morally disgusting. But hey, go ahead and sh!t all all over his grave, I guess. It's your Dad. What's bizarre is that you really think you did something great by doing it on the internet in front of everybody.
I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I read the book. It was actually quite good, up until the end, which was ridiculous and was just done to be controversial to sell books. Frankly, without the gimmick ending, I don’t think Hollywood would have bothered to film this. I’m not going to spoil it. If you see it, you will understand.
The conclave ends up electing an unkown dark horse canidate as the new pope. The twist ending is that the new pope was a biological woman who had a condition that made her think she was a man up until only a few years prior. The new pope still considers herself a man. The story ends at this point so we don't know what fallout there is.
This reminds me of Louder Milk. The only unsympathetic character in that show was the priest He literally blackmails a man by threatening to shutdown his AA meetings
The “traditional” church had its own struggles and demons. To those who pine for a return to the traditional, I say beware what you wish for. It is a can of worms best left unopened and out of reach. What is the church? That is a question that is ever-relevant, especially today. The film offers an answer: “the church is not tradition…the church is what do we do next.” Not a bad answer.
I agree to an extent. I don’t put trust in the organization. I stick to the doctrine. “What we do next.” Can be influenced by man, which is the current problem.
@@ghettoplex I agree. The problem is undiscerning men. The solution is better discernment. I had a professor who once said Thy Kingdom come means my kingdom go.
I don’t understand the question based on those answers. The Church, according to Ephesians is the Body of Christ, those who follow him. Given that, the church should be traditional in the sense that it should do its best to follow Christ’s teachings.
@@ghettoplex Basically, he meant that God’s will (Thy Kingdom) takes precedence over my will (my kingdom). The point I was trying to make was that discernment helps us to understand and be open to God’s will for us.
I haven't watched the movie and I never will, I just want to mention that 'Tedesco' means German, so it may be a slap at Benedict XVI. who was considered a more traditional Pope.
I'm not really much of trad, but I think their argument that we gave what we've been doing a try and it has not been working, so it is silly to keep doubling down. It's time to try something else.
@oxwagon I think more jp2, lots of theology of the body, dating programs, singles stuff. People should join catholicism because it's a best place to meet people to marry. And more real social justice emphasis, take that away from woke, make it clear what social justice is to the church, again have programs where singles feed the homeless give them wholesome activities to meet people, get to know them. Since kids want to change the world give them useful ways to do it besides woke non sense.
@racheljames7 I'm kinda trad curious, I like all the orodox masses too. As one of my friends says however the trads themselves are the best advocates against their own cause. You spend 10 min with them and go ...huh I'm not so sure I want get involved with this.
In a situation where in Europe the institution of the Church is in decline and the whole concept of Christendom is no longer part of the understanding of Community, and in an America where evangelical Christianity is reduced to Christian Nationalism and the Roman Church is Conservative, it is necessary to seek new ways of Communicating the Gospel. In the Conclave you have the Dialectic between the supporters of the status Quo - effectively Nicene Christianity as reflected in the Edict of Thessalonica, or those who are seeking for the Church to conform to society, or at least the vision of Vatican 2. In the end Laurence would have been the Synthesis, and he would have been voted Pope if it had not been the bomb. However that is not where the future can lie. The new Cardinal had worked in societies which did not reflect Christendom, where the Church, poor, marginalised had to be faithful to the Gospel, which is the future of the Church in Post Christendom. The sexual issue was a minor question which indirectly asks questions, not about Trans, the new pope is not trans, but where you draw the line on the continuum between male and Female. He declined to have his womb removed. Gibson and Morgan are stuck in a vision of Christianity which was a wrong turning almost 1700 years ago in the Edict of Milan. What they are looking to is not a valid production of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I saw this movie earlier this week My friend told me it wasn’t appreciated by Catholics. I said let’s just see it as a movie NOT as church dogma! It was a thriller/ mystery. Great photography, great acting but it hasn’t affected my Catholicism or the practice of my faith. Yes, pretty clear who was going to become Pope. The intersex twist at the end was unexpected but Lawrence’s response to the information was not! Glad there was no woke virtue signalling about multiple gender identities. That would have annoyed me! The Catholic Church will always be attacked because it is made up of flawed human beings but God is still with us!
I understand your view and Mel's view. Some would go even further, back to the 3rd century. That kind of reform may be centuries away. Before the very shocking and surprising twist ending, was the movie truthful up to that point? I would agree with all those who confirm that separate "parties" existing in churches. Liberals vs Conservatives, with pragmatists on the fence. Many real Christians are leaving the churches just for that reason, standing up for the truth is unpopular. But it won't be forever.
I am a Protestant, but I'm just going to say it: Catholics might need to go back to their traditions. Namely some along the lines of "Deus Vult" and "Come on out Ye Black and Tans" I wouldn't blame you the least bit for that.
Wooooow, THAT'S what this movie was? when i saw the trailer i thought it looked like it had potential getting a break from all the existing franchise stuff, i was hoping for a Godfather 3 kind of thing, or diving into the pdf stuff, or going into how the pope is just a figurehead.
Onto the nature of intelligence. Thoughts are chaos. Ideas organise thoughts. Ideologies organise ideas. The issue is where do many put their faith in. For faith breed culture and so cults errect from. The intelligence behind cults is axed toward survival..the more our faith is geared thru Fear the more cults will seek to control religion..for fear bring people to hear what they want to hear and not accept truth. "Which is False can become Real, but it will never be True!"
i'm not catholic, but it was a great movie that exposes what's going on inside the Vatican. I had a prophecy dream a while back when i was in the New age movement that the Catholic Church was being empty, only priests walking down the aisle, it was weird.
I like the point Mel made about two Churches, but think different significance. I always wondered exactly when the popes stopped being Jewish fellas with little hats and started being Catholic fellas with little hats and a crown.
Sin is a plague without cure and it aims the heart that fears death. Who created Sin? Not God. The fallen creators created Sin and its destroying infrastructure of religious faith that undermine the power of the fallen creators.
We've entered a brand new era when Hollywood is put in charge of morality. Has the Catholic church gone this low as to need actors to tell them how it is? LOL
You don't realize that "Tedesco" means "German" in Italian. I can only imagine that the character is supposed to be Josef Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. Pretty blatant, too.
@richarddefortuna2252 I wish I had some kind of meme response to the German part, but all I can think of is that Boys Noize song “Ich R U” which is a really fun song
Ok, sorry, but you need to practice talking or how to properly communicate your thoughts, cause you start and stop at literally every word, which makes extremely hard to make sense of what you are trying to say... Just a constructive criticism 😂
@@ghettoplex i didn't mean to sound nasty by the way. But I do think if you do get better at it would definitely help you and your channel. Keep at it! Cheers! :))
I went into this movie not knowing about the book. In a nutshell, this story is a demonstration of poor writing because Benitez is an unneeded character. In fact he’s worse than unnecessary, his character actually detracts from the story. Bellini was the honest progressive. Benitez was the deceitfully progressive. So the movie had it’s progressive (Bellini) to oppose it’s traditionalist (Tedesco) and it had its middle ground character (Lawrence). Benitez was not needed. On top of this, because of his deceit the character who “won” is someone the audience can’t root for. What a misstep for a writer to make.
I enjoy being the highest moral and aesthetic authority in my life. I spontaneously enjoyed the three-day-long mystical experience a long while back, and hell, if "god" accepts me as I am, I don't need a bunch of other people to approve, accept, or affirm me. And oh, look! The law here in the West appears to have been crafted such that I never have to join any group. All I have to do is obey the law, which is the only objective form of morality. Feels good to be free. I'd recommend it to you, but it seems you're busy rummaging in other peoples' ideas, imagining vainly that we must or even could "go back" to some imagined, better time. I'm not "woke". Not a partisan. That's the hallmark of freedom. I'm too busy doing me to be a joiner. What about you? Don't you want to be free? Don't you want to step into office as the highest moral and aesthetic authority in your own life? After all, if you point to someone else and say they are your superior, well, you could only _do_ that if it was your authority to give away in the first place. And it is.
@@TheDrakelicious Lol, that is the bugaboo of 19th century philosophers, and it doesn't exist in the wild. No one believes nothing. I just don't believe what you believe. And that's okay. Calling people nihilists is identical to calling them psychopaths or otherwise pathologizing them. It's a political move, and it's supposed to frighten people off their position. Not going to work, here. 😁
@RichardLucas I did want to comment on the original post, but it’s a bit incoherent. I’m glad you got it off your chest tho, whatever the message was seems to gives you some kind of bliss. I didn’t want to throw a stick in the wheel.
@@ghettoplex Lol, I'm willing to discuss the issue if you can pull yourself away from reflexive pathologizing and ad hom. I'll get us started... The Enlightenment wasn't about turning one's back on god, but on the church. Science was the new path to absolute truth (so they thought) and the best and brightest would prove that their own moral prejudices were based on something objective, the way physics works. For over four hundred years, folks have sought to develop some scheme that would make morality objective. They failed. That's why you cannot offer any justifications for your prejudice. You don't have any. It's all just politics. It's why the law is set up to protect your biological and psychological idiosyncrasy, because that's what explains differences in moral and aesthetic prejudices. Differences of opinion aren't error. Meta-ethics is writ in proteins, and no one reasons their way to moral positions but Aspies. Our deontological prejudices are below language and we see other animals sharing them. But then we have language, so we use it to try to bring people over to our own prejudices. That's politics. Lol, even the pro moral philosophers who are supposed to have it all worked out are apparently no better at following their own prescriptions than the rest of us. Now, do you have anything of substance in your criticism? By the way, "incoherent" is a way of saying meaningless, and I rather doubt you don't understand its meaning. This is a strategy people invoke when they have no argument, and it is referred to as a "coercive theory of meaning". We can talk about that, too. 😁
God saw Catholicism coming. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
First off Conclave is based on a novel and a very popular one at best and secondly the film was a much needed breath of fresh air from the superhero nonsense but overall I can only hope more and more political thrillers like this are because its nice trip back to the 90s when these kinds of films dominated theaters. Overall its films like this that get people going to the theaters.
If this is the first movie you've seen that's not some Marvel garbage. I'll share some films you've been missing out on since you been living under a rock. These are actually good and should automatically satisfy you and your hate boner for catholics - Longlegs - Pearl - Immaculate (people really only here for Sidney Sweeney's bazongers) Heretic is coming out soon, which looks pretty good. Unrelated to the religion element, The Substance is probably one of the best films of the year. I hope that's more fresh air for you, cause to be fascinated by "Conclave" is a sorry ass choice. There's options out here ya filthy hermit.
@@ghettoplex You just recommended nothing but bloody thrillers and horror films. So much for "options". 🤨Where's this fresh air you condescendingly promised?
@@ghettoplex Substance is refreshingly new and Unique, just pack a strong stomach, gets really weird at the end. Another movie in the genre (Body horror, glam and fashion) The Neon Demon. - Longlegs was good - Never saw Pearl - Immaculate was interesting. - The First Omen was weird - The Popes Exorcist was good For the mountain mans viewing consideration.
Well Gibson is rich so first he needs to give his money away and become poor.Then he needs to stop swearing.Is it going to happen?Of course not!!!Jesus never said Make a successful movie about me and you will be saved.If that was the case you would see a Jesus movie made every year.
@@leblancgeorges1479 Try again. Start with the Sermon on the Mount. The point was to do things like giving wealth away BECAUSE God was soon to Judge you. But what if He isn’t coming soon? Like the LDS Church taught?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah, I'm going to listen to a mentally unstable man! Omg my religion is being made fun of poor me! Talk about snowflakes melting over here! I can't tell you how many times I've heard catholics make jokes about other denominations or religions. Literally, it's uncountable!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah, I'm going to listen to a mentally unstable man! Omg my religion is being made fun of poor me! Talk about snowflakes melting over here! I can't tell you how many times I've heard catholics make jokes about other denominations or religions. Literally, it's uncountable!
I just saw Conclave and actually thought it was excellent!
Great acting, great storytelling.
I think this is a time to put away our self-imposed separations and realize this isn't a catholic film, this is a religion film and a Jesus Christ film. This isn't an attack on Catholicism, it's an attack on Christianity. Catholicism is just the easiest to sell due to its familiar iconography.
As Christians, it's time to come together and fight as one against those from without as well as from within. The recent Methodist schism was first real battle in our modern era.
The Catholic Church is the only valid Church because it is founded by Christ. They attack the Catholic Church BECAUSE it is Christianity itself, and even they know that much. Protestantism is also an attack on Christianity.
@@chrisfoxwell4128 it's a film based on Robert Harris's novel and this has nothing to do with an attack Christianity or Catholicism
IDK about all that brother. The obsession with Rome and the Pope is part of the problem. You are brothers in Christ with us if you believe it in your heart. But, my bible is way more important to me than anything going on in Rome and the Vatican. I have to explain to my fellow non Catholics Christians on a regular basis that the belief of the Catholic church is that the Pope is a higher authority than the book. And they look at me and blink their eyes and I have to repeat that slowly as their eyes get bigger and they have a look of stunned confusion come over them. Yes, the Catholic church puts itself higher than the bible and most of the core issues you talk about in the video actually originated inside the church, not out side. This is ABSOLUTELY NOT a scenario where we should join hands with the Catholic church against the horde of Leftist and secularists. Not in a million years sir. Please go back and learn the history of the catholic church. I mean the official story, you dont even have to go find some secret contriversial history. I mean, you can just watch some seminary course on youtube, they are easy to find, learn the history of the church that the church teaches about itself. That will be good enough to make it clear that its the story of a MOB FAMILY. Its not too far from Shakespeares Richard 2, Henry 4-6 and RIchard 3. Like Martin Luthor. I will not Recant.
@moseshamlett3887 , yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
@@moseshamlett3887Oh yes, please tell me how Protestantism isn't just a man made religion Luther had his hand in because he wanted to reject his vow celibacy and how secular rulers wanted to take advantage to make a power grab against the Church.
I'm pissed off and I'm not even catholic . . .
Lol, same. It's always the same predictable junk.
Evangelists feel the same ...
Become catholic then xD
You shouldn't be, it was a very good film. As a non Catholic I certainly didn't view this as a hit job, it was a nuanced look at an imperfect institution trying to best and balance its various traditions and factions all at once.
LOLz. Whenever I hear the word "nuanced," I'll think of you, ButtMunch . . .
In these times, any Hollywood or european movie will be anti christian or anti catholic propaganda... Just garbage.
It'll be against hue whitness as well.
That's because the ones running the European lands are either NOT European or traitors who only want power.
It's vast... science, medicine, education, ...all filled with lies.... so many that, now, minds believe in upside down and illogical trans ideology
Saturation causes stagnation to, garbage.
The Vatican itself selected a Pasolini movie (!!!!) for their list of Best Films ever made. The movie in question is a communist rendition of the Gospel of St Matthew. So you see, cinema and the Church have been in a toxic relationship for years, where one side abuses, and the other side welcomes the abuse.
As a Hindu, I have great respect for Christ.
I consider Christ as a great Enlightened being similar to Buddha.
I hope Westerners should not take insult to Christ lightly.
I'm am coming back to the church very slowly but these peeps in charge keep me from the organization in itself. At least fully. Very gynocentric and liberal/socialist. Much like Francis himself. I still believe in the doctrine. I'm with Mel.
Same, I don’t bother with the organization. I follow to the doctrine.
start your own church. They don't own religion and they are not the gatekeepers to God.
@@PopeMobileActivate 100% no one owns God and many priest/preachers willful or ignorantly preach lies.
@@PopeMobileActivateyou can’t just start a church… if you’re not called buddy
@@ephTheClone yes you can
When the leaders fail or are corrupted, the doctrine is to follow Tradition no matter what.
Yup. They went for a fad ending, and ducked 1400 years of Jihadism - which is the REAL threat of substance. A swing and a genuine miss.
Catholics know the kind of priests and bishops he's talking about, but Catholics won't talk about it. However, same is true for all religions where religious men wear dresses.
We buried Dad the other day. He was a decorated Korean War Vet who abhorred war. He also referred to priests as men in dresses. I smiled through the entire service. I miss Dad.
@@TRHARTAmericanArtist Nobody cares.
However, using your father's death as an opportunity for bigotry is morally disgusting. But hey, go ahead and sh!t all all over his grave, I guess. It's your Dad. What's bizarre is that you really think you did something great by doing it on the internet in front of everybody.
@@stevedoetsch I guess being a dress wearer yourself, you are insulted. Pardon me.
Plenty of Catholics are talking about it. Taylor Marshall, Nick Donnely, and whose that other one? Oh yes, Mel Gibson.
People don't seek the truth if they believe that they already know the truth.
I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I read the book. It was actually quite good, up until the end, which was ridiculous and was just done to be controversial to sell books. Frankly, without the gimmick ending, I don’t think Hollywood would have bothered to film this. I’m not going to spoil it. If you see it, you will understand.
Spoil it? I'm not going to give these reprobates one cent, they could pay me to watch their movie and I would not do it. I couldn't care less.
The Pope turns out to be a tranny.
The conclave ends up electing an unkown dark horse canidate as the new pope. The twist ending is that the new pope was a biological woman who had a condition that made her think she was a man up until only a few years prior. The new pope still considers herself a man. The story ends at this point so we don't know what fallout there is.
People write the books to sell them, yes. You guys are overreacting. Who the f cares?
This reminds me of Louder Milk. The only unsympathetic character in that show was the priest
He literally blackmails a man by threatening to shutdown his AA meetings
The “traditional” church had its own struggles and demons. To those who pine for a return to the traditional, I say beware what you wish for. It is a can of worms best left unopened and out of reach. What is the church? That is a question that is ever-relevant, especially today. The film offers an answer: “the church is not tradition…the church is what do we do next.” Not a bad answer.
I agree to an extent. I don’t put trust in the organization. I stick to the doctrine. “What we do next.” Can be influenced by man, which is the current problem.
@@ghettoplex I agree. The problem is undiscerning men. The solution is better discernment. I had a professor who once said Thy Kingdom come means my kingdom go.
“Thy kingdom go” what did he mean? Like let go of the kingdom?
I don’t understand the question based on those answers. The Church, according to Ephesians is the Body of Christ, those who follow him. Given that, the church should be traditional in the sense that it should do its best to follow Christ’s teachings.
@@ghettoplex Basically, he meant that God’s will (Thy Kingdom) takes precedence over my will (my kingdom). The point I was trying to make was that discernment helps us to understand and be open to God’s will for us.
I didn't see this film as anti-Catholic. And I'm Catholic. The ending surely was weird, but historical conclaves were way worse.
Euro Trip is still the best conclave movie ever done.
A classic for sure 😂
😂
damn, you just reminded me of that random day of my childhood where i discovered the movie Euro Trip
I haven't watched the movie and I never will, I just want to mention that 'Tedesco' means German, so it may be a slap at Benedict XVI. who was considered a more traditional Pope.
The book was much better than the book. A different twist at the end, in my opinion.
I'm not really much of trad, but I think their argument that we gave what we've been doing a try and it has not been working, so it is silly to keep doubling down. It's time to try something else.
Try something else like what?
@oxwagon I think more jp2, lots of theology of the body, dating programs, singles stuff. People should join catholicism because it's a best place to meet people to marry. And more real social justice emphasis, take that away from woke, make it clear what social justice is to the church, again have programs where singles feed the homeless give them wholesome activities to meet people, get to know them. Since kids want to change the world give them useful ways to do it besides woke non sense.
@Sigrdrifaz Become a Trad, then. Its the only logical conclusion.
@racheljames7 I'm kinda trad curious, I like all the orodox masses too. As one of my friends says however the trads themselves are the best advocates against their own cause. You spend 10 min with them and go ...huh I'm not so sure I want get involved with this.
In a situation where in Europe the institution of the Church is in decline and the whole concept of Christendom is no longer part of the understanding of Community, and in an America where evangelical Christianity is reduced to Christian Nationalism and the Roman Church is Conservative, it is necessary to seek new ways of Communicating the Gospel.
In the Conclave you have the Dialectic between the supporters of the status Quo - effectively Nicene Christianity as reflected in the Edict of Thessalonica, or those who are seeking for the Church to conform to society, or at least the vision of Vatican 2. In the end Laurence would have been the Synthesis, and he would have been voted Pope if it had not been the bomb.
However that is not where the future can lie. The new Cardinal had worked in societies which did not reflect Christendom, where the Church, poor, marginalised had to be faithful to the Gospel, which is the future of the Church in Post Christendom.
The sexual issue was a minor question which indirectly asks questions, not about Trans, the new pope is not trans, but where you draw the line on the continuum between male and Female. He declined to have his womb removed.
Gibson and Morgan are stuck in a vision of Christianity which was a wrong turning almost 1700 years ago in the Edict of Milan. What they are looking to is not a valid production of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I saw this movie earlier this week My friend told me it wasn’t appreciated by Catholics. I said let’s just see it as a movie NOT as church dogma! It was a thriller/ mystery. Great photography, great acting but it hasn’t affected my Catholicism or the practice of my faith. Yes, pretty clear who was going to become Pope. The intersex twist at the end was unexpected but Lawrence’s response to the information was not! Glad there was no woke virtue signalling about multiple gender identities. That would have annoyed me! The Catholic Church will always be attacked because it is made up of flawed human beings but God is still with us!
I understand your view and Mel's view. Some would go even further, back to the 3rd century. That kind of reform may be centuries away. Before the very shocking and surprising twist ending, was the movie truthful up to that point? I would agree with all those who confirm that separate "parties" existing in churches. Liberals vs Conservatives, with pragmatists on the fence. Many real Christians are leaving the churches just for that reason, standing up for the truth is unpopular. But it won't be forever.
I am a Protestant, but I'm just going to say it:
Catholics might need to go back to their traditions.
Namely some along the lines of "Deus Vult" and "Come on out Ye Black and Tans"
I wouldn't blame you the least bit for that.
Join us, brother. Catholic Tradition is God's gift to us and He wants it for you. ❤✝️
any links you recommend on the broken cross conspiracy mentioned in the video?
It’s a book that came out in the 80’s, I really want to make a video on it. It’ll take some time, there’s a lot packed in it
@@ghettoplex looking forward to it. thanks.
If you want to watch a challenging deeper film just watch Scorsese’s ‘Silence’ or John Ford’s ‘The Fugitive’
Wooooow, THAT'S what this movie was? when i saw the trailer i thought it looked like it had potential getting a break from all the existing franchise stuff, i was hoping for a Godfather 3 kind of thing, or diving into the pdf stuff, or going into how the pope is just a figurehead.
That would have been way more interesting
Isn’t this actually occurring in life after Glen Becks experience on good and evil
Gibson is so butt-hurt he was canceled.
I just watched this movie, and it was surprisingly good....right until the end. It's still hard to believe that someone decided this was a good idea.
Not liking the ones that hate you, the horror.
I love hearing Mel Gibson talk about this stuff, i wanna see more of it.
Did you know that Tedesco is used in Italy as a pejorative term for German Jew
GENDARMERIA, it's right there on the guys jacket.
Great review :) I really enjoyed the video
This anti-Catholic nonsense has to stop, as soon as I saw this trailer I knew it'd be Hollywood garbage.
how is this anti catholic
Jump scared by mel saying "pack of" only for him to say men.
Jesus gave this movie a thumbs down.
The book is so much better and more nuanced.
Onto the nature of intelligence.
Thoughts are chaos.
Ideas organise thoughts.
Ideologies organise ideas.
The issue is where do many put their faith in.
For faith breed culture and so cults errect from.
The intelligence behind cults is axed toward survival..the more our faith is geared thru Fear the more cults will seek to control religion..for fear bring people to hear what they want to hear and not accept truth.
"Which is False can become Real, but it will never be True!"
i'm not catholic, but it was a great movie that exposes what's going on inside the Vatican. I had a prophecy dream a while back when i was in the New age movement that the Catholic Church was being empty, only priests walking down the aisle, it was weird.
Its a total fantasy, just like your demonic "vision." You were in the New Age movement. You're probably demonically opressed, if not worse.
Since your not a member how do you know whats "going on inside the Vatican"?
Gotta love Mel & his take on things!❤
Mel dropped absolute truth
I think Mary is a qtπ too but I don't think she's going to see this bro 🙏
Lmao, I’m positive she isn’t, I just remembered hearing her talk about the movie/book and I needed to name drop here for the click bait.
I like the point Mel made about two Churches, but think different significance. I always wondered exactly when the popes stopped being Jewish fellas with little hats and started being Catholic fellas with little hats and a crown.
Sin is a plague without cure and it aims the heart that fears death.
Who created Sin? Not God.
The fallen creators created Sin and its destroying infrastructure of religious faith that undermine the power of the fallen creators.
We've entered a brand new era when Hollywood is put in charge of morality. Has the Catholic church gone this low as to need actors to tell them how it is? LOL
no it was probably at its lowest when they were covering for 100s of pedophile priests.
5:45 yes I've seen that 3 times in my country in the last 7 years
Tedesco was clearly the villain
Team Tedesco, let’s go!
You don't realize that "Tedesco" means "German" in Italian. I can only imagine that the character is supposed to be Josef Ratzinger, Benedict XVI. Pretty blatant, too.
@richarddefortuna2252 I wish I had some kind of meme response to the German part, but all I can think of is that Boys Noize song “Ich R U” which is a really fun song
But Grace Reynolds loves this movie.
Mel Gibson still upset about Nostra Aetate...
i hate them respecting disgusting and violent muslim groups but hating on Christianity....i hope people dont watch this and movie flops
Total trash.
Pure evil.
Ok, sorry, but you need to practice talking or how to properly communicate your thoughts, cause you start and stop at literally every word, which makes extremely hard to make sense of what you are trying to say... Just a constructive criticism 😂
You're not wrong, I do struggle with how I think of what I want to say and how I actually say it
@@ghettoplex i didn't mean to sound nasty by the way. But I do think if you do get better at it would definitely help you and your channel. Keep at it! Cheers! :))
@@creativestudio101 No offense taken, the same thing is on my mind as I'm talking, lmao
Nooooo
Bro how you gona use sweet gorgeous Mary Morgan in your thumbnail but not included her in the vid?
Clackbait forsure.
I went into this movie not knowing about the book. In a nutshell, this story is a demonstration of poor writing because Benitez is an unneeded character. In fact he’s worse than unnecessary, his character actually detracts from the story. Bellini was the honest progressive. Benitez was the deceitfully progressive. So the movie had it’s progressive (Bellini) to oppose it’s traditionalist (Tedesco) and it had its middle ground character (Lawrence). Benitez was not needed. On top of this, because of his deceit the character who “won” is someone the audience can’t root for. What a misstep for a writer to make.
From a narrative standpoint point, you are 100% spot on.
Benitez is more integral in the book, in my opinion.
*subscribed*
Who the girl in the thumbnail ?
Mary Morgan from Pop Culture Crisis
Who dat? Who dat girl?
I like Mary, she gives me hope for the future of America.
@destry5250 same 🙏🏼
@malfeitor1349 is that from a meme? 😂
This movie seems intresting! They should make a sequel called 'The Council of Nicea"!
@@jameskevin6017 this film is based on novel.
@@gloriathomas3245 I knew, Council of Nicea would be the best!
Thanks much! I'll miss it.
I took one for the team
stinic and evl.
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This Mel video is pure gold, he’s absolutely got point of the situation.
Mel has been in the U.S. for too long since he's developed an American accent.
We need a trans gay Pope now. This is the time.
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You know, the last book of the B has the Catholic Church as partner to the Anti-C. I said Church, as in the institution.
No, I'm not watching the movie. Hollywood keeps producing trash. I know who i serve in my heart and whom I love, Jesus.
I enjoy being the highest moral and aesthetic authority in my life. I spontaneously enjoyed the three-day-long mystical experience a long while back, and hell, if "god" accepts me as I am, I don't need a bunch of other people to approve, accept, or affirm me. And oh, look! The law here in the West appears to have been crafted such that I never have to join any group. All I have to do is obey the law, which is the only objective form of morality. Feels good to be free. I'd recommend it to you, but it seems you're busy rummaging in other peoples' ideas, imagining vainly that we must or even could "go back" to some imagined, better time. I'm not "woke". Not a partisan. That's the hallmark of freedom. I'm too busy doing me to be a joiner. What about you? Don't you want to be free? Don't you want to step into office as the highest moral and aesthetic authority in your own life? After all, if you point to someone else and say they are your superior, well, you could only _do_ that if it was your authority to give away in the first place. And it is.
So basically...Nihilism?
@@TheDrakelicious Lol, that is the bugaboo of 19th century philosophers, and it doesn't exist in the wild. No one believes nothing. I just don't believe what you believe. And that's okay. Calling people nihilists is identical to calling them psychopaths or otherwise pathologizing them. It's a political move, and it's supposed to frighten people off their position. Not going to work, here. 😁
@@TheDrakelicious But do yourself a favor and identify _specifically_ where you think I am off-base so that I may address it more precisely.
@RichardLucas I did want to comment on the original post, but it’s a bit incoherent. I’m glad you got it off your chest tho, whatever the message was seems to gives you some kind of bliss. I didn’t want to throw a stick in the wheel.
@@ghettoplex Lol, I'm willing to discuss the issue if you can pull yourself away from reflexive pathologizing and ad hom. I'll get us started...
The Enlightenment wasn't about turning one's back on god, but on the church. Science was the new path to absolute truth (so they thought) and the best and brightest would prove that their own moral prejudices were based on something objective, the way physics works. For over four hundred years, folks have sought to develop some scheme that would make morality objective. They failed. That's why you cannot offer any justifications for your prejudice. You don't have any. It's all just politics. It's why the law is set up to protect your biological and psychological idiosyncrasy, because that's what explains differences in moral and aesthetic prejudices. Differences of opinion aren't error. Meta-ethics is writ in proteins, and no one reasons their way to moral positions but Aspies. Our deontological prejudices are below language and we see other animals sharing them. But then we have language, so we use it to try to bring people over to our own prejudices. That's politics. Lol, even the pro moral philosophers who are supposed to have it all worked out are apparently no better at following their own prescriptions than the rest of us.
Now, do you have anything of substance in your criticism?
By the way, "incoherent" is a way of saying meaningless, and I rather doubt you don't understand its meaning. This is a strategy people invoke when they have no argument, and it is referred to as a "coercive theory of meaning". We can talk about that, too. 😁
God saw Catholicism coming.
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
God Is The Head Of The Church.
First off Conclave is based on a novel and a very popular one at best and secondly the film was a much needed breath of fresh air from the superhero nonsense but overall I can only hope more and more political thrillers like this are because its nice trip back to the 90s when these kinds of films dominated theaters.
Overall its films like this that get people going to the theaters.
If this is the first movie you've seen that's not some Marvel garbage. I'll share some films you've been missing out on since you been living under a rock.
These are actually good and should automatically satisfy you and your hate boner for catholics
- Longlegs
- Pearl
- Immaculate (people really only here for Sidney Sweeney's bazongers)
Heretic is coming out soon, which looks pretty good.
Unrelated to the religion element, The Substance is probably one of the best films of the year.
I hope that's more fresh air for you, cause to be fascinated by "Conclave" is a sorry ass choice.
There's options out here ya filthy hermit.
@@ghettoplex You just recommended nothing but bloody thrillers and horror films. So much for "options". 🤨Where's this fresh air you condescendingly promised?
@@ghettoplex Substance is refreshingly new and Unique, just pack a strong stomach, gets really weird at the end. Another movie in the genre (Body horror, glam and fashion) The Neon Demon.
- Longlegs was good
- Never saw Pearl
- Immaculate was interesting.
- The First Omen was weird
- The Popes Exorcist was good
For the mountain mans viewing consideration.
I sense that similar movie about any other religion is not coming any time soon? :D
H✡️LYW✡️✡️D making films that depict Catholics in a negative light is “rEfReShiNg”? Not really. They’ve been doing that all along.
like get 4 views
12,000 views later, you still a fool.
Well Gibson is rich so first he needs to give his money away and become poor.Then he needs to stop swearing.Is it going to happen?Of course not!!!Jesus never said Make a successful movie about me and you will be saved.If that was the case you would see a Jesus movie made every year.
@@michaels5676 Not my fault if you don't read the Bible.
@@leblancgeorges1479 Try again. Start with the Sermon on the Mount. The point was to do things like giving wealth away BECAUSE God was soon to Judge you. But what if He isn’t coming soon? Like the LDS Church taught?
Woke BS, I walked out as soon as it was exposed, and the word hysterectomy was used
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah, I'm going to listen to a mentally unstable man! Omg my religion is being made fun of poor me! Talk about snowflakes melting over here! I can't tell you how many times I've heard catholics make jokes about other denominations or religions. Literally, it's uncountable!
Weird how Christianity is especially hated on in movies and shows more than any other religion….
Mel should play a raBBI
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah, I'm going to listen to a mentally unstable man! Omg my religion is being made fun of poor me! Talk about snowflakes melting over here! I can't tell you how many times I've heard catholics make jokes about other denominations or religions. Literally, it's uncountable!