Ive been an electrician for 25 years. Self employed and running my own business for the last 15 years. The one main thing and most important thing I have learned over that time is to “KNOW YOUR OWN WORTH”. Your a quality spark Nick and like everything else in life, quality comes at a price. In this day and age, people should be grateful to find a bloke like yourself willing to take on their job.
@@davecowan9466 I come across lots of burned out shower isolators with loose connections being the general culprit especially on pull cord type. That’s because terminating 10mm cable is not easy in domestic situations and especially so for the DIY brigade. Although this is also occasionally so for 6mm wiring it’s much less common. Also even with 9/10KW showers I’ve never seen signs of thermal damage on correctly terminated connections in the switch/shower/OCPD 6mm cable
@@Marco-mg9tv not seen thermal damage on a 6mm2, have you been living under a rock, i see it all the time, 30meter run of 6mm2 buried in insulation on a 9kw shower, its simple maths and causes plenty of burnt out switches. But you crack on wiring it in 6mm pal 😏
@@Marco-mg9tv Very poor argument for using the wrong size cable to be fair, you can’t use poor workmanship as a reason for using undersized cable. Shower pull cords should be banned full stop though to be fair, very poor design for their application. Never had an issue terminating 10mm in a double sized 45/50 amp switch with a 47mm back box.
Just on a side note I priced a village hall a year ago, they came back last week & said funds were nearly ready but excepted I'd need to reprice on today prices. Having spoken to my local wholesaler he said most items are 30% up on a year ago & metal trunking now 50% up. Its hard to keep tabs on rising prices especially when you price per point. 😪
metal trunking is up but not by 50% more like 15 to 25 % and cable I agree possibly even more. If you go with Legrand It might well be but go with Philip Graham, Bison or Kernow Fixings and they will heavily undercut Legrand,
From watching your videos I can tell you're a pretty fair guy and I had £15k in my head. I then thought of other TH-cam electricians and thought you could add £10k to that.
As a painter and decorator I think that we are the guys who are villinised by customers who are happy to spend 10K on a new kitchen but think we should decorate it for less than minimum wage plus materials. I hear and feel your pain.
I painted for 10 months before I started college for sparking , any one can paint but not everyone can be shit hot at it , when your really good that means your really fast so in and out means more money
I'm not in the trade so talking purely as a customer...that price is huge...but so is the job! Guessing a good amount of the price has come from the materials, and if you want the look you've got to accept the price! Glad you've managed to sort things out with the customer.
I’m based in north Kent a lot of my work is in greater London, price came on my Tradify at my rate that I charge to builders £17,897.92 + VAT and £19,727.71 + VAT for new customers. I added in a carbon monoxide which I always but in proximity too the boiler.
That an LD2 D1 smoke alarm install and LD1 D1 is not really required if the client is trying to keep costs down. I would how ever install a CO alarm if required might as well at the same time its only an extra £100 for a decent one.
@@mixit2413 yeah thanks for doing the research on this, i get stressed about grades and stuff, but our best practice is to do the comprehensive one, before 'fancy sockets'... lets me sleep easier
@@TheChipmunk2008 Nothing wrong with the expensive one I'd prefer it but un current regulations all that's required is LD2 D1. Also when you do your full installs make sure you fitting a Quality alarm like an Aico nothing worse than fitting something cheap for it to fail 3 years later and having to replace everything again.
£15-17k + vat would be my estimate depending on brand of sockets and downlights as we all know they vary a lot. I'd add more cat6 cabling for wifi access points & a small 4U rack for the cables to terminate in with a pdu as well.
I have worked this out based on retail prices as a DIYer, parts alone without the RCBO's I am at a little under £2800 with a Schneider 16 way split load consumer unit, can take that up to £3000 by adding in the patresses and trunking and then working off 3 weeks to do the job with my day rate I come in at £11000 not VAT registered and without final finishing of decor as I dont do that
So 11K less 3K for materials =8K your saying 3 weeks/15 days so your day rate is over £500 per day ? No problem well done to get work at £500+ per day but how have you managed to stay not VAT registered with a turnover well above £100K per year ?
I’m from Birmingham, and no where near as experienced as you but pricing up you material list the work list and how long I think it would take, I had £15,500 in my head. So I think your asking a fair price, as we all know there will be cheaper people there will be more expensive people but £15000 with you is a decent price and your getting 5 star work quality.
Oh if you want a comparison on day rates (different industry i know), my business provides veterinary services to vetpractices and farms etc. For a fully qualified Vet with about 11 years of training, 5 or more years qualified, with their own vehicle and kit the day rate is £350. If you want surgery, say a caesarean on a cow or a sheep that's about £160. So i feel your pain when it comes to charging customers and what they are prepared to pay. I have no wiggle room as the consumables are what they are; all i can do is lower the vet costs but that then comes out of the business earnings which doesn't have a high profit margin to start with.
Its funny how some people want things for less than your worth, Cant see the point in enhancing someone else's life while you struggle to make a living. think you know a spark i used to work with
That quote seems resonable. The Artisan Electrics fella said he quoted £30k to rewire an average sized house, but the customer went with someone who quotes £10k instead.
Yes I caught that and thought it was extortionate. I realise that he had to go and rectify a couple of things the other company had done but even so. Still saved 20k.
Hey Nick, based on what you said, my price came out to £18,212p including VAT. Like you said, value and worth are an important thing to take into account.
London. I'm not a spark, but based on how I've seen the large jobs that I've had done priced I would expect it to be in the £14k-£15k + VAT range for that (I cam e up with £14,160 plus uplift for non-standard items - nickle sockets/faceplates, up/down lights/doorbell/led tiles/EV ultra.) Plus the board+RCBOs/etc. (don't have a feel for how much that is)
Catching up on your old vids Nick and I had this one in at around 12-13k not VAT registered and that’s in Glasgow. Good to see where everybody else is with pricing and thanks for sharing
The going rate down here (sussex) for down lights per point is £70, that's the best part of £4.5k for the 60 they want. Take into account the double stack board, rcbo's and everything else they want yeah I'd expect that to be around £16k INC VAT around sussex too. It's a good 10 days work for 2 guys in an occupied rewire of that size. Domestic Customers generally vastly under estimate the cost of a rewire and forget that it's expected to last a minimum of 25 years, that works out to around £640/year. On average you're supposed to budget 3% of a properties value per year for maintenance (no one ever does) I'd bet it comes in well under that. Unfortunately people have become comfortable borrowing the maximum amount and usually over stretching when it comes to actually being able to afford the day to day running of a property.
Well unsurprisingly I came out the cheapest at approx. 11K (not vat registered and now a sole trader) But I do believe your price is spot on ! reasons why I'm cheaper 27 years in the job & lower overheads
£5-10k for a rewire depending on size of the house. Then another roughly £5k for fixtures and fittings depending on quality. £15k is probably on the expensive side but not unreasonable at all.
Cambridge spark and I would have definitely priced that higher, very fair price there Nick. Customers seem to think that after the material cost what’s left is your wages 🤦♂️ you are providing a service, giving a warranty and running a business, when I am accused of being too expensive I just politely say that I cannot compete with there lower quote and mine still stands if you would like to proceed with it, very very often they regret going with the cheapest in the end.
Good to see you won the job! I'd of priced the job a tad more (ie £17-18K VAT inclusive). The only changes I'd of made to your quote were: 10mm instead of 6mm for the electric shower Include a small 6U rack (wall mounted) for the switch & patch panel.
Hi Nick, I’m purely an industrial spark nowadays, fancied seeing how out of touch I was with pricing, Im in Bexhill got to £15,400. Love to videos keep it up mate
Hi Nick, love your videos, I priced it up very roughly using Tradify in Northampton, I'm not VAT registered and I was around £13,000 And I don't give a customer a discount if I can film at their house! People think TH-cam is easy, if it's so easy then why don't they do it, it takes up way too much of my time that I'm hardly getting paid for. This video has aolso taught me that I may need to increase my prices!
Over the years, as i have tried to become better and better at DIY and get into woodworking, my appreciation of tradesmen has increased. When someone has very little knowledge how to do things, they assume its easy and only takes half an hour to do those little jobs. I couldnt have been more wrong. I love doing DIY and woodworking, but there is no doubt, doing something right takes a huge amount of time and effort.
No idea what labour to price for that but I'd imagine prob 5 or 6 weeks for 2 electricians is about right. Its a huge amount of work. So your price seems bang on to me?
Before I even watch, no. £200-ish a day is normal. Plus materials. Plus certificate. Plus the skill to not squander all the materials. Things build up exponentially so what you can grasp as "a few things" ends up deceptively "fewer" so it "looks" expensive. Always.
I came in at £15,200 + vat. So you're not far off the mark. never ceases to amaze me how even on small 1 bed flat rewires.....people seem to think it's gonna cost them £1000max and think your having a laugh when you quote them higher.....people just don't understand the prices of materials.
I’m not a ‘leccie but it’s a very informative video, and that includes the comments, now if I could only get a full rewire for £300, free teas all day and hot pork pies. That includes a premium for me ‘helping’ and a cat scan every time you walk past her though!
Manchester, £13,000 all day long. Good to see how other sparks do their pricing. We charge £50 per point no matter what the point, socket, switch, spot then + materials on top. Great vid, Nick. ❤
I'm not a sparky but I enjoy watching your videos. With everything the customer wanted it sounded expensive from the start. It seemed like they were hoping for a huge mate's rate quote.
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I watched it mate, video did good numbers too 🙌 it’s a tough one as they want all the good stuff but don’t really know how much products cost or how much work goes into it all
Hi nick I am a electrician in and around derby and that is bang on the Mark around this area and your area unless a none electrician does it than it would cost around £4.000 lol if you do a good job than like you said you know what you're worth
That's a good price IMO. Here in SE London we would've been around £17K + vat. There will be definite extras as well, AV, RING, Alarms, CCTV, network cables or access points. Another solution for the client when there's loads of downlights is to off set some against some recessed / plaster-in LED profile and strip, sometimes works out cheaper, looks much more modern and the ceiling doesn't look like a runway.
Didn't write it down but have been looking at alot of the bits for my own place, I had around £16,000 in my head that 1) I would charge and 2) what I'd expect to pay someone for the amount of work. Seen pretty much all your videos and know the quality of work you put in. I'm in Peterborough
£12,440+ VAT. Add an extra £1k to that if other trades are on site as they always cost me time and money (you know plasterers plastering over stuff, plumbers using the holes you cut out for your cables for PEX pipe, or hanging about waiting for them as they think their time is more important than mine). Location East Midlands.
Electric shower feed should be in 10mm sounds like the property is big so could be too big of a run for 6mm depends on what load the shower is most are around 8.7kw
The amount of customers who just don’t realise the price of things and don’t understand why we charge so much labour is quite high. I work externally on all hard landscaping (brickwork,groundwork, fencing,paving ect) the problem is in that specific trade there are a lot of bad actors who basically are 20-30% cheaper but will never do a proper job. I’ve given up trying to be competitive my price is my price.
Hi. I'm a sole trader in Shropshire. I got £16.5K , I'm not vat registered. So similar ball park. It annoys me when people ask for such a crazily high spec and then suddenly it's over budget. If they didn't light it up like a Christmas tree and had less flashy face plates they could save a lot!
edited to add the cost of the bits Having recently done some rewiring and added up the cost of stuff, for only 5 rooms and the hall (so no loft or kitchen or extension because that's coming next week) I used 21 double sockets, 1 single socket, 3 single light switches, 4 double light switches, 42 spots, 3 smoke and 1 heat alarm (not fitted yet because kitchen extension) and used a total of 410m of cable in various forms not including the 3 ethernet points because i bought a 100m spool and have no way of knowing what i used or what i didn't And I also noticed that, as it took from April to December to finish up, the prices of things were going up every time I bought them by a few quid When I get the spreadsheet out for the costs I'll edit this to add the final figure But I was shocked at how much things started to add up Shocked I tell you 😯 so i spent £1,874.66 over all on the above out of which £1,288.27 was on the electrical bits and bobs with the rest being the tools and stuff i needed to buy as and when i used 200m of 2.5 (sockets) 150m of 1.5 (lights) and 60m of 3 core (fire and two way switching) so either that house is much smaller or you have a way to stretch that cable out 🤣 i must also add that the spark who is doing the extension has quoted for all the wiring and CU fitting price if i supply all the bits and it's all been rolled into the overall quote for the entire extension so no breakdown on prices there otherwise i would have included that too previous quotes were ALL £60 per point to supply and fit basic plastic white switches and one ceiling rose per i'm in west london so i know the rewire on my cousins 4 bed, 4 floor townhouse was the other side of £30k so i think i saved a few quid by making some holes i the walls myself (supervised by the spark as he was passing throughover the months before folks get all keyboard warrior on me)
I’m a bit out of touch with pricing as the only house rewires I’ve done lately are on my own properties all gutted and refurbished or for relatives as such I only think of it in terms of material my time doesn’t count. But your price is reasonable especially considering how material prices have gone up.
I wouldn't look at less than 20 to maybe 25k for that. Standard 3 bed house in South London is normally 8k and that doesn't include anything extravagant. Also, I don't use 6mm for showers and hobs etc. Everything is 10mm as the limits on 6mm for a 11kw shower and some of the big induction hobs makes it not worth it. I don't do rings and I won't connect outside sockets to internal circuits. they get their own feeds as do outside lights. Nothing outside that could get wet and trip a breaker should ever turn off something in the house in my eyes. That is just how I look at things, I am lucky to work in affluent areas with customers that know me by reputation and recommendation. I like to think of myself like the Stella advert 'Reassuringly Expensive' 😂
If they don’t like the price then they need to come down on the spec. White plastic accessories are perfectly adequate. If they want poncey they must pay poncey.
Too many cheap’o around that don’t appreciate you. I turn jobs down after the initial hand shake if I get a bad vibe 🤷🏽♂️! Pick and choose if you have the luxury to do so and that’s when you know your worth. Keep up the great work man 🤙🏽🔥
Not an electrician but sounds fair and you can easily explain how you got to the price. The only thing that struck me was how few smoke alarms there were. That may be the minimum but if that house is anywhere near as big as I assume it is I’d want one in every room. I’d cut the black nickel (finger prints galore from kids) and buy more smokes and a fire extinguisher or several.
Your price including VAT should not have been exactly 20% higher. The materials will cost the same whether you pay the vat when you buy them from the wholesaler (if you're not VAT registered), or when you add the VAT on your invoice to the customer (if you are VAT registered). Only the labour part should cost 20% more.
Great Video from a guy with a professional approach! As a retired property developer, I like to keep up to date, re. costings etc. I think your price was very fair, rewires are very labour intensive, strip-out of old cabling and installation of new cable runs, very easy to under-estimate. From experience, high quality white switches/sockets don't date!!
It’s always difficult when its someone you know! But i would not do for less than £15K its a lot of work. I’m based down in the south east and give most customers fixed day rate with materials on top. That way they know where they stand. I have done this for 30 years and its works well. Especially with material costs being so volatile. At least there still sees to be plenty of work out there. 👍
13:28 Well in hungary that IS a year's wages lol. A decent one at that. But that aside what I hate the most is the mentality of workers and owners when the mason and the carpenter leaves by saying "Job's done, it's a house" because it has 4 walls and a bloody roof while a good half of the costs are just coming up
I renovate properties and when you were going through it I was thinking to myself that’s a big house. It sounded like there were a lot of extras in there where the home owner hasn’t realised that it will add up so scaling it back is a good thing to do. 56 spots and 3 extractors. I just thought how big is this place.
Just as a homeowner, I look at the amount of fixtures there and the fact they are going for premium finish, I know that cable is expensive (all that copper!) Without looking t]at anyone else's comment I'd be bracing myself for region of 15K, with the expectation I may be a fair bit out. I understand tradesmen have to price in the time quoting for jobs they won't get, and their time to manage accounts etc. Running of vehicles, tools etc.
To be honest I think the VAT is the main thing here, minus the VAT I think your bang on, I think the extra 20% can just push into being expensive. Just doesn’t benefit domestic customers most of the time.
Some customers just don't realise how much work gose in to seeing that finished socket or lights in ceilings it's not done with a magic wond move furniture lift floor run cable wraggel in socket complete install reinstate the room only for the customers to bulk at the cost & say its only a socket !! Wtf? Thay haven't seen the work as it's all neatly run under the floor etc 🤯
Thanks for the insight. Are you moving away from fusebox to verso? I like that fusebox is cheap and in stock but have had a few issues with rcbos recently. What's your go to supplier for verso? No one local seems to stock them.
Mainly watching as I'm interested but had £15k in mind with that spec. Not in the same trade as you (any more) but finding the same problem with customers wanting something bespoke but not wanting to pay what it's worth.
Thats a fair price, the amount of accessories is the same as rewiring like 3 properties apart from the consumer unit, but if you think of it from that point of view then £15k-£18k inc VAT.. If your Artisan Electrics thats a £60k-£80k.. I think after that job you are going to have another video saying I under charged for this work.. If its an empty property and built in say the 60s to 80's with floorboards, good accessibility etc then big difference to an old stone property... Its a lot of money but you have to be allowing £5k for materials and thats a months work potentially depending how it goes..
I once had a Private customer Whom almost divorced his wife over the amount of Spotlight's she required in her Dressing room... Planning is key People. Do the arguing in your own time Please! Save you a Sh*t load of money in the long run!
Ive been an electrician for 25 years. Self employed and running my own business for the last 15 years.
The one main thing and most important thing I have learned over that time is to “KNOW YOUR OWN WORTH”.
Your a quality spark Nick and like everything else in life, quality comes at a price.
In this day and age, people should be grateful to find a bloke like yourself willing to take on their job.
6mm shower cable 😮 i would be throwing 10mm2 in as standard
10mm cable causes far more hazards than the nonsense around overload on a 6mm will ever be the case
@@Marco-mg9tv Care to elaborate? Seems a very odd comment to make without explanation!
@@davecowan9466 I come across lots of burned out shower isolators with loose connections being the general culprit especially on pull cord type. That’s because terminating 10mm cable is not easy in domestic situations and especially so for the DIY brigade. Although this is also occasionally so for 6mm wiring it’s much less common. Also even with 9/10KW showers I’ve never seen signs of thermal damage on correctly terminated connections in the switch/shower/OCPD 6mm cable
@@Marco-mg9tv not seen thermal damage on a 6mm2, have you been living under a rock, i see it all the time, 30meter run of 6mm2 buried in insulation on a 9kw shower, its simple maths and causes plenty of burnt out switches. But you crack on wiring it in 6mm pal 😏
@@Marco-mg9tv Very poor argument for using the wrong size cable to be fair, you can’t use poor workmanship as a reason for using undersized cable. Shower pull cords should be banned full stop though to be fair, very poor design for their application. Never had an issue terminating 10mm in a double sized 45/50 amp switch with a 47mm back box.
Just on a side note I priced a village hall a year ago, they came back last week & said funds were nearly ready but excepted I'd need to reprice on today prices. Having spoken to my local wholesaler he said most items are 30% up on a year ago & metal trunking now 50% up. Its hard to keep tabs on rising prices especially when you price per point. 😪
metal trunking is up but not by 50% more like 15 to 25 % and cable I agree possibly even more. If you go with Legrand It might well be but go with Philip Graham, Bison or Kernow Fixings and they will heavily undercut Legrand,
From watching your videos I can tell you're a pretty fair guy and I had £15k in my head. I then thought of other TH-cam electricians and thought you could add £10k to that.
As a painter and decorator I think that we are the guys who are villinised by customers who are happy to spend 10K on a new kitchen but think we should decorate it for less than minimum wage plus materials. I hear and feel your pain.
Get a proper trade then painting is a womans job
@@matthewdale5838 on-site banter doesn't translate very well into online comments...
If you can piss you can paint
@@davebates8127 can you piss straight though
I painted for 10 months before I started college for sparking , any one can paint but not everyone can be shit hot at it , when your really good that means your really fast so in and out means more money
when I seen the title I thought it must be an artisan video 😂
Hi Nick. I am at £13800 minimum with mid range accessories. Sole trader, no vat. Great vid.
Nice one! Cheers bud
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I'm not in the trade so talking purely as a customer...that price is huge...but so is the job! Guessing a good amount of the price has come from the materials, and if you want the look you've got to accept the price! Glad you've managed to sort things out with the customer.
I was roughly at £17,000 in Essex, not VAT registered.
I’m based in north Kent a lot of my work is in greater London, price came on my Tradify at my rate that I charge to builders £17,897.92 + VAT and £19,727.71 + VAT for new customers. I added in a carbon monoxide which I always but in proximity too the boiler.
Yeah that number of smoke alarms seems low to me, we always put in all bedrooms, living rooms, corridors now, after watching some NICEIC webinars
That an LD2 D1 smoke alarm install and LD1 D1 is not really required if the client is trying to keep costs down. I would how ever install a CO alarm if required might as well at the same time its only an extra £100 for a decent one.
@@mixit2413 yeah thanks for doing the research on this, i get stressed about grades and stuff, but our best practice is to do the comprehensive one, before 'fancy sockets'... lets me sleep easier
@@TheChipmunk2008 Nothing wrong with the expensive one I'd prefer it but un current regulations all that's required is LD2 D1.
Also when you do your full installs make sure you fitting a Quality alarm like an Aico nothing worse than fitting something cheap for it to fail 3 years later and having to replace everything again.
Aico everytime
£15-17k + vat would be my estimate depending on brand of sockets and downlights as we all know they vary a lot. I'd add more cat6 cabling for wifi access points & a small 4U rack for the cables to terminate in with a pdu as well.
Normal price Circa £15 - 19k Artisan price - £89k ish plus extras
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Depends if there’s 20k in ferrules on top of the basics.
I have worked this out based on retail prices as a DIYer, parts alone without the RCBO's I am at a little under £2800 with a Schneider 16 way split load consumer unit, can take that up to £3000 by adding in the patresses and trunking and then working off 3 weeks to do the job with my day rate I come in at £11000 not VAT registered and without final finishing of decor as I dont do that
So 11K less 3K for materials =8K your saying 3 weeks/15 days so your day rate is over £500 per day ? No problem well done to get work at £500+ per day but how have you managed to stay not VAT registered with a turnover well above £100K per year ?
Nice hat! Must have cost you a fortune they are like gold dust!
😂😂😂😂 found it in the bin outside mate
C'mon Jordan! Let's see your price!
@@BerkeleyTowers just times this price by 4 or 5
monday club.. were out
rumour is that hat costs about 15 to 16 grand on Ebay
I’m from Birmingham, and no where near as experienced as you but pricing up you material list the work list and how long I think it would take, I had £15,500 in my head. So I think your asking a fair price, as we all know there will be cheaper people there will be more expensive people but £15000 with you is a decent price and your getting 5 star work quality.
Oh if you want a comparison on day rates (different industry i know), my business provides veterinary services to vetpractices and farms etc. For a fully qualified Vet with about 11 years of training, 5 or more years qualified, with their own vehicle and kit the day rate is £350. If you want surgery, say a caesarean on a cow or a sheep that's about £160. So i feel your pain when it comes to charging customers and what they are prepared to pay. I have no wiggle room as the consumables are what they are; all i can do is lower the vet costs but that then comes out of the business earnings which doesn't have a high profit margin to start with.
Its funny how some people want things for less than your worth, Cant see the point in enhancing someone else's life while you struggle to make a living. think you know a spark i used to work with
That quote seems resonable. The Artisan Electrics fella said he quoted £30k to rewire an average sized house, but the customer went with someone who quotes £10k instead.
Yes I caught that and thought it was extortionate. I realise that he had to go and rectify a couple of things the other company had done but even so. Still saved 20k.
30k for an average house rewire!!? Who in their right mind pays that??
@@neilsimmonds1162 Londoners 😂
Hey Nick, based on what you said, my price came out to £18,212p including VAT. Like you said, value and worth are an important thing to take into account.
_Because you're worth it_
@@TheMattSturgeon as are you dude!
London. I'm not a spark, but based on how I've seen the large jobs that I've had done priced I would expect it to be in the £14k-£15k + VAT range for that (I cam e up with £14,160 plus uplift for non-standard items - nickle sockets/faceplates, up/down lights/doorbell/led tiles/EV ultra.) Plus the board+RCBOs/etc. (don't have a feel for how much that is)
Catching up on your old vids Nick and I had this one in at around 12-13k not VAT registered and that’s in Glasgow. Good to see where everybody else is with pricing and thanks for sharing
Roughly £12.2K Excl VAT. Nottinghamshire.
Keep up the good work 👌
I’m based in north west Leicestershire and not VAT registered, I’d be at least £15k for a job that size.
I think your price is quite competitive.
The going rate down here (sussex) for down lights per point is £70, that's the best part of £4.5k for the 60 they want. Take into account the double stack board, rcbo's and everything else they want yeah I'd expect that to be around £16k INC VAT around sussex too. It's a good 10 days work for 2 guys in an occupied rewire of that size.
Domestic Customers generally vastly under estimate the cost of a rewire and forget that it's expected to last a minimum of 25 years, that works out to around £640/year.
On average you're supposed to budget 3% of a properties value per year for maintenance (no one ever does) I'd bet it comes in well under that.
Unfortunately people have become comfortable borrowing the maximum amount and usually over stretching when it comes to actually being able to afford the day to day running of a property.
£16.5k + vat, no ducting included, no decor/repairs included. 10k deposit needed before the works start. Around oxfordshire.
Great content, it’s good to read the comments from around the country with prices👌
Well unsurprisingly I came out the cheapest at approx. 11K (not vat registered and now a sole trader) But I do believe your price is spot on !
reasons why I'm cheaper
27 years in the job & lower overheads
100% agree with your pricing because I estimated a quote of £15k so your quote I believe is correct and fair for the amount of labour involved
They need to change sockets and switches to white plastic. Much cheaper. Metal could be fitted anytime
£5-10k for a rewire depending on size of the house. Then another roughly £5k for fixtures and fittings depending on quality. £15k is probably on the expensive side but not unreasonable at all.
Cambridge spark and I would have definitely priced that higher, very fair price there Nick. Customers seem to think that after the material cost what’s left is your wages 🤦♂️ you are providing a service, giving a warranty and running a business, when I am accused of being too expensive I just politely say that I cannot compete with there lower quote and mine still stands if you would like to proceed with it, very very often they regret going with the cheapest in the end.
Not a sparks but loved this... Jordan would have quoted that just to do the quote 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good to see you won the job! I'd of priced the job a tad more (ie £17-18K VAT inclusive). The only changes I'd of made to your quote were:
10mm instead of 6mm for the electric shower
Include a small 6U rack (wall mounted) for the switch & patch panel.
You're an electrician, you answered your own question
Hi Nick, I’m purely an industrial spark nowadays, fancied seeing how out of touch I was with pricing, Im in Bexhill got to £15,400. Love to videos keep it up mate
Are you David Earls son Rob ? Do you work on water jobs alot?
Hi Nick, love your videos, I priced it up very roughly using Tradify in Northampton, I'm not VAT registered and I was around £13,000
And I don't give a customer a discount if I can film at their house!
People think TH-cam is easy, if it's so easy then why don't they do it, it takes up way too much of my time that I'm hardly getting paid for.
This video has aolso taught me that I may need to increase my prices!
Pretty spot on, It’s hard not knowing the property. However 15+vat sounds about right for that job.
Great job sir, from here in Texas! Love watching the videos, really interesting to learn things across the pond! 🤠👍
I was up to 16K and I'm not even an electrician......I'm a vehicle tech does that count? 😂
Absolutely 🙌
Over the years, as i have tried to become better and better at DIY and get into woodworking, my appreciation of tradesmen has increased. When someone has very little knowledge how to do things, they assume its easy and only takes half an hour to do those little jobs. I couldnt have been more wrong. I love doing DIY and woodworking, but there is no doubt, doing something right takes a huge amount of time and effort.
By the way i priced those materials and got €3,787 (incl VAT)
No idea what labour to price for that but I'd imagine prob 5 or 6 weeks for 2 electricians is about right. Its a huge amount of work. So your price seems bang on to me?
Before I even watch, no. £200-ish a day is normal. Plus materials. Plus certificate. Plus the skill to not squander all the materials. Things build up exponentially so what you can grasp as "a few things" ends up deceptively "fewer" so it "looks" expensive. Always.
I came in at £15,200 + vat. So you're not far off the mark. never ceases to amaze me how even on small 1 bed flat rewires.....people seem to think it's gonna cost them £1000max and think your having a laugh when you quote them higher.....people just don't understand the prices of materials.
I’m not a ‘leccie but it’s a very informative video, and that includes the comments, now if I could only get a full rewire for £300, free teas all day and hot pork pies. That includes a premium for me ‘helping’ and a cat scan every time you walk past her though!
Manchester, £13,000 all day long.
Good to see how other sparks do their pricing. We charge £50 per point no matter what the point, socket, switch, spot then + materials on top.
Great vid, Nick. ❤
Based on my industrial sparky rate over in the Leicestershire, I have that at just under £14k, not VAT registered.
I'm not a sparky but I enjoy watching your videos. With everything the customer wanted it sounded expensive from the start. It seemed like they were hoping for a huge mate's rate quote.
I had 15k in my head by the end of the list so that seems spot on if not slightly too cheap
I live in Scotland btw :P
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I did a similar video a few weeks ago over on my channel mate, different price point but same thing….. customers just don’t get it sometimes
I watched it mate, video did good numbers too 🙌 it’s a tough one as they want all the good stuff but don’t really know how much products cost or how much work goes into it all
scrolling around most of us seem to be within 1 or 2 k of each other, that's encouraging
I’d pay no more than £600 if that was my house 👍
Hi nick I am a electrician in and around derby and that is bang on the Mark around this area and your area unless a none electrician does it than it would cost around £4.000 lol if you do a good job than like you said you know what you're worth
No idea on the pricing side. I only watched for the bird in the thumbnail 😂
That's a good price IMO. Here in SE London we would've been around £17K + vat. There will be definite extras as well, AV, RING, Alarms, CCTV, network cables or access points. Another solution for the client when there's loads of downlights is to off set some against some recessed / plaster-in LED profile and strip, sometimes works out cheaper, looks much more modern and the ceiling doesn't look like a runway.
Nick don’t for get the triple pole fan isolators 😂
Didn't write it down but have been looking at alot of the bits for my own place, I had around £16,000 in my head that 1) I would charge and 2) what I'd expect to pay someone for the amount of work. Seen pretty much all your videos and know the quality of work you put in. I'm in Peterborough
16k if you’re in Ortan Wistow or your van on bricks just down the road in Goldhay 😂😂 , I’m in North Bretton 🤙🏼
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257 Points approx... 4-5 Weeks worth of work... 1 Van.. 1 Office... 2 Apprentices... ? Headaches, customer alterations/ apprentice days off / etc... £18,000 -22,000
EICR - £ 195
New 17 way CU - £ 350
Fitting CU in new location £ 400 labour
Downlights £ 75 ea
cant get near thousands, maybe cable is gold
Thats quite a bit better than some " online stars " charging 30k...
I was £12500 plus the vat.. so very close to each other
I came in around £18750. One man band so looking at 3-4 weeks depending on how clear house is, Not VAT registered, in Bolton (North West)
I’ve been watching you for a few years now and it’s just clicked to me who you remind me of your Brooklyn Beckhams double
Following, stick to your guns , fair pricing , people seem to underestimate how much stuff and time costs these day .
I roughly priced it at £14.5k exc bay, I’m in South Wales, I think you’ve given a fair price…😁👍
£12,440+ VAT. Add an extra £1k to that if other trades are on site as they always cost me time and money (you know plasterers plastering over stuff, plumbers using the holes you cut out for your cables for PEX pipe, or hanging about waiting for them as they think their time is more important than mine). Location East Midlands.
Electric shower feed should be in 10mm sounds like the property is big so could be too big of a run for 6mm depends on what load the shower is most are around 8.7kw
10mm cable causes far more hazards than the nonsense around overload on a 6mm will ever be the case
The amount of customers who just don’t realise the price of things and don’t understand why we charge so much labour is quite high. I work externally on all hard landscaping (brickwork,groundwork, fencing,paving ect) the problem is in that specific trade there are a lot of bad actors who basically are 20-30% cheaper but will never do a proper job. I’ve given up trying to be competitive my price is my price.
Hi. I'm a sole trader in Shropshire. I got £16.5K , I'm not vat registered. So similar ball park. It annoys me when people ask for such a crazily high spec and then suddenly it's over budget. If they didn't light it up like a Christmas tree and had less flashy face plates they could save a lot!
edited to add the cost of the bits
Having recently done some rewiring and added up the cost of stuff, for only 5 rooms and the hall (so no loft or kitchen or extension because that's coming next week) I used 21 double sockets, 1 single socket, 3 single light switches, 4 double light switches, 42 spots, 3 smoke and 1 heat alarm (not fitted yet because kitchen extension) and used a total of 410m of cable in various forms
not including the 3 ethernet points because i bought a 100m spool and have no way of knowing what i used or what i didn't
And I also noticed that, as it took from April to December to finish up, the prices of things were going up every time I bought them by a few quid
When I get the spreadsheet out for the costs I'll edit this to add the final figure
But I was shocked at how much things started to add up
Shocked I tell you 😯
so i spent £1,874.66 over all on the above
out of which £1,288.27 was on the electrical bits and bobs with the rest being the tools and stuff i needed to buy as and when
i used 200m of 2.5 (sockets)
150m of 1.5 (lights)
and 60m of 3 core (fire and two way switching)
so either that house is much smaller or you have a way to stretch that cable out 🤣
i must also add that the spark who is doing the extension has quoted for all the wiring and CU fitting price if i supply all the bits and it's all been rolled into the overall quote for the entire extension so no breakdown on prices there otherwise i would have included that too
previous quotes were ALL £60 per point to supply and fit basic plastic white switches and one ceiling rose per
i'm in west london so i know the rewire on my cousins 4 bed, 4 floor townhouse was the other side of £30k so i think i saved a few quid by making some holes i the walls myself (supervised by the spark as he was passing throughover the months before folks get all keyboard warrior on me)
FYI network cable normally has every metre marked numerically on the sheath so you can tell EXACTLY how much you've used.
@@RAdcock-rs7nx not this one, 105m drum with a twist about 18m into it for my 25m run 🤨
£17,500 inc vat Bedfordshire
5k for all the bits, 1k for the labour using only apprentices to fit. Cash only.
I’m a bit out of touch with pricing as the only house rewires I’ve done lately are on my own properties all gutted and refurbished or for relatives as such I only think of it in terms of material my time doesn’t count. But your price is reasonable especially considering how material prices have gone up.
I wouldn't look at less than 20 to maybe 25k for that. Standard 3 bed house in South London is normally 8k and that doesn't include anything extravagant. Also, I don't use 6mm for showers and hobs etc. Everything is 10mm as the limits on 6mm for a 11kw shower and some of the big induction hobs makes it not worth it. I don't do rings and I won't connect outside sockets to internal circuits. they get their own feeds as do outside lights. Nothing outside that could get wet and trip a breaker should ever turn off something in the house in my eyes. That is just how I look at things, I am lucky to work in affluent areas with customers that know me by reputation and recommendation. I like to think of myself like the Stella advert 'Reassuringly Expensive' 😂
Sparky from Aberdeen here. I had a smidge under 15k. Its a fair quote. Good tradesmen aren't cheap and cheap tradesmen aren't good.
I priced at around 30K LOL, Aussie dollars, so around 17K inclusive
If they don’t like the price then they need to come down on the spec.
White plastic accessories are perfectly adequate.
If they want poncey they must pay poncey.
Too many cheap’o around that don’t appreciate you. I turn jobs down after the initial hand shake if I get a bad vibe 🤷🏽♂️! Pick and choose if you have the luxury to do so and that’s when you know your worth. Keep up the great work man 🤙🏽🔥
Not an electrician but sounds fair and you can easily explain how you got to the price. The only thing that struck me was how few smoke alarms there were. That may be the minimum but if that house is anywhere near as big as I assume it is I’d want one in every room. I’d cut the black nickel (finger prints galore from kids) and buy more smokes and a fire extinguisher or several.
i was at about 16500 2 lads, high quality work, in the north east
Your price including VAT should not have been exactly 20% higher. The materials will cost the same whether you pay the vat when you buy them from the wholesaler (if you're not VAT registered), or when you add the VAT on your invoice to the customer (if you are VAT registered). Only the labour part should cost 20% more.
Great Video from a guy with a professional approach!
As a retired property developer, I like to keep up to date, re. costings etc. I think your price was very fair, rewires are very labour intensive, strip-out of old cabling and installation of new cable runs, very easy to under-estimate. From experience, high quality white switches/sockets don't date!!
It’s always difficult when its someone you know! But i would not do for less than £15K its a lot of work. I’m based down in the south east and give most customers fixed day rate with materials on top. That way they know where they stand. I have done this for 30 years and its works well. Especially with material costs being so volatile. At least there still sees to be plenty of work out there. 👍
13:28 Well in hungary that IS a year's wages lol. A decent one at that.
But that aside what I hate the most is the mentality of workers and owners when the mason and the carpenter leaves by saying "Job's done, it's a house" because it has 4 walls and a bloody roof while a good half of the costs are just coming up
I renovate properties and when you were going through it I was thinking to myself that’s a big house. It sounded like there were a lot of extras in there where the home owner hasn’t realised that it will add up so scaling it back is a good thing to do. 56 spots and 3 extractors. I just thought how big is this place.
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Just as a homeowner, I look at the amount of fixtures there and the fact they are going for premium finish, I know that cable is expensive (all that copper!) Without looking t]at anyone else's comment I'd be bracing myself for region of 15K, with the expectation I may be a fair bit out.
I understand tradesmen have to price in the time quoting for jobs they won't get, and their time to manage accounts etc. Running of vehicles, tools etc.
To be honest I think the VAT is the main thing here, minus the VAT I think your bang on, I think the extra 20% can just push into being expensive.
Just doesn’t benefit domestic customers most of the time.
Some customers just don't realise how much work gose in to seeing that finished socket or lights in ceilings it's not done with a magic wond move furniture lift floor run cable wraggel in socket complete install reinstate the room only for the customers to bulk at the cost & say its only a socket !! Wtf? Thay haven't seen the work as it's all neatly run under the floor etc 🤯
I'm in South Wales, I came in just under £13k , sole trader, not vat registered.
I've got 15,800 plus VAT also includes 10mm feed for shower.
Thanks for the insight. Are you moving away from fusebox to verso? I like that fusebox is cheap and in stock but have had a few issues with rcbos recently. What's your go to supplier for verso? No one local seems to stock them.
Mainly watching as I'm interested but had £15k in mind with that spec. Not in the same trade as you (any more) but finding the same problem with customers wanting something bespoke but not wanting to pay what it's worth.
watching for the outcome 😁
£500 and a Curly Wurly
Personally id quote a little higher and have a labourer helping chase out and run cable, thats a big job for one person
13:34 wearing headphones, thanks for the weird left hand side only creepy laugh 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 sorry
Thats a fair price, the amount of accessories is the same as rewiring like 3 properties apart from the consumer unit, but if you think of it from that point of view then £15k-£18k inc VAT.. If your Artisan Electrics thats a £60k-£80k.. I think after that job you are going to have another video saying I under charged for this work.. If its an empty property and built in say the 60s to 80's with floorboards, good accessibility etc then big difference to an old stone property... Its a lot of money but you have to be allowing £5k for materials and thats a months work potentially depending how it goes..
Great insight to pricing, I’d like to know how long you think this will take? 👍🏻
I once had a Private customer Whom almost divorced his wife over the amount of Spotlight's she required in her Dressing room... Planning is key People. Do the arguing in your own time Please! Save you a Sh*t load of money in the long run!