20 point underdog against a division rival, who they defeated earlier in the season. Shows you how far this team has fallen. Going to be a lot of players not coming back.
@GRASSNBASS This should also be Myles last game. The Browns need to blow this up and Trade Garrett for picks All that's going to happen is that they're going to kick this down the road 1 year. Next year Garrett will be pissed that things are still bad and his value will tank because the league will know he wants out. Stefanski and Berry will be fired because honest, WTF has Berry done during his time and Stefanski is an overrated head coach. It'll be even worse if they draft a QB high this year only to blow it up next year. But, corvette corvette!!!
@@SecondWindStories so... I have a question for you. If the Browns draft OL (hopefully a LT) and draft one of the young QB's and they're in the playoff hunt next year, what then? Wouldn't that then solidify the fact that the coaching staff wasn't the problem, but the QB was?
@@LoneWolfSparty In my opinion right now the QB and some other players are the problem. The coaches get the blame all the time when most of the time it is the tools that the front office gives them.
Why does chad O’Shea and Callie Brownson get no mention of being fired? There has been no development in our wide receivers while being coached by them! They both should be fired!
TBF they did get something out of DPJ, and Jeudy is the only major talent they've had and he might break the Browns receptions record in his first year with the team. Also Cooper had great production. The draft picks not really but those guys were all mid rounders. I give them a pass on that.
i can believe that. same why they let baker play with a bum shoulder, so he could get support to get rid of him. if baker sat, the fan base wouldnt have been so vocal because he would have been injured and in the playoffs the year prior. man has know it all written all over him.
I just can’t wait until Cleveland has the 1st overall pick, and AB and Depodesta decide to trade out and acquire more picks. Because their strategies have worked soooooo well. God I hate this front office so much
That's what I'm saying. QB is the only thing that matters and these guys have been punting the position for a decade because they cant eval or develop and then sold the farm for one and never thought what if he cant adapt to our offensive scheme, or loses some ability. I get them taking a risk, but I'd say they have their fair share of misses. 1 free agent signing in 5 years that actually did anything. Of all the trades they made, Cooper and Jeudy worked out.
@@DK-BayBay They adapted the scheme to the way he plays. That is also how they chose backup QBs. I'm sorry but you never take the risk of trading 3 first round picks and other picks for a player who refused to play the last year, has over 20 lawsuits for sexual assaults and is going to be suspended by the league. That is not taking a chance, that is making very poor business decisions.
Now let’s bring in Rob Chudzinski & Justin Fields. Draft Travis Hunter with two overall pick. Bring Jason Peters as a player to help mold our young OT.
@@randyschlupp4405 if they were smart they'd also try and get the LT from LSU and make a commitment to running the football to make a rookie QB's life easier like Denver did with Bo Nix. Solid defense + running game + timely passing game has ALWAYS been a formula for success in the NFL.
It’s not the coaching it’s the players when they make as much money as they make they don’t give a shit about winning. It’s all about your paycheck. The coaches don’t get as much money as they get you guys out there that can’t even spell Football need to keep your mouth shut
DG isnt up there because of his 3/27 or whatever it was against boston to go 16-0 i think... that was on national tv so he probably lost quite a bit of the fan vote because of that one games performance. its sad that its probably that, but i feel it is
I think Myles cares about the draft picks. I bet there are a couple of other players that care about the draft picks but they would also like to beat Baltimore.
Rivalry games -anything can happen yet Browns are a "lock" to lose? I don't necessarily disagree that the Browns will lose but and that the chance is extremely high but can't call it a lock
its the only thing that makes sense to me. they let vrabel out early with hopes he lands a job before they get fired because he's arguably a top 3 name out there and now knows the players. i dont see the point of keeping around guys you will end up firing the next year anyways.
Even if the Browns get the #1 pick they won't be selecting before 3rd anyhow. I actually expect them to trade back with the Raiders (8th overall pick at the of posting). The Raiders need a QB and are just desperate enough to trade-up. Not to say that the Browns don't need a QB, they just don't need what is being offered in this draft class. I'd rather get a stud DE, O-line depth and some LB help.
They trade down that far they'll be getting a tackle, still be garbage, and fired next year. i dont see how stock piling picks for the next gm helps keep their jobs.
@@DK-BayBay They get fired next year regardless, the hole they dug is much too deep. They will be 6 drafts removed from Dorsey (which is the aging core of the team Myles, Ward, Chubb, Njoku etc.) In 2 years Dorsey drafted 5 pro-bowlers with 17 combined appearances. Berry, 5 drafts with one pro-bowler (JOK) with one appearance. Maybe Kevin is a good coach but this AB he will never shine.
If it’s 52-0, I’m 99.9% sure Haslam will backtrack on his words and will clean house if that’s how the final game goes 😆 Though there is that 0.01% he’s too distracted with his fight with the city about the stupid stadium that everyone keeps their jobs 😆
They don't play hard for Stefanski and no one respects Dorsey. Let's be real, a better HC and OC could have at least mustered 6 wins with this roster. They've got to go
My thing is does anyone believe in this staff to draft and develop a qb? Or trade down and be competitive in 25? Lets say they are, do you trust them to find their fqb in 26? Will they even be bad enough to be in a top 3 position next year? If your answer is "no"" to these questions then why the hell are we hanging on to this FO and Staff? They've lost something like 18 games if you count preseason in the last calendar year. Lets say Flacco doesnt get the call and they dont go on a miracle run vs bad football teams you're something like 3-25 during that span. And dont say good coaching, they beat the Jags, Bears, Texans with Keenum, Jets with Seiman. How does that inspire confidence in direction of the team. They've had 3 losing years in 4 with the leagues highest payroll. Idk about you but that doesnt exactly scream, give them more time. I'm not sure Ben Johnson would take this job, but idk how they let Vrabel walk out the door.
I don't know why Stefanski should be on the hot seat. What is he supposed to do with all the injuries and having to play Watson? He has one of the toughest jobs in the NFL and I don't see anybody that is better than stefanski to do the job. Vrabel is not better than Stefanski. The team will be worse with Vrabel.
It is stupid trading back for the hopes that Arch Manning will come out next year. First off, he wasn't even good enough to beat Quin Ewers so you don't know how good he will even be in college football next season, and if he has a mediocre college season, he will most certainly stay an extra year in Texas to improve his game. Secondly, you don't know who will end up with the top spot in 2026, the Browns coaches will be coaching for their jobs in 2025, so it is unlikely that they will be in the same spot as this year. Thirdly, we saw what happened in 2016 when the Browns trading back, they end up getting Corey Coleman who did not even last in the NFL for very long. I say stay at #3 and pick a quarterback, there is no shortcuts to getting better, it starts at the quarterback. If necessary, the Browns Front Office should bring in an outside consultant to help them evaluate who is the best quarterback in the draft and help them pick the right one. My biggest concern is that I don't think Kevin Stafanski is good at developing quarterbacks, so the Browns need to hire a good quarterback coach to develop the quarterback that they pick in the first round.
Everything you said is true. which is why my mindset is why are we even keeping these guys around, if they're in this position next year they're all fired, if not they wont be able to pick their qb. constant mediocrity. its the strat the org has done since 99, hoping for an elway type prospect. the best qbs in the nfl werent even drafting #1 or considered generational. i dont trust this staff to develop so if they're keeping them around they better exhaust all options to have success for the qb. any other position they pick is a waste. idc if its a garrett level player, they will still be bad. they have the dpoy on the team and have 3 wins. also what you said with arch, is exactly what they did in 2017 with eyes for sam darnold and then they didnt even draft him.
We should listen to Jay , since he has many years, coaching, playing and being hands on with football film study and analysis???? Oh he is paid to have opinions.. got it… Keep Bubba until you figure out what he should be doing vs he sucks…
20 point underdog against a division rival, who they defeated earlier in the season. Shows you how far this team has fallen. Going to be a lot of players not coming back.
They have fallen due to no QB and many injuries.
This should be the coaching staff and front office last game.
Thanks to Myles comments they are coming back
@GRASSNBASS This should also be Myles last game. The Browns need to blow this up and Trade Garrett for picks All that's going to happen is that they're going to kick this down the road 1 year. Next year Garrett will be pissed that things are still bad and his value will tank because the league will know he wants out. Stefanski and Berry will be fired because honest, WTF has Berry done during his time and Stefanski is an overrated head coach. It'll be even worse if they draft a QB high this year only to blow it up next year. But, corvette corvette!!!
@@SecondWindStories so... I have a question for you. If the Browns draft OL (hopefully a LT) and draft one of the young QB's and they're in the playoff hunt next year, what then? Wouldn't that then solidify the fact that the coaching staff wasn't the problem, but the QB was?
So who do they hire?
@@LoneWolfSparty In my opinion right now the QB and some other players are the problem. The coaches get the blame all the time when most of the time it is the tools that the front office gives them.
Should be everyone’s last game
So you want to blow it up and make Garrett leave and be content being horrible for the next 3+ years?
@@LoneWolfSparty I believe Myles comments saved KS AB jobs this year
@ can’t win with him! He can’t just leave he has to be traded so get your picks and move on
@@austinphillips9966 not trading Myles anymore he got what he wanted AB Stefanski are here to stay
@@GRASSNBASS can’t win with those guys either more losing seasons than winning
Stefanski is not a good coach guys....losing record, zero playoff wins, his teams consistently underperform!
The best player to draft is a long snapper and a right guard for punting formation
YESSS
Why does chad O’Shea and Callie Brownson get no mention of being fired? There has been no development in our wide receivers while being coached by them! They both should be fired!
TBF they did get something out of DPJ, and Jeudy is the only major talent they've had and he might break the Browns receptions record in his first year with the team. Also Cooper had great production. The draft picks not really but those guys were all mid rounders. I give them a pass on that.
Other than Jeudy what WRs do they have that can be developed? None.
@@DK-BayBay Cooper was pretty good for a couple of years. Then we found out why Dallas was okay with letting him go for nothing.
probably. stefanski gave over play calling to dorsey so he could throw him under the bus.
Exactly just like AVP
i can believe that. same why they let baker play with a bum shoulder, so he could get support to get rid of him. if baker sat, the fan base wouldnt have been so vocal because he would have been injured and in the playoffs the year prior. man has know it all written all over him.
Like the format of today’s episode. Reminds me of the old espn show The Sports Reporters.
I just can’t wait until Cleveland has the 1st overall pick, and AB and Depodesta decide to trade out and acquire more picks.
Because their strategies have worked soooooo well.
God I hate this front office so much
That's what I'm saying. QB is the only thing that matters and these guys have been punting the position for a decade because they cant eval or develop and then sold the farm for one and never thought what if he cant adapt to our offensive scheme, or loses some ability. I get them taking a risk, but I'd say they have their fair share of misses. 1 free agent signing in 5 years that actually did anything. Of all the trades they made, Cooper and Jeudy worked out.
I'll be happy if they pick the best player available no matter what position. Drafting by position often brings second rate players.
@@DK-BayBay They adapted the scheme to the way he plays. That is also how they chose backup QBs. I'm sorry but you never take the risk of trading 3 first round picks and other picks for a player who refused to play the last year, has over 20 lawsuits for sexual assaults and is going to be suspended by the league. That is not taking a chance, that is making very poor business decisions.
Still remember keep your money and build your family's future and don't soend anything on Brown's monor leage team
Do you mean I shouldn't have bought the Browns shirt I bought my wife for Christmas that she absolutely loves? Use some common sense.
Now let’s bring in Rob Chudzinski & Justin Fields. Draft Travis Hunter with two overall pick. Bring Jason Peters as a player to help mold our young OT.
Good call Mike
😂😂if Cleveland has the chance to pick Arch Manning in 26 he'll pull an Eli on this dumpster fire and end up playing elsewhere
They better stay in the top 3 and pick one of the top 2 QB's.
@LoneWolfSparty exactly better go get your QB NOW 👍
@@randyschlupp4405 if they were smart they'd also try and get the LT from LSU and make a commitment to running the football to make a rookie QB's life easier like Denver did with Bo Nix. Solid defense + running game + timely passing game has ALWAYS been a formula for success in the NFL.
That kid wont be coming out until 27 at the earliest. He's a red shirt freshman getting paid huge NIL money. His family requires you stay 4 years.
@@LoneWolfSparty I agree. I doubt they're in this position next year, and if they are they're all fired.
It’s not the coaching it’s the players when they make as much money as they make they don’t give a shit about winning. It’s all about your paycheck. The coaches don’t get as much money as they get you guys out there that can’t even spell Football need to keep your mouth shut
DG isnt up there because of his 3/27 or whatever it was against boston to go 16-0 i think... that was on national tv so he probably lost quite a bit of the fan vote because of that one games performance. its sad that its probably that, but i feel it is
I think Myles cares about the draft picks. I bet there are a couple of other players that care about the draft picks but they would also like to beat Baltimore.
I don’t know if the Browns are done with Watson they should be but what are they going to do with him?
Yes should have been done long gone
One can only hope. Our special teams have sucks ever since his arrival. Far as dorsey his style is better suited somewhere else
Rivalry games -anything can happen yet Browns are a "lock" to lose? I don't necessarily disagree that the Browns will lose but and that the chance is extremely high but can't call it a lock
Good, Mikey McNuggets is in the house today.
It's everyone's last game...they are cleaning house from Berry on down...
its the only thing that makes sense to me. they let vrabel out early with hopes he lands a job before they get fired because he's arguably a top 3 name out there and now knows the players. i dont see the point of keeping around guys you will end up firing the next year anyways.
I hope you are correct!!!
Even if the Browns get the #1 pick they won't be selecting before 3rd anyhow. I actually expect them to trade back with the Raiders (8th overall pick at the of posting). The Raiders need a QB and are just desperate enough to trade-up. Not to say that the Browns don't need a QB, they just don't need what is being offered in this draft class. I'd rather get a stud DE, O-line depth and some LB help.
They trade down that far they'll be getting a tackle, still be garbage, and fired next year. i dont see how stock piling picks for the next gm helps keep their jobs.
@@DK-BayBay They get fired next year regardless, the hole they dug is much too deep. They will be 6 drafts removed from Dorsey (which is the aging core of the team Myles, Ward, Chubb, Njoku etc.) In 2 years Dorsey drafted 5 pro-bowlers with 17 combined appearances. Berry, 5 drafts with one pro-bowler (JOK) with one appearance. Maybe Kevin is a good coach but this AB he will never shine.
Dorsey is a no brainer. Ventrone has goot on away with it for too long.
Yes
If it’s 52-0, I’m 99.9% sure Haslam will backtrack on his words and will clean house if that’s how the final game goes 😆 Though there is that 0.01% he’s too distracted with his fight with the city about the stupid stadium that everyone keeps their jobs 😆
Just plant a Remax sign in the front yard!
I hate that I agree with Bull….
Bull iron your shirt! 😂😂😂
Baba and Dorsey will be gone I think. I think they should keep Jim Swartz but you never know
So much anger and sadness in the comments on this channel.....
They don't play hard for Stefanski and no one respects Dorsey. Let's be real, a better HC and OC could have at least mustered 6 wins with this roster. They've got to go
Browns may win 4-0 on two safeties or 8-0 on four safeties
Draft Will Howard.....he has the NFL QB toolkit already.....size, IQ, arm, play action....built for AFC North football.
My thing is does anyone believe in this staff to draft and develop a qb? Or trade down and be competitive in 25? Lets say they are, do you trust them to find their fqb in 26? Will they even be bad enough to be in a top 3 position next year? If your answer is "no"" to these questions then why the hell are we hanging on to this FO and Staff? They've lost something like 18 games if you count preseason in the last calendar year. Lets say Flacco doesnt get the call and they dont go on a miracle run vs bad football teams you're something like 3-25 during that span. And dont say good coaching, they beat the Jags, Bears, Texans with Keenum, Jets with Seiman. How does that inspire confidence in direction of the team. They've had 3 losing years in 4 with the leagues highest payroll. Idk about you but that doesnt exactly scream, give them more time. I'm not sure Ben Johnson would take this job, but idk how they let Vrabel walk out the door.
I don't know why Stefanski should be on the hot seat. What is he supposed to do with all the injuries and having to play Watson? He has one of the toughest jobs in the NFL and I don't see anybody that is better than stefanski to do the job. Vrabel is not better than Stefanski. The team will be worse with Vrabel.
Preventski Bro syndrome delusion here. Better get help.
outside of Swartz this is the worst coaching staff in all of football and i am even talking about pee wee leagues
It is stupid trading back for the hopes that Arch Manning will come out next year. First off, he wasn't even good enough to beat Quin Ewers so you don't know how good he will even be in college football next season, and if he has a mediocre college season, he will most certainly stay an extra year in Texas to improve his game. Secondly, you don't know who will end up with the top spot in 2026, the Browns coaches will be coaching for their jobs in 2025, so it is unlikely that they will be in the same spot as this year. Thirdly, we saw what happened in 2016 when the Browns trading back, they end up getting Corey Coleman who did not even last in the NFL for very long. I say stay at #3 and pick a quarterback, there is no shortcuts to getting better, it starts at the quarterback. If necessary, the Browns Front Office should bring in an outside consultant to help them evaluate who is the best quarterback in the draft and help them pick the right one. My biggest concern is that I don't think Kevin Stafanski is good at developing quarterbacks, so the Browns need to hire a good quarterback coach to develop the quarterback that they pick in the first round.
Everything you said is true. which is why my mindset is why are we even keeping these guys around, if they're in this position next year they're all fired, if not they wont be able to pick their qb. constant mediocrity. its the strat the org has done since 99, hoping for an elway type prospect. the best qbs in the nfl werent even drafting #1 or considered generational. i dont trust this staff to develop so if they're keeping them around they better exhaust all options to have success for the qb. any other position they pick is a waste. idc if its a garrett level player, they will still be bad. they have the dpoy on the team and have 3 wins. also what you said with arch, is exactly what they did in 2017 with eyes for sam darnold and then they didnt even draft him.
Just draft Travis Hunter
@@Chet_24 draft Travis Hunter and leave the QBs on the board if they're there when they pick? You must want everyone to get fired 😂
We should listen to Jay , since he has many years, coaching, playing and being hands on with football film study and analysis???? Oh he is paid to have opinions.. got it… Keep Bubba until you figure out what he should be doing vs he sucks…
Too little too late
Watson must go.... he is one of the worst quarterbacks ive ever seen
The browns will win 1-0
Jameis beat Baltimore shouldn’t he be playing?He’s obviously are best option he’s already done it.
Browns need to lose. Nobody cares about a worthless W. They've been on the tank train for weeks now. Nobody realized it until recently.