I’ve slipped a C-5 (660,000 lbs) on a tactical approach into a special ops field first night of Gulf War II. It was a better option than going around. Works great.
Never underestimate the willingness of a military pilot to just go for it, if mission must be met. Or if they want to fly a helo under the jungle canopy because they, "don't think troops should have to walk so much." Of course, those were Kiwi pilots and they are certifiably crazy.
@@FamilyManMoving Only Mild Maneuvering Pilots suck on forward slips. Military are Hard Maneuvering Pilots. No fannies allowed there. Vietnam Era Pilot. MAGA
Joe what Mike cover do you use on your headset and what kind of connections do you use to you re wording device ? iPhone recording ? Go pro ? Thanks nice videos!
Many years ago, as a solo student pilot of 18 hours, I experienced an engine failure. Had it not been for my instructor giving me tuition on side slipping, I would have damaged the aircraft and my ego. The event is still clear in my mind 55 years later.
I use a tighter pattern on the premise, that when the engine does quit, I’ll be plenty close enough to land on a smooth runway…it requires slipping on every approach, so much so that I find a normal powered approach leaves me a little squeamish especially with obstacles like trees and power lines just 20’-50’ below my gear!
When I was a 5 hour student, my instructor showed me how to slip - cool I thought. A few howlers later I screwed up and turned base right over the end of the runway. “What are you going to do now?!”my instructor yelled at me (he was not a nice man). I looked at him and said, “Watch THIS!” I jammed my left foot down as I threw the control yoke right and we dropped like a rock, landing with plenty of runway to spare. I was SO proud of myself.
Very nice video and audio. I agree, slips are great techniques to know for engine outs, landing over high obstacles near the threshold, short runways, etc. Of course the warning is "airspeed, airspeed, airspeed" with eyes outside, then airspeed, then outside, then airspeed.... Having stall / spin training first is important, so one has the feel for an approaching stall. It's also good to know the feel when flaps are down (if allowed), and the tail stall / buffet; don't want surprises at a critical time. And one last, small item, it's good to know how long you can physically hold down the rudder pedals before your leg loses fine movements to the shakes.
About to solo. Was out with my instructor and hadn’t really done a slip yet so when I came in high I tried my first. Greased her (the cub) in, taxied off the runway, reset the trim and carb heat, and then changed my pants😂 it was fun but boy did it feel crazy. Finally got the hang of it. Loved this video keep up the great content!
LOVE this, Joe! After 350+ hours of Stearman flying, you get pretty comfortable with slips. Very important skill, IMO, regardless of airplane type (GA anyway)…but especially for taildraggers. I practice slips ALL th time and tell my students, “You never know when you’ll need one”…and regardless, they’re just so much darned fun! Case in point this week…I accompanied the new owner of my 7ECA from FL to OH. After some challenging flying due to lots of convective activity and trying to avoid cells, we’re approaching our interim destination in rural GA right before dark. Straight in approach to a grass strip because light is failing fast. Over the trees I realise the optical illusion has me 600’ higher than I thought (landing over 100’ pines!). Instant ADM needed…go around and try again, or maximum slip to land within the available 3000’. No brainer, no stress…slipped and landed within 1200 feet. Student was super impressed, hosts at the airpark thought I was just showing off. Whatever - it was a piece of cake because I’ve done so many. Routinely slip right down to the runway, as you demonstrate. Good, timely practice for me…I’m buying a Waco YMF-5, and like the Stearman, there is zero forward visibility. If you want to land that thing safely, your only option is a slip. Happy flying my friend…seems you really know how to have fun! My Stearman was based in Van Sant for many years, btw, and was George Taylor’s personal airplane in the 80s (his first restoration). Nice part of the world…except for January and February 🤣
Great story! I was on my Commercial Pilot check ride in a Cessna 182 with a check pilot who also owned the airplane. He pulled back the throttle and said "you just lost your engine, what are you gonna do?" He had put me right over a crop duster strip so I said "I'm landing right down there." I made my approach but was high even with full flaps so I put the 182 into a steep slip and it started sinking like the Titanic! I glanced over to the check pilot and he was white as a ghost and braced for impact. I crossed the threshold, went out of the slip and just as I was about to touch down he applied full power and told me to climb out. I wondered why he didn't take over if he was concerned but all he said was he didn't know you could slip a heavy 182 with full flaps! I passed the check ride. I had lots of tail dragger time so it was a no brainer as far as I was concerned.
01:52 "most Airbus pilots don't even realize airplane has a rudder" Lol, made my day! Edit: Highly valuable video and rear spot view source dazzled me! Invisible rod extending from tail wheel?
Fun and informative! I rarely land without slipping as my planes don't have flaps and there are obstructions at either end of the grass strip I fly from. As you say - they are useful but they're also a lot of fun.
Loved it thanks Joe. Beautifully captured and produced. Really appreciate all the effort you put in. I performed a couple of precautionary forced landings (practice engine out) with my CFI in the cub the other day. It was near impossible to land on target without the aid of slipping
Really enjoy your videos -- great aviation insights, great video work, and love the views of rural NJ. I fly a Cessna 180 -- the tail wheel techniques are cool to watch from the tail view. One comment on slips burned into me -- keep an eye on airspeed. Don't allow the nose to get high -- stalls at low altitude are tough. Keep 'em coming.
Yep. But you don’t need to over do it. One CFI had me slipping with full flaps at 95 knots in an Archer because “the air speed isn’t accurate in a slip”. I later took the same plane up to altitude and did a few full flaps slips while gradually pulling the nose up. At just under 55 knots I thought *maybe* I felt the high wing starting to drop a bit so I stopped the slip. Now I feel perfectly safe slipping it at 65-70 rather than 95.
Just came across this. Im a low hr pilot and think learning slipping early has saved me a lot of trouble at least once. In the middle of a very hot day in the mountains, stupid me looked at the sky and thought that it did not look _that_ windy. Well, it was. After ten minutes, I knew I was in over my head and turned back to the airfield. It was so gusty that while on downwind, my groundspeed was suddenly 26kts higher than my airspeed. I tried to compensate for the strong wind when turning final, but shortly after after turning, it dwindled away and I was high and fast. In these gusty conditions I did NOT want to go around unless I could help it. If a strong gust caught me at the wrong time in the pattern I could be in serious trouble. The sooner I could get down the betyer. Thankfully, I was flying a Cub, and slipping was one of the things I really enjoyed practicing, and had been doing a bit for fun. So down I went, and I got on the ground before the next gust. While I was putting the bird away in the hangar, the winds got quite a bit worse. It was definetely way beyond my skill! Very happy I could grab the lucky opportunity that offered itself! Learned a bit about hot days in the mountains, and the usefulness of slipping!
Great, great instructional video. Instrument overlays were excellent. My CFI (and flight school) taught and emphasized that slips (especially full on an app when your high), as you said several times, are an essential piloting skill. Thanks as always Joe!
I agree, slips are a very effective tool and a skill that should be mastered to increase pilot options/safety in a variety of situations. I plan to practice them when I get my flight training and teach them to my students once I am a cfi.
Maybe others have mentioned it, but it also improves the viz over the nose, especially helpful when landing off airport. For those of us who have planes with removable doors, we know the result is less effective slips, quite noticeable.
Used to love doing slips in my brother's Cub and his C-140. These days, now retired after 40 years on the flightline, I maintain a trio of planes for their owner: A 1986 Waco YMF-5, a 1947 Aeronca Chief, and a 1961 C-182 Razorback Skylane (that we installed a new O-470 into last year.) I'm now resuming my flight instruction as he's getting on a bit in years and we both would like to see him have a safety pilot. We operate off a lovely grass strip (Argyle, NY 1C3) and when I asked about slipping in with the 182 I was told that's not recommended with flaps deployed. He only ever uses 20 degrees of flaps as he prefers having the additional lift, as well as drag. Apparently the flaps reduce elevator effectiveness to the point Cessna advises not slipping with flaps deployed. I'm wondering, with me as safety co-pilot, whether we could slip down in, then I could deploy 20 degrees of flaps as we straighten out, or would that cause a ballooning effect? -Love your videos and am going to watch them all. You're a good stick and rudder man, and guys with that experience seem to be disappearing. Thanks for your continued efforts, here!
When I learned to fly a Citabria the instructor had to teach me how to slip. I had never done one in a 152 because it had flaps, and that instructor never showed me how to slip. That was in 1980. Years later I gently slipped a B727. It can be done. And if you think about it, you're almost slipping in an Airbus when you go to de crab during a strong crosswind landing. You're putting in L aileron for example, while kicking the right rudder. You're just doing it more gently and keeping the longitudinal axis of the jet pointed directly down the runway as opposed to flying it sideways. And of course, you need to be LOW enough that the normal law will allow you to do so. But, being able to slip well is a skill that can help you in all airplanes. For example, I've heard of guys on fire slipping to keep the smoke away from the windscreen so they can see the runway. Very nice vid. Jealous old man here wishing you well. I'd love to have access to a cub and a grass strip.
It was awesome. I would have flown it a lot longer had we not parked them. Some of the most rewarding flying I've ever done and the only plane I ever saw 400 knots indicated in. The ones with the light ZFW as I recall would really scoot. BOS-IAD 1999.@@Bananasssssssss
The slip Reminds me of an old ride that used to be at Kings Island called "Flying Eagles" where you were in a box with a sail type of wing in front that you could counter steer in or out of the wind to get it to slip in and out either closer or father from the ground. That ride was a blast
Doing most of my primary training in a 65hp Luscombe, slipping was a staple of the pattern. Way shorter approach, great way to drop altitude, but in a lot of airplanes, it gives a much better view of the touchdown point!
Great point! Especially in Stearmans & Pitts etc I flew my friends 85HP Luscombe and if it wasn’t for slipping I’d have no shot at not landing long and fast, lol
Man that is one of the sweetest videos I’ve seen!! Sick! I definitely have been under utilizing slips on my J3! Do you worry about getting to slow/uncoordinated? I think that is why I am maybe too shy slipping it… awesome video!! If you ever came to NC I would love to fly with you and get some tricks!!
Thank you! really appreciate that!. Whats nice about a slip is unlike a Skid which will rally bite yeah without any indication, a Slip will let ya know when you are getting too slow. you'll lose Elevator authority and feel a pretty good buffeting there.
Love your videos! They help me out a lot in my cub! What software and equipment do you use for the GPS data and how did you get your flight path overlayed on the map?
“Pitch for airspeed power for altitude” YES! Though really pitch and trim for AOA. Power technique works both back side and front side - it is not back side technique. Via spoilers, even gliders use it. The only ones not doing so either rob themselves of precision or have long spool-up times for engine response. Search Medium for “Improved Landings with AOA and Power Techniques” as well as the correlating case study “F-35C Crash into the South China Sea Case Study.” May also consider looking at the differences between ‘reverse command’ and “reverse demand” also in Medium searching “Back Side of the Power Curve vs Drag Curve.”
Great video! How did you get the view from the back of the aircraft? Drone? I owned a 1946 Cessna 120, no electrical system or flaps so had to slip it all the time. I also flew a friends 1938 J3 from western Okla to Oshkosh air show in 1978. No radios so had FAA waiver. Entered the downwind per instructions but had the J3 fire walled just trying to keep up with the other aircraft. Came over threshold too fast and high. Had to do a steep slip to get down and bleed off airspeed. When I touched down a guy next to the runway was frantically waving me off the runway into the grass. As I rolled off the runway a Ford Tri-Motor landed. He was on my tail the whole way down. Exciting times flying that J3.
Great videos as usual Joe! Thanks for sharing. If you had to choose a first plane for a beginner is a J3 a good choice or would recommend something newer? I dream of owning a 1940-1943 J3 or L4 but I often wonder if I would be better of with something like an ultralight to start.
Love slipping. Trim for 60, crank 'er over and let the air out. Great for clearing the 50' tree nearly on centerline not quite 700 feet from the numbers (25 at 9N1). Airnav says 17/1 glideslope, and 25 is a 5% uphill. Interesting challenge. It's flat unobstructed runways that unnerve me 😅!
I prefer the right rudder left aileron when slipping too. Doing it the other way feels so awkward for some reason. Love the videos. The comment about Airbus pilots not knowing there’s a rudder made me laugh.😂 Have you flown any other tailwheel airplanes?
@@Bananasssssssss Thats awesome. Vintage Biplanes are so freakin cool. Haven’t flown the Stearman yet but I plan to. Have you done/do you have any interest in aerobatics? Or is that “off limits” lol Looking forward to the next video. Great production quality. Golden hour is the best for it 👍🏻 Keep it up.
@@alexc5449 I do have an interest in it, but I don’t know if I’m ready for it yet, lol. I did get a ride in a T6 (Aeroshell team) and the aerobatics we did were AWESOME!!
“the runway behind you is not going to do you any good” generally true for takeoff though not so for landing. If you misjudge, or get hit by a gust, the runway aft of your intended point is your margin for safely landing short or low. There is reason glider pilots do not aim for the threshold.
What are your thoughts on IAS during a slip? I have a pitot and static port on the left side, and the delta between those pressures can get complicated (especially in a crosswind). I generally ignore the IAS and just fly by feel. Thoughts?
You said it! Ignore it! It’s pretty in accurate in a slip for a few reasons, the airframe blocking the relative wind and it hitting the pitot tube on an angle. Best advice is to get established on a nice and stable final approach speed then enter the slip. That’s also what I love about slips, the airplane will tell you when it’s getting close to a stall, in a Skid, there is no warning at all.
I always slip when landing. Well, except maybe a couple times per year to make sure I remember how to land the way most other pilots do. Frankly, I can't understand why every pilot doesn't slip during landing. First, getting into the habit of slip to land gets you into the habit of being [very] high during the landing process. Why is this good? Because most engine failures happen when engines are being manipulated == not running at constant speed like during cruise ... or mixture being tweaked ... or whatever. So if you're high ... because you are *ALWAYS* high during approach and in pattern if you always slip to land ... you can always reach the runway, even if your engine totally fails. Just slip it in as you always do. Every landing is an [ultra]-short field landing ... or practice for an [ultra]-short field landing. I'm a bush/backcountry pilot, so many places I land are only 100~250 feet long (sometimes on steep uphill). In the rare case I land at a "real airport" (with ATC/tower - yuk!) I like to come to a stop before the numbers. That's the numbers on the leading end of the runway! Hahahaha ... but not kidding. Frankly, if slips weren't second nature to me, I couldn't land at more than half the places I land in the boonies.
My A.C. may or may not have slipped the KC-135 on short final as a demo when I asked if the 135 could be slipped. I may or may not have been the Boom Operator on that flight and I may or may not have been nervous.
Yeah! Every student will try to ki*ll you! Ha. Stay vigilant and dont worry about being uncomfortable for the first month or two. Very natural to be hyper vigilant! Lol. It gets better with time and I tell people, “you don’t really learn how to fly, until you start Instructing “
Thank you! It’s a ‘41. And as far as GPS overlays. Here ya go! Quickly Adding GPS Overlays to your Flying Videos with GoPro and Insta360º Cameras. th-cam.com/video/GmvQNqLDkeQ/w-d-xo.html
Slightly daft question.. why do folks fly cubs from the rearmost seat? I was wondering if it relates to the rearwood CG helping keep the taildragger more stable?
I fly sailplanes. Not more than 16 solo flights. Slips are fun but freak me out because the airspeed indicator goes all wonky with the indirect airflow and becomes useless so I always worry I might be going too slow.
The one-eyed pilot of this TACA flight had to slip to get over a fence on final, landing it deadstick on a levee after losing both engines in a thunderstorm off New Orleans. They flew the airplane out after repairing the engines. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110
Amazing opening scene , great filming That morning weather was so beautiful, even I could feel it through my screen . Very nice tutorial with nice explanations. 😊
Folks, notice how Joe has the mic close to his lips but he isn’t constantly making those silly duck lips and smooching it? THAT is how/where to place/treat the mic.
Initially release Rudder first (not all of it) and wings will really start to level themselves. Kind of simultaneously releasing both rudder and aileron but start with Rudder (if that makes sense)
It’s kind of scary and uncomfortable since you’re doing full rudder in one direction and a lot of aileron in the other. You just have to make sure you don’t stall or you going for a spin. Remember your slipstream changes so your airspeed going to appear to be a lot slower than you really are. If you tip the nose down you’re going to pick up a lot of airspeed as you straighten out.
The beauty of a slip is that your higher wing is blocked and will lose lift first. If it loses lift, you'll likely pull out of the slip and return to wings level. If you're skidding in the turn, then now your lower wing is blocked and will lose lift first under an increased AoA. Because that lower wing will stall first, your plane cannot return to wings level and instead you'll go over into a spin. This is why it's so important to understand the difference between slips and skids and how useful a slip can be compared to how dangerous a skid will be.
Dude…I’ve been staring at that tail view for the entire video, trying to figure out what that is. Is that a crazily mounted GoPro? What’s going on there?
I’ve slipped a C-5 (660,000 lbs) on a tactical approach into a special ops field first night of Gulf War II. It was a better option than going around. Works great.
I bet that thing drops like a bag of Lead 😂
Slipped no different than a Cubby.
Never underestimate the willingness of a military pilot to just go for it, if mission must be met. Or if they want to fly a helo under the jungle canopy because they, "don't think troops should have to walk so much." Of course, those were Kiwi pilots and they are certifiably crazy.
@@FamilyManMoving Only Mild Maneuvering Pilots suck on forward slips. Military are Hard Maneuvering Pilots. No fannies allowed there. Vietnam Era Pilot.
MAGA
☝🏻This statement about slipping a C-5 is perhaps the most badass statement on the internet right now for a number of reasons.
Great cinematography, narration, and technical details. Please post more!
Thank you!
Joe what Mike cover do you use on your headset and what kind of connections do you use to you re wording device ? iPhone recording ? Go pro ? Thanks nice videos!
There is little background noise on your mike that’s why I ask?
Many years ago, as a solo student pilot of 18 hours, I experienced an engine failure. Had it not been for my instructor giving me tuition on side slipping, I would have damaged the aircraft and my ego. The event is still clear in my mind 55 years later.
I use a tighter pattern on the premise, that when the engine does quit, I’ll be plenty close enough to land on a smooth runway…it requires slipping on every approach, so much so that I find a normal powered approach leaves me a little squeamish especially with obstacles like trees and power lines just 20’-50’ below my gear!
I’m the same way. Could never understand some of these huge patterns…
Agreed. It is a far safer pattern to keep it close and high and drop in like a rock. If you’re too far out and uh oh there you are.
When I was a 5 hour student, my instructor showed me how to slip - cool I thought. A few howlers later I screwed up and turned base right over the end of the runway. “What are you going to do now?!”my instructor yelled at me (he was not a nice man). I looked at him and said, “Watch THIS!” I jammed my left foot down as I threw the control yoke right and we dropped like a rock, landing with plenty of runway to spare. I was SO proud of myself.
what did he say?
I really enjoyed it, I love doing slips. I learned to fly at a crosswind airport and a slip was the easiest way to get in.
I loved 'slipping'...I practiced it a lot when I flew. You're sharp on the controls...it's a video game to you at this point. Nice flying.
Thanks
Very nice video and audio. I agree, slips are great techniques to know for engine outs, landing over high obstacles near the threshold, short runways, etc. Of course the warning is "airspeed, airspeed, airspeed" with eyes outside, then airspeed, then outside, then airspeed.... Having stall / spin training first is important, so one has the feel for an approaching stall. It's also good to know the feel when flaps are down (if allowed), and the tail stall / buffet; don't want surprises at a critical time. And one last, small item, it's good to know how long you can physically hold down the rudder pedals before your leg loses fine movements to the shakes.
About to solo. Was out with my instructor and hadn’t really done a slip yet so when I came in high I tried my first. Greased her (the cub) in, taxied off the runway, reset the trim and carb heat, and then changed my pants😂 it was fun but boy did it feel crazy. Finally got the hang of it. Loved this video keep up the great content!
Haha so much fun!
LOVE this, Joe! After 350+ hours of Stearman flying, you get pretty comfortable with slips. Very important skill, IMO, regardless of airplane type (GA anyway)…but especially for taildraggers. I practice slips ALL th time and tell my students, “You never know when you’ll need one”…and regardless, they’re just so much darned fun! Case in point this week…I accompanied the new owner of my 7ECA from FL to OH. After some challenging flying due to lots of convective activity and trying to avoid cells, we’re approaching our interim destination in rural GA right before dark. Straight in approach to a grass strip because light is failing fast. Over the trees I realise the optical illusion has me 600’ higher than I thought (landing over 100’ pines!). Instant ADM needed…go around and try again, or maximum slip to land within the available 3000’. No brainer, no stress…slipped and landed within 1200 feet. Student was super impressed, hosts at the airpark thought I was just showing off. Whatever - it was a piece of cake because I’ve done so many. Routinely slip right down to the runway, as you demonstrate. Good, timely practice for me…I’m buying a Waco YMF-5, and like the Stearman, there is zero forward visibility. If you want to land that thing safely, your only option is a slip. Happy flying my friend…seems you really know how to have fun! My Stearman was based in Van Sant for many years, btw, and was George Taylor’s personal airplane in the 80s (his first restoration). Nice part of the world…except for January and February 🤣
Thanks Gareth!! I only have a few hours in a Stearman but working on getting more!!
Great story! I was on my Commercial Pilot check ride in a Cessna 182 with a check pilot who also owned the airplane. He pulled back the throttle and said "you just lost your engine, what are you gonna do?" He had put me right over a crop duster strip so I said "I'm landing right down there." I made my approach but was high even with full flaps so I put the 182 into a steep slip and it started sinking like the Titanic! I glanced over to the check pilot and he was white as a ghost and braced for impact. I crossed the threshold, went out of the slip and just as I was about to touch down he applied full power and told me to climb out. I wondered why he didn't take over if he was concerned but all he said was he didn't know you could slip a heavy 182 with full flaps! I passed the check ride. I had lots of tail dragger time so it was a no brainer as far as I was concerned.
👍9N1, my happy place!
@@Bananasssssssss Where are you flying the Stearman?
01:52 "most Airbus pilots don't even realize airplane has a rudder" Lol, made my day!
Edit: Highly valuable video and rear spot view source dazzled me! Invisible rod extending from tail wheel?
😂😂😂
Not all Airbus pilots are the same
Best videos on the internet. Thanks Joe!
Wow, thanks!
Fun and informative! I rarely land without slipping as my planes don't have flaps and there are obstructions at either end of the grass strip I fly from. As you say - they are useful but they're also a lot of fun.
Loved it thanks Joe. Beautifully captured and produced. Really appreciate all the effort you put in.
I performed a couple of precautionary forced landings (practice engine out) with my CFI in the cub the other day. It was near impossible to land on target without the aid of slipping
Thanks! Appreciate that! And love to hear that you practice em!
Love slipping my Champ. So useful. Especially dropping into 1 comfortably over the trees at the W. Great video.
Really enjoy your videos -- great aviation insights, great video work, and love the views of rural NJ. I fly a Cessna 180 -- the tail wheel techniques are cool to watch from the tail view. One comment on slips burned into me -- keep an eye on airspeed. Don't allow the nose to get high -- stalls at low altitude are tough.
Keep 'em coming.
Yep. But you don’t need to over do it. One CFI had me slipping with full flaps at 95 knots in an Archer because “the air speed isn’t accurate in a slip”. I later took the same plane up to altitude and did a few full flaps slips while gradually pulling the nose up. At just under 55 knots I thought *maybe* I felt the high wing starting to drop a bit so I stopped the slip. Now I feel perfectly safe slipping it at 65-70 rather than 95.
You kick pedals better than most - thats a perfect airplane.
Totally amazing. I could watch this all day. I’m a newbie 2.5 hours in to flight training, LSA. I hope to be doing slips to land soon…
Thanks!
Just came across this. Im a low hr pilot and think learning slipping early has saved me a lot of trouble at least once.
In the middle of a very hot day in the mountains, stupid me looked at the sky and thought that it did not look _that_ windy. Well, it was. After ten minutes, I knew I was in over my head and turned back to the airfield.
It was so gusty that while on downwind, my groundspeed was suddenly 26kts higher than my airspeed. I tried to compensate for the strong wind when turning final, but shortly after after turning, it dwindled away and I was high and fast. In these gusty conditions I did NOT want to go around unless I could help it. If a strong gust caught me at the wrong time in the pattern I could be in serious trouble. The sooner I could get down the betyer. Thankfully, I was flying a Cub, and slipping was one of the things I really enjoyed practicing, and had been doing a bit for fun. So down I went, and I got on the ground before the next gust.
While I was putting the bird away in the hangar, the winds got quite a bit worse. It was definetely way beyond my skill! Very happy I could grab the lucky opportunity that offered itself! Learned a bit about hot days in the mountains, and the usefulness of slipping!
@@Hamperokken absolutely PERFECT example how effective and helpful these are!
Great, great instructional video. Instrument overlays were excellent. My CFI (and flight school) taught and emphasized that slips (especially full on an app when your high), as you said several times, are an essential piloting skill. Thanks as always Joe!
Thanks Jeff! Appreciate the feedback!!
Such a great lesson. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I agree, slips are a very effective tool and a skill that should be mastered to increase pilot options/safety in a variety of situations. I plan to practice them when I get my flight training and teach them to my students once I am a cfi.
Fantastic shots, very entertaining thankyou. The wing tip vortices coming through the fog were epic.
Thank you!, I appreciate it
J3 is a perfect plane for demonstrating things, and your videos have amazing production quality. Well done! Liked and subscribed.
Thank you! I really appreciate that
Slipping a great video in Joe! I was taught to slip in a 152 during my student days & use it fairly often. A great maneouvre!
Thank you!!!
Maybe others have mentioned it, but it also improves the viz over the nose, especially helpful when landing off airport. For those of us who have planes with removable doors, we know the result is less effective slips, quite noticeable.
Great video, Joe...👍
Used to love doing slips in my brother's Cub and his C-140. These days, now retired after 40 years on the flightline, I maintain a trio of planes for their owner: A 1986 Waco YMF-5, a 1947 Aeronca Chief, and a 1961 C-182 Razorback Skylane (that we installed a new O-470 into last year.) I'm now resuming my flight instruction as he's getting on a bit in years and we both would like to see him have a safety pilot. We operate off a lovely grass strip (Argyle, NY 1C3) and when I asked about slipping in with the 182 I was told that's not recommended with flaps deployed. He only ever uses 20 degrees of flaps as he prefers having the additional lift, as well as drag. Apparently the flaps reduce elevator effectiveness to the point Cessna advises not slipping with flaps deployed. I'm wondering, with me as safety co-pilot, whether we could slip down in, then I could deploy 20 degrees of flaps as we straighten out, or would that cause a ballooning effect? -Love your videos and am going to watch them all. You're a good stick and rudder man, and guys with that experience seem to be disappearing. Thanks for your continued efforts, here!
Oh, the Skylane also has a full Robertson STOL kit and droop tips.
Still slips feel scary for me, maybe because I rarely do them. Will start practising them every time I fly from now on. Thank you!
I felt the same way! very common. It just feels so awkward at first
Totally agree. When I first tried slipping, it felt like flying a stoned eagle 😂 But the more you do them the more fun they get. 😁
When I learned to fly a Citabria the instructor had to teach me how to slip. I had never done one in a 152 because it had flaps, and that instructor never showed me how to slip. That was in 1980. Years later I gently slipped a B727. It can be done. And if you think about it, you're almost slipping in an Airbus when you go to de crab during a strong crosswind landing. You're putting in L aileron for example, while kicking the right rudder. You're just doing it more gently and keeping the longitudinal axis of the jet pointed directly down the runway as opposed to flying it sideways. And of course, you need to be LOW enough that the normal law will allow you to do so. But, being able to slip well is a skill that can help you in all airplanes. For example, I've heard of guys on fire slipping to keep the smoke away from the windscreen so they can see the runway. Very nice vid. Jealous old man here wishing you well. I'd love to have access to a cub and a grass strip.
Thanks for
The insight! And jealous you got to fly an727!
It was awesome. I would have flown it a lot longer had we not parked them. Some of the most rewarding flying I've ever done and the only plane I ever saw 400 knots indicated in. The ones with the light ZFW as I recall would really scoot. BOS-IAD 1999.@@Bananasssssssss
The slip Reminds me of an old ride that used to be at Kings Island called "Flying Eagles" where you were in a box with a sail type of wing in front that you could counter steer in or out of the wind to get it to slip in and out either closer or father from the ground. That ride was a blast
Doing most of my primary training in a 65hp Luscombe, slipping was a staple of the pattern. Way shorter approach, great way to drop altitude, but in a lot of airplanes, it gives a much better view of the touchdown point!
Great point! Especially in Stearmans & Pitts etc I flew my friends 85HP Luscombe and if it wasn’t for slipping I’d have no shot at not landing long and fast, lol
I was taught how to slip in a glider. It works just as well as it does in your Cub.
I’d
Imagine it’s really important in a glider where you have no options of a second approach?
@@Bananasssssssssyeah, “go around” is the last thing you want to hear.
@@Bananasssssssss Gliders do have spoilers though - unlike most small GA aircraft. So they have two options for plummeting.
Nice job Joe.
Thank you!
Man that is one of the sweetest videos I’ve seen!! Sick!
I definitely have been under utilizing slips on my J3! Do you worry about getting to slow/uncoordinated? I think that is why I am maybe too shy slipping it… awesome video!!
If you ever came to NC I would love to fly with you and get some tricks!!
Thank you! really appreciate that!. Whats nice about a slip is unlike a Skid which will rally bite yeah without any indication, a Slip will let ya know when you are getting too slow. you'll lose Elevator authority and feel a pretty good buffeting there.
Loved slipping in my Cherokee 180. Got a “nice landing” from a guy waiting to take off at a mountain airport. Such smooth quick loss of altitude.
Great video! The side slip is unfortunately overlooked by many. Thanks for bringing this subject to light.
Thank you!
Love your videos! They help me out a lot in my cub!
What software and equipment do you use for the GPS data and how did you get your flight path overlayed on the map?
Thank you!! Appreciate that! The GPS data comes from the GoPro/Insta360 Camera and the flight path is thE KML file from Foreflight
👋🏻 from Gimli Manitoba. I fly a Kitfox and slipping can be an essential skill.
I hear they are great planes!
Greasers!!! Awesome videos.
Thanks you!
Those power lines are giving me some serious anxiety but I’m here for it because those slips are fire 💀😬😬🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awesome how confidently you fly that plane like your taking a walk.
Great video as always Joe, thanks. Now go knock the morning bugs off your aeroplane.
Thanks Dave!!
exceptional job, thanks for the video
My pleasure!
7ac champ I learned in was a great slipper!
Also good for sight seeing. Better than turning around what you want to see.
“Pitch for airspeed power for altitude” YES! Though really pitch and trim for AOA. Power technique works both back side and front side - it is not back side technique. Via spoilers, even gliders use it. The only ones not doing so either rob themselves of precision or have long spool-up times for engine response. Search Medium for “Improved Landings with AOA and Power Techniques” as well as the correlating case study “F-35C Crash into the South China Sea Case Study.” May also consider looking at the differences between ‘reverse command’ and “reverse demand” also in Medium searching “Back Side of the Power Curve vs Drag Curve.”
Thanks, I'll take a look at em...
Great video! How did you get the view from the back of the aircraft? Drone? I owned a 1946 Cessna 120, no electrical system or flaps so had to slip it all the time. I also flew a friends 1938 J3 from western Okla to Oshkosh air show in 1978. No radios so had FAA waiver. Entered the downwind per instructions but had the J3 fire walled just trying to keep up with the other aircraft. Came over threshold too fast and high. Had to do a steep slip to get down and bleed off airspeed. When I touched down a guy next to the runway was frantically waving me off the runway into the grass. As I rolled off the runway a Ford Tri-Motor landed. He was on my tail the whole way down. Exciting times flying that J3.
Thanks! It’s actually a 360° camera attached to tailwheel spring
Great videos as usual Joe! Thanks for sharing. If you had to choose a first plane for a beginner is a J3 a good choice or would recommend something newer? I dream of owning a 1940-1943 J3 or L4 but I often wonder if I would be better of with something like an ultralight to start.
Love slipping. Trim for 60, crank 'er over and let the air out. Great for clearing the 50' tree nearly on centerline not quite 700 feet from the numbers (25 at 9N1). Airnav says 17/1 glideslope, and 25 is a 5% uphill. Interesting challenge. It's flat unobstructed runways that unnerve me 😅!
I prefer the right rudder left aileron when slipping too. Doing it the other way feels so awkward for some reason. Love the videos. The comment about Airbus pilots not knowing there’s a rudder made me laugh.😂 Have you flown any other tailwheel airplanes?
I was the same way! Lol and forced myself to slip the other way! Little bit of SuperCub, Chief, Luscombe & Stearman time 👍🏼
@@Bananasssssssss Thats awesome. Vintage Biplanes are so freakin cool. Haven’t flown the Stearman yet but I plan to. Have you done/do you have any interest in aerobatics? Or is that “off limits” lol Looking forward to the next video. Great production quality. Golden hour is the best for it 👍🏻 Keep it up.
@@alexc5449 I do have an interest in it, but I don’t know if I’m ready for it yet, lol. I did get a ride in a T6 (Aeroshell team) and the aerobatics we did were AWESOME!!
“the runway behind you is not going to do you any good” generally true for takeoff though not so for landing. If you misjudge, or get hit by a gust, the runway aft of your intended point is your margin for safely landing short or low. There is reason glider pilots do not aim for the threshold.
This is a blanket statement BUT I have found majority of South American Pilots I have flown with have all been pretty good Stick & Rudder Pilots.
What are your thoughts on IAS during a slip? I have a pitot and static port on the left side, and the delta between those pressures can get complicated (especially in a crosswind). I generally ignore the IAS and just fly by feel. Thoughts?
You said it! Ignore it! It’s pretty in accurate in a slip for a few reasons, the airframe blocking the relative wind and it hitting the pitot tube on an angle. Best advice is to get established on a nice and stable final approach speed then enter the slip. That’s also what I love about slips, the airplane will tell you when it’s getting close to a stall, in a Skid, there is no warning at all.
Great content. I notice that your VHF voice is same as normal. What is it about pilots that they go voice fry on VHF?
New sub. Thanks for the cool videos!
Thanks for the sub! and I appreciate it!
Good work, Joe!!
Thank you!!
Very good video my friend
Thank you! Much appreciated!
I always slip when landing. Well, except maybe a couple times per year to make sure I remember how to land the way most other pilots do. Frankly, I can't understand why every pilot doesn't slip during landing. First, getting into the habit of slip to land gets you into the habit of being [very] high during the landing process. Why is this good? Because most engine failures happen when engines are being manipulated == not running at constant speed like during cruise ... or mixture being tweaked ... or whatever. So if you're high ... because you are *ALWAYS* high during approach and in pattern if you always slip to land ... you can always reach the runway, even if your engine totally fails. Just slip it in as you always do. Every landing is an [ultra]-short field landing ... or practice for an [ultra]-short field landing. I'm a bush/backcountry pilot, so many places I land are only 100~250 feet long (sometimes on steep uphill). In the rare case I land at a "real airport" (with ATC/tower - yuk!) I like to come to a stop before the numbers. That's the numbers on the leading end of the runway! Hahahaha ... but not kidding. Frankly, if slips weren't second nature to me, I couldn't land at more than half the places I land in the boonies.
Amazing photography.
Nice job! I use my cub all the time with slips. What engine do you have in it?
I go out to Allen's and enjoy watching you enjoy your mornings.
Thanks ! Wave me down and I’ll take ya up
Love your work!
I’m not looking to make content, but just for rewatching my flights, how do you integrate the flight gauges into your videos?
The A300 slips just as nicely as my Pitts did. Used to do it with some regularity before the company disallowed it.
Joe, how do you get the camera shots from behind and in front of the plane?
It's a little selfie stick attached to tailwheel spring. there are some pics and videos here
th-cam.com/video/Tm5fQyeFOyc/w-d-xo.html
My A.C. may or may not have slipped the KC-135 on short final as a demo when I asked if the 135 could be slipped. I may or may not have been the Boom Operator on that flight and I may or may not have been nervous.
Great video as always man! Any advice for someone about to become an instructor?
Yeah! Every student will try to ki*ll you! Ha. Stay vigilant and dont worry about being uncomfortable for the first month or two. Very natural to be hyper vigilant! Lol. It gets better with time and I tell people, “you don’t really learn how to fly, until you start Instructing “
Appreciate the advice sir!
Cool Joe....Brazil show u
Great video. Love your J3 ❤ She looks even older than mine (1946). A question to your video: How did you add those gauges to the video?
Thank you! It’s a ‘41. And as far as GPS overlays. Here ya go!
Quickly Adding GPS Overlays to your Flying Videos with GoPro and Insta360º Cameras.
th-cam.com/video/GmvQNqLDkeQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Bananasssssssss hey thanks. I will check that out. 👍
In Brazil we´ve a similar plane Cub...call Paulistinha....I had flown one in 2009
Slightly daft question.. why do folks fly cubs from the rearmost seat? I was wondering if it relates to the rearwood CG helping keep the taildragger more stable?
yup! Without Wing Tanks the Cub has to be flown from rear seat for Weight & Balance
What do you use the for cool tail camera shot? I'd like to do that with my Maule.
Great video! I did not see it, but do you have to trim the Cub much in the pattern?
Thanks! And nope! Hardly every touch it unless I have a passenger
Cub King! btw I wondered to you have the original 65hp or did you go 85hp? I'd think the way you play with the trees 85 would be nice.🤷♂️
I WOULDDDDD LOVE AN 85! But currently have the A-65
simply explained, and executed! Excellent video!
Thank you!, appreciate it
I fly sailplanes. Not more than 16 solo flights. Slips are fun but freak me out because the airspeed indicator goes all wonky with the indirect airflow and becomes useless so I always worry I might be going too slow.
The one-eyed pilot of this TACA flight had to slip to get over a fence on final, landing it deadstick on a levee after losing both engines in a thunderstorm off New Orleans. They flew the airplane out after repairing the engines. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110
How do you get the view from behind the tail feathers ?
360° camera!
Safely Mounting GoPro & Insta 360º Camera's on your plane, on Strut, Tail, Rudder and Cowling
th-cam.com/video/Tm5fQyeFOyc/w-d-xo.html
Loved watching you come down the runway in a slip. A Thing of beauty. Really Appreciate your camera work. Thanks Joe
Perfect. Thank you! But isn't it a bit dangerous to slip at literally the stalling speed? It was showing 40 mph!
The Airspeed indicator isnt very accurate when in a slip. As far as what GPS/Telemtryz data says, thats based off GPS Groundspeed
"the two useless things in aviation are the runway behind you and the altitude above you"
And *_FUEL_* in the *_TRUCK!!!_*
Ain’t that the truth!!!!!
hey, where did you get that rad shirt?
Very nice.
"Most airbus pilots dont even realize it has a rudder" 🤣
Thank You
Amazing opening scene , great filming That morning weather was so beautiful, even I could feel it through my screen . Very nice tutorial with nice explanations. 😊
Are you still instructing? Looks like you’re close to me and I gotta get back in to it.
Folks, notice how Joe has the mic close to his lips but he isn’t constantly making those silly duck lips and smooching it? THAT is how/where to place/treat the mic.
Do you recommend wings level or ball to middle first when coming out?
Initially release Rudder first (not all of it) and wings will really start to level themselves. Kind of simultaneously releasing both rudder and aileron but start with Rudder (if that makes sense)
The King of Slips!!!
Nice!
What's the difference between a slip and a skid?
Thinking of getting a canard, no flaps, can you slip a canard?
How do you rig the tail camera?
I fly in the morning before work all the time :)
Same here!
Why do you have a seat in the back ? CG ?
yup
It’s kind of scary and uncomfortable since you’re doing full rudder in one direction and a lot of aileron in the other. You just have to make sure you don’t stall or you going for a spin. Remember your slipstream changes so your airspeed going to appear to be a lot slower than you really are. If you tip the nose down you’re going to pick up a lot of airspeed as you straighten out.
The beauty of a slip is that your higher wing is blocked and will lose lift first. If it loses lift, you'll likely pull out of the slip and return to wings level.
If you're skidding in the turn, then now your lower wing is blocked and will lose lift first under an increased AoA. Because that lower wing will stall first, your plane cannot return to wings level and instead you'll go over into a spin.
This is why it's so important to understand the difference between slips and skids and how useful a slip can be compared to how dangerous a skid will be.
Smooth.
Bananasssss! I think Tom Petty sang about this. He called it Free Falling! =]
Great videos.
Thanks Jim!
Dude…I’ve been staring at that tail view for the entire video, trying to figure out what that is. Is that a crazily mounted GoPro? What’s going on there?
haha. It's pretty cool isn't it? It's an Insta360. Here is a good video I made on the install
th-cam.com/video/Tm5fQyeFOyc/w-d-xo.html