How to handle 20Kt Crosswinds in the J3 Cub (and how I Stopped myself from potentially Groundlooping
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- The Cub only weighs 750-ish lbs so any amount of wind could have a big impact on flying the J-3. As long as you are proactive with your flight control input it isn't too overwhelming. Also a good reminder then when the tail stops flying, you better get the tailwheel down or you may find yourself headed for the weeds because you don't have tailwheel steering, and you don't have enough airflow over the Rudder to counteract the weathervaning.
Great video! I can still hear my dad say, " Stay on the pedals and stick all the way back." Nothing like a J-3!! ❤
Great video. Felt like I was in my L-2 Taylorcraft making that landing. Nothing beats a slow, high wing taildragger in a challenging crosswind. Looked like a grass runway running parallel to the asphalt. Grass sure brings down the adrenaline in those momentarily gusts.
Geez I'm glad you make these videos. REALLY helpful, Joe.
Glad you like them!
Glad to see another Cub Pilot that can handle crosswinds!
took me a long time, lol
Thanks Joe. Brilliant visuals and advice. What a great topic for light aircraft pilots! I really liked how you discussed the various landing types and what to do. One of your best ever videos!! Loved it.
Much appreciated! Thank you!
Had my first go in a cub j-3 yesterday, really enjoy seeing these and the advice to help me sort out what I experienced and what should be expected. Great content
Thank you! how was it?
Good Video and good crosswind technique, the verbal instruction was very concise and helpful. Crosswind landings are always a bit of a challenge in a tail wheel airplane, and very satisfying to do good ones. I am very impressed how you always stayed on the centerline. I have a sweet Champ with a C85-8. It loves to fly.
Thank you! really appreciate it!
Wow Joe, best video on crosswind landings I've seen. Thank you!
Thanks Joe for the heads ups on not getting into a Ground loop
There is just something about a Cub! Wow!
This and Trent ❤ best two channels on TH-cam. And add Jeb Corliss and it would be as great as drinking a beer with the actual Red Baron ❤❤❤❤
Thx for posting this vid Sport Pilot with 70+ hours and Im still working on being more comfy in the crosswind landings. It helps a lot!
Excellent, thank you Joe. And thanks for the blue on the stick. It helps a lot to see the movements. Pom poms on your toes would be good but I don't blame you for not doing that!
You can also angle towards the wind on touchdown, so that you are more aligned into the wind on touchdown, straightening out after the tailwheel comes down. A 10-15 deg decrease in the sine of the crosswind angle, can make a big difference in the crosswind component. Angling works on takeoff, too.
Great great point/technique
You make it all look sooo easy. Nice job. My fox only weighs about 650lbs and it gets bullied by the wind if you dont keep on top of it, which I'm still tying to master. Love watching your videos, they inspire me to keep practicing... :)
Thanks 👍 appreciate it
How old is your fox?
@@jeremykemp3782 18months old
Excellent video, Joe- could not have come at a better time for me! I’ve been trying to work on my confidence in a crosswind with the J3. I still get pretty antsy if it’s over 5kts 😅 Thanks for this!
Great video! Fantastic tips and demonstrations. From a fellow J-3 owner. :-) Liked and subscribed!
Thank you!
Good camera view of rudder. We can see your dynamic proactive walking the rudder pedals to maintain longitudinal alignment and when off and crabbing still using rudder only to maintain wings level. This eliminates the adverse yaw rather than correct yaw problem of aileron use when trying to go straight on both takeoff and landing. On the second landing having to use full right rudder was good, but already moving is what saved you from the ground loop. Like the tennis player shifting his weight while waiting on the service, we are better when we move even if that movement is momentarily the wrong way. The dynamic proactive rudder movement is bracketing the centerline/longitudinal alignment. It is a bit more tricky with the crab technique changing to side slip at the last moment.
While using the high drag of the Cub/Champ/Taylorcraft 65 hp trainers to add a bit of airspeed is gives a bit more control surface action, tailwheel airplanes are a lot more expensive now than the twenty five hundred dollar Champ I had. And the speed of the airplane when the ground loop occurs is the determining factor in the amount of damage. I always used a power/pitch deceleration coming into ground effect so that if the student got down straight enough to go a few feet before ground loop, no damage occurred. So with a strong headwind component of the crosswind, these light and dirty airplanes can get down at almost zero ground speed, especially if we angle across the runway from the downwind corner to the upwind thousand feet stripe.
Nice three point. Nice job all around and good explanations.
Thanks for the insight! lotta good points
Best of the best!!!
thanks for sharing - your so good at this and look effortless.
Thanks so much 😊
Excelente vídeo friends! Strong like to Brasil 🇧🇷 🇧🇷 🇧🇷
Wow
Talk about a professional aviator.
Thank you!
I was working on my personal mins in our Aeronca. 15 g19kn direct xwind isn't fun anymore. But a quartering head wind is totally fine. It spooked me but now I know where the line is.
Nice, I won't take the Chief up in anything over 10kts just yet, lol
I really have no interest in pushing my luck with a aircraft that I can't replace because my grandfather owned if since 67 and I used to fly with him as a child. Perhaps I need to get another one!
Watched it a second time, 70 knots approach…that.s more than twice my stall speed with flaps up! 😂WTH? But thanks for showing, I still wonder if I shall widen my landing gear spur with or keep the 25 degrees angle down🧐from CG …wonder what will happen at 20 knots wind when I have flaps down and basically hoover over the runway with some 5 knits creep diagonally around….kkkk…thanks for showing
Great video, Joe.
Thanks!
Awesome video, thanks!
Can you share a bit more about your AoA consideration for nose down trim in gusty conditions? Do you prefer nose down trim so that you can quickly decrease your AoA in case your AoA rapidly increases and/or airspeed drops down because of a gust?
I fly a Husky, so I prefer to trim back/ nose up so that I'm not fighting the trim bungees to get the tail down when I need tailwheel steering as I lose rudder authority. With nose down trim it is unfortunately very difficult to pin the tail on the ground.
I like the airplane having the tendency to want to "pitch down" slightly. It's not much of a trim down but I feel like when it's gusty and the trim is more aft or neutral I tend to not "pin the mains" as well for whatever reason. I also just like the fact that if I "let go" the AOA is going to decrease. Not sure if that makes sense
Going up gor my bfr today 6/9. And winds are just about at my personal limit. But i know the instructor so im looking forward to getting some good practice in with a bit of a safety net sitting next to me.
Perfect time to get the BFR done!
@@Bananasssssssss annnnnd scrubbed it because the winds got a lot worse. Cfi had a rollercoaster ride in his twin, my little Cherokee would get tossed around.
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haha Thank you!
Tail low is fine if you push forward on contact to weight the wheels and unblank the tail. But you have to be aggressive in bringing the tail down once you have some weight on the wheels
This plane is your favourite?
How many planes do you have?
Could you please tell me about airplane software architecture?
How is it actually working and how to implement the software to the airplane?
Could you please share the process?
That FOV makes your Taxi speed look like a fighter jet 😂
SWA style 😂
Old great piper J-3 PUB. I have simulator fly this aircraft fun to fly😍🤠👍
Great videos. Question, how do you get the “tail camera” shots?
Thanks! It’s a 360° camera
th-cam.com/video/Tm5fQyeFOyc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cUfMixImHpxm7B4Z
Helpful video. Wondering why a lot of cub pilots fly from the back seat. Personal preference or is there some advantage?
Actually for weight & Balance. Regular old J3s you have to fly solo from the Back. It’s actually a much better view and is more comfortable too
@@Bananasssssssss makes sense
I always fly from the passanger seat in infinite flight, because there's a better field of vision, but I never knew you can actually do that irl 😂
haha you! way better field of view and way more leg room
The first landing you really need to crank the aileron into the wind. It keeps the wing down and the adverse yaw helps keep the plane straight. Also on the roll out feed in full aileron into the wind. Is that a dead Bonanza to the right? I hate seeing that, seems like every airport has one.
unfortunately that is in fact a Dead Bonanza, lol . It;s an early 50's one
@@Bananasssssssss what a shame. I have a 1955 F35, love the plane, so easy to fly and comfortable. Handles cross wind landings with ease.
@@johnmajane3731 yeah it really is. Sad to see it there
@@Bananasssssssss seems like every airport has one.
It's like more cowbell. Hard to have too much.
Hiya Joe! What motor do you have in your J3? Thanks!
Disregard, I see you have a video on that and I already commented on it. hahaha!
Good info, BUT when a 15kt windsock is only half out your a LONG ways from 20kts. A true 20kt crosswind would be quite a handful....... in that 700 lb Cub.
AWOS was variable 15 gusting to 20. I don’t make the rules 😂😂
How do you get the first person view from behind the aircraft? Pretty neat.
Thanks! actually just a GoPro on a suction cup
@@Bananasssssssss no, when you’re landing it’s as if the camera is behind the plane unattached. Do you just put the data into flight sim to get the video?
@@j700jam4 ahhh. I see. Its a 360 camera attached to tailwheel spring. It deletes the polw
Can you explain more about this idea, “if the engine fails at any point in the pattern, you can make the runway”.
Does that not imply if you are using ANY amount of power, at ANY point on your approach, you WOULD NOT have made the runway if the engine quit. Thus all your approaches would have to me made power of if your subscribed to that 100%.
Personally I like a tight pattern as well, however I have stopped telling my students that this is so they can make the runway from ANY point in the pattern if the engine fails.
What are your thoughts?
I was taught the same way. Fly a close pattern is what is meant. How close ? Close enough so you can make the runway if you lose power.
If you make a pattern like most are taught, and you lose power, there would be no way to make it to the airport, except by cab.
So basically what Brian said. At any point in the pattern if the engine quits I should theoretically be close enough to just aim for the runway and have no problem making it. There are definitely a few times on final where I add power and if engine quit it might be a bit of stretch but other than that, that's kind of my goal. I mean it more for downwind and when to turn base. Once you turn final you are mostly committed to going straight ahead anyway if the engine quits.
If you are that high on final, with power at idle, then you don't give yourself any room to decrease throttle if you are looking a bit long. I think optimal is stabilized with 1500 or so rpm. Engines also quit more readily at idle than at 1500rpm. So doing final at idle paradoxically increases the risk of what you are trying to avoid.
For wheel landings do you typically keep a little power in or are you at full idle?
Idle when solo,,little but of power when flying with someone
I’ll going to do your technique
Remember not all planes have tailwheel steering !
Yo tried to zoom in, it would be interesting which speed you were on and what the crosswind actually really was, bcs this was neither 16 nor 20 anyways, sorry….
How did you video the tail view ?
it's a 360º Camera. It automatically edits out the Pole
Is that flying w
@@JonathanFinkGroup yup! Home sweet home
My first clue was the 1 on the runway. The second clue was your radio call. Lol. I did a lot of training there years ago. I’m at northeast.
@@JonathanFinkGroup ahh nice. Short hop!
why do you fly from the back seat
Weight & Balance
@@Bananasssssssss ok
Not a crosswind if you're looking out the front window.
Lol. You’ll always be looking out the front window.
@@Bananasssssssss If you have a strong crosswind you will be crabbing on approach and won't straighten out until you begin your flare. The runway won't be in front of the nose of the aircraft but opposite the side of the wind.
@@kisssys5414 lol, I’m well aware, its called the Crab & Kick
Sounds interesting, let’s waste time on it and hope it,s worth it….kkkk
Not 20kts *