Changing The Rules for Jordan: Part 1 - The Bad Boys
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2023
- There’s a lot to consider in this series (rule changes, rumors, lies, truth) and I’m starting things off looking at the claims that the league “protected” Jordan or changed the rules for him. I’m going to focus on the Bad Boys Pistons and the New York Knicks, two teams who literally bragged about abusing players with their overly physical and often dirty style of play. I was willing to let that go because I admittedly liked watching those teams, but now members of those teams want to call Jordan a crybaby? Well, that calls for a deeper look.
This is as much about the BS narratives as it is about the people who create them. Look no further than Isiah Thomas. Like many people, the more he opens his mouth, the more he invites people to dig deeper into history, which in his case is not a good thing.
I never intended for episode one to focus on Isiah Thomas so much, but the more I learned the more my good memories of him faded.
I wouldn’t have considered myself an Isiah hater, but he did always have a little “cringe factor” when I heard him in interviews and announcing. But it’s his inability to take responsibility for his own actions and words that makes Isiah particularly gross to me. In this video I detail a few examples of such behavior.
According to Isiah, people “labeled” him and his teammates and called them names. Any chance you (Isiah) earned those names and labels, or was it really just people picking on you for no reason? You guys all seemed pretty comfortable fitting the part. It’s interesting how many times the entire Pistons organization would brag about the punishment they would deliver then turn around and be shocked that people had a problem with that style of play. You only get to be the Raiders if you’re playing football.
Isiah blamed both Lambier and the Celtics for his embarrassing “walk off” when the Bulls Swept the Pistons. People will have their varied opinions on whether or not behaving that way was justified, but Isiah needs to own it, not try to blame other people, especially when he was supposedly the team captain.
Isiah stated that Bird would be just another good guy if he were black, but when confronted with the reality of how ugly that statement was, especially after getting whooped by the guy, he didn’t apologize, he blamed Rodman. Yeah, Rodman said it first, then you repeated it in agreement. And you never actually apologized, you just tried to make everyone else out to be the bad guy and sounded worse and worse the longer you avoided taking responsibility.
I’m not sure who he is trying to blame when he threw the game and series away against the Celtics with his boneheaded in-bounds pass, but it sort of sounded like he was blaming the ref for standing there with the ball. His own teammate, Rick Mahorn, said he can’t understand why Isiah ran over to in-bound the ball (not his job) even as coach Daley was calling for time out.
As usual, I have drawn parallels to the excuse-making people popping up all over the media to this new LeBron James society where failure is fine as long as you have something to whine about. I guess I’m extra mad to see people from the old school acting this way too, but no doubt, Clutch Sports is handing out paychecks for anyone who will suck LeBron’s dick or talk trash about MJ.
MJ had his flaws, and I actually cheered against him during the second threepeat, but the more I look at his old film the more I appreciate that athletes took hits and stayed standing as a source of pride rather than looking for excuses to fall to the floor.
The Knicks will have to come as a second part of the "protecting Jordan" segment. Stay tuned.
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Michael Jordan Still shook their hands even though he is suppose to be this selfish Jerk
it's called K.I.L.L.ING them with kindness
MJ understood the essence of the sport.
His “selfishness” revolves around basketball and winning, and not simply to make himself look good. He doesn’t put himself above everyone else. Instead he puts winning above everyone and anything.
This is why it kills me when kids say Jordan cried to the league. These kinds of fouls would make ANYONE ready to fight especially if your health is related to how you make a living for millions of dollars. Big ups to AOH for making this and incorporating clips and quotes. Nothing hits better than actually seeing the proof we've all tried to explain to these jordan haters who listens to Isaiah.
Imagine today's players getting hit like that. Guys already miss a ton of games but if they got hit like players did in the 80s then players like lebron and AD would only play about 20 games each season cause they'd always be hurt and lebron would definitely be crying to the league about it.
Not to mention Lebron’s whiny ass petitioned the league because Draymond used harsh language.
@@roboninja3194 right! That Bird foul was brutal! No wonder his back went out! Smh. Rodman literally said "we tried to hurt Jordan". Meanwhile Bron gets players suspended because his feelings was hurt from being called a bad word. 🤦🏾♂️
These Jordan haters know that MJ was mugged when he played the Pistons, just like they know that Lebum flops, travels, and blames teammates for losses. They just don't care. In fact, they respect Lebum for fooling the refs with his flops and disrespect MJ for playing legit. They are children who've been handed everything and as adults we need to stop arguing with them and let them suffer the consequences of being a little bitch in a grown man's world.
He did cry to the league
As a guy who watched all of these games live in my opinion Joe Dumas was the only piston player who was using proper defensive mechanics like sliding his feet trying to beat mj to the spot, or picking him up full court with a slight hand check, but he never ever used dirty playing to guard mj. So much so that mj himself said that he respected Joe Dumars defense and referred to Joe as being his toughest matchup. Oh yeah Joe Dumars was that classy dude who showed mj and the Bulls the proper respect by acknowledging them after the 1991 sweep in the conference finals. Great video dude.
U are absolutely right about Dumars. Jordan has the upmost respect for the man.
@@coryyoung1857 Yes plus Dumars actually did congratulate Michael and the Bulls after losing to them, he didnt line up for that b... Laimbeer.
Dumars was a class act
Joe was the only man I knew who could contain him.
The knicks played very hard but they werent trying to injure MJ like the pistons were. Those bulls vs knicks rivalries are among my fondest basketball memories.
Agreed. Loved those games
@@AngryOldHoops The Celtics use to rough Jordan up pretty good when he played them
Those Sidney moncrief bucks were tuff also
@RulingClassMentality there's no real debate ...it's "public relations" i.e. propaganda
@@desiarnes4731 marques johnson was that dude though
MJ's toughness and durability are probably 2 of his most underrated qualities.
Only a casual would debate those things...
Totally agree, Players from MJ's era were simply tougher physically and mentally....Utah Jazz's duo probably missed less games their entire career than most today superstars in a season......and stockton probably missed the game to attend family gatherings😂
Yep. After Oakley left, Jordan was his own enforcer. He was quoted as saying "Horace Grant is my enforcer? Hell, I can whoop Horace!"
Can you imagine Lebron vs Reggie Miller or Larry Bird getting in his head. @@mojoechina
@@joshportieor Dennis Rodman
The rules weren’t changed for Jordan. They were enforced to prevent injuries. Not just for Jordan but everyone. And the reason Isaiah is hated by his peers is because he led that team and watched as two towers tried to destroy players careers
Yet Isiah was voted, by his peers, as their player representative, twice!
@@cycleoflife565 yet he was not wanted on the dream team
@@DynoGreen313 So essentially the head of the snake, Chuck Daly, who commanded the manner in which the Pistons played was accepted with open arms but his troops and lieutenant was not. Something stinks here.
@@cycleoflife565 yeah daly was accepted and zeke was not that should tell you something
@@DynoGreen313 It tells me that they made Isiah the scapegoat when the blame for the Pistons style of play and aggressive defense should be shared and really given more responsibility to the coach that devised it, not just the players who carried it out.
If LeFraud got hit like Jordan did in those 1st few clips ESPN would be telling us he requires surgery on every muscle in his body.
yep
@@AngryOldHoops yep old hoop your era is the best ever existed.
If LeBron got hit like MJ there would be no goat discussion because his stats would be in the tank.
MPJ lightly bumped against AD's shoulders and he collapsed like a house of cards.
@@AngryOldHoopshow do you explain the phantom foul ???
Isiah is even more of a punk than I realized.
bro it was obvious from the moment he switched up and started saying lebron is "better than" jordan
actually we should have know something was up when tried to "ice" jordan in the all star game 1985 (if that story is true) not passing him the rock
Dude i get way more excited than i should be every time i see you drop a video..keep preaching.
Go ahead and get excited about this. It’s a lot of work.
@@AngryOldHoops its damn good work to sir
@@AngryOldHoopsit is definitely appreciated, brother! Keep on keeping on!
@@AngryOldHoopskeep bringing the pain to these Jordan haters
@@AngryOldHoopsjust subscribed. Had me dying laughing whole video lol but these younger kids need to see this. Younger generation is clueless. They look at stats and think they know basketball. And then have the ignorance to call ppl “casual” who do t think Lebron is goat
LeBron wouldn't survive in Jordan era. That was a man's game back then
Lebron would have a different upbringing if he played back then.
Wilt would have flattened LeBrawny and said I think you will need dentures after the cluster of stitches get removed...don't come into the paint again.
LeFlop's 12 year old cult followers call these legenday role player big men "plumbrs"
These plumbrs knew how to play physical, guard the paint, and the basket, and grab boards.
LeBalco, and most of these young star players would quit the league after 1 week if they had To deal with this
If MJ and Lebron traded places MJ would have 10 rings and Lebron would have 0.
Because Jordan was getting hammered everytime he went inside he learned how to shoot, he became a very good midrange shooter , which some people playing now can't do LeBron
jordan was great shooter when he entered the nba
@@DynoGreen313not as consistent as he would become after the pistons and into the knocks eras.
@@jflack6 he was a great shooter and great player from day one in the nba ---he won the ncaa championship at nc with a 22foot buzzer beater as an 18 yr old ...
jordan did not stop attacking the rim at all; in 1993 well after the pistons had been vanquished he was still high flying all over the place
it was when he went away to play baseball and came back that the so called "midrange" thing became more apparent
but he was always a great shooter
He already could shoot
GOAT basketball analyst TH-camr and it's not a debate. Thank you for these
Thank you!!
goat comment
Yeah man, as a REAL basketball fan I truly appreciate these breakdowns. Lies and narratives have been diminishing the legacy of thousands of great players, years of great basketball being played just to boost this modern garbage.... these analysis need to go viral!
The Piston needed the Jordan Rules and the Larry Bird Rules to beat the Bulls and the Celtics
What rules did Milwaukee use?
@@MrWoodstar1the Dave Corzine, Orlando Woolridge rules.
Boston knocked people down all day everyday.
😂 Larry Bird rules.😂 Bird wore his rules 24/7. & nobody in the NBA made those rules.
Isaiah Thomas is bitter that he got cooked by MJ and MJ didnt have to run to another team to cook him. He just had to run to the gym and get stronger. Isaiah is also mad that he was left off the dream team because nobody in the NBA liked him. Nobody.
@@sonza68 he is not a good person
Isiah and Lebron both have that feminine energy. The type that will tell you they aren’t hungry then eat all your fries.
I was just thinking that too.
😂
🤣ha! women KILL me with that one... they do that ALL THE TIME; say they don't want any then ask for some of YOURS smh
😂 😂😂😂
It's called "passive aggressive "
Great post AOH! The Pistons knew Jordan was a problem and Isaiah took his ascension personal because he knew Jordan was taking his hometown over.
jordan had the bulls UP 2-1 in 1989 conference final then the pistons instituted 'the jordan rules' and won 3 straight on their way to their first championship i.e. mj was going to lead the bulls past the pistons in 1989 and they KNEW they had to do something BEYOND basketball because jordan was just too good to beat straight up
so they took it to the streets
Facts
Yeah, I grew up a die hard Detroit Pistons fan and a serious Isiah Thomas fan and 30 plus years ago, I was cheering on the rough play and thought it was cool the way the Pistons played basketball, I was a kid. Now as a full grown adult looking at how they played, it was BAD, really bad and wrong. No way any of today's NBA players would of survived that. I'm forever going to be a Isiah Thomas fan, but Zeke has to come to grips that a lot of the dislike and hatred he gets, still to this day is his own doing. That's the reason he was left off the Dream Team, that's why Michael Jordan still has disdain for him. Zeke has to take accountability for the bad things he did in the past.................Really good vid and MJ23 is the 🐐
Wow!
If u look back all the great teams in the 80's played the same. Its that the NBA was trying to promote the dunk and Michael Jordan was the new face who could do it all. Watch Laker, Celtics, Philly NY, and Bucks games. The game 2as just different then not that the Pistons was playing bad basketball. They knew how to use the rules. Same thing the say about kids these days flopping because of the rules.
@@edwardchristian9529how can you compare hard fouls to flopping? LOL what??
Fouling hard isn’t a womanly, wussy 🍑 thing to do like flopping is. Not even close to the same thing ffs.
@HT-sm9dm because all they are doing is manipulating the rules. Hard fouls weren't flagrant fouls. So if ur gonna foul someone make sure it counts and they don't get a basket. It was a no layup rule back then. Now they can't be touched or its flagrant. So u blow on someone and they act like u killed them.
@@AngryOldHoopsExactly!…. That’s all I wanted to hear, a piston fan acknowledging the truth, not only were they trying to hurt MJ, they made it to the finals because they used intimidation and bullying against Pippen, Horace and the rest of the Chicago Bulls. Jordan had to be an aZz-hole so he can strengthen his team from getting punked…. He took Pippen under his wing and turned him into a Chicago Bull legend… that’s why I’m pissed at Scottie for turning on Jordan! Jordan doesn’t get enough credit for LEADING BY EXAMPLE for his teammates. This is my favorite video, can’t wait for the next one.
Your videos are 100 times more entertaining than today’s NBA
Thank you. Maybe someday I can do it full time.
I want to thank you for taking the time to talk about the moved M.J. did on (7:21). For a long time I wanted people to realize why?, when? and how? he did that move. Thank you!
isiah is a despicable liar and it's wild to see how many people defend him in the comments. I wonder who those people are fans of...
Yeah, quite a mystery the type people whiners and complainers attract. Ha
He’s like a politician. He bends the truth.
Regardless if you like him or not(BTW that like and dislike and name calling is feminine energy)
He is one of the best players of his era and he certainly was one of the best leaders ever.
No other player his size was the leader of a championship team.
It actually was the media that gave them that label, they embraced it.
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying.
If it was allowed how was it cheating.???
The Pistons got cheated out of a championship also, a phantom no call on Kareem in the 87 finals.
He’s also one of the most insightful players of the era.
Isiah never played victim.
Isiah is one of my favorite players ever, even prior to the bad boys era.
MJ was and is the GOAT, no argument or debate.
I only commented because I welcome the debate.
FTR. I am not a fan of any man… that too is feminine. Idolatry. I may have players whom I enjoy watching play more and they become my favorites to watch.
I didn’t play beyond high school, got cut trying to walk on a lower level D-1 team.
Played against multiple guys who made the league. In the early 80’s that was how the game was played.
Nobody is saying that any of these guys are perfect ~
But to disrespect Isiah’s intelligence is laughable. Look at what he’s accomplished educationally after his career.
Well spoken and articulate.
Very intelligent.
Cherry picking clips and continue to suck off Jordan…. Whew.
I guess you can tell, I wasn’t a fan of Jordan either. I liked Len Bias better in college, and my NBA rooting interest have always been the Celtics (Bird) and Spurs(first NBA game I watched live Bullets versus Spurs, George Gervin was the player I emulated most as a kid mainly because of body type, tall and skinny.
Did the Pistons cheat against the teams they beat in the finals?
Nope, so they had talent.
Also Isiah and Laimbeer were innovators in the high screen and roll and Laimbeer shooting those tip toe threes.
If not for the Isiah and the Pistons Jordan wouldn’t be the GOAT.
They made him better, bigger, stronger, mentally tougher, more resilient, and forced him to trust his teammates.
Like him or hate him, you gotta respect him.
I can tell you guys never hooped and just watched from the sidelines. Have no real context of what it was like in that era from a players perspective.
Jordan is great enough, his legacy is set in stone, no need to diss, to punch down on anyone to certify his status as the GOAT.
I was a Celtics fan back then so I'm familiar with Isiah bro, the Lakers used to call us dirty because they were the only team in the league who out ran us, that slow white boy Celtics myth was bs..no bigs ran that lane better than Kevin, Chief and Bird except the Lakers😂roughing them up made them not run so fast and frustrates them, hey if our guys were physically stronger than your guys, guys were allowed to use that strength to an advantage period, the Bulls had enforcers, Oakley and Ed Neely, how many baskets did any one see The Human Bruise make? He was on the team cause he had fouls to dish out😅no one told the Bulls to trade all their tough guys.😂😂
Lucky for lebron, he didn't have to play in the 80s and 90s
Had he played back then...oh boy one can only imagine. LeCrumpled
As big as lebron is he would adjust to the times. Y'all act like he would get in a time machine and just be in the old NBA
@@user-qr5iu4lw2yI believe they meant his mentality is too weak for that era
@@livurdreamz I believe he does what he does now because he grew up in this era. If he grew up in a tougher time, he would have a tougher mentality. And his size would be a big problem for others on both sides of the floor
@@user-qr5iu4lw2y possibly... however I respectfully disagree with that...
The rules weren't changed for Jordan. The rules were changed BECAUSE of the Pistons. Big difference.
Well said
The rules weren't changed at all. Just enforced
@@scottdowdy3563 Not true, they implemented the flagrant foul rules before the 90-91 season after they were sick of seeing the Pistons winning by being so dirty. Not surprising that they lost a lot of their effectiveness now that tacking people mid air would lead to free throws and the ball while also leading to potential ejections and suspensions as well.
@cobra7282 Flagrant fouls were half the story. No one talks about the illegal defense rule, effectively preventing double teaming.
@donovanwilliams9006 people were double teamed all the time back then.
"Straight up Bitches!"
Horace Grant FTW!!
Ain’t keep that energy when jordan went crying to stern badmouthing the pistons and calling them illegitimate champs , matter of fact they were all real quiet when mahorn was throwing them around
@@andresdelportillo9917 No need to 'keep that energy' at all.
lol
I need part 2 of thsi series ASAP because it just that good! Great Job Love your Work
Thank you
@@AngryOldHoopsYes it is ridiculous how people try to rewrite history. The Detroit Pistons were an inferior team. They definitely cheated to beat Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls. Michael Jordan PAVED THE WAY FOR KOBE BRYANT AND LEBRON JAMES TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Without the flagrant foul rules Detroit Pistons style basketball would have made lesser teams beat more talented teams by just knocking Kobe Bryant and Lebron James on the floor LITERALLY 15 to 20 times a game.
my other theory about this is if Detroit doesn't make that decision that series in 89 I truly believe jeff and the bull could have taking it which would have been UNBELIEVABLE but I totally seeing things happen that way MEANING The Bulls would have faced the lakers 2yrs earlier PLUS they would have been injured.. so No Magic or Byron Scott vs. the Doug Collins Coached Michael Jordan Bulls... who do you think would have won that series??? hears a clue.. when Detroit face the Lakers the Lakers got swept.... Jeff gets his first of many titles Collins is still the coach and an interesting new MJ timeline is formed lol...
Jordan, Bird, Wilkens all those guys were great. I loved the bad boys too. They pushed it as far as they could and get away with. The golden era of basketball. The only part i dislike is when they praise Lefraud.
If anyone was taking advantage of the rules, it was the Pistons. Since there was no definition of a “flagrant foul”, they used this “loophole” to brutalize the other team. Typically, after a “hard foul”, then a goon would follow up as a bonus hit or 2 or more guys would tag team whoever was being fouled and only one foul was issued.
Not only were the Pistons recognized by the NFL Raiders team, they gloated about it. Bill Laimbeer even had his own video game “Combat Basketball”
Lebron GOAT fans logic: Telling truth and/or objective criticism = HATIN'
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 really: this is your reply? I won't address this because this has been debunked before and all of your facts are out of context and are irrelevant
STOP BEING DELUSIONAL
@@vicepresidentmikepence889
2007 Cleveland Cavaliers were 2nd seed.
Fail.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889
LEBRON JAMES FAIL, indeed.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889MJ23 BOSS GOAT. LBJ did not make the playoffs his first two years. MJ23 is the BOSS of all GOATS 🐐 MJ23
@@vicepresidentmikepence889it takes the whole team to win something you obviously don't understand
Seriously, in response to Isiah saying everyone took the beating, I'd be interested to see the highlight reel of other players taking the beating MJ took
The Pistons Kelp Dominique Wilkins Hurt All The Time. When We Played Them In The Playoffs. Jordan Was The Only One Crying And Complaining All The Time Because He Wonted To Win Championship But Detroit Pistons Was In The Way. Don't Look At The Hits Watch The Games Please. They Show The Hits 3 Maybe 4 All Seasons Please Watch The Games.
@@marlontroy2064 PUT YOURSELF IN HIS SHOES, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I DON'T THINK HE CRIED ABOUT IT, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. THE LEAGUE WAS TIRED OF THIS BEHAVIOR. ISIAH WITH HIS DIRTY TEAMMATES ARE NOT EVEN KNOWN FOR THEIR CHIPS TODAY, ALLLLL THERE KNOWN FOR TODAY IS BEING A DIRTY TEAM. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CRYING, WHEN KARL MALONE BUST HIS HEAD OPEN, THE BITCH IN HIM CAME OUT & HE CRIED TO THE ALMIGHTY THAT IT WAS DIRTY, WHAT MALONE DID TO HIM. THE BITCH CAN DISH IT OUT, BUT THE BITCH COULDN'T TAKE IT. IF YOU CAN'T WIN FAIRLY, YOU CAN ALLLLLWAYS CHEAT. HIM & HIS DIRTY ASS TEAMMATES WAS PLAYING FOOTBALL, THIS GAME IS CALLED BASKETBALL. HIM & HIS COWARDLY TEAMMATES DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FAIR, IF YOUR TEAM WAS A THREAT, INJURE THE COMPETITION. THAT'S WHY NOBODY WANTED HIS DIRTY ASS ON THE OLYMPIC TEAM. BRINGING HIS BAD VIBES TO A TEAM THAT BROUGHT BASKETBALL AROUND THE WORLD.
@marlontroy2064 you might want to go back and watch the games. Detroit never changed the way they played the bulls. The bulls just started fighting back.
They beat Thomas up too
I don't see beatings on a game to game basis, maybe two instances per year. The highlights of Jordan were kept to immortalize Jordan. Don't be blind to the original man the NBA marketed before LeBron
Jordan still averaged 37 points before they changed the rules.
Hahahah Isiah Thomas picture is the definition 🤣 I’m dead laughing 💀
This is gold. Especially Isaiah getting called out during his apology to Larry.
This by far is one of your best videos...great content of what really happened. Pistons were brutal.
glad you liked it
The interview that Isaiah did with Larry is exactly the number 1 reason why Larry did not want Isaiah on the 92 dream team
So I suppose they changed the rules for Lebron when they made it impossible to actually defend the lane.....no they did it to up scoring, just like they changed the rules to protect the players. This is a response to the people who disagree with you just FYI, keep up the amazing work!
They changed the rules for Bron so you can go tell on somebody who called you a bad name on the court. 🍼😭 forget clotheslining him, you can't call him a bad word or it'll hurt his feeling
@@ijamorris3449 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 LOVE IT!!!
They changed the rules because the Pistons were seriously trying to hurt MJ. They were by far the dirtiest team to ever step on the floor and the only way to stop MJ was to try to seriously injure him
Hurry up with those videos cuz you're speaking truth
Thank you. WIsh I could do this full time, but it's zero income.
The play you pointed out is my favorite Jordan play all time. I always felt the same way, that he expected the flagrant and didn’t dunk it but instead spun and reversed it behind him for the and one #Legend #23 #MJ
Joe dumars was probably the only clean defensive player
What's funny is when Isiah said Bird and the others celtics didn't shake their hand was his example, he forgot to put context on it. Bird and the Celtics didn't respect their game so why the hell would they shake their hands?
I'm not gonna say if the Celtics were justified in walking off or not, but it was one time by one team and Zeke doesn't get to claim that's how everyone did it back then because of that one time.
Isiah is dumb for saying that. So let's deflect to what someone else did to explain my behavior. I could see how to an idiot like Zeke that would make total sense.
@@AngryOldHoopsThe other part of that is after the physical beatings and losses, Jordan always shook Detroit's hands. Isiah's excuse is what Jordan said about the Pistons prior to finishing the sweep. So again, regardless of what you thought Boston did, that's not Jordan who even in defeat always shook hands. Just a sorry individual Zeke is...
@@AngryOldHoopshowever it was the so called "passing the torch moment" after the Celtics were dethroned. The whole handshake thing is so petty. Do whatever you want idc it's America.
Chuck Daily told Isiah Thomas not to leave the court as such a idiot. Look at the end of the game before one minute left
OK, I gotta go look at that
Players confirm this as well
"If you can't beat him.....beat him up." - Detroit Sad Boys
Thank you for telling the truth on zeke, he says everybody was getting beat down in those days, that's a lie
Fr it's just them
Great point on Jordan's 360 layup on Laimbeer. Today's fans would scoff and say that "80% of players today" can pull that move without realizing the reason Jordan pulled that move. He was avoiding a flagrant foul, so today's players wouldn't even have to pull that move. And today's players wouldn't be as bold going to the lane if they knew they could get clobbered. They would stand and shoot low percentage shots like the players of the early 2000s did. Early 2000s wasn't really a tougher defense era,.
Thanks for your video! I couldn't stop laughing every time I saw some damn kids posting about how soft MJ's era was. Thanks for educating today's sad generation. I'm glad that we have witnessed the best basketball era. I rarely watched NBA nowadays since it's way too boring. 3-pt shootouts and flops throughout the entire game... No thanks!
Someone once said they were plumbers. My response was Charles Oakley is 60yrs old right now. I DARE YOU call him a plumber
But before you fo, let me get popcorn
League scoring avg went down in the 90s. Jordans scoring avg went down in the 90s just like everyone else's scoring avg. Wouldn't changing the rules for Jordan have the opposite effect of his avg going up...
smart
A few people have mentioned this in the past. The rule change for MJ thing is a non issue and isn't to be acknowledged. But like everything that's a non issue with Jordan, these clowns try to make it one...
Jordan's scoring average went down when the bulls implemented the triangle offense, which distributed the ball more so other teams couldn't just beat on jordan. That is why his averages went down.
Thank you. Spot on. Fans who didn’t watch back then just don’t get it. MJ couldn’t win without Pippen growing some balls!!!
An AOH video is always a blast 🎉
I understand why the pistons played like they did, and they had an insanely difficult defense to play against, but the rule change doesn't suddenly mean there was Jordan bias at the pistons' expense.
If you tackle someone like that multiple times in a game where it's not permitted, like soccer, you will be removed from the game for being violent and subverting the game. Tackling someone like that as they try to score is cheating the game and threatening injury. Those fouls not being addressed was a problem that had to be fixed.
The fact that Isiah Thomas and Jordan haters try and use that against him and say that the sport favored Jordan is straight up disrespect and cheating apoligism. There would've been no Jordan to speak of if that pistons play continued. He wouldve been removed to a head or leg injury pretty soon, and robbing the game of its competition and rewarding violence over skill.
Isiah Thomas is right about the not shaking hands point and they show in this Bad Boys documentary the time that some of the Celtics and some of the Pistons didn't shake hands after the Pistons beat them.
You can see Bird walk straight off the court but, Isiah is making it seem as if not shaking hands or congratulating the other team was the norm. Isiah and Lambeer not taking responsibility for what they did in the league isn't shocking, especially from Lambeer. He was a rich kid/bully that didn't even need to play basketball.
And why did most of the Celtics walk off court early and not shake hands?
@@Sf75178probably because most, if not all of the Pistons, were a-holes on the court. Lol
So the pistons just had to follow suit against the Bulls, not the Celtics the team that didn't shake they're hands. MJ shook you all's hands even after the dirty sh*t you all did to him.
@@CasualGamerPlays the Celtics were warned by their security team that the detroit fans were going to go wild at the end of the game so would be safer to go straight to change rooms.
So Celtics and Pistons walking off is not the same and no comparison
@@Sf75178 cool, thanks for the insight .You probably should go tell Isiah that because that's not how he looked at it and Isiah himself in the Last Dance mentioned the walk off but, didn't give anymore context to why the Celtics walked off without shaking hands, only that the Celtics lost and didn't shake hands. But i'll go research what you've given me
Jordan took his shit like a man but them bad boy pistons was locking him fown
They had a great defensive team for sure
This is a treasure because truth can be hard to find nowadays
I just discovered this channel and it's my new favorite! One day when kids today are old like us, and the media pisses all over Lebum and Curry they will finally regret eating from the media's hand. Until then I will endure, smh, and save my arguments for adults.
This is so good I don't know where to begin except say thank you.
Lebron would have sat out every game against the pistons. His phantom injuries would flare up
I love you man. I am 57 years old, I witness all 80's and 90's basketball up till today and I never ever hear so true and sincere assessment about that era.
Great job man.
I am with you all the way.
And you have a new subscriber for life.
That's for damn sure.
NOW LEBUM.... WAS travelling 4-5 steps allowed before LEbron, when did THAT appear again ?
When did Elbows and Charges start being Ignored?
When did the flopping take off?
HMm, yes, they changed the game for JORDAN 😂😂😂
WONDER if shoe was on the other foot, and It was ISIAH getting that treatment instead of giving it...wonder how HE would handle it?
There's that time Karl Malone gave him stitches, but it wasn't a "team strategy" by the Jazz. I think Karl just got sick of him.
@@AngryOldHoops😂😂 I cant imagine why , what Did he EVER do to annoy anyone
In my experience Bullies turn into the cry baby pretty quick once you whoop them.
ALWAYS love to dish it out but cant take it in my experience.
I am being patient and taking these an episode at a time, but you are on it.
Nice stuff. Never looked at the epic spin layup that way... N I unfortunately agree.. he did it to avoid a damn elbow... N it's scary to imagine... What if he did connect... Coulda been BAD.
I watched the Jordan's historic Bulls mixtape numerous times. That play was featured in it. Eventually i started focusing on Laimbeer instead of Jordan, and that's when it became clear to me that Laimbeer was going in for one of his more patented dirty plays.
All they changed was flagrant fouls were added. Changed the rules? 😂
The Knicks played very physical, but they weren't dirty. They committed hard fouls within the play, not outside of the play. The Pistons would literally foul without making a play on the ball & then another guy would take a another shot after the foul was called on the 1st guy.
Isaiah has said Celtics and Lakers were only competion yet in the 2 years they won Bulls won 7 games and rest if teams they faced won 2.
Isaiah sad Jordan was a cry baby about Pistons yet clearly he was not only one not happy with them. Bird and Celtics often got the worst of Pistons
Can't wait for the next part !! Keep doing the Lord's work, these videos are amazing !!
New sub.. about 2 weeks old.... great channel.... a breath of fresh air 💪 💪
Funny thing I was thinking about this today after watching a young kid say that having Lebron guarantees you a path to the finals.
Does anyone think that Lebron could have beaten the teams that kept Jordan out of the finals without a lot of help? (yes, they do, but they are either ignorant or delusional) Conversely, do they really think that Jordan couldn't carry an average team through to the finals against the same teams that Lebron beat early in his career. (yes, again, they do delusionally believe that). How many teams did Lebron beat in the playoffs who didn't even have winning records? How many of those teams were explicitly trying to stop Lebron by injuring him? It really is mind-blowing that they can not see this.
On another point, these people like to say that Lebron could score as much as Jordan if he focused on scoring. MAYBE he could. But they also say that he is a WAY BETTER passer and facilitator. Can't the same argument be made the other way? Jordan could have just as many assists and be as good of a facilitator of the offense if that was his primary focus. There is evidence that this is probably true, based on the short amount of time that he played point guard. So you cant say the only reason Lebron doesn't score as much as Jordan is because it's not his primary focus and then dog Jordan for not equalling Lebron in an area which was not his primary focus.
The thing with LeBron is that you never actually get to know what HE COULD DO because he goes and assembles teams with the best players in the league. It's not like he gets good players and develops them, he goes out and gets the competition to join him rather than overcome them. It's more about what LeBron's super teams can do.
He also uses the talent of his superstar teammates to pad his own stats while their stats diminish with each passing year. That's why I call LeBron the Vampire LeStat. He only cares about his stats. He drains players and front offices of their talent, and then he moves on to greener pastures.@@AngryOldHoops
Jimmy Butler took two Cinderella teams to the NBA finals over the past five years, while beating teams like Giannis' Bucks and Tatum's Celtics.
Butler is the guy who many jokingly refer to as "MJ's son". But somehow some folks also think that the actual Michael Jordan wouldn't be able to equal or surpass Butler's feat? 🤔
Jordan took his beating and still was sportsman-like to the same people that were trying to hurt him...
but the bitch boy pistons could not man up and congratulate the bulls when the bulls eliminated them??
Jordan was right to get isaiah kicked off the olympic team.
Jordan was a better man that I would have been.
And the funny thing that it’s not even Jordan. It’s the whole dream team. And Jordan let the coach (ironically bad boys coach in Detroit) and the committee pick the team. Basically MJ was like I’m not dictating who you pick or not pick, but if he’s picked, fine! I’m not gonna play. I’m alright not playing.
It wasn't only Jordan that didn't want Isaiah on the team...no men of character fvck with two faced snakes like Zeke.
The most provocative and accurate analogies iv'e ever heard. You speak absolute sense. Thank you for pointing out reality to all of those who think todays game is better than the Jordan era
The entire league was sick of Detroit being dirty. They introduced flagrant fouls in 1991. Rodman won DPOY. Rodman and Dumars were both All-Defense but with flagrants they couldn't hurt people anymore so their rein was over at that point.
AOHF, keep up your good work bro. Now I just believe that you just had to see it at the time. It's so easy to be critical if Nick Wrong & Shannon Sharpeless tells you that 80's and 90's basketball was trash. But when the next real baller comes I hope that era call LBJ's generation soft. KD was crap cos he was 180lbs. Westbrook was a turnover machine. This generation has set the bar so low for LBJ they forget that is what history will dictate.
No disrespect to KD or Westbrook as I do rate them in this era 🇯🇲🏴
Love your content my man. Got you on subscribe with NOTIFICATIONS ON.
Thank you. WIsh I could do this full time, but it's zero income.
@@AngryOldHoops Believe me, i know all about that.
Jordan was playing 82 games a year.Laimbeer never missed a game due to injury. I don't remember any players missing games as a result of a Laimbeer foul .NBA was brutal(Isiah had 19 operations)but the players were passionate and the games were very entertaining. NBA today should draft Candice Parker
She would be safe
Just found your channel and BOY oh BOY is it refreshing. I so appreciate your analysis. Keep up the good work.
Wow look at all those tender hits on Jordan. No way that could effect game play. What a soft era. Larry too. He took some hits as well.
Larry had his blood drawn with broken noses, bloody lips, and large scratches. He got held by Barkley and Moses Malone while Dr J punched him in the face. Then there were all the hits from Laimbeer.
Gilbert (I never accomplished anything in my life) Arenas
the thing I remember most about mahorn was when he was traded to philly and he and zeke got into a fight(well, IT was doing all the fighting) and mahorn was holding the ball up like he was keeping the ball away from a kid(zeke).. and zeke got mad and started punching rick(and he connected multiple times too) and mahorn was just laughing while holding isaiah's shirt.. it was funny as hell watching that.. ♥️🤣
Perfect timing. Preach.
“Well, I’m not gonna behave that way. I’m gonna behave in a way that I think is appropriate.” 16:00
Man, this is just good life advice right here.
Had to give you thumbs up on this one. A great point on how when the Pistons fouled, they weren't playing the ball at all. They were playing rugby rules and these rules were illegal. This explains how when the league started actually enforcing the rules which didn't allow the Pistons to cheat, they got swept. There's a different in playing hard nose defense and just flat out cheating in close lining people driving the lane. This makes me appreciate the 2004 Pistons a lot more as they truly played great defense to win.
Thank God somebody can make sense of the B.S!!!
Ah... finally some more AOH. Thanks for the upload brother
The way the Pistons played was within the rules. Dont give players 5 free fouls if they're not allowed to use them. This isn't ballet. It's a contact sport.
On that famous play of Jordan and Laimbeer, Bill tries to hook Jordan with his foot too. Laimbeer had the intention of committing like 5 different hard fouls and whiffed on every one of them!
Excellent video.
A great video. One of the best.
I also have thought the same thing about the Laimbeer play
New sub, love your videos you’re hilarious but so on point. I’m binging the videos. The wig with sunglasses and sippin beer 🍺 is hilarious! 😂
"It looks like James driving to the basket".
Best line of the whole video. And absolutely true.
I love your content, Stay true!
People actually pretend that Lebron faced this type of adversity, and make fun of Jordan for not being able to play through "Jordan rules" without a second all star 🤦🏿♂️
THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH FOR COVERING THE DETAILS OF THIS NARRATIVE.
I cant express how much happy I am as I have been very tired of trying to point this out in every discussion about this 'they changed the rules for Jordan' argument.
They have been pointing out the implementation of flagrant2 foul to help MJ win.
Like these physical plays used to be okay before that... geez!
Every single word of this video was 100% troof. The bleeping while you were drinking had me rolling 😂
Thank you thank you thank you so much for this video
The Bulls would've swept the Pistons if they were playing by todays rules. All those hits and grabs above the neck would have been flagrant 2's. Half Detroits roster would've been ejected and suspended multiple games.
The NBA changed the football rules on the Pistons so Jordan could compete against the Pistons but the league changed to rules to a no touch league because Lebron can’t shoot in a shooters era 😅
Jordan was already competing with them, he still was efficient his team did not step up when needed
Dude mike was already killing them!that’s why they had to come up with some thug shit.on the playground we coming with the guns!
What was the rule change for Jordan? The exact rule change, please.
@@stevensmith7191 there was no rule change for mike!the only thing that changed was to enforce flagrant foul because the sad boys could not stop him no other way other than to use football style defense on him and straight thug style defense on him.after all that they still couldn’t stop him!
Remember when chuck said Jordan wasn't doing a good job as a GM and Jordan never spoke to one of his best friends he had again? Some people love the drama.
@7:25 That is god!!! I.Q. on the court! Not only that but the talent to follow thru!! Didn't realize how many corrections were made mid play!!! And I saw that live!! Thank you for this!
Prior to the Jordan Rules-- which I was outraged by even as a lifelong Knicks fan (don't laugh)-- I observed that Jordan's dribbling ability was enhanced because ball-handling rules had been loosened. I call it the Magic Effect, because Magic Johnson was allowed to hold his dribble longer as he was backing down the shorter defender towards the top of the key. Imagine the freedom Jordan had been given. While I hated what the league allowed those punks to do (Dumars being the notable exception in my opinion) to Jordan, I think in some minds there was justification for it. This is to take nothing away from Jordan's greatness-- in fact, as others have mentioned it only enhances his legend for what that warrior endured.
All they did was change flagrants from a fine to an in-game penalty.
Because, yeah, flagrants weren't supposed to be part of the game. It's just clear the fines weren't preventing it.
For the argument that Jordan won the championship because of the rule change to be even 1% plausible, Chicago would have had to have lost a near-sweep to Detroit until the '90 playoffs.
The fact is that during the 89 & 90 playoffs, Detroit had a 30-7 record, with five of those losses coming to Chicago.
In particular in 1989, when all the teams, including LA, who were in the finals, were swept by Detroit, only Chicago gave Detroit lost twice even though they lost 2-4. In three wars between 1988 and 1990, Chicago was in the process of gradually overcoming Detroit with scores of 1-4(88'), 2-4(89'), and 3-4(90'). And it was only a matter of time before they surpassed them.
Another blame was spoken by Wilt Chamberlain at the NBA's 50th anniversary in 1997 saying that while the rules were changed to weaken him when 1960', the current league(90') has changed them to help Jordan.
I don't mind a rule change to weaken Wilt in the 60s, but a rule change in the 90s? Wilt must have been moved by the Bad Boys' complaints.
i just remembered on a video wherein bill laimbeer was punched by parish. "nba" was pissed off with dp or maybe just to laimbeer that it was not called a foul. they just wait him to recover then resume play
Yeah that was epic, Chief brought him down and nobody even blinked, not even the other Pistons complained.
Yeah, I saw that. Pretty crazy.
12min..laimbeer gave mike a nouggiee