@@Sir.VicsMasher 👀 I use feeler gauge and a straight edge to check for flat. the straight edge was made flat by the machine shop to a low tolerance. 👀 but will that cause oiling issues?
What I find most impressive with these engines is they make all that power with total timing only in the 20's range! Old style small block Chevys always need 34-36 degrees total timing.
They're absolutely bulletproof, built off of an absolute work horse of an engine (the LQ4) but with higher compression they're literally asking to be built and abused
So you guys are telling me that I should play with mine more?? Haha! I only put a small 550 lift Texas speed cam in mine. Still have to work on tuning it.
@@davidellyson8815 550 is a good size. You should look into a set of prc225 heads. Or ported set of 243s. Look up Richard holdener he breaks down ways to make power thru cams and heads.
It was in my plow truck and it had a shit ton of hard hours on it. I live up in the northeast and we had quite a lot of blizzards and Nor'easters.....and this truck just powered straight on thru.
I'm about 2 weeks away from my dyno day and I cant wait!!! Gotta lq9, tsp torquer V4 cam, mahle power pak forged pistons, ported and polished 799 heads, .650 lift dual springs, trunion kit, dorman ls3 intake. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. It's going in a 350Z
I just did a cam swap on an LS but didn't have to remove oil pump or oil pan. But on an LS with a double roller timing set I did have to remove the oil pump to cam swap.
Great test this is what a lot of LS guys want to see and build fir themselves... I personally would like to see a custom spec cam just to compare ... thanks guys
Steven, I had the exact same thought. He should have said to rotate the crankshaft, my opinion. Like Austin said, turning engine upside down would work and you would want to completely drain all of the engine oil as well. Still risky either way, but a big payoff for time saving if it works. Thanx for the post.
Hey guys, what they should have done is stuck 5/16” rods into the oil galleys and that would be impossible for the lifters to fall out and only takes about 5 seconds. However they were quietly confident the new lifter trays would hold the lifters from falling.
Spirit of 76 I understand the age part because I remember when at the Barber Shop my dad, brother, & I went to, he also was our black & white TV repairman, my dad would give me a nickel so I could get a nehi grape from the crank drink box. That was a real treat. Hot Rods were jacked up in front back then also. Thankfully by the time I got my driver's license that practice had reversed to the big meats we put out back would clear the fenders. I made a few good cheap rides ride like a log wagon which I wouldn't do now but man the only thing cooler than a pair of N 50's out back was if you could roast them and I won't go into the story's. I hate it that the smarty-pants investors caused the cool cars to go through the roof $$$ but then, I reckon that's why there's so many of them still stashed because there worth too much to end up at the junkyard and the crusher. I could tell about the time when an acquaintance of mine his dad stole a 392 hemi from me, I best stop because, not enough space and time here. We were blessed to live in an age that we got to experience such fine machines. ?🤔? Now what am I going to put that 454 into?🤔? 😆 Maybe a simple 😎 T-Bucket. If ya gotum, smokeum 😆👍
@@jerryhayden8720 If you were born in the 60s, 1960s cars were just 20 year old used cars in the high school 1980s. Great time to be into cars. Lots of cool tin for a couple grande, or even less. Wheels, fat tires, cams, carbs, dual exhaust, and stereos. That's all that most of us did to them, if that. And most of us want our high school cars back if we could get our hands on them.
@@Spiritof_76 1957 so not a lot later. Like I said I can remember seeing a car occasionally that had the frontend up higher than the rear end. We were lucky to live in this era.👍
@@p.b.sHUNTING if the dowels broke off then either A: the person doing the job is an idiot and shouldn't be doing said job or B: theres much bigger problems in the oil galleys since a 5/16 dowel is not a tight fit. It's just enough to hold the lifters up. Been doing it that way for over 15 years. Relighing on a lifter tray to hold the lifters up is just stupid.
There was no need to pull the oil pump, I’ve done several of these swaps, just unbolt the cam gear , let it drop then remove the chain , rebolt the cam gear , spin the cam the quickly remove and install new cam
We didn't see the bottom pulley go back on ,if it's adjustable the oil pump would have to come off. If it is not adjustable then your right the pump wouldn't have to come off
never seen you guys do a higher-end build with fuel injection as we do on the streets. something like a tbss swap to see the difference between your carb/throttle body setup and stock truck or car intakes. 3/16 - 5/16 dowels are good to make sure the lifters stay up in the trays. i use wood ones so that way they don't damage a lifter if I bump into one of them. good video though.
@@vegeto186 ive seen the basic ones where it's a carb intake and a stock truck or car. what they haven't done is compare a bunch of them and show the difference between power, cost, and tuning time.
61 cubic inches in a liter time is 6.0 that’s amazing power on carburetor that means 500hp all day with fuel injection and ported heads with 95mm throttle body.
I'm always excited (at first) when I see these videos until I get to the part where you bolt a toilet on top of it. Lets see a LQ9 build with a Holley Terminator LS MPFI Kit. Now that's worth watching.
@@realazliving I would be interested to see evidence of that, as the tests I have seen run the lowest performing FI ( the ls1) intake was on par with the highest performing single plane carb manifold.
@@jefflee8924 that has never happened ever. It’s against the rules of physics. FI is more able to adapt to different conditions without help. That’s why it is popular. You take a decent hit on horsepower to use it though. The atomization of fuel is worse, and there’s no cooling of the charge. Yes, it is easier to ignore. No, it is not as powerful.
@@realazliving th-cam.com/video/6Ejbwy0srmY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=w-7lY0cD0fMO8bfT The carb stuff starts around the 19:50 mark. Keep in mind the FI intake (the ls1) being used is the lowest performing FI manifold of all. The beginning of the video will show the comparisons between the factory FI intakes.
I was very impressed with your backyard build. And ended up with you, ended up with in horses power. That350 would blow this LS out of the water!!! Great job guys. Keep it up.😁
@@jpharmon7343 yes it’ll definitely push an s10 down the road pretty good. I have a 98 with a 1st gen sbc 350 and vortec heads. It’s runs pretty decent but that 6.0 is the superior engine. One day I’d like to swap one in.
@@romper4444 a L92 or Ls3 head would make more power. Even a ported cathedral will make more power. Will it be worth the money is up to the individual. But the fact still remains more power is to be had with the other heads.
@@thabiznizz sure u can always make more power, but why, defeats the whole purpose of this engine, 100hp with a cam and some bolt ons, why would u bother. The stock heads have airflow to support 500hp, my point was the heads are not a restriction and not hurting power production like smogger engines where's it's absolutely necessary to swap heads. 👍
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Just FYI the "proper" way to do the cam swap is with pulling the oil pump. However; it isn't required, just gotta get fancy with getting the gears back lined up
Price range for the long block and finishing pieces probably in the 16k range, for that price I've seen turn key 572 big block Chevy with 600hp on GMs web site.
@@joshtheking1772 But the 5.3L is aluminum, and historically less reliable than the 6.0, so my personal preference is the iron LQ9. I don't think the difference for the build would be "way" cheaper, but the harder you push that 5.3, the more expensive parts you'll need and net less reliability.
@@reviewaccount469 the 5.3 is also iron. FYI, Incidentally, some rare 4.8L/5.3L iron block castings can be bored all the way out to the 6.0L engine's 4.0-inch bore size. As reported by Lingenfelter Racing's Jason Haines, that's because (you guessed it), this is a rare universal casting used interchangeably at the foundry to make 4.8-, 5.3- or 6.0L engines. Look for "4.3L-5.3L-6.0L" (all three displacement designators) cast into the block's front passenger side.
@@BrockGrimes They did make Gen III & IV 5.3s in aluminum and iron, but only trucks got the iron ones, everything else got the aluminum ones. Since 2014 however (Gen V) the 5.3 has been ALL aluminum. I'd suggest anyone wanting to buy a 5.3 for a build to do their own research and not rely on one or 2 comments under a TH-cam video. I would still rather buy a 6.0 LQ9 that I know is stout and IRON.
A little bit over cammed with the heads unable to flow enough to support the very high lift camshaft. I would be very dissatisfied with the HP with at least 480 expected with the correctly specified camshaft. 😎🇦🇺
you should try building a 2.0t ecotec b207r. or the older 2.3l B235R both engines are abundant an cheap. they used them in multiple platforms an have forced induction or good displacement. looking at its stats a bigger cam with more boost should easily add 100 hp to either engine.
In 2024 that long block from Oriellys is 10k after tax. That's not including the additional 3k+ in parts added. For that price I can easily buy a complete 650HP+ drop in.
I'd like to see an LQ4/LQ9 with a BTR "Truck Norris" cam & Trick Flow 255 heads on the dyno. Just curious about that combination for a daily use SUV or truck.
Those heads would be to big for that ci motor and cam and I believe TFS255s are ls3 rectangle port. Truck Norris would be good with 220 or 225 heads or some ported 243s. TFS has a kit with their 225 heads that make 500+ hp. Look up Richard holdener trick flow 225 vs ls3 head comparison you might find that video informational.
Can you all do the toyota 4.7 DOHC, came in the 2005-07 4 runners. Belt drivven, they are solid motors, ultra reliable. Just curious what kind of power you can get out of it.
I completely understand that slapping a carburetor on is easy for the show, but I'm tired of seeing it. EFI is just as easy IMO and offers more control and monitoring than a carb. For an engine that already came EFI and for a service that is offering remanufactured engines (likely for replacement), I would think comparing it to it's stock counterpart would be the best option.
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What should they put instead ? Just pour in with a straw ? Carb is base line cheap... EFI alot more expensive complex.. Start at bottom work up... Duh...
@@1BigDaDo EFI comes stock on that engine. You just replaced the manifold, carb, and added electronic ignition. Using stock parts from that motor is actually easier. In fact, to go with the theme of "remanufactured", source used parts that people are practically giving away from their own upgrades or source them from a salvage yard. To do this properly, you'd still have to tune the carb. Why not skip all of that and just use it as intended. Even the factory ECU can be flashed.
As a GM dealer tech for over 30 years , I have installed lots of LQK engines ,with no problems after the install .Note the two holes right and left of cam ,are for long wood'in dowels rods . To stop lifters from dropping down into block ,while changing camshaft . Also noted by @jonjon2066 . Just think around 5k spent and you have a just under 500hp engine .Another great P/Nation video .
@@bigboreracing356 Not so , I worked as a Dealer tech in GM Dealerships for over 3 decades ,rebuilding and repair countless engines under warranty and cash paying .Never have I seen even one Mechanic ,degree a cam for a stock engine repair , it's just not necessary . And now after retiring with 47 years under my belt 30 years dealer and 17 city fleet repairs (cop cars and fire trucks ) I will stand by my comment . Yes degree race engines ,and optional on stock engine repairs in the real World .sometimes being anal about some things ,does not always make it right . Just my 2 cents .
@Big Bore Racing minor ampunt was left, couldn't get the degree wheel in the engine bay. My buddy was happy with the results, more than he had and professionally tuned.
@Big Bore Racing no, my comment was that the engine is in a camaro, 6.2L. Not sure where you got the assumption I was working on a truck engine, such as the 4.8 or 5.3 but cool story l guess.
@Big Bore Racing he paid nothing to have it done, his friends all helped and the tune was next to nothing. Nobody wants to have work done by somebody who is being cocky, that isn't a good business model, maybe you should go learn how to do that first. However to stay on topic here, my original comment stands, you don't need to remove the oil pump to change a cam in the engine shown in the video, why you decided to go off on a tangent is beyond me. Glad you are a certified youtube mechanic.
So when I did the cam swap no issues with the motor but I used LS7 lifters first and I used new trunion upgrade from Michigan Motorsports. I found 2 collapsed lifters so I too all the LS7 lifters out and went to stock Melling lifters but ever since the cam I get weird tick but it’s all the rocker arms. Does anyone else have this issue? 6.0 LQ4 , Truck Norris Cam, Stock pushrods, trunion upgrade stock lifters.
@@jeffnewton3507 Power Torque Long Block Part #: LQ9LB1 Line: PTQ ☆☆☆☆☆ No rating value for Power Torque Long Block(0) $9,050.00 Each Maybe this one is new, and not remanufactured?
@@PlugInRides That one you are talking about is a 550 hp LQ4 that Power Torque makes with aftermarket heads and cam already installed. They used a stock remanufactured LQ9 for their project.
a friend of mine bought a trade engine from one of these big magazine stores and had nothing but problems with it they had a used Cam and a brand new supposedly rebuilt engine the bearings on the camshaft wearing change little metal wires from the wire brush that they cleaned it with debris stuck under the main bearings you know it's just bad I'd rather have a rebuilt engine by a trusted engine builder than ever by a mail order crappy engine again
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I noticed that the painted screws and bolts are flaking and chipping away all over the motor. They did a close up when installing the intake manifold and there was plenty of flakes everywhere. I'm surprised they didn't catch that.
Too bad Canada doesn’t have an O’Reilly Auto Parts store. We have to order performance parts from a Speed Shop or from my favourite online store, Summit Racing.
with that cam, the heads are the limiting factor. I bet if the performance cam intake had been symmetrical with the exhaust at 239dg each @.050 with the existing lift and a cnc'ed stock head or aftermarket head had been used, it would have gone 505-510 hp at 6300.
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@@Selkirk69 don't you like music? The Beatles? It's an interview with the famous film director that just released the movie, :GeT Back." The Let It Be movie by the Beatles!
I don't know what engine to put in my project car. Nova sedan motor budget 5k under and big block. Nothing crazy, daily driver, but do want some power.
Northstar had that one issue as it's Achilles heal. And when it happens it SUCKS to fix other than they they're pretty cool
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@@KingJT80 and what 1 problem was that?the way it was over engineered ?or the over heating?burning oil?or the serve carbon build up?...or do you mean,how they can't hold a head gasket for sh!t?lol....take your 1 pick 😉
This is exactly what I am using / doing with my LS swap, cammed LQ9 however, I am going fuel injection. I am curious as to what this motor would have done FI. Thanks.
Same overall power, except fuel injection might give you better fuel economy and throttle response
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@@mikejohnson699 I'm not sure that's true, considering they didn't attempt to custom jet the carb. EFI would allow a perfect mixture under full throttle, and usually results in power gains at the expense of increased cost and complexity. A carb is almost always a compromise on power, drivability and fuel economy.
@@PlugInRides Yes, I can agree. This was neat simply because I am doing the very same "upgrades" on mine after a lot of do-diligence. Going in an 83 Camaro with 4L65E. Course, kinda on hold because it is 23 degrees outside, AND in my building. Thank God for global warming.
Long wood dowels work good for holding the lifters up while changing the cam.
Steel fuel line
Anyone else ever timed one of these episodes to see how much of it is an ad?
You would be amazed.
About 33% of the show is spent on ad time so that they can pay for the show
It’s weird, I didn’t get any ads on it today
The whole video is an ad for something, thats how tv shows work...
16:35 You guys have been the only series that continuously shows oil pump shimming. 👍
I ain't never even heard of it. maybe that's why I keep blowing up my Subarus.
@@kidsythe Maybe, does your machine shop deck plate and align hone your block?
@@Sir.VicsMasher 👀 I use feeler gauge and a straight edge to check for flat. the straight edge was made flat by the machine shop to a low tolerance. 👀 but will that cause oiling issues?
Having uneven crank is more important line honing is inportant as it keeps the bearings true. @kidsythe
Heck yeah 🤘 I am building an LQ9 right now
Old friend of mine builds these right out of the junkyard, new cam, intake and carb that makes 540hp on 89 octane. Not bad for under $2000
Right.🤔
…with a warranty?
@@martinthompson2425 Over 200 runs in a season and only changes the oil and spark plugs a few times. Runs mid 10s in a 3000lb 64 Nova
I doubt it without nitrous
2000 plus the cost of junkyard engine
Now my Sunday morning can start, coffee and engine power.... thanks guys, love your content and bad dad jokes
What I find most impressive with these engines is they make all that power with total timing only in the 20's range! Old style small block Chevys always need 34-36 degrees total timing.
Thats because the combustion chambers are very efficient
The ls is a incredible engine.
The Lq9 is probably the most gnarliest, bad ass powerplant. I had one in my sierra and it took tons of abuse.
They're absolutely bulletproof, built off of an absolute work horse of an engine (the LQ4) but with higher compression they're literally asking to be built and abused
So you guys are telling me that I should play with mine more?? Haha!
I only put a small 550 lift Texas speed cam in mine. Still have to work on tuning it.
@@davidellyson8815 550 is a good size. You should look into a set of prc225 heads. Or ported set of 243s. Look up Richard holdener he breaks down ways to make power thru cams and heads.
It was in my plow truck and it had a shit ton of hard hours on it. I live up in the northeast and we had quite a lot of blizzards and Nor'easters.....and this truck just powered straight on thru.
Mines about to turn over a half million k, breakin records
I'm about 2 weeks away from my dyno day and I cant wait!!! Gotta lq9, tsp torquer V4 cam, mahle power pak forged pistons, ported and polished 799 heads, .650 lift dual springs, trunion kit, dorman ls3 intake. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. It's going in a 350Z
planning to do this with my g35
How did the build come out? I want to see how that z handles that much power?
@@ectomorphnranger5165 came out good. Fun setup for sure
LS3 intake on 799 heads?
These guys are cool I like all the extra pens they keep in there shirt pocket
I just did a cam swap on an LS but didn't have to remove oil pump or oil pan. But on an LS with a double roller timing set I did have to remove the oil pump to cam swap.
Great test this is what a lot of LS guys want to see and build fir themselves... I personally would like to see a custom spec cam just to compare ... thanks guys
Well I am currently building an LQ9 so this video was nice to watch.
Same here I’m building mine with the same mod but with different brand parts and LQ4 iron heads for demolition derby
I thought they meant “actually turning the motor over” as in upside down, which would keep those lifters in their bores and out of the way.
that would actually work as well
Steven, I had the exact same thought. He should have said to rotate the crankshaft, my opinion. Like Austin said, turning engine upside down would work and you would want to completely drain all of the engine oil as well. Still risky either way, but a big payoff for time saving if it works. Thanx for the post.
@@kevinknight470 th-cam.com/video/j74MxGo7GfU/w-d-xo.html
I was thinking the exact same thing. should work just fine if you had that option to do so like they did here but didn’t do.
Hey guys, what they should have done is stuck 5/16” rods into the oil galleys and that would be impossible for the lifters to fall out and only takes about 5 seconds. However they were quietly confident the new lifter trays would hold the lifters from falling.
I'm going to be putting a LQ9 motor in my 1989 c4 corvette to replace the sluggish L98. I hope to get 500hp with the right modifications out of it.
Try several (16) telescoping pocket magnets to hold the lifters in place. I'm sure Pat has enough in his pocket...
Good stuff
Great idea!
I thought the pie joke was pretty good. Made me chuckle a little. It's been one of those days and a little humor is good.👍
Amen, Jerry!
It's an old joke from Hee Haw or The Electric Company. (Showing my age...)
Spirit of 76 I understand the age part because I remember when at the Barber Shop my dad, brother, & I went to, he also was our black & white TV repairman, my dad would give me a nickel so I could get a nehi grape from the crank drink box. That was a real treat. Hot Rods were jacked up in front back then also. Thankfully by the time I got my driver's license that practice had reversed to the big meats we put out back would clear the fenders. I made a few good cheap rides ride like a log wagon which I wouldn't do now but man the only thing cooler than a pair of N 50's out back was if you could roast them and I won't go into the story's. I hate it that the smarty-pants investors caused the cool cars to go through the roof $$$ but then, I reckon that's why there's so many of them still stashed because there worth too much to end up at the junkyard and the crusher. I could tell about the time when an acquaintance of mine his dad stole a 392 hemi from me, I best stop because, not enough space and time here. We were blessed to live in an age that we got to experience such fine machines. ?🤔? Now what am I going to put that 454 into?🤔? 😆 Maybe a simple 😎 T-Bucket. If ya gotum, smokeum 😆👍
@@jerryhayden8720 If you were born in the 60s, 1960s cars were just 20 year old used cars in the high school 1980s. Great time to be into cars. Lots of cool tin for a couple grande, or even less. Wheels, fat tires, cams, carbs, dual exhaust, and stereos. That's all that most of us did to them, if that. And most of us want our high school cars back if we could get our hands on them.
@@Spiritof_76 1957 so not a lot later. Like I said I can remember seeing a car occasionally that had the frontend up higher than the rear end. We were lucky to live in this era.👍
I had one in my 03 Silverado SS and in my wife’s Escalade. The more load you place on that engine, the angrier it gets!
I needed that engine in my '93 Silverado. I'd've been happy with it Stock.
I love how they had it at 22°timing with a stock cam, and add a +4timing cam and advance it to 28° and than say it make +92Hp
Yes I wish they mentioned that, just putting a 93 octane tune on an LQ9 will pick up 40 hp with a stock cam still
It's about time you guys started using O'Reilly auto parts!
Stick 5/16 wood dowels down the oil galleys to hold the lifters up in place.
For safety😆
Turn the entire engine upside down.
And if the dowel or dowel(s) happen to break off.....you really gonna lose your shit then.
@@p.b.sHUNTING if the dowels broke off then either A: the person doing the job is an idiot and shouldn't be doing said job or B: theres much bigger problems in the oil galleys since a 5/16 dowel is not a tight fit. It's just enough to hold the lifters up. Been doing it that way for over 15 years. Relighing on a lifter tray to hold the lifters up is just stupid.
@@backyardgarage relying... 🤦
I'll have to use this episode for future ideas. I have an '05 LQ4 sitting in storage waiting for me to go through it and drop into a '68 C10 longbed.
Git 'er done, Bobby!!
Robert if it’s an 05 it’s a lq9
Stroke it in that exact same configuration. I’m sure O’Reillys sales stroker kits. 😂
That thing would be awesome in my 77 Suburban... My 400sbc is getting a lil tired 😫
Pat is the man!!!
Engine power is my favorite ASMR
I keep hoping you guys will "play" with a 3.5 Eco Boost. Great videos.
There was no need to pull the oil pump, I’ve done several of these swaps, just unbolt the cam gear , let it drop then remove the chain , rebolt the cam gear , spin the cam the quickly remove and install new cam
I agree with you I have always done it your way. Time is money
I thought the same thing unless the changed the chain and needed to change the lower sprocket.
You need to take the pump off to dial the cam timing. Were your engine's running roughly that's why
@@andrewgoodfellow2039 it’s a non adjustable gear
We didn't see the bottom pulley go back on ,if it's adjustable the oil pump would have to come off. If it is not adjustable then your right the pump wouldn't have to come off
Lol man I wonder what he saw when he looked at the cam bearings to make him say “get it back in there” haha
The lifters trying to fall in the block.
If you don’t look at the cam bearings they are good!!!!!
I would like to see Engine Power put some power adders on late model Ram 2500/3500 6.4L Hemis.
Good Vid
I am just going to say nice job guys.
How many richard holder guys immediately recognized the that cam just from the specs as the 459 cam lol.
Awesome build. CNC Port those cathedral-port heads for some easy power!!!!!!!! 👌👌👌👍👍👍💯💯
Enjoyed!!!!! 👍👍
I like this job... Well done...
Hey guys when are you going to do a ford 7.3L Godzilla motor. Would love to see it tore down and rebuilt with a power adder🤟
Check out revan evans channel. He has a ton of info and some hotter builds. They are a bigger badder version of an ls
never seen you guys do a higher-end build with fuel injection as we do on the streets. something like a tbss swap to see the difference between your carb/throttle body setup and stock truck or car intakes.
3/16 - 5/16 dowels are good to make sure the lifters stay up in the trays. i use wood ones so that way they don't damage a lifter if I bump into one of them.
good video though.
They've done a few. You just have to look
@@vegeto186 ive seen the basic ones where it's a carb intake and a stock truck or car. what they haven't done is compare a bunch of them and show the difference between power, cost, and tuning time.
Richard holdener is your guy for those comparisons.
@@akinajj1 I partake in his videos too. Can't go wrong with more people doing more testing.
61 cubic inches in a liter time is 6.0 that’s amazing power on carburetor that means 500hp all day with fuel injection and ported heads with 95mm throttle body.
would love to see you guys to do a 20r/22r
I'm always excited (at first) when I see these videos until I get to the part where you bolt a toilet on top of it. Lets see a LQ9 build with a Holley Terminator LS MPFI Kit. Now that's worth watching.
@Bootstrps I agree! Bolt even the FACTORY TRUCK fuel injection manifold on it and watch the numbers and power curve improve!
They used the carb because it makes more power than fuel injection. Every single time.
@@realazliving I would be interested to see evidence of that, as the tests I have seen run the lowest performing FI ( the ls1) intake was on par with the highest performing single plane carb manifold.
@@jefflee8924 that has never happened ever. It’s against the rules of physics. FI is more able to adapt to different conditions without help. That’s why it is popular. You take a decent hit on horsepower to use it though. The atomization of fuel is worse, and there’s no cooling of the charge. Yes, it is easier to ignore. No, it is not as powerful.
@@realazliving th-cam.com/video/6Ejbwy0srmY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=w-7lY0cD0fMO8bfT
The carb stuff starts around the 19:50 mark. Keep in mind the FI intake (the ls1) being used is the lowest performing FI manifold of all. The beginning of the video will show the comparisons between the factory FI intakes.
I was very impressed with your backyard build. And ended up with you, ended up with in horses power. That350 would blow this LS out of the water!!! Great job guys. Keep it up.😁
No
@@baby-sharkgto4902ot would of been better if they had 243 cathedral heads or rec port ls3 heads
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Very cool build and video!
That "cylinder head on the engine" valve spring changing tool is just about the niftiest tool I have ever seen!
I need your orileys around me...every orileys store I've been to can't even order stock parts or a cam bearing removal tool 🤦♂️
That’s a solid combo right there. Would love to put this in my s10. Those 317 heads hurt the power though. L92 or Ls3 heads would have been it.
I'm looking for one to put in my 96
@@jpharmon7343 yes it’ll definitely push an s10 down the road pretty good. I have a 98 with a 1st gen sbc 350 and vortec heads. It’s runs pretty decent but that 6.0 is the superior engine. One day I’d like to swap one in.
If ur making 100hp with a cam swap, the heads ain't hurting power lol
@@romper4444 a L92 or Ls3 head would make more power. Even a ported cathedral will make more power. Will it be worth the money is up to the individual. But the fact still remains more power is to be had with the other heads.
@@thabiznizz sure u can always make more power, but why, defeats the whole purpose of this engine, 100hp with a cam and some bolt ons, why would u bother. The stock heads have airflow to support 500hp, my point was the heads are not a restriction and not hurting power production like smogger engines where's it's absolutely necessary to swap heads. 👍
Impressive
Im excited to see the new ford 7.3 v8 come into mass availability to have another bad ass factory race engine platform on the market
Mass availability? How? Its only in HD trucks? Itll less available then current Hemi's.
Unfortunately you'll never see those on the cheap and plentiful like ls motors
Was looking at a Blue Streak (by Standard) coil pack for my 4.0L Jeep, so you might've just sold me on one....
Great episode
I agree!
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Just FYI the "proper" way to do the cam swap is with pulling the oil pump. However; it isn't required, just gotta get fancy with getting the gears back lined up
I'm going to watch this a few times at work wonder how much does does that cost
You can use rods to make sure the lifters don't fall.
I grabbed my 4.0 for my cherokee from orieley because of the 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.
Price range for the long block and
finishing pieces probably in the 16k
range, for that price I've seen turn key 572 big block Chevy with 600hp
on GMs web site.
If you look at the parts list it’s under 10K with the mods
If I ever built a V8, it would definitely be an LQ9.
You can build a 5.3L and get comparable numbers and way cheaper.
@@joshtheking1772 But the 5.3L is aluminum, and historically less reliable than the 6.0, so my personal preference is the iron LQ9. I don't think the difference for the build would be "way" cheaper, but the harder you push that 5.3, the more expensive parts you'll need and net less reliability.
@@reviewaccount469 the 5.3 is also iron. FYI, Incidentally, some rare 4.8L/5.3L iron block castings can be bored all the way out to the 6.0L engine's 4.0-inch bore size. As reported by Lingenfelter Racing's Jason Haines, that's because (you guessed it), this is a rare universal casting used interchangeably at the foundry to make 4.8-, 5.3- or 6.0L engines. Look for "4.3L-5.3L-6.0L" (all three displacement designators) cast into the block's front passenger side.
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@@BrockGrimes They did make Gen III & IV 5.3s in aluminum and iron, but only trucks got the iron ones, everything else got the aluminum ones. Since 2014 however (Gen V) the 5.3 has been ALL aluminum. I'd suggest anyone wanting to buy a 5.3 for a build to do their own research and not rely on one or 2 comments under a TH-cam video. I would still rather buy a 6.0 LQ9 that I know is stout and IRON.
A little bit over cammed with the heads unable to flow enough to support the very high lift camshaft. I would be very dissatisfied with the HP with at least 480 expected with the correctly specified camshaft.
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you should try building a 2.0t ecotec b207r. or the older 2.3l B235R both engines are abundant an cheap. they used them in multiple platforms an have forced induction or good displacement. looking at its stats a bigger cam with more boost should easily add 100 hp to either engine.
In 2024 that long block from Oriellys is 10k after tax. That's not including the additional 3k+ in parts added. For that price I can easily buy a complete 650HP+ drop in.
Buenos videos Saludos
the only thing I do not like about this show is how many people do you actually know that can afford all these parts.
Graphite head gaskets....what other parts did they cheap out on?!
SHEEEEEEW BUDDY, I'd buy that for a dollar ! ! !
That's motor is almost 10k from oreillys before they started putting parts on it.
I'd like to see an LQ4/LQ9 with a BTR "Truck Norris" cam & Trick Flow 255 heads on the dyno. Just curious about that combination for a daily use SUV or truck.
A lot less. Its very small cam compared to this compared to the comp they ran in the video. Maybe 410-420hp. My guess.
Those heads would be to big for that ci motor and cam and I believe TFS255s are ls3 rectangle port. Truck Norris would be good with 220 or 225 heads or some ported 243s. TFS has a kit with their 225 heads that make 500+ hp. Look up Richard holdener trick flow 225 vs ls3 head comparison you might find that video informational.
Can you all do the toyota 4.7 DOHC, came in the 2005-07 4 runners. Belt drivven, they are solid motors, ultra reliable. Just curious what kind of power you can get out of it.
I completely understand that slapping a carburetor on is easy for the show, but I'm tired of seeing it. EFI is just as easy IMO and offers more control and monitoring than a carb. For an engine that already came EFI and for a service that is offering remanufactured engines (likely for replacement), I would think comparing it to it's stock counterpart would be the best option.
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What should they put instead ? Just pour in with a straw ? Carb is base line cheap... EFI alot more expensive complex.. Start at bottom work up... Duh...
@@1BigDaDo totally agree man
@@1BigDaDo EFI comes stock on that engine. You just replaced the manifold, carb, and added electronic ignition. Using stock parts from that motor is actually easier. In fact, to go with the theme of "remanufactured", source used parts that people are practically giving away from their own upgrades or source them from a salvage yard. To do this properly, you'd still have to tune the carb. Why not skip all of that and just use it as intended. Even the factory ECU can be flashed.
@@1BigDaDo They did spend $9000 on the long block, so this isn't a real "budget" build.
I need that one
26 degrees is a lot of timing. Hope you are monitoring the knock sensors.
Not with a carb and MSD, but that timing number is way safe in the dyno cell.
Yay an O'Reillys advertisement 🙄
I wonder if I could order a engine with extra ring gap?🤔🤷♂️🤣
Holy smokes it has more HP stock than most of your performance builds.
You should build a 22r Toyota engine!!
must be boat anchor day.
As a GM dealer tech for over 30 years , I have installed lots of LQK engines ,with no problems after the install .Note the two holes right and left of cam ,are for long wood'in dowels rods . To stop lifters from dropping down into block ,while changing camshaft . Also noted by @jonjon2066 . Just think around 5k spent and you have a just under 500hp engine .Another great P/Nation video .
Since you’re a tech for so long, what was getting the camshaft degreed about? I’ve watched a bunch of ls cam install and never seen anybody do that
@@bigboreracing356 I agree ,anytime a race cam is install in a race engine ,the cam must be degreed for peak performance .
@@bigboreracing356 Not so , I worked as a Dealer tech in GM Dealerships for over 3 decades ,rebuilding and repair countless engines under warranty and cash paying .Never have I seen even one Mechanic ,degree a cam for a stock engine repair , it's just not necessary . And now after retiring with 47 years under my belt 30 years dealer and 17 city fleet repairs (cop cars and fire trucks ) I will stand by my comment . Yes degree race engines ,and optional on stock engine repairs in the real World .sometimes being anal about some things ,does not always make it right . Just my 2 cents .
You can also buy the parts or better ones than the ones you need from summit racing for 3k O’Reillys I smoking to get your money
I've done a cam swap on a LS3 and no need to remove the oil pump.
@Big Bore Racing minor ampunt was left, couldn't get the degree wheel in the engine bay. My buddy was happy with the results, more than he had and professionally tuned.
@Big Bore Racing no, my comment was that the engine is in a camaro, 6.2L. Not sure where you got the assumption I was working on a truck engine, such as the 4.8 or 5.3 but cool story l guess.
@Big Bore Racing he paid nothing to have it done, his friends all helped and the tune was next to nothing. Nobody wants to have work done by somebody who is being cocky, that isn't a good business model, maybe you should go learn how to do that first. However to stay on topic here, my original comment stands, you don't need to remove the oil pump to change a cam in the engine shown in the video, why you decided to go off on a tangent is beyond me. Glad you are a certified youtube mechanic.
Those are the best spark plugs.
So when I did the cam swap no issues with the motor but I used LS7 lifters first and I used new trunion upgrade from Michigan Motorsports. I found 2 collapsed lifters so I too all the LS7 lifters out and went to stock Melling lifters but ever since the cam I get weird tick but it’s all the rocker arms. Does anyone else have this issue? 6.0 LQ4 , Truck Norris Cam, Stock pushrods, trunion upgrade stock lifters.
The long block alone is $9050, from O'Reilly's. This is not a cheap build!
Not sure where you got that. Based off the part number they gave it’s around $3500 for the long block
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Maybe this one is new, and not remanufactured?
@@PlugInRides That one you are talking about is a 550 hp LQ4 that Power Torque makes with aftermarket heads and cam already installed. They used a stock remanufactured LQ9 for their project.
You also changed valve seals.
I love the
a friend of mine bought a trade engine from one of these big magazine stores and had nothing but problems with it they had a used Cam and a brand new supposedly rebuilt engine the bearings on the camshaft wearing change little metal wires from the wire brush that they cleaned it with debris stuck under the main bearings you know it's just bad I'd rather have a rebuilt engine by a trusted engine builder than ever by a mail order crappy engine again
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I noticed that the painted screws and bolts are flaking and chipping away all over the motor. They did a close up when installing the intake manifold and there was plenty of flakes everywhere. I'm surprised they didn't catch that.
It’s not painted for cosmetics. It is quickly dabbed on there during the reman process to note that the bolts are torqued.
If they noticed it they won't say anything by shittng on one of their sponsors
Too bad Canada doesn’t have an O’Reilly Auto Parts store. We have to order performance parts from a Speed Shop or from my favourite online store, Summit Racing.
Millennials at every job @0:27
with that cam, the heads are the limiting factor. I bet if the performance cam intake had been symmetrical with the exhaust at 239dg each @.050 with the existing lift and a cnc'ed stock head or aftermarket head had been used, it would have gone 505-510 hp at 6300.
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Definitely could have pulled more power from the stock lq9 with more than 20 timing.
Too many of these reman engines have miserable reviews online. I wouldn’t waste the money on these.
Give us a ballpark cost!! I know, if you have to ask, you can't afford it!! Lol
Can you drop that into my 2015 tacoma??
I don't know what engine to put in my project car. Nova sedan motor budget 5k under and big block. Nothing crazy, daily driver, but do want some power.
Why only 28 degrees timing , thought 35 or 36 would be max , thank you .
Out of box carb, what is A/F ratio. Motor sounds healthy.
Port the heads n see what it do
great video how do i get a job like this
Couldn't you put 8 magnets down the pushrod holes to hold lifters in place just a thought
Yes and you mean 16 magnets.Have done it before
Have you guys ever done a NORTHSTAR CADILLAC engine. Had a 2001 4.6L that was stout.
Northstar had that one issue as it's Achilles heal. And when it happens it SUCKS to fix other than they they're pretty cool
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@@KingJT80 and what 1 problem was that?the way it was over engineered ?or the over heating?burning oil?or the serve carbon build up?...or do you mean,how they can't hold a head gasket for sh!t?lol....take your 1 pick 😉
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This is exactly what I am using / doing with my LS swap, cammed LQ9 however, I am going fuel injection. I am curious as to what this motor would have done FI. Thanks.
Same overall power, except fuel injection might give you better fuel economy and throttle response
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@@mikejohnson699 Very good, thanks.
@@mikejohnson699 I'm not sure that's true, considering they didn't attempt to custom jet the carb. EFI would allow a perfect mixture under full throttle, and usually results in power gains at the expense of increased cost and complexity. A carb is almost always a compromise on power, drivability and fuel economy.
@@PlugInRides Yes, I can agree. This was neat simply because I am doing the very same "upgrades" on mine after a lot of do-diligence. Going in an 83 Camaro with 4L65E. Course, kinda on hold because it is 23 degrees outside, AND in my building. Thank God for global warming.