EV Charging in Europe, what I AND Herbert Diess learned on our road trips
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- The EV charging in Europe is worse than I thought….If you don’t have a Tesla that is.
It all sounds good, like 250.000 charging stalls, but that is only half the story.
We NEED Tesla to help ALL EV owners, because no one else is really getting it !!!
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Did a road trip myself recently in the US, in my Tesla M3 LR. Did 4500 mi (7200 Km ), 5 different states, visited 5 national parks, 2 mountain biking parks in the middle of nowhere. The charging experience was perfect. Not a single charger broken, always fast, always able to find a te restroom, get drink, etc. Absolutely enjoyable the whole trip!
Awesome thanks for sharing 😁🙏👍
Just did a 1200 mile trip across the midwest to Colorado in the US with our Model Y. Our experience was as amazing as yours. Plenty of chargers, almost no waitingz and even bumped into Tesla techs doing routine maintenance on the chargers. I will never buy an ICE car again.
Main routes in the US are not a problem, it is the non-Interstate routes and smaller rural areas that are lacking.
For example, in order to get to my brother in Boise, ID from Omaha, NE there is only 1 route we can take. The more scenic highways are off limits due to lack of charging infrastructure, much less Superchargers.
ice cars have one advantage in that they can go anywhere be it the tiniest town in BFE, a small highway or country road, gaps stations are everywhere.
Having a common charging device system would speed implementation of EVs. The NHTSA should have mandated a common connector a long time ago and the Biden administration's toothless dog and pony show with the OEMs promising to make more EVs did not even discuss charging infrastructure.
Enjoy Colorado! Best state to be
@@jmpetersrn Our 2019 SR+ can take a scenic route via Old Faithful for example. ABRP predicts 55mph max between Jackson and Rock Springs, but in reasonable weather this would be 60mph or so. Presumably you wouldn’t be batting through scenic areas anyway, and we find ABRP consistently underestimates, which is a good thing. You could also top up at meal/rest breaks on scattered 7/11kWh chargers, or just run an extension lead up to the diner/restaurant etc…with their consent. ;)
A long range will breeze it.
We found in the 70’s that the gas fuelling stations were far and few between in the Yellowstone area. I’ve heard that’s still the case?
@@cbromley562 I used ABRP to plan and literally has 1 route to get from A to B. No going through the Black Hills to Ft. Robinson then to Boise. Yes, it CAN be done, but adding days to charge on a trip when you get a week off is not always feasible. These are still the pioneer days of EV. It will take years, decades to be gas equivalent. It didn't come this way overnight for ICE infrastructure, it won't be overnight for EV infrastructure either.
@@jmpetersrn Yes, these are pioneering days, and in pioneering days, you have to pioneer…exciting. So you’re taking 84 and 80? Not bad if you’re in a rush. I’m more optimistic that there’ll be a proliferation of charging points within the coming years, as businesses see the benefit of have a company such as Chargepoint install them. And who knows how quickly it will expand when Tesla open up the network, and use revenue for further expansion?
I absolutely agree that making these charging stops is actually better for safer and more relaxed driving. In the days I was driving an ICE car, the habit was to just drive and drive - until I got to my destination (usually very tired and in a bad mood).
These days, we leave home an hour earlier and enjoy the drive as much as we do the breaks. And we are not dog-tired when we reach our destination.
That is a lame excuse for it's limitations. I did my European road trips with my Ford Mondeo Diesel first and later with my Jaguar FX. My road trips are more like 17-18 days, 7000 to 8300 km's.
I bet I was better off with my 1000 km range Diesel and 850 km gasoline Jag.
@@louiscaeiroramos8051 The "limitations" are FAR outweighed by the advantages. Most intelligent car-buyers are seeing this... the rate of growth in EV adoption is showing this.
As I say... it's the intelligent car-buyers who are seeing this, and it's likely that does not include you.
Yep, it’s all down to Tesla to make it happen. I hope the legacy EV dabblers dig deep into their pockets to help out…won’t be surprised if they don’t, in fact they’re perhaps more likely to accuse Tesla of being a monopoly. It’s rather pitiful.
On a more positive note, Instavolt in the UK are worthy of praise. We haven’t used them yet, but they’re building up a highly regarded network of easy to use and reliable chargers, often in offbeat areas.
Volvo, a “stupid little hybrid car” ..... I like that.
Hey Lars! Non Tesla drivers have to understand who is behind their network. When I looked up Ionity it all made sense why it's crap and the VW charging punishment system is just as bad here in the USA, yet VW now wants to sell it. I think it would be funny if Tesla bought them, improved them and then called them something else. Tesla has ramped up their charging distribution and are making them now in Shanghai as well as the Buffalo, NY Gigafactory (where they also make the solar panels). They were ALWAYS INVITED TO JOIN TESLA, but they though Tesla would die... so they ignored the helping hand extended to them. Their customers will end up being Tesla customers due to these experiences so when Berlin ramps up it will be interesting to see how many more Tesla's will be on the Auto Bahn.
Seems to me the current issue is NOT the chargers or locations but simply the wholly inadequate maintenance resources applied to these third party networks? And it will soon be, inadequate number of stalls per location. WIth a non tesla, you really need to get a car with long range to make up for this.
@@Joe-lb8qnBroken chargers are infuriating, and I don't mean 1 out of 8 out for a short time. When you go to a station, you shouldn't have to worry about whether you will be able to charge or not. At least if there is no charger, you know to go somewhere else. If there is only 1 or 2 chargers, a level 2 is ok for a backup.
Man! You went on a road trip through Europe. You were in Italy. But I think you missed out on Malta. We even have a small number of Tesla owners here.
There is only one destination charger, of course, but then again, Malta is tiny. ;-)
Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
Malta 17miles by 9miles. Yip no need for super chargers there. You could walk round it in 3 hours. 👍
Hey Lars, cheers from USA. Thank you for your video about electric chargers in Europe. It’s great to see the options available. Thank you! Keep the good work, and Be Nice! 👍
If Tesla opens up it's chargers, they could require that those companies who join them pay for new chargers in proportion to their EV sales.
How about simply charging users of other brands an extra 30% say.
The non-Tesla users of the Supercharger network will pay higher prices. I wouldn't worry about working out a deal with the other manufacturers. Next time they upgrade their EV, they'll just buy a Tesla.
"... because it's a stupid little hybrid..." - had me laughing out loud!
Thanks for another informative and entertaining video!
Clint
🤗THANKS LARS ….YOU ARE CORRECT AND IT IS A GOOD THING FOR US ALL 👍👏👏👏😍😍😍
Lars, I agree that 2h between stops makes for much more comfortable road trips; especially with young children. When your children are grown you will still only be able to go a maximum of 2h between stops, but it will be for a different reason.....
Tesla has it figured out.
8 or more Super chargers at a site and a long range battery means no worries with long distance travel.
Just bought a 2013 S
In one week I’ll be doing a round trip from Phoenix AZ to Washington D.C. and back. Already having range anxiety. Wish me luck
I have been on 4 different road trips all up and down the east coast of the US from Maine to Florida in my Model 3 and now Model Y. With the exception of a few remote areas where I had to plan ahead on where to charge they were good trips. I will never buy another ICE car again!
More charging customers -> more income -> more money to build more chargers. I think Tesla got it.
Completely agreed, a new brand in Türkiye was introduced a year or two ago and have started delivering their cars, they are still in the process of building their charging network in Türkiye but they will be the next Tesla, unless Tesla drop their prices…
Congrats with your family , never saw them before , and i have been watching for years
Bravo. Well put. I can confirm.
Love the Tesla support system for charging stations...
Such a premium video - very interesting Lars. Thank you so much. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤩
You speak the truth Lars!! We are almost 3 years in with our M3 long range. I estimate we have made about 10 trips from CA to ID in our M3. Basically 750 miles one way from Sacramento CA to Rexburg ID. During this time they have added three charging locations near the freeway and of course many more that are fairly close to the freeway. Needless to say we don't even have to think about what we are doing when it comes to charging! I now have more options if ....lets say I want to burn the road up or if its below freezing in ID!! We have put our little M3 and the charging network to the test and they have both been performing like a well "OILED" machine!! haha!!
Great video, thanks! I really wanted to know about this. But when you said '...so you could go everywhere in Europe...' I immediately thought about Poland, since I have relatives there and like to go visit them. There are very few supercharges and the non Tesla charges are also not too well represented. I really hope they will put some extra effort to remedy that.
Great vid, Lars. Informative and showing the real state of EV charging networks in Europe: Tesla vs the rest.
Great timing with Deiss doing a similar road trip to you at the same time and having a totally underwhelming expereince with Ionity chargers.
Maybe Deiss will make an all out effort to improve HIS OWN network...(or maybe not...)
I feel sorry for Diess. His company seems to be totally against him even though he's trying real hard to prepare them for the future. It's like the rest of the company is determined to just accept death and milk as money out of the existing business as possible while the company still barely holds onto existence.
I also had my first long trip with my tesla, in Europe. It felt very premium, with most tesla chargers at hotels along the highway where you could relax on the terras, enjoy clean toilets etc
as always good info!!!!
Thanks for sharing. I hope many in Europe watch you video.
My wife and I did a road trip from Phoenix, AZ where we live, to Bethany Beach, Delaware. Over 7000 miles, 11,000 km, round trip, and we had no problem charging our car along the way. Our car is a Model S with free charging for life, so It didn't cost anything to charge it. Going to miss the free charging when I get my tri-motor Cybertruck.
But at least you'll get to squish stupid little hybrids off the road...
The new way to travel is just add to the battery at every stop. How long does it take to fill up is not a concern because you never have to fill up.
Yeah we need Tesla to charge them extra for the use of our chargers. Everyone kicking Tesla until they need help, pay for it👊
Thanks for sharing your charging experience and some of your trip. Great real life insights on the state of charging from two perspectives, yours and Herberts. I enjoy your videos and you consistently do a great job .
The crazy part is, Tesla can leverage its own charger network better than other makers can leverage the 3rd party networks. There are manufacturers producing cars that charge faster than Teslas, presumably in their own factories. There's nowhere in the wild to do that. So Tesla charges fastest. And that's even if a non Tesla can find a third party charger and it ain't full.
I actually had to wait in a charging queue at two Tesla Supercharger locations here in Norway this summer, so Tesla's Superchargers are not necessarily always available and free of queues either. Luckily only 15-20 minutes of waiting on both occasions. One of the stations was a 24 stall location so the turnover was very quick.
Recommend repenting on ALSET pumping. Wishing you well.
Good cheers !
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Hysterical 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 love the humor Lars!!!
Nice family. Glad you enjoyed vacation.
I've owned five Teslas, four of them long-distance travelers on the Tesla supercharger network. (The Roadster, my first Tesla, turned out to be a Tesla stepchild, tethered to home on a 100-mile radius. Elon would not help us out even by adding 240 volt plugs at supercharger stations. Very disappointed in that and sold the Roadster.) With the other four, I have never had the slightest concern about range, never seen a supercharger unit out of commission, never considered plugging into some other charging network. Also will not consider purchasing another EV brand unless the charging network situation changes drastically. Superchargers are Tesla, and Tesla is superchargers.
Porsche Taycan Turbo? What a laugh. Go with supercharging. Go with Tesla.
I had the same experience. I was charging on all kinds of networks before we got Superchargers. The difference is night and day. Even the location of the chargers is far superior here.
On my BMW i3, it was never about the range. It was if the chargers where working and it would charge my car. Repeating my TX to NY trip with my new model y, so it will be a breeze.
These OEMs are a sad state of affairs! Tesla could obliterate the legacy OEMs by 2025 if they couldn't share Tesla's charging network.
Great vid! Needed to be said
Great video about Tesla's experience in Europe, thanks!!!!!
This may be your best video yet, Lars. You basically surveyed all of continental Europe for the entire world to learn what you found out: that all EV and charging station manufacturers (other than Tesla) have their heads up their asses. Great work. I suspect the charging situation is much worse for non-Tesla’s here in America than it is in your neck of the woods.
7:45 I think that is exactly the point of PHEVs, to use the battery for short daily commute and the engine for long trips.
I prefer a battery for the daily commute and the same battery for long trips ! No petrol, no engine maintenance, and no emissions.
Great channel thanks for sharing
A roof over the superchargers would be fantastic. Plugging in when it’s raining is not great
Spot on !
Have you aussi heard about SmartGreenCharge in France? Same concept as in the UK (or as Beam Global in the US), solar panels and chargers. Love this!
1300 miles to my Brother's place in Texas then 1300 miles back home, easiest roadtrip I've ever done. Using autopilot along the way helped with fatigue, as in I wasn't fatigued at the end of the 2nd day when I got to his place. Yeah, only a 2 day drive, 1300 miles, with 2 adults and two kids.
Hi Lars, glad you had such a great experience here in Europe!
In my case at Karlsruhe Tesla SC was full, I had to wait few minutes before being able to start charging.
And where I stay now the closest SC is at 90km....so I am using 'Next charge' network instead.
Tesla rocks!
Great presentation Lars! I did not realize how 'challenged' the non-Tesla charging network was, despite all of the media hype. Congrats on 55,000 + subscribers!
Nothing compares to the real world experience :) Nice job!!
I have no problem sharing the supercharger network with other EV's If the other OEMs Pony up and pay tesla for their share of the infrastructure that Tesla built-out when no other companies would help.
Thank-you Lars. This is your best video by far IMHO. I'm Canadian and loved the scenic views of your family's trip. It's also great to see how well equipped the Supercharger network is there even before Giga Berlin comes online. Thanks to Elon and Tesla for seeing the bigger picture and solving it incredibly well. It's really exciting seeing how well Tesla is growing worldwide. Looking forward to your future videos. Maybe, you could do an interview with Herbert Diess one day kinda like Sandy Munro or Tim Dodd of Everyday Astronaut did with Elon?
0:28 crazy motorcycle dude
Excellent presentation! I now agree, Tesla MUST open their Supercharger network to other EVs to support the Transition to Sustainable Transportation. Other OEMs don't care about EVs. What they see as a _'RISK',_ Tesla sees as a _NECESSITY._ Something that absolutely must be done without delay. Meanwhile, Denial, Deferment, and Delay are all that matter to other traditional conventional legacy ICE automobile manufacturers regarding EVs, just as they have for the past thirty-to-forty-five years. They do not look forward to a world where _'saving gasoline/petrol'_ is no longer a motivating factor among consumers, because no one needs or uses the stuff any longer.
Wow! Since the Impact Report has been released, does anyone have an update on the oxide chemistry C0.6(1)Si0.4(1)O2?
Great video as usual! IMO, Tesla should open the charger to other EVs but at much higher charging price and sell them Tesla's own charger adapter with enough profit. Since Tesla owners already paid for the cost of charging stations (built into the price of all Tesla cars) plus added inconveniences of possibly waiting longer for the charging with added usage.
early adapters typically pay more :) Nothing new here. So just enjoy your early adapter status.
So you want people to buy EV and save the planet? And you want to discourage them from buying one buy gouging them? Got it!
People like you will be the reason why people are still buying ICE, well done you.
@@shortfattoad7317 they can just buy from the brand which built the chargers
@@clevernduruza8624 No thanks, I'll wait until there are more chargers and buy something decent, I would rather the earth burn than buy a tesla. You people give away your choices and freedoms and then cry about about it..... Soft!
@@shortfattoad7317 Charing premium for superior service / experience is NOT discouraging EV adaption. Ask your GM/FORD/VW why they didn't work with Tesla charging network when they had their chance. Also, preserving Tesla owner's experience & convenience is equally important
I would not be surprised seeing Herbert Diess migrate to TSLA in a leading position.
Sorry that hip has sailed. Elon Musk was considering Diess to run Tesla Automotive a few years ago. Diess (short-sightedly) took the VW job.
@@RB-pi3jl Diess is one of very few Germans with an innovation mindset. Maybe another chance if Elon will choose between TSLA and SpaceX.
Diess's next car will be a Tesla...
This brings out a point that is very important for EVs. With a lot of cars waiting at a charging station, the wait can be a major problem, in a way that you would only rarely have filling up with liquid fuels. Not a show-stopper for a transition to EVs, but it means charging stations need to be plentiful, more than you might first think.
Beautiful country.
Lars, great video! Thought it was cheap of Diess to bitch on social media when VW could do a better charging network, but chose not to.
Ridiculous. Director of vw. he just now realized about the rubbish charging network coverage. yet he is planning to take the ev market by storm. They be running on air. Laughable.thanks again Lars great job
By 2018 VW planned to be BEV leader making better cars than Tesla to half the price, almost made it, no?
Super fantastic video!
Thank you very much for producing it.
I'm looking to move to Eastern Europe, but would like to learn a lot more about the lifestyles there. I traveled globally for 40 years on business.
I would LOVE to do what you did by motorcycle and live centrally to investigate moving predominately. Please let me know if I could count on you for some guidance.
I would be very grateful and would reciprocate if you ever decided to visit America.
The "competition" is just a sad joke at this point.🤪😤😢
I have a few EVs on my short list for next year. Ichave the Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and the Nissan Ariya. But every time I weigh the pros and cons I eventually end up with the Model Y or Model 3 Long Range at the top of my list.
The ease of use as well ad the autopilot, vehicles with some of the best range in the industry, energy efficient, over the air updates, really good navigation with listed chargers and their state if operation and the consistency and overall reliability of the ever expanding charging network.....continues to bring me back to wanting to buy a Tesla.
Some want to go green, look cool, use it as a status symbol to show they're part of the Elon family...but as you can see from my list I list for the practicality and what's economical for me.
Oh yeah, and they look cool too 😎
Honestly, it depends on where in Europe. Some places are overpacked with chargers and others have nothing. Where I live, there are chargers everywhere and not from tesla but all work great!
Hello Lars! Greetings from Sweden. I love your well made videos. How much did it cost (charging fees) to do your roadtrip?
0kr 😁 I have about 15.000 km of free supercharging 😉 and 5 out of 8 hotel had free destination charger 👍👍
@@BestInTESLA Er... That's a bargain. 😁
1.5 to 2.0 hours between breaks is how we drive on long trips. No kids, we're just older. Our bladders aren't what they used to be.
5:00 they are LABELED 350kw, Let them PROVE IT!!!! you can stick or paint any silly number on those chargers
Super chargers are safer than gas stations. Lot of riff raff at gas stations. At a supercharger, there are cameras all over the place. Tesla drivers are usually nice to each other too.
Wow, seeing those two kids in the back seat make me wonder if kids talk to each other any more?
If I could give you more thumbs up, I would. I’ve had exactly the same experience here in Spain. At a shopping centre there were 10 Tesla super charger stalls (3 occupied) and one duel charging stall for everyone else (both occupied). It’s just not good enough. Opening up the Tesla network though, would just let all the other manufacturers off the hook and that is what they are holding out for. It’s just not good enough.
CUTE BABIES !!!
Sweet title 😅
20,000 additional TESLA chargers coming within the next year.
I think that as EV adaption increases, we'll see more investment in charging infrastructure. While 2% of the total new car market is bigger than ever, we're still not near a tipping point. I think the new car market would have to exceed 10% before investors smell opportunity. The early investors will be in the best position but there will still be shake out as with any new industry.
Yesterday we parked across from a 12 stall Tesla charging station.. We did the same thing a week earlier. Six of the 12 stalls were inoperable last week and they are still inoperable this week. Tesla needs to get on the stick in the US Pacific Northwest.
...............Tesla need to open their stations for all the others! ;-)
Biggest difference between Tesla and ice is you have to babysit the smelly gas pump whereas with a Tesla you are actually parking to charge, to go eat, or take a restroom break, or even enjoy tourist traps or whatever and when you're finished... Well actually in many cases you may have to unplug and park elsewhere since it would be done charging before you're finished.
it is charging chaos... i travelled across europe and no toilets, food/drinks, not even shelters available. And necessity to have like 15 registrations, 10 rfid cards and 20 apps in mobile phone is ridiculous .. if your phone dies or you'll have no data, you are screwed, you cant charge and pay by debit card.
Yeah I can see the logic in a Tesla, I have a BMW i3 and was charging the car just needed a top up I was at 65% so should have been up to 80% in a 1.5hrs. But when I got back a eton was charging beside me. So you can guess my car got 5miles exactly, because the power was going to the etron.
Basically the chargers for other cars are just compliant standard stations.
Thankfully I charge overnight most of the time.
What about the adapters for other EVs to use Tesla chargers?
It’s worse in the US. There’s virtually nothing outside the major cities in the way of charging stations except for Tesla.
6:07 Tesla pulling a trailer
This makes me worry about the Rivian I'm about to get. I expect it in Sept 2021. Seems like "Electrify America" may not be as good as Tesla. Oh well, I always have my 2021 Model Y for road trips.
A road trip on the highway with a hybrid which can only get 25 kms on a charge is a really dumb waste of time to stop in a charging station. @130kms/hr their charge will last about half the 25 kms which is calculated for city driving...
Yep. Plug in hybrids are a dumb idea in the first place. Worst of both worlds. A weird historical footnote, hopefully.
@@MarkXHolland Damn, they are breathing my air, till the makers go bankrupt..
Herbert Deiss from Volkswagen saying that the charging stations are problematic may INDUCE SOME CAR BUYERS TO BUY MORE GAS CARS (pollution cars)
Lars why do the European SCs have two cables? I noticed you always grabbed the top one. What is the other connection? Here in Canada we only have the one propriety connector. We don’t have CCS yet at the SCs.
“Stupid little hybrid car”. The US rebate says the stupid little hybrid cars are good enough. Kinda sad.
it's 100% window dressing and actually to support the auto unions. not at all about the environment. unions just get in the way of innovation.
And even more sad, Americans are paying the bill with their upcoming increased taxes. Really sad. Buddies paying buddies, laundering citizen paychecks and calling it honorable and exciting on the media. Wake up, America!
With Tesla SC network ramping up, it's quite possible the SC network will crowd out all competitors. Time to step up the game or be put out of business, EV networks!
Also, while no single network can match Tesla rollout, a hundred small networks only need to add 100 chargers a year. Let's not forget the little guys just yet, yes?
It is not Tesla's nor any other vehicle manufacturer's responsibility to provide charging. It's about any energy companies will to profit from their customers.
Tesla is an energy company.
@Barskor1 As is their right but not responsibility. It is also very much in their interest but not their customers necessarily if they’re gouged in due course for lack of free enterprise options. Tesla Cars and Tesla Energy are not to be seen as the same thing even though they’re one and the same company. As electric cars don’t require as much servicing, the ongoing revenue stream will be energy and any subscription scheme which customers should vehemently avoid including any mobile network fees.
Great vid. Great research. Can you come to the US and take a road trip in a TSLA? Then China. And, is your neighbors house for sale? It’s beautiful where you live.
Your boys approved of the model 3? , or are they wanting the new plaid ?
So what kind of compensation will they give tesla for building all of the charging stations? will tesla just recoup the cost by charging extra at the stations?
That must hurt, your own boss saying their company performed terrible.
Have you tried something like 180km/h on the German Autobahn just for fun
Lars, did you use a drone for some of those shots/films - if so which one? Or was that Tesla stock videos? Can you do a poll asking: How many of the viewers 1. Owns a Tesla, 2. Owns Tesla shares?
Kris Rifa, his Ionity-card and Polestar 2 left the chat....
"Stupid little hybrid car." Spot on, Lars. (Keeps legacy auto breathing OUR AIR, until they go bankrupt.)