How to use SIDE3: Part 1 - Stand Alone
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Just got mine in today, along with an Ultimate 1MB, thanks for all the hard work on this, can’t wait to dig in and play with it.
Hi Jon. While watching section on recalling last file/folder/partition, it occurred to me a wonderful feature would be the ability to tag an atr/rom/xex with a hotkey and populate a short table of favorites selectable from the menu. Sure something many would appreciate, that is unless a more obvious way of making own menus programmatically.
That's an interesting idea Tim. I'll add it to the list of possibilities. :)
Excellent idea!
Cool idea, I hope something like that could be implemented.
That added feature is most appealing - Halloween will be great fun ;)
The more I watch your videos the more I wish I had the real hardware on hand!
You are a genius! :) Thank you for all your hard work. Coming back to Atari 8 bit after a 36 year hiatus. Just ordered a Side3 to go with my Atari 800XL that's also in transit. Can't wait!
Thank you so much for you kind comment. :) I hope you'll enjoy SIDE3 - it's a fine device!
@@flashjazzcat Thank you I absolutely LOVE it! Definitely plan to mail my Atari off to get the Ultimate 1MB installed. One of the hopes I had for this machine is to do some ATARI BASIC and Assembler development on it. The Side3 boot menu is so slick - everyone I show it to is seriously impressed :)
@@ChrisPatti That's great - and I'm flattered! :)
Perfect timing - I expect my Side3 cart to arrive in a couple of days. Just need to save some more coins for an Ultimate 1MB expansion and get it off to Jon for fitting.
Really enjoying the SIDE3, great work on the loader design!
Thanks!
Thanks for the videos. I just got the Side3 and U1MB and both come with no instructions whatsover on shortcuts, special keys, or just how to use them in general. So these videos are very helpful!
The vast majority of the existing U1MB/SIDE2 documtation on my website is wholly.applicable here. The manual is some 70 pages long. Have you read that?
I bought the SIDE3. I just have an stock 65XE. To prepare and create the APT partitions in a SD card with FDISK, I use Altirra and SIDE2 emulation, then write the resulting image to an SD, works great. Now I transferred all my games, sources, disks all to the cartridge and works at light-speed. Great product.
Eduardo, I would be forever in your debt if you'd be willing to post some details on how you do this. Whenever I get to FDISK and actually tell it to format the SD card all I can get out of it is "I/O Error 255". Thanks in advance!
@@ChrisPatti I configured Altirra to use an emulated SIDE2, and created a Hardisk using a VHD image. Then formated the VHD using FDISK, using a FAT16 partition and several 16MB APT with FDISK. Finally I copy the VHD to the SD with a windows utility "HDD Raw Copy Tool". Write directly to the SD from SIDE2 emulation not work.
atariage.com/forums/topic/268007-side-3/page/5/
@@elkino1 Thanks so much those details are probably super important. I may have been using partitions that were too large. Thanks a bunch!
casing and logo looks really nice but the Green LED is the true selling point.. all jokes aside ive been waiting to pull the trigger on one, thx for the review - ill definitely get one now.
I just ordered a SIDE3. Now sitting here and waiting for it to arrive. Only 8-15 days from now 🤗
Today I received my SIDE3 package! Is there a manual for SIDE3 noobs? Something like a "SIDE3 for Dummies"? First steps?
Tonight I'll just rewatch this video and follow along on my Atari. Too bad halloween is over already, really like the green LED ;)
Seems I'm not the only one being surprised not being able to partition the SD card with a stock 64KB A8. Luckily I have a 130XE with a few more KB.
Should pop a speaker and a mini codec & amp to play that intro music when the computer starts with it inserted. The music only stops when the gamin starts. :)
Looks great but that constant rattling of the pcb inside the case was driving me insane.
Literally insane? Wow. :)
Little jealous of the CAR/ROM loading, coming from the Incognito 2... I don't suppose there is any room for that?
There is not.
Need a link to download the all the software displayed on your SD card :)
Does the SIDE3.1 cartridge fit the Atari 1200XL? As you know, Jon, I got weak and couldn't resist grabbing a sweet 1200XL for my growing collection of Ataris which I haven't even yet received from the sellers in United States.
You'll need to file/sand down either side of the cart shell by about 0.25-0.5mm in order for it to fit the 1200XL properly (unless you simply remove the cart shell).
Hi Jazz, How do you get other games demos etc.. on to the side3? Ive got sd card thats already partitioned with fodlers etc.. and all is working well ive updated the loader to version 0.39 and the spartados to 4.49e on the cart but now i want to transfer a cart file ive downloaded on pc ive tried taking the sd card direct to the pc but as its been partitioned and formatted as a fat32 the pc is asking to format the sd card so im just wanting to know how to transfer a cart image to the necessary folder on the sd cart or is this something i can only do once the U1mb is installed and not on stock 64k ?
Ignore any nag dialogs to format stuff, since it'll confuse the issue (Windows insists on asking you to format the APT container, which you must not do since that would destroy all your APT partitions). Presumably your card was pre-partitioned with 3 or 4 APT partitions and a FAT32 partition. So in this case, just cancel the dialog which pops up and go right ahead and copy your stuff into the FAT partition. Job done: it'll then show up in the loader.
@@flashjazzcat Thanks Jazz :)
Hi pal! This device can coexist with an sdrive max? When plugged it adds more ram to the atari without excessive mods?
Love your channel!
Yes, this device can coexist with SDrive, FujiNet, SIO2PC, SIO2SD, etc. The RAM expansion feature requires the SIDE3 'Wing' which isn't available yet. Hopefully thre hardware designer will have time to address this soon. Glad you're enjoying the videos!
And what’s the difference between side3 and ultimate 1mb?
I'm wondering how it loads disks that expect to not have a cartridge installed. I was thinking that besides the cartridge memory, you get 256 bytes at D500 if you watch the select line. If you're insanely clever, you could use a byte for bank selecting and then put all the disk emulation code there, so you could them boot with disks and just RAM where the cartridge lives. I suppose you could put everything into that D500 page and only use the cartridge space for cartridge images.
That's more or less how it works. The SD card registers remain when the ROM is turned off, and turning the ROM off is the first thing the loader does before booting the OS (whether performing a cold-boot when U1MB is present, or soft-booting the RAM-based OS when the cart is used stand-alone). In stand-alone mode (no U1MB PBI support present), the entire ATR image is loaded into SRAM, then the patched OS is installed, which has a patched SIO handler which reads 'sectors' from the image in cartridge SRAM (which is indeed accessed through the 'keyhole' at $D500-7F after the cart ROM is disabled). When U1MB is present, the PBI BIOS (4 banks of 2K ROM under the FP pack) handles ATRs, and is able to read/write them directly. Although the cart ROM is routinely disabled before running an XEX or ATR, the loader allows the simultaneous mounting of an emulated cart, so you can - for instance - boot DOS 2.5 from an ATR, with OSS BASIC XL present at the same time. When you run an ATR or XEX from the loader and there's an emulated cart already mounted, it will ask you if you want to unmount said cart image first (unless you configure the loader to always unmount cart images automatically).
Is Side3 loader cart compatible with an 800XL with the 256k RAMBO XL upgrade?
Certainly, yes
So if you load the Action Replay .crt and you load a .xex or .atr game, the Action Replay cart works with the game?
I don't know what an Action Replay cart is, but yes. :)
Is there a difference between the 2MB and 8MB SRAM models of the SIDE3? Also, is there anyone I can goto to upgrade a SIDE3 to 8MB?
It depends if you're asking to upgrade a SIDE3 from 2MB to 8MB or a SIDE 3.1 from 2MB to 8MB. SIDE 3.1 has a few stability fixes, provision for future ECI connectivity, and provision for 2-8MB of SRAM. I'm not aware that SIDE3 has any provision for 8MB of SRAM, but Candle would be the one to check with there. I can swap the BGA SRAM chip on a SIDE 3.1.
hello, is it compatible with the xegs model? or do you need to make changes?
Sure. It's compatible with the XEGS out of the box, and is especially handy as a bootable HDD on that machine (if you add U1MB), since the XEGS has no parallel bus connector.
@@flashjazzcat OK thank you. is there also a site to download side 3 compatible games?
@@johnnycage8950 Scroll down to the 'game catalogue' section of this page: atarionline.pl/v01/index.php
Hi Jon ive just got my side3 and in the meantime ive ordered the sd card with all files demos etc on from retrolemon but in the meantime i have put a snadisk 2gb card in and the side3 recognises the sd card but i cant format it or even use fdisk? If i use fdisk it keeps coming back MEMLO to high? What does that mean? Ive also download the apt toolkit so do i need to put that on the sd drive max and load it then go again?
Ideally you want some extended RAM on the system in order to use SpartaDOS X and FDISK comfortably. You can create a Spartados-formatted ATR if you want with a custom CONFIG.SYS on it and boot from that on D1:. See the SDX manual for examples of how to do this, but bascially you want to omit DEVICE ATARIDOS and anything else not needed in order to get FDISK to run. MEMLO needs to be at or below $2000 for most software to run, and on a 64K machine, the drivers loaded by SDX push this up too high. Definitely consider installing some kind of RAM upgrade, though.
@@flashjazzcat OH RIGHT so now in order to use the side3 i have to now bump the 64k atari to say 1mb ultimate? I though the side3 worked on a standard 64k machine???
Ive actually ordered the sd card from the same place as the side3 which is all setup so when i pop that in my atari 64k machine it should work so why cant i set up a 2gb card myself from scratch without more memory??
@@back2skooldaze Yes it works on a 64K machine. Have you run the loader and tried starting any cartridges or XEX files yet? SpartaDOS X requires a lot of RAM, and this is hardly the fault of SIDE3.
@@back2skooldaze If you're unhappy, please take it up with the vendor. I have provided you with plenty of responses and links to the documentation.
While I like your GUI, I am not too happy about the limited space that is used for the file list, even more so as it uses the tall character mode.
Standard height characters would give you sufficient extra scan lines for two more rows while cramping the display vertically. I don't see that as a good tradeoff.
I have a 1200XL, is the Side3 too big for the cartridge slot?
Kinda. The situation is much as per the SIDE2; if you're handy with a file and sandpaper, you can make it fit.
@@flashjazzcat cheers Jon, i'll give it a go then! One more thing if you don't mind please, but I have a stock 1200XL, can I run games bigger than 64k with Side3? Or would I need to upgrade my memory? Thank you ;)
@@cidercecil Depends on the game, really. If it uses extended memory (anything accessed via PORTB and banked in the $4000-7FFF area), then no: you'd need a RAM upgrade. But if it's a cartridge game of a supported type, then 1MB images are perfectly usable on a stock machine.
@@flashjazzcat Thank you Jon, much appreciated!
Today I have bought my first Side 3.1, but unfortunately the Atari is going crazy when the cartridge is inserted. Do you know what could cause this problem? I have U1MB, Rapidus, VBXE and Stereo. Without the cartridge everything works fine. I am sure that soldering is well done (it was made by Lotharek). I am using Power Adapter 5V 1,5A. Here is the recorded video with the issue : th-cam.com/video/GUPJtPKzY34/w-d-xo.html
Yes - it's a Phi2 timing issue. Try replacing 74LS08 on the Atari motherboard with 74F08. Vendor should be able to tell you more about this, since it's a known issue. If that doesn't work, try the 'O2 Fixer': Vendor - again - will be able to explain in more detail. Lotharek's 5V PSU is also recommended. 1.5A should be enough current, but you have barely any headroom.
Jazz in spartados i have BOOT DRIVE :B I have D2: 65516 FREE SECTORS D3: the same D4: D5: D6:
OK - and?
how edit config.sys or autoexec.bat if there are on side 3?
Use the SDX imaging tool to edit CONFIG.SYS on the CAR: device. AUTOEXEC.BAT is always subsequently read from the boot drive (CONFIG.SYS having loaded the driver needed to access the HDD).
@@flashjazzcat where to download please?
SDX upgrade website. I am moving house ATM so have no PC to hand. ;)