9:37 This is what I genuinely love about your videos. You show the entire process and what works and what doesn't. This extra type of content is extremely valuable and an important part of such retro tinkerer videos I think. Don't change! Keep it up, exactly how you do this. I always watch.
The data rate needed for the Atari 8-bit (43 Mbit/s) is nearly at the limit of what the lumacode system can do. So you need to take greater care about signal integrity than for example on the C64. Also it is better when you twist the signal and the ground wires together to reduce interference.
Thanks for sharing this one. I really appreciate you showing all the trials and tribulations as well as the options to connect. You have made me want to add an Atari to the collection just to go down this rabbit hole. I hope I run across one in an auction soon.
I think the pros don't outweigh the cons, in special buying a 'faulty' chip that is not upgradeable (do creators provide upgrades if so?). The end solution, though, passing the cables through the RF hole made things look somehow easier than it looks. Thanks.
Thank you for this. I was very tempted by this based on the C64 video you posted earlier though my enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by the notes around the (lack of) ability to upgrade the firmware. Think I might hold off and see if there are any more bugs but looks a nice piece of kit despite the lack of upgradeability.
I do like the way that you go into more depth on the mods and investigate issues that you find. That's also a great mod and simple to install - looking into it now :) Also, the link to the audio embedder appears to be broken.
Another excellent video! I recently picked up an NTSC Atari 800XL. These come with just RF portion of the board populated, no composite video out. Debating whether to populate the board and put a hole in the case for the monitor port, or maybe I should skip all that and just put this in... Though I will always rely on the external board then. Choices! Great content!
Anyone can recommend the tiniest possible solution for an audio embedder PCB that can be built into various retro computers? Obviously we can open a cheap audio embedder and take the PCB out, but there are many variables that make these more or less suitable. For instance, no SPDIF/Toslink digital video inputs are required, easily available solder points for 5V is nice, very low current requirements is even better and perhaps using mini-HDMI connectors will result in less space requirements for cramped spaces inside an old computer. My end goal is to have retro computers with a panel mount HDMI port that looks like it came that way from the factory, with audio included. Just one straight regular (full-size) HDMI cable from the computer into the HDMI TV/Monitor.
Finally got mine setup and the image is super noisy. Tried many configs and no luck. The menu text is sharp just the video is bad. I’m sending the lumacode wires directory to the rgbtohdmi
@@TheRetroChannel I just posted on the Atariage thread with photos and video and sent him a message on his tindie page. Hope it can be resolved. I wired the lunacode wires from the GTIA chip directly to the rgbtohdmi.
@@TheRetroChannelI got mine all dialed in now and adjusted the geometry to remove the noise on the right side of the drunk chessboard demo as well. The issue was in the DAC settings. Not sure if I mentioned it but this is an Arabic PAL 65XE board that I am converting into a laptop. The LCD panel is a 12” 800x600. I’m assuming that the image quality will be higher resolution with better color than if I were to use an NTSC board, correct? I am in the USA and this is my first time with a PAL system. Is there somewhere I can find a good list and downloads to the best PAL demos and PAL tuned games and software? I found the .pl server on Fujinet but there’s so many demos it’s hard to sift through them to find the good ones. If you have any helpful links I’d appreciate it. If all goes as planned the laptop/portable will have about a 2 hour runtime on battery power with built in Fujinet, mini OLED display for battery status and soft toggling Fujinet on and off etc. I’m leaving all of the ports on the back as well for hooking up external SIO devices and monitor. I recently did another portable conversion of an Ohio scientific Superboard ii that came out well and is on the OSI forum website. Any info you can provide on PAL would be great thanks!
Btw there’s also issues I’ve seen with Ballblazer on both the left and right sides and I’ve seen it on some other stuff. It’s all correctable but you have to adjust the horizontal offset and max / min widths to get it spot on. Takes some tinkering but doable.
Glad you got it working properly. Honestly I haven't played many Atari 8bit games or seen that many demos so I don't know what to recommend. I was very much, and I guess still are, a C64 guy
I recorded a video for this boatd a few days back, however, my board doesnt work properly .... Can i ask , did you purchase yours or were they donated ?
@TheRetroChannel no, I have had many emails with the creator , he's sending me a new unit out, I have tried the c128 and vic20 units and both are flawless quality, The gtia version decodes the picture but its like there is a lot of digital noise in front of the image, reason I asked if you purchased them was to get an idea of price, to uk they're quite expensive at around £50 each after shipping and currency conversion
That price sounds about right. I think it cost around $250USD for the 64, 128 and Atari boards, plus a RGBtoHDMI LumaCode board for each. Really I should have only bought one of the RGBtoHDMI LumaCode boards and saved some cash. It's not like I'd be using all 3 systems at once
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9:37 This is what I genuinely love about your videos. You show the entire process and what works and what doesn't. This extra type of content is extremely valuable and an important part of such retro tinkerer videos I think. Don't change! Keep it up, exactly how you do this. I always watch.
When I saw the thumbnail I immediately thought 🎵 One of these things is not like the other 🎵 😄
The data rate needed for the Atari 8-bit (43 Mbit/s) is nearly at the limit of what the lumacode system can do. So you need to take greater care about signal integrity than for example on the C64. Also it is better when you twist the signal and the ground wires together to reduce interference.
Thanks for sharing this one. I really appreciate you showing all the trials and tribulations as well as the options to connect. You have made me want to add an Atari to the collection just to go down this rabbit hole. I hope I run across one in an auction soon.
Hey new subscriber here, from Victoria. Love your videos man keep them coming.
I think the pros don't outweigh the cons, in special buying a 'faulty' chip that is not upgradeable (do creators provide upgrades if so?). The end solution, though, passing the cables through the RF hole made things look somehow easier than it looks. Thanks.
Thank you for this. I was very tempted by this based on the C64 video you posted earlier though my enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by the notes around the (lack of) ability to upgrade the firmware. Think I might hold off and see if there are any more bugs but looks a nice piece of kit despite the lack of upgradeability.
I do like the way that you go into more depth on the mods and investigate issues that you find. That's also a great mod and simple to install - looking into it now :)
Also, the link to the audio embedder appears to be broken.
Thanks Ed for the tip, both of them. I'll update the link
I ordered one. It will work on a PAL 65XE I hope.
Thanks!
Another excellent video! I recently picked up an NTSC Atari 800XL. These come with just RF portion of the board populated, no composite video out. Debating whether to populate the board and put a hole in the case for the monitor port, or maybe I should skip all that and just put this in... Though I will always rely on the external board then. Choices! Great content!
Thank you!!! Great video!
Any idea how this would go with an Atari 800? I'm worried about there being enough space for the GTIA-digitizer...
composite video introduces some interference but many CRT TVs do not accept s-video.
Anyone can recommend the tiniest possible solution for an audio embedder PCB that can be built into various retro computers? Obviously we can open a cheap audio embedder and take the PCB out, but there are many variables that make these more or less suitable. For instance, no SPDIF/Toslink digital video inputs are required, easily available solder points for 5V is nice, very low current requirements is even better and perhaps using mini-HDMI connectors will result in less space requirements for cramped spaces inside an old computer. My end goal is to have retro computers with a panel mount HDMI port that looks like it came that way from the factory, with audio included. Just one straight regular (full-size) HDMI cable from the computer into the HDMI TV/Monitor.
Where to buy this in EU ? Not uk
just wondering the rgb2hdmi would it work also on a 1040ST ?
As far as I know, yes. The RGBtoHDMI GitHub page lists all the currently supported systems - there is a lot
Finally got mine setup and the image is super noisy. Tried many configs and no luck. The menu text is sharp just the video is bad.
I’m sending the lumacode wires directory to the rgbtohdmi
Head over to c0pperdragon's Lumacode GitHub and open a new issue (link is in the video description). He should be able to help you troubleshoot it
@@TheRetroChannel I just posted on the Atariage thread with photos and video and sent him a message on his tindie page. Hope it can be resolved. I wired the lunacode wires from the GTIA chip directly to the rgbtohdmi.
@@TheRetroChannelI got mine all dialed in now and adjusted the geometry to remove the noise on the right side of the drunk chessboard demo as well. The issue was in the DAC settings. Not sure if I mentioned it but this is an Arabic PAL 65XE board that I am converting into a laptop. The LCD panel is a 12” 800x600. I’m assuming that the image quality will be higher resolution with better color than if I were to use an NTSC board, correct? I am in the USA and this is my first time with a PAL system. Is there somewhere I can find a good list and downloads to the best PAL demos and PAL tuned games and software? I found the .pl server on Fujinet but there’s so many demos it’s hard to sift through them to find the good ones. If you have any helpful links I’d appreciate it. If all goes as planned the laptop/portable will have about a 2 hour runtime on battery power with built in Fujinet, mini OLED display for battery status and soft toggling Fujinet on and off etc. I’m leaving all of the ports on the back as well for hooking up external SIO devices and monitor. I recently did another portable conversion of an Ohio scientific Superboard ii that came out well and is on the OSI forum website. Any info you can provide on PAL would be great thanks!
Btw there’s also issues I’ve seen with Ballblazer on both the left and right sides and I’ve seen it on some other stuff. It’s all correctable but you have to adjust the horizontal offset and max / min widths to get it spot on. Takes some tinkering but doable.
Glad you got it working properly. Honestly I haven't played many Atari 8bit games or seen that many demos so I don't know what to recommend. I was very much, and I guess still are, a C64 guy
I recorded a video for this boatd a few days back, however, my board doesnt work properly .... Can i ask , did you purchase yours or were they donated ?
I purchased them. Have you reported your issue on the GitHub?
@TheRetroChannel no, I have had many emails with the creator , he's sending me a new unit out, I have tried the c128 and vic20 units and both are flawless quality, The gtia version decodes the picture but its like there is a lot of digital noise in front of the image, reason I asked if you purchased them was to get an idea of price, to uk they're quite expensive at around £50 each after shipping and currency conversion
That price sounds about right. I think it cost around $250USD for the 64, 128 and Atari boards, plus a RGBtoHDMI LumaCode board for each. Really I should have only bought one of the RGBtoHDMI LumaCode boards and saved some cash. It's not like I'd be using all 3 systems at once
Does this replicate the high resolution artifacting color, or does it simply show black and white?
I think it does but I can't say I've tested it myself. If you let me know a game or program that uses it, I will test and report back
@@TheRetroChanneltry Ultima III or Ultima IV both use artifacting for the color production
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