Putting a NEW Motor in the STARK VARG Electric Dirt Bike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- We had to put a new motor in our Stark Varg electric dirt bike first. Here is how it went.
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Despite this motor replacement being an unfortunate situation, there are two things that I cannot deny about Stark Future:
First, is their honesty. From the start, they haven't hidden anything from me, whether it be at the initial test in Spain or here as a customer.
Second, they are on top of it. This controller fault happened on a Sunday afternoon, which was in the middle of the night in Spain. By Thursday morning, 4 days later, I had a complete new Stark Varg powertrain at my door step.
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Range test next!
Better be! Lol.
Really curious to see if you get similar range results as I did.
me too@@enforcer-enduro
People’s fixation on range is just dumb to me. It’s so variable it’s almost irrelevant. 30min-5hrs depending on your ✊ Seb 15 miles. Weekend squid 50 miles.
@@JohnHowerton137 Range makes a big difference when you need to lift the bike to swap the battery. If this bike is the "Holy grail", it better act like it with a pro on top of it and have the best range when all variables are considered.
Seems like a true honest company that doesn't mess around. I hope Stark keeps on this track in the coming years. If so they're fan base will be absolute die hards. Great video 👌
100%.
Things break, shit happens, it's life. Whether it be a mechanical failure or a human error, it sucks, but it happens in pretty much every industry, trade, product and service etc.
What's important is how it's handled afterwards. And it sounds like Stark handled the situation well.
Being honest. Not trying to cover ass / hide stuff. Covering parts that fail. Giving the right advice and information needed to perform the repairs in the event of a failure. Prompt service. Good communication. These are all signs of trustworthy company.
I'm so excited to watch the competitive scene move to electric. It's gonna be chaotic and exciting and a transition unlike any other. 2 stroke to 4 stroke? lol, that's gonna look like a speed bump compared to the disruption that is coming
The first civilian to tear down a Stark Varg!
You're a TH-camr. Of course they serve you as fast as they can. I wanna see a no-name customer being serviced like this.
Mine just keeps getting pushed back... my order date was Dec 15 2021
@@2stroketommy465ohhhh but the other commenters claim they are “cranking out bikes” 😂. Hope you get yours…..
Man, is the dirtbike community full of dirtbags?
Props for publishing this. I can imagine marketing at the company would have preferred you bury this info. Appreciate your honest reviews, and continue to recommend you as a resource. Btw my Varg is supposed to be ready next month. Should I wait?
I'm sure Electric Cycle Rider got a little bit of special treatment to get it there so fast. I mean the fast shipping had to cost them a lot but not as much as a bad review. This is the second inverter I have heard about going out on a Varg. Hopefully they learn from these issues and beef up the inverter/drivetrain to handle the way a dirt bike is ridden. I'm rooting for them as you can see by my name and I hope they sell a street legal version of the same bike. Or something very similar.
I'd be interested to see how they support someone without a TH-cam channel.
Would be cool if people waiting for pre orders weren't getting pushed back while you tubers are getting their second motor motor shipped directly to them. I'm curious what your order date was....
Dude, don't be a clown. You're suggesting a major company abandon warranty claims, a separate allotment of the parts you make for that reason entirely? Come on man, get a grip.
I want one of these so bad. Stark seems to be such an exciting company. It just seems like such a refined package for something so new.
How long did you have it b4 it faulted? And did they let you keep the old motor?
I hope that they’ll be that fast to fix issues to all customers, and not just you because you have a channel with followers.
But for now they look very serious. Only issue are delivery time, weight and apparently battery life for some customers, depending on how and where they use the bike.
Love it…these guys are cranking bikes out and honoring warranty issues. They are definitely impressing me and I don’t regret my order whatsoever! I remember being told this company is “vapor ware” and that I was crazy but it was the best 100$ i ever risked.
I know range tests have to be the hardest content you make cause you can’t just range test it once….you have to do different levels and terrain…you think you could get us a track range test to compare to the trail??
We appreciate the content and definitely understand that range testing is incredibly time consuming and it’s impossible to meet every persons range questions. The amount of uses people have for this bike is endless and we all wanna see our range question answered. Granted mine will be here in a couple weeks I’m interested to see what you get for range to compare to.
Again thanks for the content!
cranking out bikes?
@@seamarsh3756 one factory….be realistic. What do you want? Thousands of bikes a month and quality? Unrealistic….people just look for a reason to hate…..
No one hated on alta and they didn’t do anything close to what stark is doing….just cause people actually want electric bikes now we are gonna be hard on a company making such a huge change in the industry?
No where in the video does he say it was free or even called it warranty work.
From what I read on there website I don’t think these things come with any warranty lol
Love your comment, spot on!@@swank171
I was interested in one of these bikes for enduro. They have been out now for a little while Seems all the TH-camrs get theirs first. The range is pretty important for people who want to go on some longer rides. Seems nobody can ride from 100% to 0% in the forest, just to see what exact range is for easy enduro riding. Maybe Stark isn’t allowing any TH-camr to do this. Stark trying to keep exact figures very foggy. The initial hype I had for stark is wearing off quickly. Marketing can only go so far. Give me a electric enduro bike that can cover at least 120km at 40hp and I’ll be interested, otherwise the current crop of ICE bikes are just too tempting.
Its really hard to get a good representation of range because everyone's use is so different. By the numbers the 6kWh battery on this stark would only last 12minutes at the full 40hp. But who really does that? When was the last time somebody went full throttle for 12min with an almost stalled bike? A gallon of gasoline is 33kWh of energy. so by the chemistry alone the varg has 1/5 of a gallon of gas. But the electric drive is 4-5x more efficient. So Id say you can expect this bike to deliver at least the range/time that you would get out of 3/4 gallon of gasoline. That is a very rough estimate though.
Its alot of riding and very dependent on the terrain. I have ridden my fx for a few hours in the mountains and its down to only 60%, but Im tired and need a break. And when your tired do you really want to run out of juice way back where no one can help you out. its a tough measurement to make. I was surprised how much generation braking extended the battery life in mountains. In the flats or on a track where your just balls out, thats another story. Careening down steep grades actually charges the battery back up a bit if handled right.
@@dansacco1964 Except its not...... everybody gets basically the same range on their woods bikes. 20mpg is very reasonable in the woods and basically universal across all brands.
Nobody rides a dirt bike at (nearly) full throttle during 120 km.
The Varg is a motocross bike and is proven to be competitive in MXGP for the official FIM stints of 30 min. +2 laps.
I managed to over-current my bac4000 on sur Ron and had to buy replacement.
Yours would've been real expensive if it happened just after warrenty runs out aye? When the only real option is full replacement of big parts like that it does make "repair" quite expensive. Hopefully they will be close to bulletproof soon. Did Varg want the old motor back?
This video will assist in skyrocketing the Varg sales. Very reliable Co.
A new motor already, not really a good advert for them, bit of a shame
Cool that you got it sorted quickly. I do wonder how long it would have took if you wanted Stark to organise the swap out like you would if your brand new KTM blew up? Where’s your nearest Stark dealer, as not every owner is going to want to do that job!?
Or have the know how to do that job. A lot of people going to electric bikes have told me they went that route because they don't want to work on engines etc. It's why Surron Ultra Bee, and Rawrr Mantis and others have a large following. People just want to ride, not have to turn a wrench.
After a few practice swaps, how long do you estimate a pro mechanic to do it?
The parts all looked very well built. That battery looks easy to make a quick change for.
Do you have more footage of the swap? I would love to see how the parts nest together if that is allowed.
Check these out, doesn't say how to swap the motor, but it shows how to replace the battery. www.youtube.com/@starkfutureofficial/videos
Where are you riding? Looks like a great place--very scenic.
Saw the title and thought you were doing a mod and was like WTF you are crazy!
It can happen, as you said every brand can have problems with some bikes/parts so i'm not too worried (just an example, 2023 ktm sx 125 with blown motors after 2/3 hours with a broken rod....). The one think that angers me is the non-communication of stark with his customers. You had that quick responce because you give them visibility, they know the bike is good (i know too, i tested it), so they want a good image. But that's not the reality for us "normal" customers: guys that paid for the entire bike back in june and haven't see the bike yet and got always vague answers from Stark. That's not how you behave. I hope they figured prduction out as it seems they're starting making customers bike right now 😢
Looks like a riding wonderland.
you went to say the stook motor of stark varg is not good ? its shut down for enduro ? must be changed the stook motor if you ride for enduro ???*_*
Im interested to know if the phone sends feedback to them about the problem in the bike. That would be cool lol
In enduro mode, in mode 50 hp you can expect 40km with 50% of battery.
For me its better than all other electric brand : ktm, surron, admit, electric motion and so much power!
Not the way I ride, lol
When doing the range test, please note the level at which you start to feel the power decline. I'm thinking at 40% it will be quite noticeable.
Probably more like 10-15%. Even the Freeride is like this and the Stark is 10X more advanced.
People are overreacting to this issue. My Redshift & KTM Freeride both had battery and controller issues when I got on the first batch. It only made the bikes better when the issue was discovered and they warranted it. New bikes always have some kind of issues, especially a company from the ground up. I doubt you would get that kind of service from Sur Ron being an average customer on a high-end bike like this. My GasGas 300 starter kept going out and the head gasket would always peel away on the exhaust side. Turned out to be a metallurgy problem with the studs causing one of them to stretch and not hold torque. Anyway, people are just allergic to common sense nowadays.
Terrible analogy... Ktm is not a startup and Alta went bankrupt overnight and completely screwed everyone that bought one!
@@seamarsh3756 bingo. 12k is a big gamble.
put some supermoto wheels and go for a ride in the city
Great attitude. I go to look at one this week.
I'd be curious to know if the HP is dialed down, does the battery last significantly longer? I love to trail ride thru the mountains - relatively hard. The day was we would go on our 360 Husky's 3-4 hours, fill up and do it all again. I'm wondering if with the 80HP motor, if dialed down to 45 or so, would that last 4-5 hours at a pretty hard pace... ?
Yes it does, the less power you demand from the battery, the more capacity you get out of it.
Though, 4-5h on a hard place with 6.5kWh sounds not realistic. I get 1.5-2h on a hard place with 4kWh having only 17HP.
@@MrMrMrMrMrTalso known as speculation
The first 6 or so XR400'S that came to Australia all blew up. Anndd Honda didn't replace the motor, they had to be rebuilt by the desler
Hopefully they sent you a check for your labor.
Where do I buy stark drive train I've looked everywhere I'm building my own bike and this power train is perfect for what I'm looking for
Interesting to read. A quick and good action from STARK to send you the spare parts.
Who paid fore the work to change the drivetrain?
I had the idea that they should have changed the bike.
I am planning to convert my dad's 1979 Kawasaki KZ650 to electric, and I am looking for the perfect powertrain to use. All the options we have available drastically limit my options as far as battery voltage. I prefer to have a high voltage battery, 360v nominal, using 75ah pouch cells, so it would end up being 100s1p, 360v 75ah = 27KWH. INSANE battery size for a motorcycle. I would have a range of roughly 300 miles on a single charge. I am just now really considering the Stark Varg powertrain, considering it has a nominal battery voltage of 360v and is an AC motor. Damn shame its 3500 bucks used, but my question is, is it worth it?
I bought a new bike with a bad engine, got a new engine...2 months later. Still annoys me so 4 days...yea that's not bad at all, was hoping for the price that Stark would take care of you and sounds like they did.
So can u just buy the motor or u have to have one of those to get a motor if not I just want to buy just the motor and how would I do that ? Or I can buy just the motor on the website u buy them from?
Awesome. I wish electric bikes had selectable modes where you could choose between 2 stroke power pulses and 4 stroke power pulses. The reason I would like to see this is for proper traction in a given situation. Let's say a long slippery hill climb where a 4 stroke power delivery might give you better traction, you would choose it. Or in a hard enduro situation where a slow climb of slippery rock and root trail might be better suited to a mild low end 2 stroke torque situation would be selected. I think if we ever get there, that would be the ultimate electric bike !
I've heard, because it's possible for the computer to adjust traction control hundreds of times more often than ICE engines, options for traction control are greatly improved. Interesting point though. The app on my phone for the sur ron controller is pretty comprehensive. I imagine these are even better
Wont be the same response for us nobodys without big yt channels. Remember all eyes are on them right now, they need to tread carefully. And any other brand would do the same in their position
What is stock futures warranty going to be on the main powertrain components? That could be costly if not covered
not only in parts but in labor. 4 hour job
2 years warranty on there website on the bike.
Cost of mtr & controller & whats the warranty on a sv?
That is pretty cool if Stark. Did they compensate for your labor?
Nice that they stand behind it. Zero absolutely refuses to fix my fx. They just upload a new firmware each time I have problem and wait for the warranty to expire. Only a lawyer will make them budge. I should have waited for the Varg. Id recommend to stay away from Zero as far as possible for anyone making the decision. A license plate is awesome, but the company is using all its money to keep the company afloat and not honoring its customers. A recipe for failure.
They handle very great electric motorcycle and ebike company should help us out alot more
Was Stark willing to have a dealer do this repair work for you, or do they expect you to do it?
i want to know about the payment process, did you pay it all at once?
If you have to make payments on a bike you are buying too expensive of a bike. Save up.
@@kurtheidelbach Kurt, you are a clown, if someone needs to make payments to get one that is fine, get a life dork.
Are there any trained techs to work on Stark?
was that a t7 in your garage?
I want one so bad! I love this thing, cant get enough! Its so darn impressive... and its from my home country to boot! :D I cant even afford the tires on it tho! rofl
Bro, where do you live? Absolutely gorgeous riding!
So can u just the motor and just asking? What do I go on to do it
Buy
Stark is not going to be able to compete with gas bike reliability. My KTM 300 has 260 hrs original engine with ZERO problems.
You obviously haven’t Alta’s are still going strong and Varg is much better
YOU ARE DEFENDING THEM????
Did you get any perks from Stark for becoming their new mechanic?
Stark Varg = Strong Wolf in swedish 👍
How much for the broken one
Nice!
Got My Stark first ride batterij 100% to 5% in 54 minutes trail riding, think its a very bad range. Second ride bike does the same as yours no throttle think I need A new power train also
man id be bummed if my 12 thousand dollar bike needed to be torn down right away. Surron worked from day 1
So you have to replace the whole motor you can't rebuild it, another negative! What's the cost of that. ?
Nobody's perfect, but my cash. I want an enduro. Love my 701 Husky, but lighter weight would be user friendly
And were all blown away that they honored their warranty and had actual customer service?? Man what's it coming too? They should have sent you a brand new bike so you didn't have to do any labor.
Ktm, yamaha oe another other would have either ignored it or would have forced him to qait weeks to months for a dealer to fix it.
All the warranty money goes to the CEO these days. No one hardly honors their warranty unless the threat of legal action is present. CEO relative pay was 20-to-1 in 1965 in the US, but had risen to 376-to-1 by 2000. Thats why I try to as much as possible engage small businesses who are dependent upon good customer service.
@@zaarkeru3391that's total bullshit you are talking there, 100% bullshit.
I'm understand your point of view but I'm really disappointed with this because think how many bikes can come with that same issue 😢... Maybe this can put the brand in problem in the future...
It's a new product. KTM Suron, every manufacturer had itt's share of problems but they would not give you the same warranty and service. You're overeating for nothing.
AND YOU HAD TO DO LABOR YOURSELF ON YOUR OWN DIME?! WARRANTY WORK DONE BY YOURSELF??????
I'll rather do ot rather than waiting on a shop...
MX is about tinkering after all
@@zaarkeru3391lmfao! That's ridiculous, it's okay to have a negative opinion here. What is the god damn point of a warranty? Mx is about riding, not tinkering with electronics...
@@polska905
How was my comment damning?
He had the option of doing it himself, with continuing warranty instead of taking the MX to a shop so they could do it...
He didnt loose time.
Half of the comments about the Varg is about it being soulless and without a ICE, too easy.
@@zaarkeru3391 I never once said it was soulless, you are just repeating nonsense comments you read online, never actually rode a motorcycle before... Lol
"He didn't lose time" Are you retarded? So by your logic he gained time by disassembling and reassembling half a bike?
@@zaarkeru3391 how was my comment damning.... Lmfao! Gotta be a bot or just a braindead sheep... Lol
How do I take the damn seat off
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So is the Stark Varg your new favorite ride?
It’s unfortunate that Stark released a unfinished product to placate their investors instead of the engineers…. A reasonably prudent person would believe that it’s not Stark’s “excellent” customer service but at this point it’s more akin to corporate damage control…
Sounds like they weren't sure about the issue since they've just swapped the whole powertrain.
What would the alternative be? They can't assume that every customer is an electrical engineer capable of fixing these things using their instructions. If you bought a new ICE bike and the motor quit I'm pretty sure they would do the same, no?
A lot of big companies could learn from this. Unfortunately it seems the bigger the company gets, the less they care, and the more people are involved in every small decision. With startups, they usually have a small team of people wearing multiple hats.
God… how much is that motor even cost??
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I think SirRonster broke it :P
You just buy a new bike in one day and destroy the motor??!! Bro the company dumped
Get a good look. In 5 years, it will look like that permanently, as a paperweight.
Looks like a phase overcurrent error honestly
Yeah my home built bike does this. It's so frustrating.
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Nothing hard about a range test ....only in your head it's hard get on with it...100%to0% in a circuit job done.
Imagine spending 13k+ on a bike you have to rebuild yourself.. I’d be livid
It’s the risk you take when you buy first generation of anything
Electrics are not hard to tear down.
He's an early adopter. We are waiting for them to get the kinks worked out for the rest of us.
It’s happened to all kinds of people on 23 KTMs with bad cylinders
I'll stick with my Kawi , good on the transparency though . To bad we all believe fossil fuels are going to be a thing of the past . Thank the government for that .
Nobody is advertising the Varg for that. It’s a growth opportunity for the sport not a replacement. It’s not the Government’s fault the bike isn’t even made in the US LOL.
'Promo sm' 💦
Tesla had all kinds of issues when they first introduced their cars. Ford I’d having all kinds of issues with their first model of the Maverick. Like you said, it’s a brand new company and a brand new product. Folks need to understand that when they buy the bike and temper their expectations accordingly.
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