Just think... in Arkham Origins, Bane blew up a balcony, sending the Joker falling to his death. Batman saved him. Had he simply let the Joker die, he (a) would NOT have broken his one rule, since it was Bane who would have actually killed Joker, and (b) would have saved hundreds of not thousands of innocent lives that the Joker took over the next 8 years.
Well technically thats the most Batman-like choice to make. He's saved joker and bane and others in various games and shows and movies. In the red hood movie jason even questions why he didnt kill joker after all he has done. Also the Batman hush movie where he tried to save Hush even though he had killed and endangered certain people.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" Seriously though, as much as I love Batman, restoring Ra's health back is a pretty dumb idea. Just let him die, don't save him.
I think Batman saves them because he believes they’re not too far gone. He still believes that somewhere inside each villain, there’s still an ounce of humanity, a spark of good. I like to think that Batman saves them hoping that maybe, just maybe, they’ll change and use their abilities for good. If Batman were to kill, or simply let them die, he completely flushes out that possibility, the possibility of change. Batman doesn’t believe he is in the position to make choices like that. Although he’s certainly superior to all his enemies and even his allies, he still believes he has no right to make that call: to decide the fate of a person’s life. Hence, he won’t just allow someone to succumb to death, if he has the ability to save them.
Also, I think that’s why Batman makes the hard choices. He has such a strong conviction, but at the same time, he understands what needs to be done. He’ll search out every cause before simply resorting to death. That’s what makes Batman so epic time. In Ra’s case, I believe Batman would’ve killed him, but the two choices show the two sides of Batman. On one end we have the Batman who believes there’s still another way, despite having gone through so many. On the other end, we have the Batman who understands there is no other way, and ultimately does the hard choice.
I dunno, I took it as Ra's finally seeing Batman's point of view, and accepting his mortality and making peace with the world. He saw that Batman was right, and told him he was proud of him. I don't know, maybe I'm misinterpreting it.
I always decide to destroy the Lazarus machine because in Arkham City, after he fought Ra's, Batman told him to kick his addiction to the Lazarus Pit & call off his crusade or he'll come back to do it himself. Batman gave Ra's a warning and he didn't listen. So, with that ending, he kept his promise to Ra's.
That's actually a good point, like is a good point that Batman also says to Joker "Even after everything you've done, i would save you.". To be honest if the game didn't demand it like this Batman would still probably save Ra's, and then destroy Lazarus (And probably saved Nyssa since Ra's was too old to beat Batman, but ok). So to be honest i still prefer the "Save Ra's" ending, but i liked this point of yours which is also legit.
@@danyt1232It wasn't Batman's fault what happened to Joker, he wanted to cure Joker but he jumped Batman, catching him off guard and dropping the cure
Benjamin C Batman is basically a Bat themed ninja with a tank... And a HQ... And fake toy guns.... And Clowns in his.... Head....... Forget what I said.
In Arkham city he wants that Batman kill him cause he was tired of get revived again anf again he tried to stop it but his ego refused it that’s why he said he‘s proud of Batman
Some might consider the choice to let Ra's die is a violation of his oath not to kill, however considering the fact that Ra's died during the events of Arkham City only to be resurrected in a zombified state and kept alive by Lazarus machines, it can be argued that Ra's wasn't actually alive but an unnatural undead state caused by the Lazarus machines. By destroying the Lazarus machines, Batman is simply allowing nature to run its course as Ra's undead body can no longer sustain itself without the Lazarus machines causing the undead Ra's to revert back to being dead. Also should he restore Ra's to life, it will result in the revived Ra's killing his daughter Nyssa (Talia's young sister), thus Batman would be directly (though unintentionally) responsible for her death. By denying Ra's his immortality, Batman prevents Nyssa's death and prevents her from becoming a monster like Ra's by convincing her not to take revenge on her own father who's unnatural life was practically over anyway since the Lazarus machines that caused his undead existence where gone.
Imagine if this was the main story: There is a civil war amongst the assassins. Ra's vs Nyssa. Because the war is tearing Gotham apart, the various super villains choose their own sides which also causes civil war amongst the villians. Batman has to call in the bat family to stop both sides from tearing the city to shreds. Ultimately batman realizes that in order to end the war, he has to choose one side to stop the other. The thing is, you are able to choose any side you wish. This affects the outcome of the story and it also affects the way the various characters see you.
That would be so good but with one twist. Choose the character you play as. It’s fun being bat man but being able to choose the other characters would be so cool
That's actually the plot of the War of Jokes and Riddles: there's a war between Joker and the Riddle, and the each criminal picks a side. Eventually, Batman understands that the only way to end this war and prevent other victims is to choose a side himself.
@@creatos2556 no he didn't, he prevented his rebirth, no one else on earth gets to be reborn, perhaps the argument can be made that Batman should put every effort into curing him in the short term THEN destroy the machine. Batman's oath is never to end a life, not to make sure that life restarts after its already over. The mystical element here throws a big grey area into Batmans rules and im glad they played with that here.
@@JoshMarshain After i thought this thru. No, he killed him. If he would destroy only a Cure (not machine) ras would still be Alive. It was machine that kept him living and Batman destroyed it.
When Ra's asked to do it for Talia, I immediately thought that he said that so none of his guards would understand. In Arkham City, Talia wanted you to kill her father. Besides Ra's repeatedly said that the pit is no longer efficient, that it damages his mind more and more, he just wants to die. Moreover, he wants Batman to end his life. In my opinion, Batman would have destroyed the Lazarus Pit, because it is Ra's wish. Besides, the ending where you let him die feels better than the one where you save him. Nobody dies,exept Ra's, and he says : "Proud of you" meaning you made what he wanted. Nyssa takes control and you are sure that no more innocents will die. When you save Ra's, the league leaves for a while, but it will return, killing more innocents in the process. Letting Ra's die is the more human thing to do : Ra's lived for centuries, saw thousands of things, cheated death. Now he wants his life to end, finally. Taking another dose of Lazarus' substance would only make him more violent and aggressive, like Ra's is no longer in control of his mind, the Lazarus' substance is. For a man like Ra's, letting him live is more of a torture than common sense. He lived long enough, and now grows tired of this life. Its league has a blind trust towards him, they do not understand his pain. Ra's is too weak to even kill himself. Nyssa understands that, calling him a zombie who lost his mind. Destroying the Lazarus Pit is not a murder, it is answering the final wish of a dead man. No one can blame Batman for that, even Alfred makes the point that considering Ra's' special lifetime, it would be absurd to even call it a murder. Because he died so many times before. Ra's is too tired, I mean his intestines are litteraly hanging out, he lived for centuries, like the Highlander, he just wants to die. There is no longer a moral question about his death, it is just something natural that needs to happen. "Do it for Talia, end my suffering Batman, destroy everything for me and her" I think this is what he would have told Batman if they were alone.
I'm first to reply and yeah you're absolutely right, i hven't see it from this but yeah, everyone saying that he should live isn't really the good choice, they don't understand
He did say in Arkham City that his mind and body couldn't take much more. After 600 years of using the Pit the damage to his mind had become permanent. At first when someone uses a Lazarus Pit the insanity's only temporary. But Ra's had been using it for so long he'd probably gone totally insane. I'm guessing that after he stabbed himself with his own sword and was impaled on the Arkham City sign his body was too ravaged to be healed by the Pit so they had to hook him up to that machine.
29:16 ... Kevin Conroy delivered that line in a way that was not only brilliant but also unexpected. It sounded like he was about to give Ra's some sort of lecture about evil but stopped in his tracks when he realized he was not truly evil and actually had... well, he said it: Conviction. Despite his atrocious actions, Bruce Wayne/Batman showed respect to the one adversary who deserved it. EDIT: Wow that's a lot of likes. Thanks!
Bruce saw the good man Ra's originally was. That his crusade was originally much like his own. But the pit had warped him into a monster unable to stop his own bloodlust
@@Knightt127 but we're talking about the League of Assassins. They have resources all over the world, they could have tried to find it, could'nt they? PS: sorry for possible english faults.
If you kill Ra’s, Batman actually has a reason to initiate the Knightfall Protocol, in Batman Beyond, the reason why Bruce retired was because he pointed a gun at a criminal, making this a definite reason why Bruce would retire here, so if you beat the story and the rest of the side missions, this could be a fitting end to the Arkham series for you
1. It's not killing him, it's just letting him die. 2. That's not what the Knightfall Protocol is. The Knightfall Protocol is Batman's contingency plan for if his identity gets out. He goes inside the mansion and it explodes, making the world think Bruce Wayne is dead, which from a certain point of view he is, as he can no longer do all the parties and be out in public as Bruce Wayne, but he can still be Batman, and that way no one will know who the "new" Batman is. That's exactly what he did at the end of this game
@@A.H.goose1 yes and no, letting a criminal die is against Batman's code. However Ra's wasn't exactly alive at this point, he was just a husk that the League was trying to bring back, I mean Nyssa said herself that he wasn't really alive, that that thing was just like a zombie on life support basically and her father gone, that his mind had been twisted beyond repair. Batman's decision wasn't between saving him and letting him die, it was between bringing him back to life or letting nature take its course and not bring him back to life
The detail on Ra's showcase is amazing! I totally recommend everyone seeing it up close. If you zoom in on his midsection he still has a gaping hole there, back to front, from his skewering in Arkham City. He's got some pulsating organs and stringy flesh in there, like his body is regrowing itself. Plus his eyes and expression! Ra's al Ghul has never been one of my favorite villains, I'm just not a fan of anything to do with the al Ghuls, but I was super impressed with this DLC and Ra's al Ghul's design! Grade A!
neither choice conflicts with batman's character if you really think about it destroying the machine doesnt mean killing Ra's he was already dying its a better choice than to revive a madman and letting innocents die
I agree with what youre sayjng I think the idea behind the other option was that Ras was testing the dark knight and if you revived him you would essentially pass his trickery never to kill
I say that letting Ra's die is the best option. Technically Batman did it before. Remember that episode of Batman Beyond where Ra's took over Talia's body and it ended with her being caught in a burning building? Terry offered to go back in to save Talia, but Bruce basically said, "Whatever's in there has already been dead for years." I think of it that way in this scenario.
That would be a good idea if Strange was simply throwing the most violent and dangerous criminals into Arkham and not also criminals who weren't extremely violent along with innocent people like Bruce and Jack Ryder.
NY Jets Because people who do commentary playthroughs is their first time playing the game. The point of that is to record their reaction to viewers. I'm not sure about the silent players though, but there are some who aren't so good too. The professional ones probably played the game before it came out or works for the company. Idk.
NY Jets mostly its the division of attention. When you are providing commentary your attention gets divided between talking and playing the game. But when it's no commentary your full attention goes into the game and you do better at it. That being said some gamers are better than others commentary or not.
"De... tec... tive? Proud...of...you." That was beautiful from Ra's, because he respected Batman in the end, knowing that he could never break his moral code or his beliefs and respected him for the man he is. And Batman in a show of respect, did not slam the cell door like the rest of the criminals, he merely closed it.
A lot of you really misunderstood that line. By refusing to save a life, batman DID break his code. That’s why Ras is proud. That line is probably one of the worst things Bruce has ever had to hear. People get confused and think letting Ras die has no downside, but that line represents the downside. For Bruce that line is brutal
@@chrissmart21what would you have said if joker was brought back for this dlc? I can see him getting teary eyed for speeding up a man's dying process.
@@A.H.goose1Ra's was kind of tired of the Lazarus Pit and this cycle was painful for him, hence why we see him weak in Arkham Knight. The way I see it, by destroying that machine Batman was releasing Ra's from this cycle. But I also get your point.
Yeah.He even said it himself to his followers to let him die.Strange thing is that everything seems fine and Gotham is safe even if he spares Ra's,since Alfred says that he's averted war(if you choose to administer cure).
I would do that option also we don't want the Lazarus rebuilt you know how dangerous Ra's is? He is the most dangerous super villain in the world they don't call him the Demon for nothing. He knows Batman's identity he tried to shanghi Batman to him in the service back during his origin in exchange for the hand of Talia that plan backfired 15 times each time Batman destroyed the Lazarus. Ra's always comes up with a contingency plan this is his last attempt.
It still makes him betray his code. Why? While choosing to save Raj batman said - "I'm no killer". Also Alfred says if you save Raj - Good job sir. You prevented a civil war while not breaking your code. Nyssa also while dying says - Stupid stuborn fool. That's why she loved you. If you destroy the Lazarus pit Raj says - Detective... proud of you... meaning that you did what he wanted, to leave a man to die, if you do that, you can go even further. Batman - I wanted to kill him yes, many times, but if i let myself go on that path, i wont be coming back. By choosing to destroy the Lazarus pit, you betrayed your nature. The Joker needed a cure to prevent dying, he, just like Raj, wanted to live, Batman was ready to give him the cure to save the Joker although it was the wrong choice. It's not that different than this cituation. The moral question was this - are you ready to brake your code to do something for the greater good? Are you ready to let someone die? Yes, definitely the good choice is to let Raj die, but the right choice was also to kill the Joker, Killer Croc and the other maniacs to prevent their escape and start murdering again. The code of Batman is the only thing that is pure but also makes him flawed. All things here point that Batman betrayed his code, you may dissagree but batman thinks it like that.
These side-missions are a perfect example of how the entire game should've used the Batmobile. It feels like the previous games, the Batmobile isn't overused, and it isn't annoying.
32:03 - the moment Ras told Bruce about this sentence, it actually dawned to me. They have different ways of fighting injustice, but Ras never forgot the fact that he kept Batman under his wing during his training arc. They are different in many ways, but a former mentor turned villain saying that he is proud of what Batman has done, this is another bond between the two.
Ngl bro, Ras only trained batman in the nolan films. In these games he didn’t, initiation in origins shows that. He was trained by Kirigi and lady shiva. That “proud of you” line isn’t a good thing. Both endings have a negative part to them, and that line is the negative for this ending. He’s not proud of what Bruce has become, he’s proud of him for essentially breaking his main rule and killing in a way. He probably says it more to torment batman, but even if it’s genuine, Ras being proud of batman is telling the player that you broke batmans rule and what he stands for by refusing to save a life. That line is brutal, probably one of the worst things batman has ever had to hear
In the Shadow War DLC, Batman's choice this time is between giving a prick, who happens to be Damian Wayne's grandpa, new lease on life and letting him kill innocents more and letting nature take its course and letting him go to a better place after you send him to the GCPD.
People say that the "proud of you" line was basically an insult to Batman but the way I see it Ra's is just amazed that Batman was able to end Ra's without even technically killing him Plus Ra's even said he was afraid of what came out of the pit Ra's dying meant he didn't have to be afraid anymore
Don’t you think it would be weird if one ending had no downside? The proud of you isn’t an insult from Ras, but it is an insult to Bruce. Batman refused to save a life. He broke his code. That’s the downside of the ending and that line represents that
"You weren't a good man, Ra's...but you had...conviction." "Detective...proud of you." The mutual respect between foes is a weird, but fascinating thing.
@@A.H.goose1 it's really up to personal interpretation, The Arkhamverse is really all over the place when it comes to continuity so it really doesn't matter how someone individual interrupts a vague sentence
I never heard of Nyssa until now, Batman Arkham games still teaching me about Batman lore, that may be what I love most about these games, I remember before I played these games even though I don't read comic books I thought I knew everything about Batman from the animated series and movies, but then I played Arkham Asylum and realized how ignorant I really was and actually explored the lore
I did the very same. The scannable Easter eggs about each character in asylum were amazing and so interesting with helping to learn about the franchise
So basically let's get this straight. SPOILERS Option 1 you revive a ideological homicidal maniac who wanted to create world peace in Arkham City by setting up global concentration camps to get rid of undesirables. His first action is to kill his daughter, proving he's just as insane as ever, and leaving her blood on Batman's hands. Option 2 you remove the support from said maniac, allowing him to die peacefully. His daughter, proclaimed as the most rational Al Ghul family member, then takes over the League of Assassins and swears to not end innocent lives. Why on earth would you not pick 2?
Reviving Ra's feels like the choice Batman would canonically make. That being said, seeing how much death Ra's has caused even while half dead is just proof that Ra's should just be allowed to pass on. I feel like destroying the machine was the more sensible and pragmatic option.
+CheesyGranola I destroyed the machine because it made logical sense, and I also "roleplayed it" in the aspect that Bruce actually listens to Alfred's advice after the monumental fuck-ups he did during the main game.
+CheesyGranola Then again, Batman already "killed" Solomon Grundy without batting an eye, even though he and Ra's share the same source of immortality. The only thing holding him back right now is the hope that Ra's could be more human again.
+Kamikaze Failure Abalasismabababadan True ... but if someone WERE to point that out to Bruce... I don't think he'd have any problem letting anyone someone die that lived a prolonged life due to the Lazarus Pit.
The man has died He has came back to life multiple times A machine keeps him "alive" even though he is a human vegetable Destroying the machine will save millions Come on batman it isn't that hard
@@NinjaBoyTellEm92 Um....no? What Batman did here was let nature finally take its course by letting Ra's expire as he should have long ago without the pit's waters. Injustice Superman's case was straight up murder and it was out of revenge than any actual justice.
@@rojaedavis8367 if Batman wanted nature to take its course, Batman wouldn't intervene at all. The winner of the fight between rebels and league would've decided whether Ra's lived or not.
@@dipanjanghosal1662 True. But thing is, Batman is a hero. As as MHA says, a hero is someone who sticks their noses in people's business. Besides, since the league and even the rebels have little problem with collateral damage, it's probably best he intervened before a bad situation turned much much worse.
@@rojaedavis8367 yeah I know. I just said if he really wanted nature to take its course, he wouldn't intervene. But being a hero, he will intervene, and then whatever happens to Ra'as is his responsibility.
Kara Actually Ra's was still alive and needed the machine to extend his life a bit more. So Batman didnt kill him. Ra's was deteriorating and reaching death on his own. Wasnt Batman's doing.
"Ra's kills for his cause...I never will..." proceeds to run over (and I don't care what the game says about that not killing them) multiple criminals.
I have to say, seeing the options, I would have destroyed the machine. But i feel it would have been a more touching story if Batman had taken Ra's back to the cave with him and cared for him until the day he passed, as a way to honor the memory of Talia. Ra's was no longer a threat, he deserved to die peacefully and with someone who truly understood him. Had Damian been part of the game, the sight of his father caring for his dying grandfather would probably have reconciled the two natures he caries within him.
Arkham Batman doesn't deserve Damian. And plus, Rocksteady didn't want to follow the exact same origins from comics and adding Damian in the game. Sure Bruce and Talia had a night, but it doesn't mean she later got pregnant. Think a little more.
supervanilla101 nah talia is still more hotter for me bro so yeah i wasn't quite surprise that nyssa is also hot too since she and talia are sisters of course lol
The reason this decision was so difficult for me was because what happened at the end of Arkham City. "You want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I would have saved you." Batman was willing to save a homicidal maniac like the Joker, but when given this ultimatum, he's faced with nearly the same choice, and it's up to the player to decide. It was very hard for me, because I felt like in both outcomes, Batman loses. Either he lets a near-immortal homicidal warlord continue his killing spree for generations to come, or he is left questioning his morals, if he broke his one main rule, perhaps even thinking if he'll do it again. Now you could argue that Joker killed himself by stabbing Batman, causing him to drop the cure, but Batman could've outright said out loud "Here, take the cure." No, he thought about simply just letting Joker die, lamenting their 'running gag' between him and Joker, and how many lives he's dooming by letting him live on. Perhaps he really was going to let the clown die, and simply said that to Joker as his way of getting the last laugh. I chose to let Ra's die. Yeah yeah 'ends justify the means' blah blah I felt like Batman made that mistake once, he's not doing it again. Like what Batman says to Ra's in Batman Begins: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." But in a way, the real winner was Ra's al Ghul. "Detective....proud...of..you" He got the last laugh.
Plus Batman in this game is changing to become something more. As we see when he uses fear toxin to defend Gotham. So him letting Ra’s pass is him finally letting these go and end is kind of a major theme for this game about letting things end and start anew.
No Batman wouldn't lie about saving Joker while he's dying to "get his last laugh". Its completely out of character for him. If he said that he still would've saved him, he really would've. He just didn't want to give it to the Joker immediately.
The appeal of this game for me was locking up villains. I don’t know why, but capturing villains and throwing them away in cells was very appealing to me and I wish there were more or a new Batman game because Batman has the greatest villains and locking them up as the caped crusader is so much fun
While a debate can be put to the test on whether Batman killed Ra's al Ghul by destroying the machines, he didn't have to save him to begin with. If it were me, I would have destroyed the machines; it's not like he had long to live anyway.
Ultimately destroying the machine was the right choice as it in the long run ended the threat of the League of Assassin's being in Gotham and ultimately killing innocent people.
This mission is fun but I still don't get why Rocksteady decided to give Ra's such a small role in the game. Ra's is one of Batman's biggest villains and he just had one side mission. He could have been this games main villain, it would have been a better twist than Arkham Knight=Jason Todd
Ra's Al Ghul is one of my favorite villains in the Batmanverse but he technically was already the main villain in Arkham City. As for dealing with the Joker in Arkham City, that was more of a loose end imo...
Crazy Ass ninjas. I would rather go up against a crazy ass ninja instead of Batman though The guy never even moved for the ninja, that is just common curtsey.
Don Albornoz it's a matter of preference. I would rather die than pass through the very fucking painful process of braking all of my bones, which would also lead to psychological trauma with a big possibility that I would't be able to recover fully
SPOILERS: In Arrow, Nyssa destroys the pit because they resurrected Sara, and she didn't want that. She loved her too much. In Arkham Knight, she destroys it for her father.
For those of you saying "Ra's saying 'proud of you' fills me with shame" well, tbf,in arkham city he wanted batman to destroy him and the pit because it was making him less human, and batman kept his promise of coming back for him
32:41 Fun fact: The gear on the display will change depending on your choice. Its either the bandana and kunai (like here) If you kill Ra´s, and a Mask and two knives if you save Ra´s (The gear is from the losing party)
Yeah, I was so sad, and mad at the end of Arkham City, I was like... Nooo, they can't possibly kill of the Joker, right?, but they bloody did, and ever since then I never play Arkham City to the end, because watching Joker die makes me too sad. :/
You technically do with catwomen ending choice, choosing to escape with the money and leaving batman to die, has the credits have distress call from Barbara how jokers plan for immortality worked and is basically unstoppable now, the rest of batman family are dead along with her dad
@@spinozilla2421 there's actually a secret message that plays when the game rewinds for the player to make the right choice. It's Joker saying "Thanks for the entertainment, Bats." Creepy, huh?
(Batman standing over the corpse of his dead lover's sister while a zombie maniac roams free on the streets) Batman:....yep this was the right decision, I did a good thing today...
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н, hmm, doesn't seem TOO crazy a plotline. Ra's played the honest politician for a while, then he got shot in the head by Booth and said, "you know what, screw these people. It's genocide time."
He's "proud of you" in the second ending because Batman finally did what Ra's al Ghul always wanted him to do: To Kill. How exactly? Because pulling a dying man off of his life support, any such man that is fighting to survive their condition, without his or any proper consent is still considered killing.
the man literally wanted to die. his sanity was getting more and more fucked up every resurrection. He even says to "do it for talia" as in finish him like she wanted so desperately to happen.
@@gianmarcoponente4609 But, without Ra's al Ghul, who will lead the League of Assassins? Oh wait, Talia would be in charge and do something stupid like destroy Gotham!
"Detective...proud...of you" incase your wondering he's proud because Batman made a hard choice a choice where he couldn't save everyone even though it will lead to someone dying.
Ra’s survives either way, even if you destroy the machine, he still lives after that, it shows that he’s still alive in GCPD, it just says “injured” not “deceased”
OMG.... i just realized how this dlc is basicaly a refference to the joker himself and to the plot of arkham city.Get the cure for joker or do not give him the cure was not an available option but i am glad that in this game had this one (sorry for my bad english)
it sucks cause back in Arkham Asylum there was Prometheus database i was overhyped as fck for him. When did Jason killed Bane lmfao, Red Hood won't ever beat him just he wasnt in Gotham
I'm late but I really love the graphics and style of Batman Arkham Knight more as well. However, my only problem is all the shimmering and rugged edges everywhere. I wish the game had hdr, better anti-aliasing, and 4k support to make the game look even better. I don't know how the pc version looks like but I'm just comparing the PS4 versions to make it equal since Spiderman is only on PS4, not pc. That's the one thing Spiderman did better, graphics-wise. But overall, I do prefer Batman Arkham Knight's look better.
+Makari Smith I had hope Arkham Knight was actually Heretic instead, trying to take out Dad for getting Mommy killed. Then use the Wayne company to help fund/arm his crew.
Yeah right. Then she would be even crazier than before. Go away. >.> She should have never appeared in Arkhamverse in the first place. She is almost as terrible as her father.
Oh, and by the way? IMPRESSIVE Playthrough! Taking the time to hear the dialogue, the cutscenes, zooming in on details. ...And the perfect combat. Promps!
The second option was the right move. Ra's was already dead and dying without the machine. Not even a mercy killing, Ra's over use of the Lazarus Pit worsened his condition, taking a person off life support who will eventually die is not murder. And with the ending of option #1 if Batman had saved Ra's more blood would have been shed. Being like Batman would be cool, just don't inherit his one rule.
The pure properties of the Lazarus pit fades after each time Ra's uses it, making it useless and as a result it left him nothing more but a revenant of his former self. Batman's morality tends to blind him of what is right in front of him, but if choosing to save him with what's left of the last pure brew of the Lazarus pit, then Nyssa's blood as well as gotham with be on his hands, not Ra's. Last time I checked, Ra's death would've been natural, the pit is beyond saving him...
This might be a weird thing to say, but I actually felt sad for Ra's here. He used to be so powerful and regal, but now he can barely sit up straight, let alone talk. Destroying the machine and letting him die in peace honestly seems like the best option here.
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Hearing Alfred say "crazy-ass ninjas" just made my day
Nah he meant to say ninjas ;)
Exactly 😂😂
Ikr xD his accent and the fact that he speaks so formally all the Time makes it 100 times better
What time?
DalekLordOfPizza Around 20 seconds
Batman- "What would you do, Alfred?"
Alfred- "Well sir, quite simply, I'd kill that crazy-ass ninja."
Lol
Emmanuel Fletcher this is underrated 😂😂😂
400th LIKE BABY
Emmanuel Fletcher lol
Where???
Where is that part in the video?
I just heard Alfred say "Crazy-ass ninjas." my life is complete.
Same 😂
yeah XD
Which part in the video does he say that?? LOL
+barrymk400 Yeah that shit was funny.
+Sebastien Olibrice 0:23
The stupidiest choice to revive a genocidal zombie.
"You know what your problem is, detective? you always choose ethics over logic".
-Riddler
Just think... in Arkham Origins, Bane blew up a balcony, sending the Joker falling to his death. Batman saved him.
Had he simply let the Joker die, he (a) would NOT have broken his one rule, since it was Bane who would have actually killed Joker, and (b) would have saved hundreds of not thousands of innocent lives that the Joker took over the next 8 years.
Well technically thats the most Batman-like choice to make. He's saved joker and bane and others in various games and shows and movies.
In the red hood movie jason even questions why he didnt kill joker after all he has done. Also the Batman hush movie where he tried to save Hush even though he had killed and endangered certain people.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" Seriously though, as much as I love Batman, restoring Ra's health back is a pretty dumb idea. Just let him die, don't save him.
I think Batman saves them because he believes they’re not too far gone. He still believes that somewhere inside each villain, there’s still an ounce of humanity, a spark of good.
I like to think that Batman saves them hoping that maybe, just maybe, they’ll change and use their abilities for good.
If Batman were to kill, or simply let them die, he completely flushes out that possibility, the possibility of change. Batman doesn’t believe he is in the position to make choices like that.
Although he’s certainly superior to all his enemies and even his allies, he still believes he has no right to make that call: to decide the fate of a person’s life.
Hence, he won’t just allow someone to succumb to death, if he has the ability to save them.
Also, I think that’s why Batman makes the hard choices. He has such a strong conviction, but at the same time, he understands what needs to be done. He’ll search out every cause before simply resorting to death. That’s what makes Batman so epic time.
In Ra’s case, I believe Batman would’ve killed him, but the two choices show the two sides of Batman. On one end we have the Batman who believes there’s still another way, despite having gone through so many. On the other end, we have the Batman who understands there is no other way, and ultimately does the hard choice.
"Detective...proud of you..."
That sentence is one of the worst things Batman could ever hear from Ra's. It makes you think.
Rocksteady nailed it with freeze and ra's in season of infamy
Season of Infamy were more better than the original side quests
@@migueljiujitsu2011 yeah exactly
Miguel idk the penguin side quest ending with Nightwing was a heartbreaker
I dunno, I took it as Ra's finally seeing Batman's point of view, and accepting his mortality and making peace with the world. He saw that Batman was right, and told him he was proud of him.
I don't know, maybe I'm misinterpreting it.
I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you..
-Bat to Ra's in Batman Begins.
NIIIIIIICE
the most badass lines in batman begins.
Vicent Serrano and also a justice word for real justice people like batman would say
Lmao that's still killing tho.
Lazy writing to get around rules
I always decide to destroy the Lazarus machine because in Arkham City, after he fought Ra's, Batman told him to kick his addiction to the Lazarus Pit & call off his crusade or he'll come back to do it himself. Batman gave Ra's a warning and he didn't listen. So, with that ending, he kept his promise to Ra's.
MrMainandSmash true
Both make sense. Batman was going to share the cure with the joker.
That's actually a good point, like is a good point that Batman also says to Joker "Even after everything you've done, i would save you.". To be honest if the game didn't demand it like this Batman would still probably save Ra's, and then destroy Lazarus (And probably saved Nyssa since Ra's was too old to beat Batman, but ok).
So to be honest i still prefer the "Save Ra's" ending, but i liked this point of yours which is also legit.
Good points all around
Yep!
31:51 He carries Ra’s out, the man who was the plan maker and power behind Arkham City, the same way Batman carried Joker out
IRONY ! BRUH
Nice
It's also very interesting because in both games, it's made to look like Batman killed them both.
31:51
@@danyt1232It wasn't Batman's fault what happened to Joker, he wanted to cure Joker but he jumped Batman, catching him off guard and dropping the cure
I realized that all the people in the morgue were from the initial coffee shop scene cool call back
Justin Kelly lhgthvg
Justin Kelly
It was a dinner not a coffee shop
Yeah! That made me sad. I really liked the Waitress lady. She looked kinda cute.
Yeah. It's the same ones from the start.
"Ra's kills for his cause. I never will"
*proceeds to run over 6 or 7 criminals and destroy their cars*
LOL
Stolen
His Batmobile has a non-lethal electric shock that activates when someone is get close to the vehicle.
@@daanyaalmohammed4300 He was joking and that explanation is hand waived.
Spartan Q77 I couldn’t tell sorry.
"You see a ninja,you let the ninja pass" that's a lesson for life
+Shadow gotsiz bars
"It's a basic courtesy too"
The more you know
its true man never mess with a ninja
Benjamin C Batman is basically a Bat themed ninja with a tank... And a HQ... And fake toy guns.... And Clowns in his.... Head....... Forget what I said.
"Proud... of... you."
That was probably the greatest insult Batman had ever received.
I think it's not an insult. At the start of the quest Ra's asks Batman to kill him for Talya. I think that he got what he wanted.
@@iliaskaravakos6830 he meant "that feel like an insult to Batman"
@@tuananhnguyen6274 and he's still wrong
In Arkham city he wants that Batman kill him cause he was tired of get revived again anf again he tried to stop it but his ego refused it that’s why he said he‘s proud of Batman
Some might consider the choice to let Ra's die is a violation of his oath not to kill, however considering the fact that Ra's died during the events of Arkham City only to be resurrected in a zombified state and kept alive by Lazarus machines, it can be argued that Ra's wasn't actually alive but an unnatural undead state caused by the Lazarus machines. By destroying the Lazarus machines, Batman is simply allowing nature to run its course as Ra's undead body can no longer sustain itself without the Lazarus machines causing the undead Ra's to revert back to being dead.
Also should he restore Ra's to life, it will result in the revived Ra's killing his daughter Nyssa (Talia's young sister), thus Batman would be directly (though unintentionally) responsible for her death. By denying Ra's his immortality, Batman prevents Nyssa's death and prevents her from becoming a monster like Ra's by convincing her not to take revenge on her own father who's unnatural life was practically over anyway since the Lazarus machines that caused his undead existence where gone.
Imagine if this was the main story: There is a civil war amongst the assassins. Ra's vs Nyssa. Because the war is tearing Gotham apart, the various super villains choose their own sides which also causes civil war amongst the villians. Batman has to call in the bat family to stop both sides from tearing the city to shreds. Ultimately batman realizes that in order to end the war, he has to choose one side to stop the other. The thing is, you are able to choose any side you wish. This affects the outcome of the story and it also affects the way the various characters see you.
It would be so much better then the original game
That would be so good but with one twist. Choose the character you play as. It’s fun being bat man but being able to choose the other characters would be so cool
Why is it that the fans always have better ideas than the developers?
Hey, I'm just agreeing with him. I actually enjoyed this game lol
That's actually the plot of the War of Jokes and Riddles: there's a war between Joker and the Riddle, and the each criminal picks a side. Eventually, Batman understands that the only way to end this war and prevent other victims is to choose a side himself.
'Crazy ass ninjas'
It's so funny to hear Alfred say that
Diya Mehta fight me dumbass
LET'S FIGHT
Yeah who won
Zacks empire Diya won, better profile, higher number of subs
@@mrmister1657 Who Won
29:16 This was literally the *“I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”* moment in this game
Well by deatroying machine he kind of killed him
@@creatos2556 no he didn't, he prevented his rebirth, no one else on earth gets to be reborn, perhaps the argument can be made that Batman should put every effort into curing him in the short term THEN destroy the machine. Batman's oath is never to end a life, not to make sure that life restarts after its already over. The mystical element here throws a big grey area into Batmans rules and im glad they played with that here.
@@creatos2556 it's a fact but batman fans like you finds hard to accept that.
@@JoshMarshain After i thought this thru. No, he killed him. If he would destroy only a Cure (not machine) ras would still be Alive. It was machine that kept him living and Batman destroyed it.
i mean you can pick
When Ra's asked to do it for Talia, I immediately thought that he said that so none of his guards would understand. In Arkham City, Talia wanted you to kill her father. Besides Ra's repeatedly said that the pit is no longer efficient, that it damages his mind more and more, he just wants to die. Moreover, he wants Batman to end his life. In my opinion, Batman would have destroyed the Lazarus Pit, because it is Ra's wish. Besides, the ending where you let him die feels better than the one where you save him. Nobody dies,exept Ra's, and he says : "Proud of you" meaning you made what he wanted. Nyssa takes control and you are sure that no more innocents will die. When you save Ra's, the league leaves for a while, but it will return, killing more innocents in the process. Letting Ra's die is the more human thing to do : Ra's lived for centuries, saw thousands of things, cheated death. Now he wants his life to end, finally. Taking another dose of Lazarus' substance would only make him more violent and aggressive, like Ra's is no longer in control of his mind, the Lazarus' substance is. For a man like Ra's, letting him live is more of a torture than common sense. He lived long enough, and now grows tired of this life. Its league has a blind trust towards him, they do not understand his pain. Ra's is too weak to even kill himself. Nyssa understands that, calling him a zombie who lost his mind. Destroying the Lazarus Pit is not a murder, it is answering the final wish of a dead man. No one can blame Batman for that, even Alfred makes the point that considering Ra's' special lifetime, it would be absurd to even call it a murder. Because he died so many times before. Ra's is too tired, I mean his intestines are litteraly hanging out, he lived for centuries, like the Highlander, he just wants to die. There is no longer a moral question about his death, it is just something natural that needs to happen. "Do it for Talia, end my suffering Batman, destroy everything for me and her" I think this is what he would have told Batman if they were alone.
I'm first to reply and yeah you're absolutely right, i hven't see it from this but yeah, everyone saying that he should live isn't really the good choice, they don't understand
Yes... I see it now. The man is in agony and wants to die. Batman honored the wish.
He did say in Arkham City that his mind and body couldn't take much more. After 600 years of using the Pit the damage to his mind had become permanent. At first when someone uses a Lazarus Pit the insanity's only temporary. But Ra's had been using it for so long he'd probably gone totally insane. I'm guessing that after he stabbed himself with his own sword and was impaled on the Arkham City sign his body was too ravaged to be healed by the Pit so they had to hook him up to that machine.
@@Xehanort10 the source at the hospital is impure. Its basically life support
This is exactly what i thought to
"De...tec...tive? Proud...of...you."
Your approval fills me with shame.
same
@@alessiodelcastillo1613it rhymes!
29:16 ... Kevin Conroy delivered that line in a way that was not only brilliant but also unexpected. It sounded like he was about to give Ra's some sort of lecture about evil but stopped in his tracks when he realized he was not truly evil and actually had... well, he said it: Conviction. Despite his atrocious actions, Bruce Wayne/Batman showed respect to the one adversary who deserved it.
EDIT: Wow that's a lot of likes. Thanks!
Bruce saw the good man Ra's originally was. That his crusade was originally much like his own. But the pit had warped him into a monster unable to stop his own bloodlust
r.i.p
"Help me...for Talia."
Boi, you and your followers didn't dump her body into a Lazarus Pit. Bats owes you nothing!
Except in the ending where you destroy the machine, you are doing what Ra’s and Talia want.
Interestingly, Talia's body is missing from the morgue...
He even tried to kill her!
In other words: F🤬CK YOU, RA'S!
@@bl4ckw1ngz64 talia died by joker in Arkham city last part. After that, her body went missing.
@@Knightt127 but we're talking about the League of Assassins. They have resources all over the world, they could have tried to find it, could'nt they?
PS: sorry for possible english faults.
"Crazy-ass ninjas"-Alfred
😂😂😂
+The Fiddler Oh crap, someone needs to do an Ebonics Alfred video. The TH-camr would get a viral following.
it was kinda fucked up not funny, especially for a video game.
what the fuck is ur pfp
And whoa, first time i've seen this much blood in an Arkham game
Arkham city had blood too
Sebastien Olibrice Not this much tho, mostly on bandages when Hush cut his victim's face
+supervanilla101 And when batman coughed out blood. But true, this game is rated M so they took that to their advantage
+Sebastien Olibrice Not as much though.
Nicky Grajek if they added more the game would've been changed to rated M. It being rated T was already a stretch
0:26 my favorite Alfred line ever.
Thanks Alfred
Thanks Alfred
Thanks Alfred
Thanks Alfred
Thanks Alfred
“What would you do, Alfred?”
It’s obvious what Alfred would do.
Alfred would have blasted those crazy-ass ninjas with a shotgun.Thats what he would do!!
😂
Former SAS/MI6. Hell yeah it's obvious. Unlike batman, Alfred has just the right remedy for crazy ass ninjas.
"We burned the forest down."
@@BatmanHQYTalfred was talking about his time in the war and how his regiment captured the bandits
Is it just me or is the dialogue, story, character motivations of everything in these little stories significantly better than the main campaign?
Just you.
Sorry man, i like the main campaign
Main campaign
side storys are better, the main campaign was a hot mess
The main campaign was good but I thought it was slow at first
If you kill Ra’s, Batman actually has a reason to initiate the Knightfall Protocol, in Batman Beyond, the reason why Bruce retired was because he pointed a gun at a criminal, making this a definite reason why Bruce would retire here, so if you beat the story and the rest of the side missions, this could be a fitting end to the Arkham series for you
THAT IS ACTUALLY A NICE OBSERVATION!!
@@highspeedtarantadotrue but since the suicide squad game showed Bruce is still batman now
1. It's not killing him, it's just letting him die.
2. That's not what the Knightfall Protocol is. The Knightfall Protocol is Batman's contingency plan for if his identity gets out. He goes inside the mansion and it explodes, making the world think Bruce Wayne is dead, which from a certain point of view he is, as he can no longer do all the parties and be out in public as Bruce Wayne, but he can still be Batman, and that way no one will know who the "new" Batman is. That's exactly what he did at the end of this game
@@TD-ht8dz Letting him die is still against batmans code, that’s why Ras says he’s proud
@@A.H.goose1 yes and no, letting a criminal die is against Batman's code. However Ra's wasn't exactly alive at this point, he was just a husk that the League was trying to bring back, I mean Nyssa said herself that he wasn't really alive, that that thing was just like a zombie on life support basically and her father gone, that his mind had been twisted beyond repair. Batman's decision wasn't between saving him and letting him die, it was between bringing him back to life or letting nature take its course and not bring him back to life
The detail on Ra's showcase is amazing! I totally recommend everyone seeing it up close. If you zoom in on his midsection he still has a gaping hole there, back to front, from his skewering in Arkham City. He's got some pulsating organs and stringy flesh in there, like his body is regrowing itself. Plus his eyes and expression! Ra's al Ghul has never been one of my favorite villains, I'm just not a fan of anything to do with the al Ghuls, but I was super impressed with this DLC and Ra's al Ghul's design! Grade A!
Rest in peace Kevin Conroy you will always be the definitive voice of Batman 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼.
10:10 Truly he is The World´s Greatest Detective.
Lol
lmao i laughed at this part when i was playing XD i was like "no shit"
+Jackson Hood 2.0 Well you know she 'could' have been alive but then again she's dead
colin poon She could, if he hadn´t scanned the area with his "Detective Mode" before.
hahahahaha
“What do you want nyssa” batman sounded fed up with it all😂
12 years of craziness will do that to you
This handled the whole “I won’t kill you but I don’t have to save you” thing much better than Batman Begins did.
"Have you finally learned to do what is necessary?"
"I won't kill you. But I don't have to save you."
He said almost the same thing in Batman Origins from 2005
neither choice conflicts with batman's character if you really think about it destroying the machine doesnt mean killing Ra's he was already dying its a better choice than to revive a madman and letting innocents die
Well....letting madmen live to kill innocents is kinda what Batman always does....
***** true and technically if we save him or not batman vommots manslaughter (involuntarily)
That's why I like redhood better.
I agree with what youre sayjng
I think the idea behind the other option was that Ras was testing the dark knight and if you revived him you would essentially pass his trickery never to kill
I say that letting Ra's die is the best option. Technically Batman did it before. Remember that episode of Batman Beyond where Ra's took over Talia's body and it ended with her being caught in a burning building? Terry offered to go back in to save Talia, but Bruce basically said, "Whatever's in there has already been dead for years." I think of it that way in this scenario.
Doesn't it seem like Batman's more concerned about supervillain's lives than innocent people's lives?
If only that were realistic.
Lightner445555555555 Obama in a nutshell
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That would be a good idea if Strange was simply throwing the most violent and dangerous criminals into Arkham and not also criminals who weren't extremely violent along with innocent people like Bruce and Jack Ryder.
Lightner445555555555 It isn't Batman's fault they keep getting out, It's Gotham's judicial system
How come gamers who don't talk are better at games. Than the ones who do talk?
NY Jets Because people who do commentary playthroughs is their first time playing the game. The point of that is to record their reaction to viewers. I'm not sure about the silent players though, but there are some who aren't so good too. The professional ones probably played the game before it came out or works for the company. Idk.
NY Jets mostly its the division of attention. When you are providing commentary your attention gets divided between talking and playing the game. But when it's no commentary your full attention goes into the game and you do better at it. That being said some gamers are better than others commentary or not.
Hi Lol What about Chris Smoove?
russwest 44 except for him
Hi Lol Yeah
"De... tec... tive? Proud...of...you."
That was beautiful from Ra's, because he respected Batman in the end, knowing that he could never break his moral code or his beliefs and respected him for the man he is. And Batman in a show of respect, did not slam the cell door like the rest of the criminals, he merely closed it.
A lot of you really misunderstood that line. By refusing to save a life, batman DID break his code. That’s why Ras is proud. That line is probably one of the worst things Bruce has ever had to hear. People get confused and think letting Ras die has no downside, but that line represents the downside. For Bruce that line is brutal
@@A.H.goose1 open to full interpretation no one is right or wrong in this situation.
@@chrissmart21what would you have said if joker was brought back for this dlc? I can see him getting teary eyed for speeding up a man's dying process.
@@videon6134 Ra’s was already dying. Batman just let nature take its course
@@A.H.goose1Ra's was kind of tired of the Lazarus Pit and this cycle was painful for him, hence why we see him weak in Arkham Knight. The way I see it, by destroying that machine Batman was releasing Ra's from this cycle. But I also get your point.
I dunno about you guys but i decided to destroy the machine.
Yeah.He even said it himself to his followers to let him die.Strange thing is that everything seems fine and Gotham is safe even if he spares Ra's,since Alfred says that he's averted war(if you choose to administer cure).
I would do that option also we don't want the Lazarus rebuilt you know how dangerous Ra's is? He is the most dangerous super villain in the world they don't call him the Demon for nothing. He knows Batman's identity he tried to shanghi Batman to him in the service back during his origin in exchange for the hand of Talia that plan backfired 15 times each time Batman destroyed the Lazarus. Ra's always comes up with a contingency plan this is his last attempt.
It still makes him betray his code. Why?
While choosing to save Raj batman said - "I'm no killer".
Also Alfred says if you save Raj - Good job sir. You prevented a civil war while not breaking your code.
Nyssa also while dying says - Stupid stuborn fool. That's why she loved you.
If you destroy the Lazarus pit Raj says - Detective... proud of you...
meaning that you did what he wanted, to leave a man to die, if you do that, you can go even further.
Batman - I wanted to kill him yes, many times, but if i let myself go on that path, i wont be coming back.
By choosing to destroy the Lazarus pit, you betrayed your nature. The Joker needed a cure to prevent dying, he, just like Raj, wanted to live, Batman was ready to give him the cure to save the Joker although it was the wrong choice. It's not that different than this cituation.
The moral question was this - are you ready to brake your code to do something for the greater good? Are you ready to let someone die? Yes, definitely the good choice is to let Raj die, but the right choice was also to kill the Joker, Killer Croc and the other maniacs to prevent their escape and start murdering again.
The code of Batman is the only thing that is pure but also makes him flawed. All things here point that Batman betrayed his code, you may dissagree but batman thinks it like that.
Hurlock alpha It's not breaking his code
Yeah, Redhood's stealth kills are neck breaking. xD
Hearing Alfred say "crazy-ass ninjas" makes me laugh.
One of the most compelling, dramatic and intriguing plot lines in the game, especially with the dilemma in the end! Great stuff.
Not really a dilemma in any way. Batman would not betray his promise to Nyssa just to let an unstable freak escape
These side-missions are a perfect example of how the entire game should've used the Batmobile. It feels like the previous games, the Batmobile isn't overused, and it isn't annoying.
32:03 - the moment Ras told Bruce about this sentence, it actually dawned to me. They have different ways of fighting injustice, but Ras never forgot the fact that he kept Batman under his wing during his training arc. They are different in many ways, but a former mentor turned villain saying that he is proud of what Batman has done, this is another bond between the two.
Ngl bro, Ras only trained batman in the nolan films. In these games he didn’t, initiation in origins shows that. He was trained by Kirigi and lady shiva. That “proud of you” line isn’t a good thing. Both endings have a negative part to them, and that line is the negative for this ending. He’s not proud of what Bruce has become, he’s proud of him for essentially breaking his main rule and killing in a way. He probably says it more to torment batman, but even if it’s genuine, Ras being proud of batman is telling the player that you broke batmans rule and what he stands for by refusing to save a life. That line is brutal, probably one of the worst things batman has ever had to hear
In the Shadow War DLC, Batman's choice this time is between giving a prick, who happens to be Damian Wayne's grandpa, new lease on life and letting him kill innocents more and letting nature take its course and letting him go to a better place after you send him to the GCPD.
0:26
Alfred PennyWorth just made my day completely
People say that the "proud of you" line was basically an insult to Batman but the way I see it Ra's is just amazed that Batman was able to end Ra's without even technically killing him
Plus Ra's even said he was afraid of what came out of the pit Ra's dying meant he didn't have to be afraid anymore
Don’t you think it would be weird if one ending had no downside? The proud of you isn’t an insult from Ras, but it is an insult to Bruce. Batman refused to save a life. He broke his code. That’s the downside of the ending and that line represents that
"You weren't a good man, Ra's...but you had...conviction."
"Detective...proud of you."
The mutual respect between foes is a weird, but fascinating thing.
People have really misunderstood that “proud of you”. That’s one of the worst things batman could ever hear from Ras
@@A.H.goose1 it's really up to personal interpretation, The Arkhamverse is really all over the place when it comes to continuity so it really doesn't matter how someone individual interrupts a vague sentence
Proud of you line is double edged.
I never heard of Nyssa until now, Batman Arkham games still teaching me about Batman lore, that may be what I love most about these games, I remember before I played these games even though I don't read comic books I thought I knew everything about Batman from the animated series and movies, but then I played Arkham Asylum and realized how ignorant I really was and actually explored the lore
same.
True, but the Arkham games took a few liberties, so I wouldn't take everything at face value
I did the very same. The scannable Easter eggs about each character in asylum were amazing and so interesting with helping to learn about the franchise
I met Nyssa on Arrow
@@Juan_x_Pedro you should.read the comics
Now that's a proper DLC, I hope this comes to PC.
+andarax8 17:00 GMT.
Was that ratcatchers gloves on the desk, just after batman restored power, with the batmobile??
Stooge
maybe, also the mushrooms around the lazarus pit are the exact same as the ones that Scarecrow uses for his fear poison in Arkham Asylum.
Nightwing should've had a 30 minute dlc also
+andarax8 yeah saw that too. That's also a possibility
So basically let's get this straight. SPOILERS
Option 1 you revive a ideological homicidal maniac who wanted to create world peace in Arkham City by setting up global concentration camps to get rid of undesirables. His first action is to kill his daughter, proving he's just as insane as ever, and leaving her blood on Batman's hands.
Option 2 you remove the support from said maniac, allowing him to die peacefully. His daughter, proclaimed as the most rational Al Ghul family member, then takes over the League of Assassins and swears to not end innocent lives.
Why on earth would you not pick 2?
+Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter I chose option 2. Losing Talia was painful enough.
Because, 1: it's a game, 2: Ra's is one cool villain (IMO).
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter option 1: Don't go against your morals
Option 2: save lives but risk your morality
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter he actually didn't die, if you choose to destroy the machine he says hes proud of you in his cell
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter My thoughts exactly.
Reviving Ra's feels like the choice Batman would canonically make. That being said, seeing how much death Ra's has caused even while half dead is just proof that Ra's should just be allowed to pass on. I feel like destroying the machine was the more sensible and pragmatic option.
+CheesyGranola I destroyed the machine because it made logical sense, and I also "roleplayed it" in the aspect that Bruce actually listens to Alfred's advice after the monumental fuck-ups he did during the main game.
+CheesyGranola Then again, Batman already "killed" Solomon Grundy without batting an eye, even though he and Ra's share the same source of immortality. The only thing holding him back right now is the hope that Ra's could be more human again.
+Kamikaze Failure Abalasismabababadan True ... but if someone WERE to point that out to Bruce... I don't think he'd have any problem letting anyone someone die that lived a prolonged life due to the Lazarus Pit.
***** Can't exactly save the Joker if the latter stabbed you in the fucking arm that made you drop the vaccine.
***** Oh, tell me what Batman should have done? It wasn't like he could just create another vaccine out of his or magically repair the destroyed vial.
The man has died
He has came back to life multiple times
A machine keeps him "alive" even though he is a human vegetable
Destroying the machine will save millions
Come on batman it isn't that hard
“I took one life to save millions.” - Superman.
Kind of applies here. Lol.
@@NinjaBoyTellEm92 Um....no? What Batman did here was let nature finally take its course by letting Ra's expire as he should have long ago without the pit's waters. Injustice Superman's case was straight up murder and it was out of revenge than any actual justice.
@@rojaedavis8367 if Batman wanted nature to take its course, Batman wouldn't intervene at all. The winner of the fight between rebels and league would've decided whether Ra's lived or not.
@@dipanjanghosal1662 True. But thing is, Batman is a hero. As as MHA says, a hero is someone who sticks their noses in people's business. Besides, since the league and even the rebels have little problem with collateral damage, it's probably best he intervened before a bad situation turned much much worse.
@@rojaedavis8367 yeah I know. I just said if he really wanted nature to take its course, he wouldn't intervene. But being a hero, he will intervene, and then whatever happens to Ra'as is his responsibility.
Man this should have been in the main game.
+Al Adeeb the main game should of been about the league coming to gotham imo
+luke 0.0 So Dark Knight Rises then?
+Nicholas Persaud No. Way better than that horrible adaptation.
Al Adeeb it is in the main game and also you guys act like this is the first time seeing ras al ghoul smh
+Kpengie get the fuck out of here Dark knight rises was the best batman movie ever you fucking hater
Whatever the decision is, Batman will always be a man of honor and never kill.
Kara Actually Ra's was still alive and needed the machine to extend his life a bit more. So Batman didnt kill him. Ra's was deteriorating and reaching death on his own. Wasnt Batman's doing.
+Kara Actually Ra's other daughter did that.
Matter a fact, Batman even prevented Nyssa from giving Ra's the final blow in the latter option.
@thewb39 Batman killed clay face in arkham city
+JADENMACHINE 2002 Well Clay face wasn't human. And tried killing him.
"Ra's kills for his cause...I never will..." proceeds to run over (and I don't care what the game says about that not killing them) multiple criminals.
The hull of the batmobile produces electricity, so if it hits anyone, the electric shock knocks them back before any fatal damage can occur.
+Joe Phasey I know that, but the shock looks severe enough to at least cause serious damage, if not death
Joe Phasey once they are shook you can shoot them with the 60 mil cannon lol
n00b67
Yeah, I guess. But he's batman so he must have created a special electric shock. The bat-shock.
Moudiz
Yeah lol, I must have killed like, 20 guys like that.
Hearing Alfred an old man saying
"Crazy ass ninjas"
Is so badass.
I have to say, seeing the options, I would have destroyed the machine. But i feel it would have been a more touching story if Batman had taken Ra's back to the cave with him and cared for him until the day he passed, as a way to honor the memory of Talia. Ra's was no longer a threat, he deserved to die peacefully and with someone who truly understood him. Had Damian been part of the game, the sight of his father caring for his dying grandfather would probably have reconciled the two natures he caries within him.
Arkham Batman doesn't deserve Damian. And plus, Rocksteady didn't want to follow the exact same origins from comics and adding Damian in the game. Sure Bruce and Talia had a night, but it doesn't mean she later got pregnant. Think a little more.
This batman is pretty much one of the coldest interpretations
Ninja - "We guard this site in the name of our new leader!"
Batman - "You're relieved."
Proceeds to effortlessly beat down a group of trained ninjas.
i think i like nyssa man she really knows exactly what the right thing is
She's more hot than Talia too!
IMO
+supervanilla101 They both got DAT ASS
supervanilla101 nah talia is still more hotter for me bro so yeah i wasn't quite surprise that nyssa is also hot too since she and talia are sisters of course lol
+supervanilla101 Nah Talia had better tits and ass.And i prefer girls with longer hairs.
+Terry Mcelwaney err.... wtf? lol
The reason this decision was so difficult for me was because what happened at the end of Arkham City.
"You want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I would have saved you."
Batman was willing to save a homicidal maniac like the Joker, but when given this ultimatum, he's faced with nearly the same choice, and it's up to the player to decide. It was very hard for me, because I felt like in both outcomes, Batman loses. Either he lets a near-immortal homicidal warlord continue his killing spree for generations to come, or he is left questioning his morals, if he broke his one main rule, perhaps even thinking if he'll do it again.
Now you could argue that Joker killed himself by stabbing Batman, causing him to drop the cure, but Batman could've outright said out loud "Here, take the cure." No, he thought about simply just letting Joker die, lamenting their 'running gag' between him and Joker, and how many lives he's dooming by letting him live on. Perhaps he really was going to let the clown die, and simply said that to Joker as his way of getting the last laugh.
I chose to let Ra's die.
Yeah yeah 'ends justify the means' blah blah
I felt like Batman made that mistake once, he's not doing it again.
Like what Batman says to Ra's in Batman Begins:
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
But in a way, the real winner was Ra's al Ghul.
"Detective....proud...of..you"
He got the last laugh.
Plus Batman in this game is changing to become something more. As we see when he uses fear toxin to defend Gotham. So him letting Ra’s pass is him finally letting these go and end is kind of a major theme for this game about letting things end and start anew.
No Batman wouldn't lie about saving Joker while he's dying to "get his last laugh". Its completely out of character for him. If he said that he still would've saved him, he really would've. He just didn't want to give it to the Joker immediately.
I love your walkthrough! no cringe worthy moments, no bullshit narration. GOD im subscribing to this
+LEROY JENKINS Unlike that Scholfm guy or whatever
And NO DAMAGE TAKEN
+MyNameIsLeroyJenkins because hes batman!
The appeal of this game for me was locking up villains. I don’t know why, but capturing villains and throwing them away in cells was very appealing to me and I wish there were more or a new Batman game because Batman has the greatest villains and locking them up as the caped crusader is so much fun
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
Hearing alfred saying "crazy ass ninjas" is the best thing I ever heard in my life
While a debate can be put to the test on whether Batman killed Ra's al Ghul by destroying the machines, he didn't have to save him to begin with. If it were me, I would have destroyed the machines; it's not like he had long to live anyway.
Plus in the previous game Bruce said he was going to break Ra’s addiction to pit for him.
Ultimately destroying the machine was the right choice as it in the long run ended the threat of the League of Assassin's being in Gotham and ultimately killing innocent people.
Ra’s is a demon demons deserve no sympathy amen
This mission is fun but I still don't get why Rocksteady decided to give Ra's such a small role in the game. Ra's is one of Batman's biggest villains and he just had one side mission. He could have been this games main villain, it would have been a better twist than Arkham Knight=Jason Todd
jetjk Yeah I know that but I want to see more of him
Ra's Al Ghul is one of my favorite villains in the Batmanverse but he technically was already the main villain in Arkham City. As for dealing with the Joker in Arkham City, that was more of a loose end imo...
True. I mean, he did bring Jason back to life and train him in the original series.
Ra's is what made Arkham City a more memorable experience than the other games
They already did that with arkham city
Why does Talia have a foreign accent but Nyssa doesn't?
+ANarcher could have been the environment. Nyssa wasn't raised among Talia, Dusan and Ra's, instead she was the outsider who came in.
+ANarcher Nyssa's last name is Ratko, not Al Ghul
No, but she is Ra's oldest daughter. In the comics she rebels against Ra's for abandoning her family in WWII
+Anarchitron What does that have to do with anything?
Idk tbh I think the Russian accent would probably be annoying.
“Crazy-Ass Ninjas.”
-Alfred Pennyworth, 2015
Crazy Ass ninjas.
I would rather go up against a crazy ass ninja instead of Batman though
The guy never even moved for the ninja, that is just common curtsey.
JTmaxx Tbh I'd rather go against Batman, He'd break all my bones but he wouldn't kill me
Don Albornoz it's a matter of preference. I would rather die than pass through the very fucking painful process of braking all of my bones, which would also lead to psychological trauma with a big possibility that I would't be able to recover fully
the crazy ass ninja will probably kill you while Batman would just break your bones
Yep, I'm destroying the machine.
great choice
+Dave Douchebag Antics I destroyed the machine, then replayed it in a different save file and chose to save Ra's. I prefer the first ending, haha
I made that decision too, no regrets after what I have seen
+Dave Douchebag Antics i made the wrong f****** choice... f***!
+Dave Douchebag Antics Ra's and I are proud of you
Nyssa destroyed the pit in both Arrow and now here.
Thanks for that...
I would crush that any day😍
That's what you get for not watching the video first
Came here to watch Batman: Arkham Knight walkthrough. Spoilers for Arrow in the comments.
SPOILERS:
In Arrow, Nyssa destroys the pit because they resurrected Sara, and she didn't want that. She loved her too much. In Arkham Knight, she destroys it for her father.
For those of you saying "Ra's saying 'proud of you' fills me with shame" well, tbf,in arkham city he wanted batman to destroy him and the pit because it was making him less human, and batman kept his promise of coming back for him
9:16 that's the waitress in the prologue of the game when you play as the cop.
9:24 that's the guys that tells the cop (you) about the guy smoking.
The guy who's smoking is demon Jason Todd search for it
THAT DUDE AT 9:23 WAS THE TATTLE TALE AT PAULI'S DINER
Sergio Balaguera
I thought you said Telltale. That woulda been a real easter egg.
The lady is also at the start when she serves you coffee
32:41 Fun fact: The gear on the display will change depending on your choice. Its either the bandana and kunai (like here) If you kill Ra´s, and a Mask and two knives if you save Ra´s (The gear is from the losing party)
Love how Batman just talks to the assassin's normally. Like, we're all ninjas here, no need to be overly dramatic.
If we only had this choice with Joker
Yeah, I was so sad, and mad at the end of Arkham City, I was like... Nooo, they can't possibly kill of the Joker, right?, but they bloody did, and ever since then I never play Arkham City to the end, because watching Joker die makes me too sad. :/
You technically do with catwomen ending choice, choosing to escape with the money and leaving batman to die, has the credits have distress call from Barbara how jokers plan for immortality worked and is basically unstoppable now, the rest of batman family are dead along with her dad
shadowsteed15 to quote the clown himself "you get what you fucking deserve!"
@@spinozilla2421 there's actually a secret message that plays when the game rewinds for the player to make the right choice. It's Joker saying "Thanks for the entertainment, Bats." Creepy, huh?
Lightman 2120 oh god
(Batman standing over the corpse of his dead lover's sister while a zombie maniac roams free on the streets)
Batman:....yep this was the right decision, I did a good thing today...
GCPD Officer : "I'm backing off. Batman's got this"
*Batman proceeds to go the other way*
And I quote “crazy ass ninjas”
Am I tripping? Or does Ra's look a little like Abraham Lincoln?...
Now imagine for a second that Ra's WAS Abraham Lincoln. ^^
Григорий Грачёв After seeing what America has become i wouldn't doubt for a second that Ab would do something like that
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н, hmm, doesn't seem TOO crazy a plotline. Ra's played the honest politician for a while, then he got shot in the head by Booth and said, "you know what, screw these people. It's genocide time."
Nah, you trippin
Sounds legit
This DLC gave me the feels. Especially seeing Talia's nametag in the morgue.
Y U do this Rocksteady
He's "proud of you" in the second ending because Batman finally did what Ra's al Ghul always wanted him to do: To Kill.
How exactly? Because pulling a dying man off of his life support, any such man that is fighting to survive their condition, without his or any proper consent is still considered killing.
its clearly the best he can get
the man literally wanted to die. his sanity was getting more and more fucked up every resurrection. He even says to "do it for talia" as in finish him like she wanted so desperately to happen.
@@Goblin_iRL So the word Help me... For Talia... means he wants to die?!
@@johnsantos507 of course, because Talia was concerned for his father's mental sanity and she wanted him to die instead of turning into a monster
@@gianmarcoponente4609 But, without Ra's al Ghul, who will lead the League of Assassins? Oh wait, Talia would be in charge and do something stupid like destroy Gotham!
Alfred said “ass” it’s time to get rid of the part of the ‘alfred swears’ part on my bucket list
"Crazy-ass ninjas." Quote of the Century right there. Thank you, Alfred.
"Detective...proud...of you" incase your wondering he's proud because Batman made a hard choice a choice where he couldn't save everyone even though it will lead to someone dying.
Ra’s survives either way, even if you destroy the machine, he still lives after that, it shows that he’s still alive in GCPD, it just says “injured” not “deceased”
OMG.... i just realized how this dlc is basicaly a refference to the joker himself and to the plot of arkham city.Get the cure for joker or do not give him the cure was not an available option but i am glad that in this game had this one (sorry for my bad english)
I was genuinely surprised that they brought back Ra’s. Like I knew they wouldn’t end this series without all the loose ends being tied but still
Fun fact: the voice actress of Nyssa is Jennifer Hale (who also voiced Thorn in Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost).
Also Spider Woman in 90s Iron Man and Cinderella in 21st century disney media.
@@cunningsmile4166 cool!
2:43 And the award for best dialogue in any video game ever goes to...
I think what little of Ra's mind was left was begging Batman to end his suffering. That's why he invoked Talia's name.
The fact that Alfred said “Crazy Ass Ninja’s” had me dying 😂
" crazy ass ninjas " I'm done 😹
And yet no mention of bane, dead shot or pomethous (who was meant to be in the dlc)
77Teslit77 7 Bane and Deadshot were both released after Arkham city
Bane was killed by the Arkham Knight.
it sucks cause back in Arkham Asylum there was Prometheus database i was overhyped as fck for him. When did Jason killed Bane lmfao, Red Hood won't ever beat him just he wasnt in Gotham
In comics, which happen between AC and AK.
Kacper Nowak how do I get this missions like ra's and the mad hater Mr frezze and killer croc's
This game still in my eyes looks better than even that Spider-man game that came out in 2018, WOW
I'm late but I really love the graphics and style of Batman Arkham Knight more as well. However, my only problem is all the shimmering and rugged edges everywhere. I wish the game had hdr, better anti-aliasing, and 4k support to make the game look even better. I don't know how the pc version looks like but I'm just comparing the PS4 versions to make it equal since Spiderman is only on PS4, not pc. That's the one thing Spiderman did better, graphics-wise. But overall, I do prefer Batman Arkham Knight's look better.
Yeah, they did well on that department. Rocksteady's finale for this series is well spent.
12:57 the subtle Arkham city theme when ra’s speaks is a nice touch
I thought Talia would be resurrected
+Haytham Kenway Did ya see her name on the wall of the morgue?
+Makari Smith I have hoped.
+Makari Smith I had hope Arkham Knight was actually Heretic instead, trying to take out Dad for getting Mommy killed. Then use the Wayne company to help fund/arm his crew.
Yeah right. Then she would be even crazier than before. Go away. >.> She should have never appeared in Arkhamverse in the first place. She is almost as terrible as her father.
“I don’t know, sir. But I’ll stand by you, whatever you choose.” I fucking love alfred. A real one.
To hear the Arkham City theme in this scene gives me chills
Oh, and by the way? IMPRESSIVE Playthrough! Taking the time to hear the dialogue, the cutscenes, zooming in on details.
...And the perfect combat. Promps!
The second option was the right move. Ra's was already dead and dying without the machine. Not even a mercy killing, Ra's over use of the Lazarus Pit worsened his condition, taking a person off life support who will eventually die is not murder. And with the ending of option #1 if Batman had saved Ra's more blood would have been shed. Being like Batman would be cool, just don't inherit his one rule.
The pure properties of the Lazarus pit fades after each time Ra's uses it, making it useless and as a result it left him nothing more but a revenant of his former self. Batman's morality tends to blind him of what is right in front of him, but if choosing to save him with what's left of the last pure brew of the Lazarus pit, then Nyssa's blood as well as gotham with be on his hands, not Ra's. Last time I checked, Ra's death would've been natural, the pit is beyond saving him...
This might be a weird thing to say, but I actually felt sad for Ra's here. He used to be so powerful and regal, but now he can barely sit up straight, let alone talk. Destroying the machine and letting him die in peace honestly seems like the best option here.
0:28 first time I ever heard Alfred swear.
Lord Sauron ass isn’t a swear
@@Cytise91 it is a swear word
Lucas Behlke you must be 5 if you think that’s a swear it’s such a weak insult the word ass means donkey