@@Internet-Resident in my opinion as a texan the engineer HAS to be pretty realistic for a crazed engineer he's got all the classics: barbeque, beer, boomsticks - and he fixes things, which i feel like has to be if you condensed all the main cast of King of the Hill (the show) into one guy
Spy was actually designed without a nationality in mind. The voice actor has said he tried both a Spanish and Italian accent for him before settling on the French one.
And in the French localization he's switched to being British and using gratuitous English instead of the gratuitous French of the original, further showing that the design works with other nationalities.
For whatever reason, the Spy always came across more as Belgian than French to me. Not sure why. It'd honeslty fit the 'multilingual semi-chameleon' nature of the character more.
Demoman is one of the best depictions of *scottish* I have ever seen, it’s the stereotypical aspects of demoman that make him demoman, and he is perfect. I am Scottish btw
Every other country “idk kinda offensive not really accurate” Every American: “I trust this man with my life, I know his mom and I see him every day on my way to work”
Giving Heavy a PhD in Russian Literature and a big family to take care of was the best decision they could've made. And the fucking "I've yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet" line is just one of the coolest things in the entirety of TF2
@htlinr1146 да, я просто пыталась перевести для общего понимания. Просто это звучит как либо он говорит что те кого он встретил на столько неразумные что пуля умнее, либо напрямую меняет значение и мне это кажется смешным почему-то))
I never knew scottish culture was so intersting, your guys part was my absolute favorite of the video because of how invested you guys were on your culture and that got me invested lol, thanks for making the video more enjoyable mate hope you have a good day ❤
@DaKingKayden Well. I mean. Also ignore Heavy, Saxton Hale, Ms. Pauling, Medic, Spy (At least explicitly, implicitly my man here is happy to be a father to Scout), and every other interaction with everyone else Scout has had. Scout is the Daffy Duck of the crew, of course he's going to get his own ass handed to him by literally everyone, Soldier is just the most explicitly blunt example of him giving Scout his karmic retribution for his hubris.
@@StoryTeller796 yeah soldier is friendly to everyone (except scunt) but still, this is a lead poisoned, delusional, genocidal xenophobic schizophrenic man so I wouldnt trust him Er... I mean AMERICA WOOOO (I am Canadian)
NO HATE TO MY GOAT EDITOR GABRIEL CAUSE THE EDITING FOR THIS IS FIRE, but he did miss a lil note I left that we should put the Massachusetts flag instead of a literal map pointing at Boston lmao
I’ve never left Texas before and imo engines the best Texan Rancher characterization because everyone in my family is very polite and soft spoken yet still tough and rigid underneath, plus every older male in my family is a handyman in some way so he’s definitely Texas made, 10/10!
hi, i was one of the people that spoke about the medic, it was really nice to talk about the german culture although i was pretty nervous because this was my first time doing something like this, but thank you phish for granting me and everyone else in this video the chance to create something cool
Hi, I'm one of the people who spoke on Sniper! This was so much fun to record and speak on the Australian-ness, especially considering I've practically never touched the game lmao (don't tell Phish). Tons of fun, would Australian again
"W-WHA...... I DON'T SOUND LIKE THAT!" -person who sounds exactly like that (i do think its personal bias but i think voice actors put a lot of emphasis into nationality, sometimes too much which is what they meant)
I kinda can understand them. While Heavy accent is good, as a russian i can immideatelly tell that he is voiced not by russian actor. It's not bad, but it's a thing with native speakers, they just can tell when someone immitate their accent.
@ oh ofc, I can tell as well with the German and Russian ones since I have a passing ability to speak them, but at the same time it really doesn’t matter and I don’t get why some (more so in the OW video) get so cut over it. Australian accents are butchered in almost every game where they’re included but I don’t even think about it half the time and vibe with them regardless.
23:00 As a german I gotta point out here that Schweinehund is still in use, but not with any connotation that is nearly as heavy as that. I admittedly know barely anything about its useage during or around the time of WWII, but nowadays it typically refers to one's "inner pig-dog", meaning one's pig-like affinity for messiness, and the dog-like affinity for blindly following your urges, which you would have to overcome in order to get something done. Whether or not this was tied to minorities at some point I cannot say, but it most likely wasn't picked for that in TF2
Its been in use since the 1800s. its just a mean insult. it was used to insult jews but it would be the same as an American calling someone a fuckup or dumbfuck. it wasnt made exactly for them unlike the term Mischling
I've always thought the whole uber mechanic was an odd choice of name since the first real association I got from it was with ubermensch but like, specifically in the WW2 way, had no clue it was a Nietzsche thing first, so that was reassuring.
true, "overcoming the inner pig-dog" is a pretty common expression for displaying self dicipline and doing a chore or sth. instead of sth. you would enjoy, but i think in this context its more insult "Schweinehund" or "Sauhund". Sauhunde were dogs used for boar hunting and generally attributed with agression, lack of immorality but also bravery, using it as an insult implies opposing the means and actions of the other person, but also kinda crediting them with a weird form of respect.
Yeah, I just thought it's a common swear. People in my country call each other pigs and dogs all the time, I don't see why this one is especially offensive
Oh holy shit I realized when watching this that the Loch-and-Load is modeled after a China Lake grenade launcher and that's why the name has the Gaelic word for lake in it.
Yeah, the loch name in spanish sucks. Localizator could have done a word game with "lake" but instead we got something like "the bombster of ness lake"
It's...complicated. It's a 2 shot launcher, clearly based more off the M79/Thumper, but with an extra barrel added, though i guess that could be an explanation??
One thing I believe is why some of these classes aren't really that accurate to the nationality is because the game is set in the 1960s, and this is what an American in the 1960s would think a person from this nation would be and I love it so much
It was made to make everyone look like propaganda like stereotypes so yeah. Then again I would like a digeridoo melee for sniper (if it's spelled like that) and a 6 shooter for engineer. @@rubiks5659
@@rubiks5659 I know that lol, what I was saying was the developers took stereotypes of different cultures of that era and elevated them to their extreme
As a pyro main who has a history lighting things on fire in real life as well as being chaotic via extreme mood swings and a sometimes childish or aggressive behavior and has an obsession with gas masks and fire i give pyro 10/10
@@Timelord411 Everyone called SAM from Honkai a male, and turns out it is a girl. The fact that everyone calls Pyro a man might be because everyone else is male, so it wouldn't be "The men and Pyro". Also Pyro from TFClassic is canonically a woman, so-
I'm pretty certain the developers meant the characters to be caricature to some extent. Like, c'mon, it's especially obvious with the Soldier who was literally made into everything USA is laughed at for and cranked up to 200%.
Exactly, none of the developers were trying to accurately depict the culture of wherever the class was from. It was meant to take stereotypes of then and crank it up a notch
Yeah that's what I'm confused about because everyone is meant to be an exaggerated stereotype. I think even the developers confirmed this in an interview or the in-game dev commentary.
the thing about caricatures is that, they're caricatures. They're supposed to recognizably remind you of something that they're caricaturing. Every low score were because how little they caricature the nationality the merc is based on.
Oh god I recognize that artist as well. 99% of the time, if you see TF2 fanart, said artists has drawn the mercs... Ahem... ''Pushing their payloads''. ''Capturing their points''. ''Stealing their intels''. And so on.
I'm the guy who spoke for Heavy. Nice to be on the vid, despite not being prepared at all and having my timezone work against me. I'd like to know if any other people have trouble tolerating subpar Russian language done in media like I do (with Sova for example).
FAKE CYRILLIC это ужасно, это отвратительно и это ломает мой мозг. Все остальное намного менее серьезно и в общем то происходит со всеми национальностями, и меня это особо не задевает.
What I hate is media rarely represents Russian history/aesthetics outside of the USSR. There is the occasional references to Cossacks, or late Imperial Russia, but practically never early Imperial/Medieval. I also cant think of any examples of representation for the steppe peoples in Sibiria. (Almost done) I think "funny" Russian characters should actually have a Russian sense of humor. I think Zarya from Overwatch does this the best. Lastly, as much as I like how many Russian characters are tanky classes (my favorite kind to play) I *really* think there should be more inventor/artist/scientist Russian characters (i.e. Viktor from LoL). An INSANE ammount of ideas, art and technology came from Russia thoughout her history, and highlighting that could bring more positive light to how people see Russia(ns).
Well French Catalans are a thing ! I suspect the Spy to be from the Catalan era in south of France. Most people there speak French and have a use Catalan expressions all the time and a lot of people there can usually speak spanish.
I will say, as someone who lives NEAR Boston (I'm slightly more Cape Cod/coastal), I always got more of a New York vibe from scout. I mean sure, he's got the sports and the accent, but he also just kinda looks like the 4th lost member of the Beastie Boys. He has a lot of hip hop influence and a breakdancing taunt, but from my experience Boston never had a hip hop scene like that
If you check the developers commentary nodes in tf2 they mention that they are deliberate stereotypes to represent what Americans in the 60s thought these nationalities are like.
maybe im looking in too deep into this but maybe spy being well a spy it what also makes it that he doesn't seem that french. cuz it would mae it harder to narrow down who is the guy spying like he's french but does not sound french
@@Appletank8 I heard that the VA tried multiple accents before settling on French. And in the French dub he's actually British. So he's not really meant to be obviously French, and can clearly work with other nationalities.
I've actually heard this theory multiple times, like he behaves just way too stereotypically French to hide his true nationality. Suits me really well. (Although would be a pity that we never really got to kick some French ass)
As Texan, Engineer is insanely accurate. Got the Boots, Button up, even the white crewneck underneath. I think I own thise pair of boots. Only thing I can think that they got inaccurate is that Banjo taunt which they mentioned. "Dag nabbit" is a phrase I'd hear pretty often too, although I personally haven't seen many Texas characters in media say it besides Engi.
Special K leading the way for us Scots, what a lad. Loved chatting to you about oor hame. Thank you for respecting our culture by playing the bagpipes in the background and including our national icon Shrek.
fantastic video, think the best bit was the aussies talking about there 'goon bag' (haha funny word alert) and it throwing me off. After the explanation of what it is, I had the cursed thought of 'Wonder when the Aussies and Canucks meet each other, combine there bagged bev's together to make the double-cursed liquor of 'Irish Cream in a bag'
Never heard of that context for "Schweinehund". Figured it was just if Schwein or Hund alone wasn't harsh enough, you'd call them both. In German, you can pretty much string nouns together for as long as need to describe something. Kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtversicherung for example (basically means car insurance)
for the texans in this vid, here you go: "[TF2] Engineer’s low and sexy voicelines (from cute to seductive)" by salxm4nd3r "Engineer Tf2 voice lines (from cute, to low and hot)" by Scorpill "Engineer Voice Lines" by basics Explained, H3Vtux and over 1000 results on rule34 for the australians in the vid: i feel your pain with the recorder, we got them in Ireland too. my sensory issues did NOT help.
Ya know, of all the people to make a video about racial stereotypes, I trust Phish to do it. That's because he's usually so goofy and not one to start drama (that I've seen) that I believe it's a genuine question of curiosity, rather than trying to prove a point one way or another.
As someone from the Midwest, the Soldier is 110% accurate, I'm related to someone that looks like him and I'm friends with someone that has been firing shotguns since he was 12.
Very happy that Buckfast was one of the first things mentioned. Also agree that the accent is basically a Yank doing a Scottish accent. If anyone wants a great example of a video-game character with proper Scottish VAing, give Morag a look from Xenoblade Chronicles 2
@@mariustan9275 Yerp, very varied cast of VAs. I espeically like that the different countries mainly stick to a regional accent (Scottish/Mor Ardain, Welsh/Gormott, Uraya/Asutralian, etc.)
Other nationalities: "I would say the representation is accurate but I've never met someone like that before." Australians: "You never pissed in a jar before?"
11:12 I think Xenoblade 2 has been the only exception to this that I know of. Xenoblade 1 was localized by Nintendo of Europe, and it meant that the whole game's cast was British English. In the sequel they did something neat where the different races of characters have different UK accents depending on where they're from.
I know this video is all about video game nationalities and how gamers rate and enjoy the character’s nationalities, which was some great fun. But the fact that Soldier, the embodiment of American Yankees has such a short section about his nationality accuracy and everyone agrees “Yep, he’s an icon of American representation” while also viewing him as your average American is peak comedy.
My take on Heavy: i love his origin, ran away with his family when revolution and civil war started, so he has more of a late russian empire take when talking about his guns. Melee... yeah, kgb, gru references, model is good though, it is actually Soviet boxing gloves, i think I've seen exact same pair of gloves somewhere in my grandparents house. Personality is a stereotype. He is tough on the outside but loving in inside is a thing that is starting to become next basic russian character idea people use to "not offend" natives. But for tf2 time it was really good. My rating would be 7-8/10. The looks are there, the weapons can be justified, personality is fine, story is what is carrying the character for me.
Soldier: Psychopath Scout: Psychopath Heavy: Psychopath Confirmed, they are all psychopaths, and as humans, we are psychopaths, so the stereotypes are on point.
23:12 i like how even the Germans dont know its just a really mean insult. its how the marines got the term devil dog the Germans called us schweinehund and then got lost in translation. yes they called Jews Schweinhund but it wasnt made exactly for them, it goes back to the 1800s
Nowadays its also very much still in use. The phrase "Den eigenen Schweinehund überwinden" to get over your own pigdog as an example. This phrase basically means to get on you ass and do your work/chores and stop whining and beeing lazy.
Lmao, I'm glad they brought up Massholes. Lived near the cape for a while and encountered a few guys who fit the Scout perfectly Also, shoutout to Cumbie's
Australian here, Sniper is a 3.5 Sure, he says stuff like "bloody" and "piss" a lot, but he also says a bunch of other stuff that doesn't really represent Australian culture very well. Absolutely no one says "crikey" or "Truckie" here; we tend to say other stuff like "Tradie" and "Gronk". We are simular to British people in the sense that we call people "dogs". Not many references to Australian landmarks, either. There's no mentions of Uluru/Airs Rock or the Eureka Tower. In all honesty, I would've liked it if there was a reference to the "big" landmarks (The Big Strawberry, The Big Banana, The Big Pineapple and The Big Guitar) Maybe in the form of an item called "The Big Bunch". The voice acting is alright; it's not terrible, but it's not great either. I think The Sniper needs more cosmetics in reference to our culture; maybe a hat called "December Sunnies" (Just a different pair of sunglasses where his hat would usually go) or maybe a cosmetic that gives him shorts and pluggers/thongs (Which is Australian slang for "flip flops") I hope the non-australians out there find my comment helpful and informative :)
1:52 I have no idea where that person got this information about english ver. and french ver. having the same voice actor but according to my memory (and the wiki) the VA for the spy in the english version is Dennis Bateman, and for the french version, spy is played by Serge Thiriet.
Given Spy's lore of literally scrubbing his name and birth record from existence and travelling the world, I bet he's not actually from France and that's a cover story.
In my opinion, it's all about context. Spy, being rather condescending, may seem like a reinforcement of the stereotype that French people are rude. However, he's an homage to spy characters like James Bond, who are famous for dry wit and deadpan banter. Soldier is essentially a parody of Cold War era United States nationalism. Perfect for the game's setting. Medic may seem like a Mengele-type butcher of a mad scientist, but there's actually nothing to imply that he was a Nazi back in Germany. He's actually closer to the archetype of the disgraced scientist, similar to characters like Doc Brown or the infamous Victor Frankenstein. They could've made him a Soviet doctor and his personality still totally would've worked. Engineer is, in my opinion, a great subversion of stereotypes. He's a Texan with a calm and kind demeanor who's always polite, even to his enemies. The characters in TF2 all have very specific reasons to be written like this. It's all about the personality.
36:40 Minor correction: he wanted to get _into_ fights, but his brothers were bigger and stronger, so the only way he could win fights instead of them was by getting there before them.
20:25 With my wife, who is currently learning german, i noticed that it is easiest to explain the pronounciation of Ä, Ö & Ü when you try to pronounce A, O or U and E at the same time. That might not be 100% correct but it is the closest i got her to pronounce them correctly.
Props for finding people from undetermined locations to review the character from undetermined locations! (Pyro) Missed opportunity to have an undercover Kiwi or two among the group reviewing the Sniper, though.
"Does TF2 exaggerate and stereotype the nationalities of its characters?" ...Yes. They're caricatures. And they're funny. There's a reason why stereotypes exist, yes, but... I mean, people hang onto them a tad too tightly, so why not lean into it?
this probably sounds wrong but stereotypes dont always have to be a bad thing. ive met a lot of americans (myself included) that find the overly patriotic, gun-firing, eagle screeching stereotype to be funny
@@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514 Well, yes. Not all stereotypes are bad. They're often used negatively, but they don't have to be. Yes, our patriotism and firearm-toting ways can be, and often are, used to disparage us Americans... But, honestly, who wouldn't want a friend who is fully willing to lose all forms of subtlety to keep you safe and your friendship strong? That passion, that willingness to squabble, can be used both ways.
This is genuinely very insightful and fascinating, thanks for making this video. Could have done a bit more commentary with soldier considering he's the stereotype of a 1940s ww2 patriot and his accent is based on general Patton.
This was very enlightening. I very much enjoy listening to people talk about their culture. I could feel the fondness of the memories some of them had when speaking on certain things. The Scotts were my favorite, it makes me want to learn more about Scottland
@zionmolina3039 French Catalans aren't Occitan despite of the new French regions. So he would be from the Oriental pyreneese. Him speaking French Spanish and Catalan + his tanned skin complexion would indicated that he would have been from or around the city of Perpignan.
@@ianshores7 I think the pitch is a little off (Besides I thought Kronii was Canadian and I swear she gave thoughts on Engi as well) but I can definitely see where you're coming from there
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their earbuds kinda suck ngl
im German my relative agreed that medic is good
no
28:01 I saw that spider-gwen video buddy
NOBODY ASKED
Other nationalities: “it’s a bit of an exaggeration but it’s a fun representation”
Americans: “the soldier is literally me”
id like to point out that the Texan's first reaction to engineer's secondary was "not enough gun"
Shortest section
My only issue with soldier is he uses a Russian rocket launcher rather than a bazooka and the bazooka that he does have is his worst rocket launcher
Europeans: Yeah, this is a bit of a stereotype
Amerians and Russians: This is so us
@@Internet-Resident in my opinion as a texan the engineer HAS to be pretty realistic for a crazed engineer
he's got all the classics: barbeque, beer, boomsticks - and he fixes things, which i feel like has to be if you condensed all the main cast of King of the Hill (the show) into one guy
Spy was actually designed without a nationality in mind. The voice actor has said he tried both a Spanish and Italian accent for him before settling on the French one.
And in the French localization he's switched to being British and using gratuitous English instead of the gratuitous French of the original, further showing that the design works with other nationalities.
@@paradoxicaloutcome1007 Given all the "London" memes, checks out.
For whatever reason, the Spy always came across more as Belgian than French to me. Not sure why. It'd honeslty fit the 'multilingual semi-chameleon' nature of the character more.
Euro trash as valve says
@@alasdairsinclair916 his primary weapon is a knife so yeah
The Scots were really into sharing their history and really enlightening on the names of the items.
They were absolutely my favorite because of that too. It was so entertaining and informative.
Yeah it was interesting hearing accurate accents and learning about their culture.
This is why fantasy dwarves (at least in Dungeons and Dragons) are Scottish.
Demoman is one of the best depictions of *scottish* I have ever seen, it’s the stereotypical aspects of demoman that make him demoman, and he is perfect. I am Scottish btw
There's a country whose people still broadly have pride for where they come from
Scout is just Boston.
He’s the kind of person I’d see walking down the street, bonus points if he doesn’t know how to drive.
Scout definitely doesn’t know how to drive
I'm pretty sure if scout tried to drive he's break every speed limit and somehow get to where they are going but end up smashing the car
@@mariustan9275scout wouldn't even need a car he's almost as fast as usain bolt when he's just walking
@@amanofpotatoes2176 What if he wanted to take Ms. Pauling to a dinner date
@@mariustan9275 hes great at carrying the intelligence ;)
I love how every American was just like "Yeah, they're pretty much our weirder ones."
"Texans"
soldier is peak american, only commies would disagree
Are they though?
@@JessePrower basically
Yup pretty much.
Every other country “idk kinda offensive not really accurate”
Every American: “I trust this man with my life, I know his mom and I see him every day on my way to work”
“I am literally him, he is my dad and my uncle and my dog even looks like that”
Hollywood shows
Giving Heavy a PhD in Russian Literature and a big family to take care of was the best decision they could've made. And the fucking "I've yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet" line is just one of the coolest things in the entirety of TF2
I do believe you mean *boolet*
heavy's PhD in literature fact comes from Poker Night at the Inventory, which is not canon, although it does sound totally believable
Funny thing is in Russia there's a saying "the bullet is dumb but the rifle knife is doing good job"
@@retii5047 "Пуля - дура! Штык - молодец!" I think you're talking about this one?
@htlinr1146 да, я просто пыталась перевести для общего понимания. Просто это звучит как либо он говорит что те кого он встретил на столько неразумные что пуля умнее, либо напрямую меняет значение и мне это кажется смешным почему-то))
kritzkrieg is a reference to blitzkrieg, but the cool thing is while the kritzkrieg gives you kritz, blitzkrieg gives you methanphetamine
Panzerschokolade!
Don’t see any difference.
It makes you so high your damage done also get high
Mmhhh Lakritzkrieg…
Thats why my kritzkrieg is named Amphetamine Injector
Can't forget that Scout is named after Boston's most famous celebrity, Jeremy Albertson
Scouts named after Jerma I think
ELBERTSON.
@@hēæmburger Jeremy Albertson is Jerma
@taraktaras7327 aight sorry im not an og
@@hēæmburger I didn't know that his last name was Albertson and had to google who that was so it's all fine
I’m Special K, one of the folks who spoke on Scottish culture for the demoman, thanks for having me Phish
Man I have so much negative to say about Demoman now, thanks!
I never knew scottish culture was so intersting, your guys part was my absolute favorite of the video because of how invested you guys were on your culture and that got me invested lol, thanks for making the video more enjoyable mate hope you have a good day ❤
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Soldier is not a stereotype, because most of my dad's friends are like him (but more friendly to me at least)
Well, at least Soldier seems to appreciate his teammates, both in canon and in game.
@@StoryTeller796ignore him choking out scout when he's told he cant teleport bread anymore wow what a friendly fellow
@DaKingKayden Well. I mean. Also ignore Heavy, Saxton Hale, Ms. Pauling, Medic, Spy (At least explicitly, implicitly my man here is happy to be a father to Scout), and every other interaction with everyone else Scout has had.
Scout is the Daffy Duck of the crew, of course he's going to get his own ass handed to him by literally everyone, Soldier is just the most explicitly blunt example of him giving Scout his karmic retribution for his hubris.
@@StoryTeller796 yeah soldier is friendly to everyone (except scunt) but still, this is a lead poisoned, delusional, genocidal xenophobic schizophrenic man so I wouldnt trust him
Er... I mean AMERICA WOOOO (I am Canadian)
@@StoryTeller796that wasn’t in response to his dumbassery, that was in response to being told he can’t teleport bread
i fucking love getting to the Engineer segment and theres just one person who is so astronomically down bad for him XD
The question is.... are you?
@@SciRuler Not really, but I certainly do see the appeal, as a lesbian with a Texan wife
Smash next question
Tbh, with the way they were talking I was half expecting one of them to call him "daddy"
I have a discord gal friend from texas and she SIMPS for engineer. Like, she even modded the class to have the "buff engineer" model
boston being its own flag is crazy
Cities have flags ya know although I'm not from Boston
NO HATE TO MY GOAT EDITOR GABRIEL CAUSE THE EDITING FOR THIS IS FIRE, but he did miss a lil note I left that we should put the Massachusetts flag instead of a literal map pointing at Boston lmao
Oh, Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning. @@SaltyPhish
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I’ve never left Texas before and imo engines the best Texan Rancher characterization because everyone in my family is very polite and soft spoken yet still tough and rigid underneath, plus every older male in my family is a handyman in some way so he’s definitely Texas made, 10/10!
gotta agree
stereotypes are always present because someone had that personal experience and shared it around
@@saferhere The antebellum south?
.... You have never left the state of Texas? How old are you may i ask
@@a.nobodys.nobody i think he might have meant he never moved OUT of texas
@@a.nobodys.nobodyTexas is massive you can drive for days and still be in Texas. It isn’t out of the ordinary to stay in your state.
hi, i was one of the people that spoke about the medic, it was really nice to talk about the german culture although i was pretty nervous because this was my first time doing something like this, but thank you phish for granting me and everyone else in this video the chance to create something cool
I like how him dealing with the devil is very accurat too the german story like Siebenmeilenstiefel.
Plus isn't there Dr. Faust who made a deal with the devil for power, kinda like the Medic?
As an Australian, yes we beat the shit out of each other, no we don't throw piss at each other. That's why Sniper in canonically from New Zealand
This 😭🙏
Here in New Zealand we also don’t throw piss at each other
Sounds like cope. @@yeetfish1315
I was quite worried about the goon bag
Here in New Zealand we don't throw piss at eachother either. We throw sheep and rugby balls.
Hi, I'm one of the people who spoke on Sniper! This was so much fun to record and speak on the Australian-ness, especially considering I've practically never touched the game lmao (don't tell Phish). Tons of fun, would Australian again
But he's a new Zealander
@@derek90909 grew up in australia + new zealand doesn't exactly exist in the tf2 lore anymore
@@truestbluuit does exist, it's just at the bottom of the ocean.
@@soulcyclone360 yeah, flooded and uninhabitable lol
New Zealand = Atlantis
Man I loved the classic mild pretention in the French meeting the "bonjour" with "bonSOIR"
A classic
"Our children pass school, yours pass away" oh ny god why did thay get me so hard
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Wha-
ayo?.... elaborate man...
@@SciRulerit was said in the video. It was one ofthe Australians roasting (in good fun I think) America
I understand what you meant but it's phrased VERY unfortunately.
I love in these videos when one of the people calls an accent “stereotypical” when they have an even more intense or equally as intense accent
"W-WHA...... I DON'T SOUND LIKE THAT!" -person who sounds exactly like that (i do think its personal bias but i think voice actors put a lot of emphasis into nationality, sometimes too much which is what they meant)
I kinda can understand them.
While Heavy accent is good, as a russian i can immideatelly tell that he is voiced not by russian actor. It's not bad, but it's a thing with native speakers, they just can tell when someone immitate their accent.
@@ivansolodyankin6820 as far i know the va for medic also isnt german
@@Lavender2005 the whole cast is american, if i'm not mistaken.
And i love them for how much of work they did with Valve games (not only TF2)
@ oh ofc, I can tell as well with the German and Russian ones since I have a passing ability to speak them, but at the same time it really doesn’t matter and I don’t get why some (more so in the OW video) get so cut over it. Australian accents are butchered in almost every game where they’re included but I don’t even think about it half the time and vibe with them regardless.
23:00 As a german I gotta point out here that Schweinehund is still in use, but not with any connotation that is nearly as heavy as that. I admittedly know barely anything about its useage during or around the time of WWII, but nowadays it typically refers to one's "inner pig-dog", meaning one's pig-like affinity for messiness, and the dog-like affinity for blindly following your urges, which you would have to overcome in order to get something done. Whether or not this was tied to minorities at some point I cannot say, but it most likely wasn't picked for that in TF2
Its been in use since the 1800s. its just a mean insult. it was used to insult jews but it would be the same as an American calling someone a fuckup or dumbfuck. it wasnt made exactly for them unlike the term Mischling
I've always thought the whole uber mechanic was an odd choice of name since the first real association I got from it was with ubermensch but like, specifically in the WW2 way, had no clue it was a Nietzsche thing first, so that was reassuring.
true, "overcoming the inner pig-dog" is a pretty common expression for displaying self dicipline and doing a chore or sth. instead of sth. you would enjoy, but i think in this context its more insult "Schweinehund" or "Sauhund". Sauhunde were dogs used for boar hunting and generally attributed with agression, lack of immorality but also bravery, using it as an insult implies opposing the means and actions of the other person, but also kinda crediting them with a weird form of respect.
Yeah, I just thought it's a common swear. People in my country call each other pigs and dogs all the time, I don't see why this one is especially offensive
Oh holy shit I realized when watching this that the Loch-and-Load is modeled after a China Lake grenade launcher and that's why the name has the Gaelic word for lake in it.
Wait holy shit, that's so cool
Yeah, the loch name in spanish sucks. Localizator could have done a word game with "lake" but instead we got something like "the bombster of ness lake"
It's...complicated. It's a 2 shot launcher, clearly based more off the M79/Thumper, but with an extra barrel added, though i guess that could be an explanation??
One thing I believe is why some of these classes aren't really that accurate to the nationality is because the game is set in the 1960s, and this is what an American in the 1960s would think a person from this nation would be and I love it so much
i love that you love the designs but like, the game may be set in the 1960s but it wasn't made in them lol
It was made to make everyone look like propaganda like stereotypes so yeah. Then again I would like a digeridoo melee for sniper (if it's spelled like that) and a 6 shooter for engineer. @@rubiks5659
@@rubiks5659 I know that lol, what I was saying was the developers took stereotypes of different cultures of that era and elevated them to their extreme
@@rubiks5659 while creating the characters the devs thought what an american during the 1950s/60s thought that person was like
TF2 setting is like if you took a 1960s spy film and dialed it up to 11. Much of its style and tropes are pulled from Cold War era media.
As a pyro main who has a history lighting things on fire in real life as well as being chaotic via extreme mood swings and a sometimes childish or aggressive behavior and has an obsession with gas masks and fire i give pyro 10/10
maybe just become pyro at this point
@ I can’t legally but that’s why I call myself the space pyro or some variation of it and use pyro as my icon every where I go on the internet
Pyro is the best character
@@PyromaN93 I agree
Streamy Dodo? I know a fella named that who is very similar to you lol
25:06 as a native Texan, he’s 100% a country guy, he has farm kid energy
40:16 pyro is pyro. They don’t need a gender, or a nationality, or anything
Pyro is pyro.
Live, laugh, arson
@@ZenithPeak1 Oh, quit that. He's a man. He's voiced by a man, everyone calls him a man, he's a MAN.
@@Timelord411 Everyone called SAM from Honkai a male, and turns out it is a girl. The fact that everyone calls Pyro a man might be because everyone else is male, so it wouldn't be "The men and Pyro". Also Pyro from TFClassic is canonically a woman, so-
He's from Bee Cave which was rural during tf2s time, so you're not wrong!
Yeehaw yeahhaw
I'm pretty certain the developers meant the characters to be caricature to some extent.
Like, c'mon, it's especially obvious with the Soldier who was literally made into everything USA is laughed at for and cranked up to 200%.
Exactly, none of the developers were trying to accurately depict the culture of wherever the class was from. It was meant to take stereotypes of then and crank it up a notch
@@scott963Which makes them glorious characters
Yeah that's what I'm confused about because everyone is meant to be an exaggerated stereotype. I think even the developers confirmed this in an interview or the in-game dev commentary.
the thing about caricatures is that, they're caricatures. They're supposed to recognizably remind you of something that they're caricaturing. Every low score were because how little they caricature the nationality the merc is based on.
and then America said "Ight bet" and matched it
americans🤝russians
[sees most insane person] yep thats us
28:30 the body is a sniper which because snipers are always camping, it's a campfire, this is also the reason he lives in a camper van.
Cmon, its a bloody camper
@@untipogracioso3038 the joke is that sniper is doing a “campfire”
10:07 I find it funny how this was put here because it isn't an actual TF2 comic page, it's fanart made by a lewd artist lmao
Oh god I recognize that artist as well. 99% of the time, if you see TF2 fanart, said artists has drawn the mercs... Ahem... ''Pushing their payloads''. ''Capturing their points''. ''Stealing their intels''. And so on.
Dude. oh my god salty bro wtf 😭
deadass looked it up cause i couldn’t tell if it was a canon comic or not
Yo whats the artist im bored
@@Stirfry47 ncalabby 😁
I'm the guy who spoke for Heavy. Nice to be on the vid, despite not being prepared at all and having my timezone work against me.
I'd like to know if any other people have trouble tolerating subpar Russian language done in media like I do (with Sova for example).
Хз, просто штука которую нужно принять.
Шотландцы слышат свой карикатурно-выкрученный акцент в каждом втором фентези.
FAKE CYRILLIC это ужасно, это отвратительно и это ломает мой мозг. Все остальное намного менее серьезно и в общем то происходит со всеми национальностями, и меня это особо не задевает.
What I hate is media rarely represents Russian history/aesthetics outside of the USSR. There is the occasional references to Cossacks, or late Imperial Russia, but practically never early Imperial/Medieval. I also cant think of any examples of representation for the steppe peoples in Sibiria.
(Almost done) I think "funny" Russian characters should actually have a Russian sense of humor. I think Zarya from Overwatch does this the best.
Lastly, as much as I like how many Russian characters are tanky classes (my favorite kind to play) I *really* think there should be more inventor/artist/scientist Russian characters (i.e. Viktor from LoL). An INSANE ammount of ideas, art and technology came from Russia thoughout her history, and highlighting that could bring more positive light to how people see Russia(ns).
Also, more Russian proverbs need saying (again, Zarya has this pretty covered), some of them are so good.
@@MachosauseViktor is Russian? Really?
"Team Fortress 2 has characters from across the globe-"
France
Germany
Scotland
Russia
New Zealand
America
America
AMERICA
Unknown
Four continents. Not bad
(Heavy is from Siberia, which is Asian, not European)
You messed up on one of the characters it’s just Boston there are a different species
Heavy isn’t from Siberia I believe, he moved their later in life to hide from the government
i saw a fan theory that spy is actually catalan and he moved to france in when he was young to escape shenanigans
Well French Catalans are a thing ! I suspect the Spy to be from the Catalan era in south of France. Most people there speak French and have a use Catalan expressions all the time and a lot of people there can usually speak spanish.
I enjoy that headcannon
I thought that only I think that, I never knew there was a tgeory about it
I'm going to champion a theory that he's Andorran and picks whether he's French or Spanish depending on what would help him sneak the best.
@@Reddsoldier Plus Andora is bassically Wakanda for white people :'D A hidden city/country between in the mountains
I will say, as someone who lives NEAR Boston (I'm slightly more Cape Cod/coastal), I always got more of a New York vibe from scout. I mean sure, he's got the sports and the accent, but he also just kinda looks like the 4th lost member of the Beastie Boys. He has a lot of hip hop influence and a breakdancing taunt, but from my experience Boston never had a hip hop scene like that
I agree honestly
If you check the developers commentary nodes in tf2 they mention that they are deliberate stereotypes to represent what Americans in the 60s thought these nationalities are like.
Thank you again for having us french invade- uh be invited on stream Phish!
10:08 t-that's an NSFW artist, i almost spilled my orange juice-
I KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY i could recognize that art from a mile away
25:28 I checked, yes there's TF2 Engineer asmr. Though, I am NOT clicking to see if it's just 20 minutes of Grant Goodeve waxing poetic about guns.
Watch it *TWICE*
@ no v:
The Engineer wants you to Engi-hear what he has to say.
@@StealthTheFoxz no v:
give me a moment.
maybe im looking in too deep into this but maybe spy being well a spy it what also makes it that he doesn't seem that french. cuz it would mae it harder to narrow down who is the guy spying like he's french but does not sound french
Maybe even calling himself French is a lie to hide where he actually came from.
@@Appletank8 my goodness where do the laywers of lies stop
@@Appletank8 I heard that the VA tried multiple accents before settling on French. And in the French dub he's actually British. So he's not really meant to be obviously French, and can clearly work with other nationalities.
John French.
I've actually heard this theory multiple times, like he behaves just way too stereotypically French to hide his true nationality. Suits me really well. (Although would be a pity that we never really got to kick some French ass)
God, I love all their accents
Edit: I love learning about all these cultures too! Amazing content
Agreed
As Texan, Engineer is insanely accurate. Got the Boots, Button up, even the white crewneck underneath. I think I own thise pair of boots. Only thing I can think that they got inaccurate is that Banjo taunt which they mentioned.
"Dag nabbit" is a phrase I'd hear pretty often too, although I personally haven't seen many Texas characters in media say it besides Engi.
I’ve lived in Texas most my life and dag nabbit isn’t something I naturally say but more try to force out to emulate the stereotype I strive to be
My grandma wasn’t from Texas to my knowledge but “Dag nabbit” is one of her MAIN phrases lmao. I’m pretty sure she’s midwestern
Texan battle Engie vs Hank Hill
18:44 “very American fursuit”
I can confirm know a few American furries who just look like that lmfao
This was fun. There were so many of us Texans in there. Glad my Armadillo rating got in there
Special K leading the way for us Scots, what a lad. Loved chatting to you about oor hame.
Thank you for respecting our culture by playing the bagpipes in the background and including our national icon Shrek.
That’s me! Thanks! Love being Scottish 🏴🏴
fantastic video, think the best bit was the aussies talking about there 'goon bag' (haha funny word alert) and it throwing me off. After the explanation of what it is, I had the cursed thought of 'Wonder when the Aussies and Canucks meet each other, combine there bagged bev's together to make the double-cursed liquor of 'Irish Cream in a bag'
The world is not ready.
The Internet has ruined you
"Boston • "
Used the official flag and everything for Scout. Incredible.
Ahh yes, Robin Atkin Downes, my favorite Philadelphian....
Never heard of that context for "Schweinehund". Figured it was just if Schwein or Hund alone wasn't harsh enough, you'd call them both. In German, you can pretty much string nouns together for as long as need to describe something. Kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtversicherung for example (basically means car insurance)
Overwatch: yeah this is a pretty good representation, could be sillier though
TF2: Spy TF2
as an American I can confirm that flanking the enemy is in our blood
for the texans in this vid, here you go:
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for the australians in the vid: i feel your pain with the recorder, we got them in Ireland too. my sensory issues did NOT help.
Is the recorder just a Universal experience??
@@amanita_soulz8792 let me see..
oh my god... the americans... the indonesians... is there no end to the madness...
Ya know, of all the people to make a video about racial stereotypes, I trust Phish to do it. That's because he's usually so goofy and not one to start drama (that I've seen) that I believe it's a genuine question of curiosity, rather than trying to prove a point one way or another.
Nations arent races mate
As someone from the Midwest, the Soldier is 110% accurate, I'm related to someone that looks like him and I'm friends with someone that has been firing shotguns since he was 12.
19:38 funny thing is, Medic's VA isn't from philli, he's British!
I was thinking the same thing, thought I was wrong there for a second.
Very happy that Buckfast was one of the first things mentioned.
Also agree that the accent is basically a Yank doing a Scottish accent. If anyone wants a great example of a video-game character with proper Scottish VAing, give Morag a look from Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Don't most of the characters in those games have English or Scottish voice acting anyways? Like listen to Shulk.
@@mariustan9275 Yerp, very varied cast of VAs. I espeically like that the different countries mainly stick to a regional accent (Scottish/Mor Ardain, Welsh/Gormott, Uraya/Asutralian, etc.)
i love how all the classes get fair critiques and the Americans derange into madness, 10 guns/10 very accurate
every other character having a flag, and scout just having a red exclusion zone with red impact font letters
Other nationalities: "I would say the representation is accurate but I've never met someone like that before."
Australians: "You never pissed in a jar before?"
Ah yes, my favorite nationality - Boston
11:12 I think Xenoblade 2 has been the only exception to this that I know of. Xenoblade 1 was localized by Nintendo of Europe, and it meant that the whole game's cast was British English. In the sequel they did something neat where the different races of characters have different UK accents depending on where they're from.
I know this video is all about video game nationalities and how gamers rate and enjoy the character’s nationalities, which was some great fun.
But the fact that Soldier, the embodiment of American Yankees has such a short section about his nationality accuracy and everyone agrees “Yep, he’s an icon of American representation” while also viewing him as your average American is peak comedy.
Goon bags are the bags from box wine taken out of the box
((Most prominent example in the states is probably Franzia))
I'm drinking the contents of the goon bag it's a 50/50 right either I'm having a good time or a great time
As an American I thought it meant something else
Not having flats as your boston guy was such a missed opportunity
Would Flats be interested though?
My take on Heavy: i love his origin, ran away with his family when revolution and civil war started, so he has more of a late russian empire take when talking about his guns. Melee... yeah, kgb, gru references, model is good though, it is actually Soviet boxing gloves, i think I've seen exact same pair of gloves somewhere in my grandparents house.
Personality is a stereotype. He is tough on the outside but loving in inside is a thing that is starting to become next basic russian character idea people use to "not offend" natives. But for tf2 time it was really good.
My rating would be 7-8/10. The looks are there, the weapons can be justified, personality is fine, story is what is carrying the character for me.
The thumbnail showing soldier as being "offensive" just for his section to be the shortest in the video is absolutely hilarious
Soldier: Psychopath
Scout: Psychopath
Heavy: Psychopath
Confirmed, they are all psychopaths, and as humans, we are psychopaths, so the stereotypes are on point.
23:12 i like how even the Germans dont know its just a really mean insult. its how the marines got the term devil dog the Germans called us schweinehund and then got lost in translation. yes they called Jews Schweinhund but it wasnt made exactly for them, it goes back to the 1800s
Nowadays its also very much still in use. The phrase "Den eigenen Schweinehund überwinden" to get over your own pigdog as an example. This phrase basically means to get on you ass and do your work/chores and stop whining and beeing lazy.
Lmao, I'm glad they brought up Massholes. Lived near the cape for a while and encountered a few guys who fit the Scout perfectly
Also, shoutout to Cumbie's
Everyone: "They tried hard but not very accurate"
America: "Shit that's so accurate"
Australian here, Sniper is a 3.5
Sure, he says stuff like "bloody" and "piss" a lot, but he also says a bunch of other stuff that doesn't really represent Australian culture very well.
Absolutely no one says "crikey" or "Truckie" here; we tend to say other stuff like "Tradie" and "Gronk".
We are simular to British people in the sense that we call people "dogs".
Not many references to Australian landmarks, either.
There's no mentions of Uluru/Airs Rock or the Eureka Tower.
In all honesty, I would've liked it if there was a reference to the "big" landmarks (The Big Strawberry, The Big Banana, The Big Pineapple and The Big Guitar) Maybe in the form of an item called "The Big Bunch".
The voice acting is alright; it's not terrible, but it's not great either.
I think The Sniper needs more cosmetics in reference to our culture; maybe a hat called "December Sunnies" (Just a different pair of sunglasses where his hat would usually go) or maybe a cosmetic that gives him shorts and pluggers/thongs (Which is Australian slang for "flip flops")
I hope the non-australians out there find my comment helpful and informative :)
Yeah, but if you do all the that, the Valve's Sniper will be so much better than your Sniper.
1:52 I have no idea where that person got this information about english ver. and french ver. having the same voice actor but according to my memory (and the wiki) the VA for the spy in the english version is Dennis Bateman, and for the french version, spy is played by Serge Thiriet.
They must sound similar enough that the layman thinks they're the same VA if they don't specifically know that.
the Phish video essay arc goes crazy
13:10 "We'll just make it 2006."
"When? I think that would make me 18."
As a person born in 2006, can confirm.
Same
Same
for pyro, get a group of furries
now now
he supposed to ask PEOPLE
seems about right
@@LuciusDidusaverage anti furry view on humans that wear fluff:
@Megajaybreaker4 what's wrong with opinion of normal person
@LuciusDidus You have more edge than a Hot Topic
As a french, I can guarantee that the spy is indeed as french as the Vegas' Eiffel tower
30:39 yeah same dawg was very confused on the term "goon bag" had me thinking aussies carried around bags of coom everywhere they went
People be simping for the Engineer.
The oss 117 thing is cool as hell i love little cultural references
Given Spy's lore of literally scrubbing his name and birth record from existence and travelling the world, I bet he's not actually from France and that's a cover story.
Not the heavy/medic date comic LMFAAAAO
In my opinion, it's all about context. Spy, being rather condescending, may seem like a reinforcement of the stereotype that French people are rude. However, he's an homage to spy characters like James Bond, who are famous for dry wit and deadpan banter. Soldier is essentially a parody of Cold War era United States nationalism. Perfect for the game's setting. Medic may seem like a Mengele-type butcher of a mad scientist, but there's actually nothing to imply that he was a Nazi back in Germany. He's actually closer to the archetype of the disgraced scientist, similar to characters like Doc Brown or the infamous Victor Frankenstein. They could've made him a Soviet doctor and his personality still totally would've worked. Engineer is, in my opinion, a great subversion of stereotypes. He's a Texan with a calm and kind demeanor who's always polite, even to his enemies. The characters in TF2 all have very specific reasons to be written like this. It's all about the personality.
10:07 that is NOT from the official comics bud….
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"thanks" not needed
36:40 Minor correction: he wanted to get _into_ fights, but his brothers were bigger and stronger, so the only way he could win fights instead of them was by getting there before them.
20:25 With my wife, who is currently learning german, i noticed that it is easiest to explain the pronounciation of Ä, Ö & Ü when you try to pronounce A, O or U and E at the same time. That might not be 100% correct but it is the closest i got her to pronounce them correctly.
I love how the opening scene has all these flags and then just
✰Boston
I'm glad I waited until 2am to take part of this, was very fun
37:02 classic Bostonian line
And Phish cracking up about it immediately after it was said haha
Props for finding people from undetermined locations to review the character from undetermined locations! (Pyro)
Missed opportunity to have an undercover Kiwi or two among the group reviewing the Sniper, though.
As a Texan, I know for a fact when Engineer is not drinking beer, he is drinking a nice cold Dr. Pepper
"Does TF2 exaggerate and stereotype the nationalities of its characters?"
...Yes. They're caricatures. And they're funny. There's a reason why stereotypes exist, yes, but... I mean, people hang onto them a tad too tightly, so why not lean into it?
@@anonymouslucario285 I am not. I thoroughly enjoy my stereotypes.
@@anonymouslucario285 Why would I be?
this probably sounds wrong but stereotypes dont always have to be a bad thing. ive met a lot of americans (myself included) that find the overly patriotic, gun-firing, eagle screeching stereotype to be funny
@@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514 Well, yes. Not all stereotypes are bad. They're often used negatively, but they don't have to be.
Yes, our patriotism and firearm-toting ways can be, and often are, used to disparage us Americans... But, honestly, who wouldn't want a friend who is fully willing to lose all forms of subtlety to keep you safe and your friendship strong? That passion, that willingness to squabble, can be used both ways.
The stereotypes of TF2 are so cool tbh, i like how one of the medic's weapon is called "the kritzkrieg" lol
This is genuinely very insightful and fascinating, thanks for making this video. Could have done a bit more commentary with soldier considering he's the stereotype of a 1940s ww2 patriot and his accent is based on general Patton.
As a Texan, I can confirm we all are constantly building guns and are engineers
This was very enlightening. I very much enjoy listening to people talk about their culture. I could feel the fondness of the memories some of them had when speaking on certain things. The Scotts were my favorite, it makes me want to learn more about Scottland
You forgot to show the Catalan flag for the languages the Spy speaks. Which implies that he is from the Catalogue french side of France.
Is the Spy Occitan then?
@zionmolina3039 French Catalans aren't Occitan despite of the new French regions. So he would be from the Oriental pyreneese. Him speaking French Spanish and Catalan + his tanned skin complexion would indicated that he would have been from or around the city of Perpignan.
@zionmolina3039 But yeah he would be from what is today's Occitania.
@@axelv9209 Could he potentially be Pyreene Basque or Aragonese?
24:41 Did he vent in Electrical?
34:15 I mean, Scout is canonically meant to be the whole package according to "God" Himself.
I swear I recognize the voice of the first lady who spoke about Pyro but I don’t know where
I think it might have been the Vtuber Kronii
@@ianshores7 I think the pitch is a little off (Besides I thought Kronii was Canadian and I swear she gave thoughts on Engi as well) but I can definitely see where you're coming from there
Can confirm the Massachusetts stuff, recently moved out here and holy hell I've met like 5 scouts so far
The scout segment had me dying, imagining a dude from Boston angrily calling someone the great pumpkin is gonna keep me going for the rest of the year
21:42 my old PE teacher was german, and we heard so many “i want names!” She was very scary