Rally drivers are different breed, unlike any other race drivers. A F1 driver sees one corner 10 thousand times, Rally driver sees 10 thousand corners just once.
Nah, we need something like Moto One or Scorpion Masters but for drivers. Both events tried to find the perfect motorbike rider by making them compete in circuit racing, motocross, supermoto, enduro, trials and even stunting. We need the same... but with drivers. · Rally-raid (buggies?) · Karting (125cc karts) · Rallycross (RX Lites) · Drifting (style points) or Gymkhana (time attack) · 4x4 trials (stock modified) · Circuit racing (Porsche Cup or EuroNASCAR)
Diego Ruiz there is Race of champions held in the end of the year. Its not exactly like what you mention but its driver from multiple discipline compete with different type of cars. It's indoor though
It's all in asphalt, the course is too short... My proposal would be expensive but very very cool. You just need 6-8 cars of each kind and some could be used in 2-3 disciplines.
Fergutor Not really. Even the drivers will tell you the car matters most (as is always the case in motorsport), but in rally, the driver matters more compared to other racing series.
Dude, Sebastien Loeb beat WRC cars with Super 1600 car...Do you think that would be possible with the same pilots and the same cars but on circuits? Rally is not like other motorsports, you should know that. And when rally drivers talk about the importance of speed of a car is when they're sure the other guy is as their level, and they're pushing at amximun, and the setup is right while not knowing how right is the other guy's setup...
with the skills he has as a driver, the confidence on any condition of weather or surface, plus how well they'd perform on old tires, seb i think would give f1 super stars a run for their money
Just shows you why Kubica is such a great driver. Yeah he made some rookie mistakes, but when he didn't he was competitive against the best drivers in WRC. I'm certain Ogier would make mistakes in F1 for the first few years. Let's not forget Kubica's physical limitations and car problems which made it that much more difficult for him.
I will. He was able to win stages, rarely, but still he managed to get stage wins on tarmac, gravel, even snow, which proves his ability to be competitive by itself. Countless times he'd occupy higher places 2nd thru 5th at the end of a stage. All that during the time when then first 3 spots were practically reserved for VW since other factory cars could barely compete, let alone a privateer Fiesta. You can't deny the pace was there. It was his lack of experience which caused him to make the mistakes he did. I'm sure he'd get even better was he able to stay in WRC for few more years. I'm sure his pacenotes would become more refined and his ability to avoid crashes would improve. To support my opinion I'll link up an article. Just read the first paragraph: www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/kubica-keeps-up-stage-winning-record-on-rally-mexico/
Do you honestly believe that, no rally driver is going around Spa 44 times. Rallying drivers are super impressive but by the time they learn how to properly handle that car for that long, a F1 driver could certainly learn how to a competitive time around a rally track imo
@@omgHeadshots This shows that you have no clue about what rallying is. Lewis Hamilton would never be able to even get close to a competitive time at any rally stage. Vargåsen (A 10km Rally Sweden stage) is driven on snow, ice and gravel and the avg speeds exceed 120km/h. Over Colins Crest, the cars are going past 180km/h (In WRC cars it's sometimes past 200km/h because they have 380hp in comparison to the WRC2 cars that "only" has 280hp). Some F1 tracks can fit well over 5 cars (sometimes more) in width but most rally stages can barely fit 2 rally cars width. Combine a narrow track, with little to no track knowledge (you get to drive one time up and down the track to go through pace notes and that's it, before you go out there to race), constantly changing road conditions with potholes, bumpy terrain, loose surfaces and the slightest mistake by the co-driver might get you killed. If he says "5 right" instead of "3 right" you're either going to end up through a guard rail, tumbling down a mountain a few hundred meters or you're going to hit a tree at 150km/h. If you're luck there won't be any spectators lining the track there and you might even survive. Luckily this happens very rarely these days and most accidents are because of drivers mesing up the timing because if you turn 0.1 seconds too late you're most likely going to end up off track. An F1 car is harder to drive, yes, but it takes a lot longer to get good at rallying than at becoming competitive in F1.
@@tntfreddan3138 What makes you think that with enough time they wouldn't be able to adapt? What "makes" someone a top level racing driver? Really think you're just talking out of your ass.
I think it's safe to say that a rally driver in an F1 car would do better than an F1 driver in a rally car. In fact a race of F1 drivers trying to race a rally would probably be funny as f. Boom!!!! Lol (good part of the reason why I think rally drivers are the best drivers in the world)
McLarenHonda Are you mad? Kimi Raikkonen didn't have a good time in WRC. Sébastien Loeb though, he went in an f1 car and was already setting good times. Granted, he is one of the best Rally drivers and probably one of the best racing drivers of all time, but the point still stands.
McLarenHonda Also, in Rally it is much harder to keep the car on the roads and gravel at the limit. They are always sideways because they have less grip, so it is much harder to maintain a good line and drift on gravel as they could easily go off if they go a bit too fast.
If there is one thing you shouldn't do it's underastimating F1 drivers. The only difference between rally drivers and most F1 drivers is the balls. In the WRC there are plenty of them.
Difference beetwen average f1 driver and WRC driver In Rally you need to focus on road, to not hit tree, to not hit people, remember about speed on bumbs, set uping car on turns. Meanwhile at F1 you can just repeating "Bono, my tyres are gone" and you have 7 championship
Yes for sure 100%!! Raikkonen who was a world F1 champ when he switched to WRC did not managed to finish at a better place than 5th overall on a rally (wich is honorable) with the best car a the time! But good on him to have he balls to try WRC
yelistener Even a 18 years old kid can win a race there www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/15/max-verstappen-youngest-winner-f1-history-spanish-gran-prix F1 is just a marketing product, real drivers are in wrc
Rally easier? No bro.. another motorsport and car. I think the WRC drivers of those days can handle the Formula 1. But can a Formula 1 driver drive a WRC car with a stage like a Fafe stage?....
Rally drivers are different breed, unlike any other race drivers. A F1 driver sees one corner 10 thousand times, Rally driver sees 10 thousand corners just once.
Lol no they don't they rally the same courses.
2:24 Ogier forgot he was driving on A track and went back to rallying.
lmao
What we need is a full f1 race for current WRC drivers.
Nah, we need something like Moto One or Scorpion Masters but for drivers. Both events tried to find the perfect motorbike rider by making them compete in circuit racing, motocross, supermoto, enduro, trials and even stunting. We need the same... but with drivers.
· Rally-raid (buggies?)
· Karting (125cc karts)
· Rallycross (RX Lites)
· Drifting (style points) or Gymkhana (time attack)
· 4x4 trials (stock modified)
· Circuit racing (Porsche Cup or EuroNASCAR)
Diego Ruiz there is Race of champions held in the end of the year. Its not exactly like what you mention but its driver from multiple discipline compete with different type of cars. It's indoor though
It's all in asphalt, the course is too short... My proposal would be expensive but very very cool. You just need 6-8 cars of each kind and some could be used in 2-3 disciplines.
we hope too
@@DiegoRuiz1991 race of champions needs to do this. Somebody talk to michele mouton about this
Formula 1 doesn't need more good drivers, rally needs them!
In F1, almost always the best car wins, in rally the driver is the most importan variable.
Fergutor Not really. Even the drivers will tell you the car matters most (as is always the case in motorsport), but in rally, the driver matters more compared to other racing series.
Dude, Sebastien Loeb beat WRC cars with Super 1600 car...Do you think that would be possible with the same pilots and the same cars but on circuits? Rally is not like other motorsports, you should know that. And when rally drivers talk about the importance of speed of a car is when they're sure the other guy is as their level, and they're pushing at amximun, and the setup is right while not knowing how right is the other guy's setup...
@@Fergutor Bad comparision, Loeb is an alien.
@@confusedredditor1660 ...well, precisely my point is that the difference is the driver in rally..
Red Bull went to the trouble of putting Ogier into an F1 car and edited it into a 3 minute video.. FFS where's the full video.
I wonder how competitive his times were compared to when Loeb drove a RedBull F1 car a few years back? Loebs times where very good.
Loeb has always done some circuit racing, I don't think Ogier has much experience inside a racetrack...
Still faster than Palmer
Now out ricciardo or verstappen in the rally car 😂
Vettel tried rally car once he was in redbull racing F1 team. He got some nice piece of help from Ogier then. Results were average.
Kimi Raikkonen to
Miguel Louis true I guess haha. That's not really ferraris thing tho.
i mean Kimi went into rallying before to. where had to ditch a few grand prix and do some rallying. and also indycar
I don't think Kimi did Indy but he did NASCAR.
with the skills he has as a driver, the confidence on any condition of weather or surface, plus how well they'd perform on old tires, seb i think would give f1 super stars a run for their money
Just shows you why Kubica is such a great driver. Yeah he made some rookie mistakes, but when he didn't he was competitive against the best drivers in WRC. I'm certain Ogier would make mistakes in F1 for the first few years. Let's not forget Kubica's physical limitations and car problems which made it that much more difficult for him.
I will. He was able to win stages, rarely, but still he managed to get stage wins on tarmac, gravel, even snow, which proves his ability to be competitive by itself. Countless times he'd occupy higher places 2nd thru 5th at the end of a stage. All that during the time when then first 3 spots were practically reserved for VW since other factory cars could barely compete, let alone a privateer Fiesta. You can't deny the pace was there. It was his lack of experience which caused him to make the mistakes he did. I'm sure he'd get even better was he able to stay in WRC for few more years. I'm sure his pacenotes would become more refined and his ability to avoid crashes would improve. To support my opinion I'll link up an article. Just read the first paragraph: www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/kubica-keeps-up-stage-winning-record-on-rally-mexico/
Exactly!
Totally agree
(2:42) Whoa! I think that Red Bull just cornered like a rally car 👍
Because it have rally driver
Oops
Remember Loeb being in a real test session with a Red Bull F1 car? He could have raced in F1 for real except he didn't get a superlicence.
Awesome Driver Seb.
someone is a happy boi
Most rally drivers would manage to drive a lap, relatively fast, in an F1 car. Most F1 drivers wouldn't even make the first corner in a rally stage.
True
Do you honestly believe that, no rally driver is going around Spa 44 times.
Rallying drivers are super impressive but by the time they learn how to properly handle that car for that long, a F1 driver could certainly learn how to a competitive time around a rally track imo
@@omgHeadshots This shows that you have no clue about what rallying is. Lewis Hamilton would never be able to even get close to a competitive time at any rally stage. Vargåsen (A 10km Rally Sweden stage) is driven on snow, ice and gravel and the avg speeds exceed 120km/h. Over Colins Crest, the cars are going past 180km/h (In WRC cars it's sometimes past 200km/h because they have 380hp in comparison to the WRC2 cars that "only" has 280hp). Some F1 tracks can fit well over 5 cars (sometimes more) in width but most rally stages can barely fit 2 rally cars width. Combine a narrow track, with little to no track knowledge (you get to drive one time up and down the track to go through pace notes and that's it, before you go out there to race), constantly changing road conditions with potholes, bumpy terrain, loose surfaces and the slightest mistake by the co-driver might get you killed. If he says "5 right" instead of "3 right" you're either going to end up through a guard rail, tumbling down a mountain a few hundred meters or you're going to hit a tree at 150km/h. If you're luck there won't be any spectators lining the track there and you might even survive. Luckily this happens very rarely these days and most accidents are because of drivers mesing up the timing because if you turn 0.1 seconds too late you're most likely going to end up off track. An F1 car is harder to drive, yes, but it takes a lot longer to get good at rallying than at becoming competitive in F1.
Maybe Daniel Ricciardo can. He made an offroad video. Not a rally car but the route is like a rally stage.
@@tntfreddan3138 What makes you think that with enough time they wouldn't be able to adapt? What "makes" someone a top level racing driver? Really think you're just talking out of your ass.
Wrc is for the best of the best in motorsports
Grande Seb, Vinci anche questo mondiale per dimostrare che non era solo la macchina a vincere gli anni scorsi
Track drivers see one corner thousands of times. Rally drivers see a thousand corners one time.
Ok, Sun Tzu
and at night they hardly see the corners at all!!!
over edited, just show him doing a few laps lol
Orgier parabéns pelo teste com o F1 mais fique no WRC pois é o melhor esporte a motor da atualidade
Still faster than Mazepin
Ma man want to Drifting with those F1 Car xD
I miss V8 in F1
@@ElPino247 Nope, we likely would have lost more than one driver without the halo, thank God we put it on.
Who ask?
ogier es mi idolo cada vez me impresiona cada vezz
I hope it will be recommended after years
This reminds me of the time an f1 driver tried rally and rolled the car💀
Kimi F1 to WRC = Failed
Sebastien WRC to F1=??
Image that guy is actually going off track and win
would have been nice to actually show them getting to grips with the car...
I think it's safe to say that a rally driver in an F1 car would do better than an F1 driver in a rally car. In fact a race of F1 drivers trying to race a rally would probably be funny as f. Boom!!!! Lol (good part of the reason why I think rally drivers are the best drivers in the world)
McLarenHonda Are you mad? Kimi Raikkonen didn't have a good time in WRC. Sébastien Loeb though, he went in an f1 car and was already setting good times. Granted, he is one of the best Rally drivers and probably one of the best racing drivers of all time, but the point still stands.
McLarenHonda Also, in Rally it is much harder to keep the car on the roads and gravel at the limit. They are always sideways because they have less grip, so it is much harder to maintain a good line and drift on gravel as they could easily go off if they go a bit too fast.
If there is one thing you shouldn't do it's underastimating F1 drivers. The only difference between rally drivers and most F1 drivers is the balls. In the WRC there are plenty of them.
It depends on the driver a very good driver can be good at both
@BarbarossaBMW88 dumb prick....yeah rally drivers are better than F1 driver's F1 driver's are second tho
Nobody can beat the group B drivers...
agreed.....Loeb is the best driver ever...👍
pb?
Didn't he have a crash when testing for Finland rally? Guess he forgot he wasn't driving an F1 car =D
I bet his heart stopped when he went on the gravel
i am expecting hand brake turns and drift on a F1 car. U put a rally champ on It at least let him slides on every corners.
2 completely different things. On slides around in nature, the other grips up.
I wanna see lap times. A few more practices and a whole series about the progress and let them race a season on F1
blaa blaa blaa... can we see him drive now? I mean a complete lap not just the bits...
I think rally drivers would be better at f1 than f1 drivers at rally.
He sounds like Ocon to me
Difference beetwen average f1 driver and WRC driver
In Rally you need to focus on road, to not hit tree, to not hit people, remember about speed on bumbs, set uping car on turns.
Meanwhile at F1 you can just repeating "Bono, my tyres are gone" and you have 7 championship
F1がスポット参戦に寛容になってくれれば
That v6 egnine?????????????????????
It's a V8. Not sure what year the car is from. Has to be 2010-2013.
Tim Suetens 2011
WRC > F1
I love both.
Fruit salad is what you get when you mix apples and oranges
maybe
Yes for sure 100%!! Raikkonen who was a world F1 champ when he switched to WRC did not managed to finish at a better place than 5th overall on a rally (wich is honorable) with the best car a the time! But good on him to have he balls to try WRC
yelistener Even a 18 years old kid can win a race there www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/15/max-verstappen-youngest-winner-f1-history-spanish-gran-prix
F1 is just a marketing product, real drivers are in wrc
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This car dominated so much but man was it ugly.
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Rally > F1 >>> Nascar
Rally easier? No bro.. another motorsport and car. I think the WRC drivers of those days can handle the Formula 1. But can a Formula 1 driver drive a WRC car with a stage like a Fafe stage?....
Rally driver can drive and f1 car , but an f1 driver cannot drive a rally car
Bottas, Kubica, Raikkonen, Sainz Jr., the list goes on
@frosty 4 u you aint got a fucking clue have you
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Bwoah
lol, all that talk about winning and losing and "half a tenth of a second" and it's open track day with one car on the track.
F1 is like snooker and rally is like 8 ball