Torturing myself to learn DRUMS in 30 days...

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  • @scorchthesun
    @scorchthesun  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Hey guys i just wanted to say thanks for all the support and good comments! I wasn't expecting for this to get this much views as well, it's been great and you guys are awesome! Also, what would you guys like to see from this channel going forward?

    • @Chiclebombastico
      @Chiclebombastico 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      you should keep posting your progress in drums, i would love to keep watching how you develop if your gonna keep learning, it was a really fun video keep it up u got this
      (i recommend you to play fear of dying-poppy it help me to get started with fills)

    • @Ugly_potatoes
      @Ugly_potatoes 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      bro what's the name of the song when you regret your life choices, I've been trying to find it for so long lol

  • @Blacklight_Music
    @Blacklight_Music 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I’ve been playing the drums for 15+ years and even have a degree in drums. I say with confidence and experience that you are legitimately off to a great start. Keep it up and don’t stop!

  • @dobbyas7812
    @dobbyas7812 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    amazing video man, i didnt realized im watching a beginner youtuber till i scrolled to the comment section, keep it up!!!

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Ayy thanks man! I really appreciate that! It means a lot to hear that when just starting out

    • @dobbyas7812
      @dobbyas7812 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ wanna hear something more? you just inspired me and i have spend the whole fucking night learning basics of drums

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@dobbyas7812 BRO! Way to go! That's exactly what i was hoping to achieve with this video, hell yeah! Keep at it and you'll be better than me

  • @Shylmagoghnar
    @Shylmagoghnar 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Your experience is extremely relatable. I also started playing drums after already having been an experienced guitarist and oh boy, it did NOT come easy. Nothing more frustrating than knowing exactly what you're supposed to be doing, yet your limbs just decide that today is not the day and feel twice as heavy as the day before.
    What I really struggled with was that because of the physical nature of the instrument, it takes a long time for metal drummers to get to a point where we can somewhat jam along to pretty much any of our favorite tracks. Everyone knows slowing things down to a crawl is the key, but a 200bpm riff just doesn't feel inspiring at a 100bpm. I don't remember struggling with that nearly as much while learning to play guitar. Those moments where something starts working all of a sudden though... those are worth living for.
    Takes some determination to stay inspired through all of that, so great job for sticking with your plans! Keep going and it may become your new favorite instrument \m/

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bro exactly, i felt all that. Drumming for me felt way less intuitive than guitar for sure

  • @endingsoon
    @endingsoon 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Really impressed with the video, didn't realise you were such a small youtuber! Also, as a drummer I'm impressed that you started with some pretty complex songs XD

  • @jade_bee.2579
    @jade_bee.2579 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    As a drummer of 5 or so years I can say it took me months to get where you are. I’m astonished, good job. Not too long from now you’ll be playing gigs with the rest of us!.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jade_bee.2579 Ayy thanks bro! I appreciate that

    • @jade_bee.2579
      @jade_bee.2579 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @scorchthesun yeah hell yeah!. You gone acoustic yet? It's worth the switch. Over the past three or so years I spent all my savings on a massive kit and it's the most fun thing in the world

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @jade_bee.2579 I would love to but i live in an apartment, so that'll have to wait lol

    • @jade_bee.2579
      @jade_bee.2579 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@scorchthesun damn, well good luck to you bro!.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @jade_bee.2579 Thanks!! Appreciate you

  • @AirwavesEnglish
    @AirwavesEnglish 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Keep this up bro, you're doing really well! It gets easier, I promise (kind of, lol).
    The idea is to get the basic pattern going (almost on autopilot, and in time) without using too much mental-capacity(RAM) in order to add in your own flavors on top of it.
    Getting these basic patterns down tight without really needing to focus on them will make the whole experience more enjoyable.
    While it's good to try to learn new songs that you like, this can also be an extremely difficult way to learn because those songs are played by the original artists who have their own "flavors", some of which may be beyond your current skill-level. The absolute last thing you need is to lose motivation because you're trying to accomplish something you're not quite ready for yet.
    Learning some basic rudiments and sitting for hours just looping a "doubles" or a "paradiddle" or "triplet" pattern can really help to ingrain the "feeling" into your muscles and will allow you to recall and play them almost without having to think about them. It is these small wins that help to motivate and give a sense of accomplishment.
    There are tons of "looped" drum videos online and it's helpful to choose one and just play along for hours until you *KNOW* you know how to do it.
    Anyway, well done bro, don't give up! I think you did very well for only 1 month.🥁🏆

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AirwavesEnglish Woah that's a lot of great advice, thanks a lot! I still have a long way to go

  • @allanargent1366
    @allanargent1366 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    torture- yes but everyone band wants you. you are important and needed. as a drummer of 9 years it feels nice

  • @TheTrumpetMaster1to
    @TheTrumpetMaster1to 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    5:11 emotional damage

  • @ThomasArensberg
    @ThomasArensberg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Whoa. Really well done editing and overall movement throughout the video. I didn’t think u were a small beginner TH-camr until I opened the comment section. Keep up the good work and don’t give up on the drums!

  • @DiscordBro-ys4ju
    @DiscordBro-ys4ju 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Im a drummer, been playing my whole life. Im in 3 bands, and play in church. This is very cool to watch! Keep going!

  • @L1AML0V3SDRUMS
    @L1AML0V3SDRUMS 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Dude honestly you learned more in 30 days than I did in 10 years, great job!

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@L1AML0V3SDRUMS I highly doubt that haha, but thanks!

    • @alchgaming7585
      @alchgaming7585 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      same but 7-8

  • @andychavarria3331
    @andychavarria3331 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is my first video I watch from your channel and I love it your really funny you have a new subscriber

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@andychavarria3331 Hell yeah thanks bro!!

  • @gray-rr9ds
    @gray-rr9ds 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Amazing vid man i loved seeing you progress and your humor is killing me. Drum beats online acadamy is what i use to learn drums. Have been using it for about 5 years now highly reccomend.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gray-rr9ds Awesome man thanks for the support!

  • @RokoSDK
    @RokoSDK 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Really good video✨
    Pretty inspiring too

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey thanks a lot! I was hoping to inspire someone with this video, so this means a lot haha

  • @Lumerdrums
    @Lumerdrums 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    very nice video. I could tell right away that you had some serious musical skill on guitar/bass before starting with drums. none of my students would learn that quick, if he hasn't played an instrument before or had any musical education. You understood the fundamentals very quickly. Also your drum library that is connected to your module sounds sick. Respect :)

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Lumerdrums Thanks bro! Also, it's the PV Matt Halpern library from get good drums

    • @Lumerdrums
      @Lumerdrums 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@scorchthesun funny, I have the same ggd library but didn't recognize it :D great plugin

  • @YoutubeRandoms
    @YoutubeRandoms 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Brilliant video! Really well made and cleanly edited, especially for a smaller channel. I’ve been playing for just over 7 years now and from loads of people I’ve seen try to pick up drums this quickly, even if they were already musicians didn’t have progress nearly as fast as yours, you did great! I think the reason for all of your stick breaks is that your grip on your left hand is way too tight so the wood has no room to vibrate from the impact of hitting the drum, causing weakness just above your hand, which probably led to the last break. Also, those sticks look like they’re made of plywood which probably didn’t help, the new sticks you bought at the end look to be a hardwood which is much better for shock absorption. Again, absolutely amazing video and great progress!

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @TH-camRandoms Thanks! And yeah my grip kinda sucked, specially at the beginning. The sticks i bought towards the end are made of hickory (I don't know how good that actually is, but i think it's supposed to be good right?)

    • @YoutubeRandoms
      @YoutubeRandoms 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ absolutely! Hickory is best density wise, hard enough not to break too often and not so hard that you get carpal tunnel after a week of playing. Oak is also good but it’s slightly more dense so they last longer but don’t absorb as much of the shock, so only get them if your sticks keep breaking. Great video though, and a lot more realistic progress than some other 30 day challenges where people clearly either skip key learning moments or we’re playing long before.
      Keep up the great content!

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @TH-camRandoms That's great to know! So far i haven't broken any more sticks so i think i'm fine lmao. Also thanks for the support! Appreciate you

  • @youokboi8556
    @youokboi8556 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is making me wanna learn the drums now , I can relate to the immediate skipping to harder songs because when I started playing guitar I immediately tried to learn Polyphia songs lmao

  • @Klibasto
    @Klibasto 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    keep it up man. fantastic job for 30 days

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks bro! Appreciate it

  • @isaiahmcnabb5250
    @isaiahmcnabb5250 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Just came across this channel, dude you’re funny asf 😂 earned a sub

  • @eluviano
    @eluviano 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    breaking sticks on a electronic drumset is fucking insane, I've been playing on one for years and haven't broken a single one

  • @schoolgamer9592
    @schoolgamer9592 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Just Subscribed. Love Your Band

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@schoolgamer9592 Heyy thanks for the support bro!

  • @alaaentabi7879
    @alaaentabi7879 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I started playing like a month and a half ago almost as much as you ,great start! i think we;'re having similar progress
    but i think u are rushing the double bass a bit, get ur kicks clean at first . also start learning some easier songs , cuz the feeling of getting one flawless song is unmatched (i did some dream pop songs, gary moore etc), and you cant really do that with medium songs on ur first months (hell even cover bands would mess this up),

  • @cameronburdette8565
    @cameronburdette8565 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I am a drummer and I skip a lot of YT vids but this was good, actually watched the thing. Hope the algorithm grabs ya bro EDIT: helps that we like a lot of the same shituff

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cameronburdette8565 Hey bro thanks a lot! That's actually awesome

  • @langadubazana
    @langadubazana 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They say ‘double bass for beginners’ because typically you play single pedal for a while before you start double bass so a certain level of limb independence and control is expected already. It’s like starting guitar on hard mode by learning on an 8 string instead of a 6 string.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@langadubazana Ah that makes sense. Thanks for that!

  • @ImFrantic
    @ImFrantic 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    For everybody who wants to start playing the drums now: Great choice! You've decided to be cool. Don't be a guitarist, you are better than that and you know it!
    With that out of the way lemme tell ya, experimenting with double bass is fun BUT get a solid single bass foundation before you really try. You will most likely suck at double bass and this might kill your mental and your motivation. Other than that, have fun at being an awesome human 👍

  • @luccahunger
    @luccahunger 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Me convenceu que era gringo até o “não acredito” kkkkkk Mandou muito mano

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@luccahunger Kkkkkkkk valeu mano tmj

  • @Aron-j8v
    @Aron-j8v 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Dude, you're actually really fucking good for a beginner

  • @Bodendrums
    @Bodendrums 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Now people can see what playing drums is like. 😂😂😂

  • @Swind3ls
    @Swind3ls 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Good video bro!

  • @Korn-09-l2u
    @Korn-09-l2u 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I subbed because you are great

  • @Krebn404.
    @Krebn404. 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    o "não acredito" me pegou desprevenido

  • @Zeus-zv9op
    @Zeus-zv9op 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    how do you even break all those drum sticks in such a short time

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Zeus-zv9op I would also like to know that

    • @sadsore
      @sadsore 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@scorchthesun sticks usually get cut from playing on cymbals and rims, but if you're playing on hard rubber consistently while occasionally missing and hitting plastic/metal, that'll do it too. Usually beginners play with waaay more velocity than they need to, which can exacerbate those little chips you see on the sticks into snapping. A pair of good sticks on any ol' practice pad will generally last many months.

  • @Ninenails.
    @Ninenails. 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Bro making a beginner drum video but using a dream theatre song is wild😂😂😂

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Ninenails. I know right? There were two videos like that!

  • @GoGreen44
    @GoGreen44 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm getting Vinnie Barbarino vibes 😁 . Seriously good if you are really a beginner, I've been at it for 10 years and your better than me

  • @lafe.9509
    @lafe.9509 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well done man 💪🏼 from my own experience... dont skip on Rudiments yall learn that shit too. I know its annoying, ive been there. But its IMPORTANT

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lafe.9509 Yeah i have a LOT to learn still, a lot of basic stuff that i skipped out on in this challenge because i just wanted to focus on songs, but thanks for the tip!

  • @OleSchlumpf
    @OleSchlumpf 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    greatm video bro, keep on doing this shit!!

  • @neroagin5187
    @neroagin5187 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    for a months work that is pretty decent progress. The problem is is that you tried to learn to many techniques in that short timeframe. Things like double base and ghost notes arent something id recommend for someone who is a beginner, but more someone who is intermediate. Also playing Metallica songs as a beginner might not be the best idea since lars ulrich (the drummer of metallica) is know for not keeping to the rythem and kinda doing his own thing. That shouldnt discourage you tho, you still made progress and that shows, which is why id say maybe try to play the songs in a simpler way and also a habit that id recommend you get used to is not to rest you left hand on your thigh when you arent playing, since that can cause i number of issues. Other than that there isnt really much i could add at the first glance. So keep pushing, dont get discouraged, it'll come with time, as a drummer that is now learning guitar i can understand the struggle very much. And again, have fun on your journey

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @neroagin5187 Thanks bro! Yeah i still have a lot to learn, and good luck on guitar! It also gets easier with time

  • @stepidedot1210
    @stepidedot1210 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i have been playing for 7 maybe 8 years and i have never seen a stick break like that bro 17:10

  • @narcolepticinsomniacs
    @narcolepticinsomniacs 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    300th sub babyyyyy

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@narcolepticinsomniacs LET'S GOOOO

  • @isaacbrecht4015
    @isaacbrecht4015 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If you hold the stick with all of your fingers, use more and and less wrist on the cymbals, you’ll drop the sticks a lot less and your playing will be cleaner. Other then that, your doing VERY good for a beginner

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@isaacbrecht4015 Yes! I heard that from someone during this and tried to apply that towards the end, so you'll see i actually stopped dropping the sticks so much as the challenge advanced, so this is great advice!

  • @charlietrick9840
    @charlietrick9840 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I been playing drums for 7 years and i had the same problem

  • @feeterican
    @feeterican 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This will piss you off as much as it did my friend. My friend was learning how to play the drums. He had to go upstairs to go to the bathroom and I asked if I could try. I sat down and was just able to play them. A hole 10 seconds to figure out the basic beat in my head and then just do it on the drums. I continued to play them ever since. Then I learned how to play guitar while playing the drums in a band. I just watched what the guitarist did, and I was able to do it. I have 10 songs under my belt that I have wrote and recorded writing the guitar and the drum parts.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@feeterican You're a beast if that's true, dude. From my experience, i found drums to be a lot less intuitive than guitar

  • @LucasCoolDude
    @LucasCoolDude 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    eu sabia pelo seu sotaque que voce era Brasileiro

    • @LucasCoolDude
      @LucasCoolDude 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      or spoke Portuguese at least

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LucasCoolDude Me desvendaram

  • @lobbyrobby
    @lobbyrobby 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've been learning for about a 6 months now. Dude I am way better than you........At dropping my sticks lol. For reals, tho this is incredible how well you did after 30 days. Considering I couldn't even play a simple drum beat 1 year ago I'm 1,000 times better now but nothing like your are. This video might make me quit!! 😂😂

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lobbyrobby LMAO don't quit!

  • @Savethepandabears
    @Savethepandabears 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I appreciate you trying to learn it's very cool it's much harder to learn when no offense but you're trying to learn on a toy😂 not thinking against electric drums there's some really good ones out there but it's best to learn on something a little more professional it'll make things easier in the long run go buy a throne I've also never seen someone break so many sticks

  • @KingArttu
    @KingArttu 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How did you break those sticks on an ekit 😂when i play acoustic the tip basically wears off slowly (gone, reduced to atoms) before the whole stick snaps in half. Good progress for 30 days tho! Video itself was good too

    • @KingArttu
      @KingArttu 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      subbed

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @KingArttu idk bro, i think those were just like, the cheapest drum sticks possible, they came with the ekit

  • @robotboy1269
    @robotboy1269 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I play the drúms for 10 years now and wtf are you crazy? why do you learn AX7, Trivium and Architects? those bands have some of the best drummers and Metallica isnt a greart beginner band too, because lars parts are off sometimes. but still very impressive that you managed to play those and i hope you keep going

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @robotboy1269 Lmao i know, they have some crazy drum parts sometimes, i tried to pick the easiest sounding songs and play them in the most simple way i could (there were always at least one hard part that I couldn't get). But i didn't think metallica would be so hard, what would you recommend for me to play instead?
      Edit: Also, the A7X song was actually recommended in a beginner drum vid i watched, so that's why i played that one first

  • @Medievalfan94
    @Medievalfan94 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    regarding your struggles with Metallica: Do you know the saying 'Professionals are predictable, it is the Amateurs that are dangerous'? Yeah, Lars Ulrich just messed around on the drums, thats why there are so many unpredictable patterns which make it really hard to cover note by note.

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Medievalfan94 lmao yeah that makes sense

  • @Insanity_on_wheels
    @Insanity_on_wheels 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What set you play on?

  • @DRCDAAN
    @DRCDAAN 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    what drum kit do you have?

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DRCDAAN It's a Michael DDM-120 kit, from Brazil

  • @lucaszukko
    @lucaszukko 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    bro I have a question, why you look so brazilian? a greeting from the south of Brazil

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lucaszukko It's because i am, bro. Salve kkkkk sou do rio

  • @Mohvin2
    @Mohvin2 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    if you want something abit ez. Try playing infant annihilator songs

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mohvin2 oh yeah of course, why didn't i think of that? 🥴

    • @Mohvin2
      @Mohvin2 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But don't play soil the stillborn 😂

    • @Mohvin2
      @Mohvin2 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You yeah here's some tip.
      1. If you want to play fast double bass try heel toe
      2 if you want to play the snare try by doing some double strokes and keep on practicing
      3 if you want to play blast beat I recommend to watch 66samus video. Or follow my instructions.
      First play snare and then hit the ride and the kick at the same time
      And keep on doing that but a little faster

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mohvin2 Great! Thanks for those tips, but it'll probably be a while before i can play blast beats haha

  • @J4_m0rant
    @J4_m0rant 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sinto cheiro que ele e br

    • @scorchthesun
      @scorchthesun  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@J4_m0rant 🤫

    • @J4_m0rant
      @J4_m0rant 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @scorchthesun hehehehehhe

  • @ScOpeZyy
    @ScOpeZyy 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I will say don’t try to learn from songs practice with a metronome in ur ears it’s a lot easier then try to learn songs

  • @jirikyncl102
    @jirikyncl102 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imagine you really can't play the drums

  • @tuxwits-ek4gi
    @tuxwits-ek4gi 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    play like zach hill

  • @fortnitepro6283
    @fortnitepro6283 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ur trying learn it tok fast u gotta learn slow

  • @Tac-0
    @Tac-0 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    honestly, youre trying to run before you can walk.. why you trying to learn chop suey when you dont know or can hold a basic beat?
    go play metallica songs, lars have failed drums for 40 years lol, i bet you can do better than him.
    learn to play a basic beat first, i know its more fun to play the "good songs" but thats not how you really learn drums. And ive taught a few after 20+ years behind drums.
    Drumeo is also EXCELLENT at teaching drums if youre serious about this.