I really enjoy how Chase didn't get dressed up. He's a logger making a logging truck so he showed up in work boots, jeans and a flannel. It added a nice touch to the panel.
He is one of those getting more rare everyday things called a "Working Manager"! Makes the big decisions while getting the hands dirty. Those guys were the best bosses that I ever had! And they were the bosses who you could truly talk with about the business, because they knew all aspects of the business. We really need more of these guys today. But the big CEO, COO, and other fancy pants managers are scared of these people because they know these guys know more about the business than anyone else does.
Diesel-electric has been around for quite a while (rail, mining, ultra heavy equipment). The elegance of Edison's approach eliminated grid dependency, massively improving fuel efficiency and enough horsepower with torque to make ya grin when ya hammer down. The retrofit approach just makes sense allowing you to extend the life of your investment. Well Done Team Edison 👏
I like how Chace brought uo planned Obsolescence and the pannle Coordinator immediately tried to shut that conversation down. He knows electric vehicles are more difficult for owners to work on and they can make a fortune forcing owners to bring their vehicles into company owned shops and charging them lots of money for repairs
Those challenges aren't unique to EVs, they're a part of modern vehicles of all sorts. Proprietary parts with a single source, locked down software, engineering and assembling tweaked to cut as many corners as possible. Edison is proof it isn't an EV problem, because they're building one that doesn't work that way. It's a modern business issue that spans many industries.
@EdisonMotors You've got nothing to be(that) nervous about. The other panel members may have had book smarts (and not saying you don't, you brought the receipts and you've done your homework!!), but you've got the HANDS ON (or is that arms under??)😅. Dya think any of those other 3 on the stage turned a wrench? Or had anxiety out the ass at 3am when stuff got double/triple brokered? And, as with the planned obselsence thread -- do any of the others up on stage HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME? Nope. Stand tall,, be proud. You got this, and you're fking kms (miles?) ahead of these folks. Not taking anything away from them, you're just head and shoulders above them.
Chase taking about planned obsolescence is like riding a logging truck with failing breaks going down the mountain. Strap in boys because it’s going to be a hell of a ride.
Love the planned obsolescence comment! Though it’s not only the manufacturer it’s the company’s that use the trucks. If your an owner operator some companies won’t hire an older truck. I run a 92 kw W900L doing heavy haul and the company I hire on with is starting to see my old truck is down less than their brand new trucks. Just due to the simplicity of it.
Excellent panel and love the enthusiasm that Chace brought to it. I knew right away when the one question about battery recycling came up that the problem of planned obsolescence was going to come up. Way to go Chace and everyone else at Edison.
I would love to see a 1 ton pickup truck with the Edison Motors concept. V4 or V6 diesel running at 75% throttle would last forever and would eliminate the dreaded regen cycle just as your pulling into your destination. Plus a job site generator everywhere you go. Or a campsite generator for RV use. Load your RV up with solar panels and use your truck as a giant power wall.
I don't think you'll need even that large of a motor. Think more like a 3 cylinder 35hp Kubota turbodiesel attached to a 15kw generator. Roughly 750cc-1000cc displacement. That would make for one hell of a fast charger for a light truck application. I would venture a guess we would be looking at 100mpg+for each gallon of diesel burned. Still function as an EV, still charge overnight at home from house power, and be able to function as a backup generator and battery set for home use in emergencies. Hell, you could even use a network of these to eliminate need for peaker plant use in usage spikes on the grid. I can't wait for Edison-equipped vehicles to make it into the Emergency Services world. This tech would make for an incredible ambulance and fire truck platform. All of the stop and go driving we do is really hard on diesels. No time to properly warm up, sorry run times at maximum output, and the need for a separate generator when we get to a scene. School buses would also be an ideal application for Edison drives. Tons of stop and go driving with very low mpg because of it. Tons of idle time in parking lots as well.
It's the only viable way for people in my regional area to make it viable current electric vehicles just don't work for what we need. I need the ability to tow 3/4 ton carry 3/400kg of load plus 4ish people Then travel 1000+ km during the day I also need good bar work to protect the occupants from animal strikes especially since we often don't see another vehicle for an hour or 2
Love your truck and your right to repair mindset. Quick detachable hinges on the doors like on a Jeep, quick release windshields like on a Humvee, and emergency exit on the ceiling would be pretty cool too. Keep up the awesome work.
It's so impressive how Chase uses social media to make a presence and get into an influential position. You guys are on the right track This hybrid diesel/electric is the first EV that makes sense in the real world. Way better than mechanical hybrids.
Chace was up there bringing real passion to everything he was talking about. This is my new favorite company and new favorite CEO. I’m hoping like hell you guys really hit it big with these trucks.
It's nice that you got a brief chance to bring up the scourge of planned obsolescence. Too bad you didn't have more time to expand on everything you're planning as far as using the most durable components with the longest possible service life. Chase you definitely seemed noticeably more passionate than the other panelists. Congratulations. I'm so looking forward to seeing your vision come to fruition. You're going to make the world a better place through leading by example, and setting new trends.
Chace should perhaps get into talks with the bus guy and maybe do a diesel electric chassis for one of their older busses to compare the diesel used between an ICE vs diesel electric
That Taiwanese bus company has the right idea. I've been saying for years, the all-or-nothing mentality doesn't apply to electric. EV's dont have enough range for our application so we cant electrify? Hybridize. EVs dont charge fast enough? use short range, fast charge chemistry. Hydrogen infrastructure is a terrible plan for passenger vehicles, but for construction tractors it makes sense. Theres not one silver bullet technology that will solve all ICE related emissions
@@SwordFighterPKN you may want to review the Volts drivetrain…there’s still a mechanical link between the gas engine and drive line. Granted that mechanical link is only used in very specific high speed situations the link is still there making it a hybrid drive line, unlike the Edison diesel electric design which is a pure electric driveline with an on board charger/range extender.
@@fflowwiththego - actually in the 2011-2015 Chevy volt there was no mechanical link. The 2011-2015 is considered a hybrid and works like the Edison. The 2011-2015 Volt has one motor that powers the wheels, and a second that acts as an engine-driven generator to produce electricity when battery capacity is depleted. This is a STUPID argument BTW.
@@SwordFighterPKN even in the 2011-2015 models while it can’t propel itself fully from the gas engine there is still a mechanical link, there’s a video of a Gm presentation from 2010 explaining the drivetrain, around the 25min mark she talks about the output where the gas engine drives the generator for electric output (which is decoupled from ring gear) but the engine engages the ring gear as well to provide mechanical drive to supplement the electric drive. It’s actually quite clever for it’s time. Still a true hybrid because of the mechanical link to the engine.
The transit system is government subsidized. When I was building para transit buses the industry standard was that they were 4 year throw away. Talk about planned obsolescence, that is it right there. The fiberglass bodies would come apart to the point of being junk and if they were in a crash just throw it away. We built all steel bodies that weighed less than fiberglass and had 4x the government mandated roll protection. They also lasted a long time because we used galvaneal steel skin and then also painted inside and out for protection. Chase threw Tesla under the bus because they couldn't deliver. He built his own truck the same way Freightliner started because of not being able to get what he wanted in a truck. I'm also glad to see these garbage products that are over complicated and poorly built get blasted for their wastefulness. I hope Edison Motors stays private and is not beholden to greedy shareholders instead of a better product. Good job showing up the pipedream nerds by building a working truck in such a short time.
Have you looked into large capacitors for initial acceleration? Use the battery pack for steady state running. The gen unit on board could recharge the capacitor pack very quickly. I believe Nova Bus is using that setup for their all electric Bus for Montreal.
Great job! Can't wait to see Topsy doing work. You guys seem to understand that the one size fits all approach is really just stuffing a 36 waist into a pair of 32 pants with some stretchy stuff holding it all together. Sure it works but barely. It's akward, ugly, and who knows how long it's gonna hold together.
The elephant in the room (other than Topsy) is that nobody's talking about the power generation reqired to charge all these vehicles... megawatt is just a word until you have to generate hundreds of thousands of them...
Chase needs a business suit, he is a business man now! Have some custom made, from denim and plad flannel, it would be awesome, have the Edison logo on the collar.
I thought he was in professional business attire. His profession requires durable comfortable work clothes. Tell managers that I am an engineer and paid for what I know and what I think so I am professional from the neck up. If I was professional from the neck down I would be in a different profession.
@@EdisonMotorsHow about a denim tux with a matching flannel shirt for those formal affairs? Accessorized with polished lace up work boots, wire harness suspenders, and a bow tie that looks like lightning bolts? Snazzy!!!!
Yes I Rock winter tactical shirts that look like the lumber jack ones he has on. He is hitting the metal exactly when it's hot and exactly where it's needed. Yes Chase you go getem. The academics are flexing but Chase got'em 👍🏽. Diesel hybrid is the bridge between electric and full engine drive trains.
They are saying electric but the range and charging time are just horrible. Chase bridges it by putting the grid on the truck itself. Between Regen breaking and a charger running almost quarter time the car can go up on it's own and come down with quarter charge just charging up down hill. Th solar refer is another win.
The talk about the biohazard mode made me think, when it comes to the production version, you should do the same thing and have a filtered, pressurized cab, but go one step more and oversize the a/c by 20% so all of your trucks are wildfire ready
First two guys, surface knowledge, I thought ok that’s interesting. Chase talks, I’m learning with every word. The industry has chased the corporate way, leaving the customer in the dust. As an owner operator, Im amazed how many people don’t factor in the need for vocational trucks. Everyone thinks Interstate trucking and never mentions the need of small vocational haulers. Chase is that real world experience that will be seen as a huge threat to the big boys.
I love the energy chace has everyone else looks like who you would expect to see doing electric, he has that real every day guy feel to him. I cant wait till I can invest in this company I've never seen a company or product that made me want to have any part of it.
That guy saying “I was getting a headache just sitting in traffic from the fumes!” I about busted a gut. You know dang well you didn’t. Loved the show otherwise and good job guys!
Contrary to what the Victoria EVA guy said reefers aren’t unregulated. At least not in the US. They’re up to at least Tier 4 Final and CARB compliant. However they are still dirty and the solar 53’ Reefer is a great idea. Also you should look at 40’ Reefer shipping container. But they have to meet ISO spec. Keep the solar at least 1’ away from the corners and keep it clear of the middle of the roof by 1.5’. Keep the sides clear because OTR truckers are shitty at backing up LOL. Also for a shipping container I’d make sure that individual panels can be unplugged or electronically disabled if damaged.
Unless you were keeping the entire system DC, the way to go would be microinverters on each panel. That way the whole system stays up if one panel is damaged or shaded.
I work in the construction of industrial facilities to include their loading docks and these have been looked into but the current road block is the power demand that these require. They require a significant upgrade to the plant’s already expensive transformers and their utility lines. So this will likely happen some day soon, but the plants just aren’t ready to spend the money for those upgrades yet Edit: there also isn’t the demand for this yet but if we get more electric/ hybrid trucks at the docks, this will likely change sooner
Our Laser Guided Forklift (automatic forklifts) had parking spots with charging pads on the floor so when they are parked waiting on loads they can charge. It cool even if I think they are going to run me over but the human lift drivers do have body counts unlike the LGV Forklifts.
Chase you were exactly what the world needs an honest person that’s not brainwashed by going to these Ivy League schools and being part of that club of the rich people out there exposing the world keep it up
Probably because battery electric busses are kind of a scam 😅 If you're running a fixed rout again and again constantly, hang some trolley lines... and don't haul around enough batteries to burn a hole through the moon
@@161metalworks You stated that he looked uncomfortable. I stated what I saw as a likely cause, though being the only person on stage wearing a suit probably didn't help. You're response to mine supports my point, so Thank You.
Uhuh- Ricky gets the concept of flexible power delivery.. An LiTO "peak power" module - piggybacking on to an LFP storage battery can give the best of many worlds - ridiculous power output for a short time - with rapid recovery (for the LTO recharging from the LFP storage cells) while delivering the "mean power" from the LFP... (Numpties insisting on one solution for all are the Luddites of the E-age. - not those holding onto their still functional and economical ICE powered rigs (as economics changes so will attitudes - as we see which experiments truly work).. - there are optimal use curves for all available power solutions out there. - one huge emerging problem is that a large freight terminal will use more power (instantaneous) to recharge its fleet - 24/7 than the state grids are able to supply, the ability to transport bulk energy in liquid form should not be underappreciated. Ha ha - electrified trolley buses are the norm - still, in many places in europe - light rail for modern western cities are just replacing the trams/trolleys taken out in the 70's. The bus dude saying no heatpumps are available for automotive - not truely so, they are out there already for several applications, AND a reversing valve can be added to any aitconditioning system design to make it reversible - heating as well as cooling - with a COP >4
21:00 Why can't a bus operator have resistive heated seats for all passengers and run a cooler air temperature? They need to heat the people, not the air.
Why is it that when people start talking since they get shut down OH it must be because of money 😂 keep going Chace you have a following of people that believe in what you and your team are doing and not all of us are truckers just people that believe in you and your guys product and the fact that guys with a great idea can come up with and build a great product, keep up the the great work
I love it when bus companies make claims for electric buses like trolley buses some which had short range batteries never existed and many cities have mature electric trolley bus and tram systems and the number of incidents of battery electric buses erupting in flames from battery fires doesn’t seem to raise any concern for passenger safety,battery chemistry and thermal runaway is going to be a major issue with the obsession for fast charging.
Basically its not about the environment..... it's how can we save more money.... That is what will make it commercially viable, and make people want to do it, If you want to save energy and environment, stop putting stop signs 10 stop signs in a row, some places are getting ridiculous...
I think the core in the commercial EV market is that we spend almost 100 years tailoring industries to the abilities of the internal combustion engine. We've built so many things to mechanically harness its energy and work around its limitations. And the mechanical parts have always been the highest risk components in any of these machines, because moving parts no matter how well they are built, will always be struggling with the balance of friction and material stresses. Electric drive systems don't solve all of these problems, they just remove some of the limitations, remove a lot of mechanical complexity, and add so many more options. Are we going to find a one-size-fits-all replacement for the internal combustion engine? No. The industries using them were built around that technology, its not going to be a perfect replacement. However if you go back to the original requirements you will find that the EV route provides such a greater freedom from the design status quo, that you won't want to do drop in one-size-fits-all designs anyway.
It would be cool if the reefertrailer had a means of cooling the truck as well, along with the truck charging the battery of the trailer while running, a diesel engine and compressor in the reefer unit is heavy, alot if battery can take its place, a DC reefer with solar, and a charger from the truck, 600vdc can come from solar andthe truck, a 10-20 amp charge at 600v is alot of power! A 50-100ah, 600v-720v battery could possibly last a day.
A large wireless charger for busses could be possible, just havd a large 4'x4' or larger iron plate in the ground where they as half a transformer, have the other half in the bus , use a 4'x4' or 3'x3', 3'x4', whatever have a pnunatic systems to lower the plates together, a signal powers it on and it works lije a mormal transformer, 10 minutes or so of charging with 90% efficient automatically, being the metal to metal contact, trucks can also eith the charger in docks, this would be especially good for yard trucks, sit for 3-5 minutes getting a charge every 20 minutes, have the plate come down with the patking brake!
I drive a yard truck. I'm in and out of a dock in 90 seconds and under a different trailer every 7-10 minutes. For 11 hours with unpredictable breaks. The Edison setup might work good but pure electric has tried and didn't pass muster.
Next year, TURvy! Like Topsy but 3 drive axles and get this..... A surplus Honeywell AGT1500 multi fuel turbine spinning that generator head. Or a little RR500 if 3 or 4 hundred HP is enough to drive (supply motor) with surplus for charge, or however you do your wizard stuff(math).
The bus guy is talking about heating for a bus and just hoping the technology eventually comes, but what about what Chase did by using coolant for batteries to be used also for the Cab Heater? I bet Chase was holding back....so as not to give the guy an innovative idea Edison Motors already thought of. Again, the 'suits' in clean clothes don't have a practical idea of how to build something to last. They sure do know how to put government proposals together for tax payer dollars though.
Roughly speaking let's say the engine is 40% smaller so it consumes 40% less fuel. And it runs let's say 75 % of the time so your engine consumes 75% out of the 60% of what it used to. That's 45% of the original fuel burned direct diesel drive. Let's say we Regen break back 30% of that 45% going down hill we are left with 30%. You are roughly going to be using 70% less fuel burned & have 70% of your emissions reduced. Since it's the trend is to cry bloody murder about those emissions, Edison Motors hybrid actually out performs the current electric vehicles by the emissions reduction against the highly wasteful power grid that feeds those so called electric vehicles. As for direct diesel drive the emession reduction compared to that is even more.
i mean i know hydro is pretty damaging from an enviromental point of view but its also highly efficient after its going and extremely clean , not sure id say highly wasteful power grid there
You can improve efficiency and lower emissions even further by generating hydrogen and oxygen on demand using electrolysis to run into the diesel generator. This would lower the amount of diesel burned and burn it much cleaner due to the higher burn temp of the hydrogen. Added benefit, it cleans out any carbon deposits in the motor when it's running.
@@ilenastarbreeze4978 Not everyone has a huge river to use for power. Most burn gas to power their grid. Later on by doubling that battery bank you can actually reduce diesel use by a long run. Regen and the grid could get up to 80% of provided power while the diesel would just be there to get that truck back home from a remote location when it runs out of power.
@@jacobhall8092 Dunno if a truck portable electrolysis unit could be feasible. But yeah it's a great idea. You gotta understand that this truck will go to perform extreme duty at remote locations. It's gonna have to be kept simple and quite rugged. Having electric drive and a diesel generator has added enough complexity as is. Maybe a hybrid capacitor/battery storage unit could solve this. The more charge capacity you have the more Regen and grid recharging will be there and eventually way more reduced generator use. Th truck is q modular upgradable plug in hybrid. That's a ton of flexibility in its favor. The grid is not present where the diesels do the hard work. Charging time is downtime as well.
These guys on the stage.....other than Chase are a JOKE IMO. How does their food get delivered? How everything they buy in a store get delivered? Not electric cars. Calling diesels 'nasty' is just ignorant and 'feelings' based.... There are clean running diesels. A Nissan leaf gets maybe 100 miles for a charge. It's way too costly a product for the output you get. It's an 'And' car only as any extended trips would need to be in a different vehicle. Chase clearly was the only person who knew exactly what he was talking about IMO. Bus routes can change over time...do you have to reconfigure each bus then? Seems very limited in flexibility to me and not very thought out. 14 years use and then toss it out? Blah. Go Chase, Go Edison Motors. Common Sense innovation is the BEST type of innovation.
the bus guy in the middle. talking about charging buses at bus stops. does he know something better was used for decades 100 years ago? i mean. do you even need bateries? just make a rubber wheeled tram.
Lithium Ion thermal runaway fires terrify me. I don't want to be in a vehicle that spontaneously combusts! I'm disabled! How am I going to escape fast enough to not get burned to death?!
Nice job,,, no OUTSTANDING JOB!!! You made those so-called 'industry experts' look like FOOLS.. Wind bags is all they are. You saw a need, and instead of creating a youtube channel and talked about it.. No,, you went out and built the damn thing. Then turned around and built a working prototype with the intent that u can quickly switch to saleable production. You and your team have made fools of Tesla and Nikola. They talk and show boat. You, on the other hand, developed a concept and built it all in one year.. Careful, they are going to be gunning for you. The only thing I'd like to have witnessed is you calling out the "All Electric" dude by asking him where is all the electricity going to come from to charge all these PURE Electric trucks.... That's YEARS away. You built an over the road train that doesn't have range anxiety or risk of being stranded on a freeway for days in a snowstorm.
After living your whole life around gas cars now you’re starting to get a headache from the fumes 😂😂😂 😂 people say anything to push their pointless point
@@wrifraff? what vehicles don’t have them. I could just be informed but I would imagine that most relatively recent vehicles have them. My family’s 2001 Camry has one.
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Chace gonna start a riot about planned obsolescence
Haha I was thinking the same thing!
Good, it would be about time.
Good, it’s about time
- Chace
@@EdisonMotors that was a LOT of emotion behind that bit, i you clearly had more you wanted to say but stopped yourself short
@@EdisonMotorsI've got an idea for you guys that might be helpful. Is there anyway I can contact you guys to share this idea?
I really enjoy how Chase didn't get dressed up. He's a logger making a logging truck so he showed up in work boots, jeans and a flannel. It added a nice touch to the panel.
The whole team "dressed up" as Chace in plad it was great😂
Hay a flannel is a button up shirt. It’s classy.
😂 Love it.
Good point, I didn't notice that.
He is one of those getting more rare everyday things called a "Working Manager"! Makes the big decisions while getting the hands dirty. Those guys were the best bosses that I ever had! And they were the bosses who you could truly talk with about the business, because they knew all aspects of the business. We really need more of these guys today. But the big CEO, COO, and other fancy pants managers are scared of these people because they know these guys know more about the business than anyone else does.
Diesel-electric has been around for quite a while (rail, mining, ultra heavy equipment). The elegance of Edison's approach eliminated grid dependency, massively improving fuel efficiency and enough horsepower with torque to make ya grin when ya hammer down.
The retrofit approach just makes sense allowing you to extend the life of your investment.
Well Done Team Edison 👏
I like how Chace brought uo planned Obsolescence and the pannle Coordinator immediately tried to shut that conversation down. He knows electric vehicles are more difficult for owners to work on and they can make a fortune forcing owners to bring their vehicles into company owned shops and charging them lots of money for repairs
Those challenges aren't unique to EVs, they're a part of modern vehicles of all sorts. Proprietary parts with a single source, locked down software, engineering and assembling tweaked to cut as many corners as possible.
Edison is proof it isn't an EV problem, because they're building one that doesn't work that way. It's a modern business issue that spans many industries.
Hot damn.. great take over for the panel. Didn't steal it from everyone, but damn. Being the only non theorist. Chase ran that show
Thanks, I was nervous about going on stage but I think it went well
@EdisonMotors You've got nothing to be(that) nervous about. The other panel members may have had book smarts (and not saying you don't, you brought the receipts and you've done your homework!!), but you've got the HANDS ON (or is that arms under??)😅.
Dya think any of those other 3 on the stage turned a wrench? Or had anxiety out the ass at 3am when stuff got double/triple brokered? And, as with the planned obselsence thread -- do any of the others up on stage HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME?
Nope.
Stand tall,, be proud. You got this, and you're fking kms (miles?) ahead of these folks. Not taking anything away from them, you're just head and shoulders above them.
Chase taking about planned obsolescence is like riding a logging truck with failing breaks going down the mountain. Strap in boys because it’s going to be a hell of a ride.
heh heh . . . He does tend to pick up momentum. 😊
Love the metaphor BTW.
Love the planned obsolescence comment! Though it’s not only the manufacturer it’s the company’s that use the trucks. If your an owner operator some companies won’t hire an older truck. I run a 92 kw W900L doing heavy haul and the company I hire on with is starting to see my old truck is down less than their brand new trucks. Just due to the simplicity of it.
Damn Chase, you nailed it, a working man explaining a working truck dressed in working garb, no BS this is me....perfect, awesome job.
Chace you rocked it! Nothing fancy! Work boots!
Chace
I love his blunt and no BS answers. No tiptoeing or marketing wank, just straight facts and opinions from personal experience
Thanks bud
@@wbball15 noted, fixed. Thank you!
Excellent panel and love the enthusiasm that Chace brought to it. I knew right away when the one question about battery recycling came up that the problem of planned obsolescence was going to come up.
Way to go Chace and everyone else at Edison.
It took us long enough, but the loggers are finally the best spoken people at the show! Great job Chance.
I would love to see a 1 ton pickup truck with the Edison Motors concept. V4 or V6 diesel running at 75% throttle would last forever and would eliminate the dreaded regen cycle just as your pulling into your destination. Plus a job site generator everywhere you go. Or a campsite generator for RV use. Load your RV up with solar panels and use your truck as a giant power wall.
I don't think you'll need even that large of a motor. Think more like a 3 cylinder 35hp Kubota turbodiesel attached to a 15kw generator. Roughly 750cc-1000cc displacement. That would make for one hell of a fast charger for a light truck application. I would venture a guess we would be looking at 100mpg+for each gallon of diesel burned. Still function as an EV, still charge overnight at home from house power, and be able to function as a backup generator and battery set for home use in emergencies. Hell, you could even use a network of these to eliminate need for peaker plant use in usage spikes on the grid.
I can't wait for Edison-equipped vehicles to make it into the Emergency Services world. This tech would make for an incredible ambulance and fire truck platform. All of the stop and go driving we do is really hard on diesels. No time to properly warm up, sorry run times at maximum output, and the need for a separate generator when we get to a scene. School buses would also be an ideal application for Edison drives. Tons of stop and go driving with very low mpg because of it. Tons of idle time in parking lots as well.
It's the only viable way for people in my regional area to make it viable current electric vehicles just don't work for what we need. I need the ability to tow 3/4 ton carry 3/400kg of load plus 4ish people
Then travel 1000+ km during the day
I also need good bar work to protect the occupants from animal strikes especially since we often don't see another vehicle for an hour or 2
Edison is taking reservations for that exact thing. Check their website.
spread your wings man, ..YOU are the LEADER, it might not feel like it, ..
but YOU are
No hate to the other panel members but damn, we need the kind of no-nonsense that Chace brings to an event like this
Love your truck and your right to repair mindset. Quick detachable hinges on the doors like on a Jeep, quick release windshields like on a Humvee, and emergency exit on the ceiling would be pretty cool too. Keep up the awesome work.
It's so impressive how Chase uses social media to make a presence and get into an influential position. You guys are on the right track
This hybrid diesel/electric is the first EV that makes sense in the real world. Way better than mechanical hybrids.
Chace was up there bringing real passion to everything he was talking about. This is my new favorite company and new favorite CEO. I’m hoping like hell you guys really hit it big with these trucks.
It's nice that you got a brief chance to bring up the scourge of planned obsolescence. Too bad you didn't have more time to expand on everything you're planning as far as using the most durable components with the longest possible service life. Chase you definitely seemed noticeably more passionate than the other panelists. Congratulations. I'm so looking forward to seeing your vision come to fruition. You're going to make the world a better place through leading by example, and setting new trends.
It was the only comment that got the crowd riled up. People are fed up.
Chase was spot on regarding planned obsolescence, we need to return to making durable goods not maximizing profits for the manufactures.
Chace should perhaps get into talks with the bus guy and maybe do a diesel electric chassis for one of their older busses to compare the diesel used between an ICE vs diesel electric
Could be one hell of a cross over with Bus Grease Monkey to install it too.
LOL Chase stole the forum! Facts and new ideas wins!
That Taiwanese bus company has the right idea. I've been saying for years, the all-or-nothing mentality doesn't apply to electric. EV's dont have enough range for our application so we cant electrify? Hybridize. EVs dont charge fast enough? use short range, fast charge chemistry. Hydrogen infrastructure is a terrible plan for passenger vehicles, but for construction tractors it makes sense. Theres not one silver bullet technology that will solve all ICE related emissions
Edison has the right idea with they hybrid. Outside of urban areas hybrids make more sense.
Not a hybrid, it’s a diesel-electric. No mechanical link between diesel generator and the driveline.
@@fflowwiththego the Edison system is like that of the Chevy volt that is considered a hybrid. But sure you can go all "actually...."
@@SwordFighterPKN you may want to review the Volts drivetrain…there’s still a mechanical link between the gas engine and drive line. Granted that mechanical link is only used in very specific high speed situations the link is still there making it a hybrid drive line, unlike the Edison diesel electric design which is a pure electric driveline with an on board charger/range extender.
@@fflowwiththego - actually in the 2011-2015 Chevy volt there was no mechanical link. The 2011-2015 is considered a hybrid and works like the Edison.
The 2011-2015 Volt has one motor that powers the wheels, and a second that acts as an engine-driven generator to produce electricity when battery capacity is depleted.
This is a STUPID argument BTW.
@@SwordFighterPKN even in the 2011-2015 models while it can’t propel itself fully from the gas engine there is still a mechanical link, there’s a video of a Gm presentation from 2010 explaining the drivetrain, around the 25min mark she talks about the output where the gas engine drives the generator for electric output (which is decoupled from ring gear) but the engine engages the ring gear as well to provide mechanical drive to supplement the electric drive. It’s actually quite clever for it’s time. Still a true hybrid because of the mechanical link to the engine.
Everyone has a plain color background then there’s chace with his with his diesel log truck
I’ve realized chase is what Stockton rush with ocean gate thought he was. Interesting what humility will do with bringing an idea to life
The transit system is government subsidized. When I was building para transit buses the industry standard was that they were 4 year throw away. Talk about planned obsolescence, that is it right there. The fiberglass bodies would come apart to the point of being junk and if they were in a crash just throw it away. We built all steel bodies that weighed less than fiberglass and had 4x the government mandated roll protection. They also lasted a long time because we used galvaneal steel skin and then also painted inside and out for protection.
Chase threw Tesla under the bus because they couldn't deliver. He built his own truck the same way Freightliner started because of not being able to get what he wanted in a truck.
I'm also glad to see these garbage products that are over complicated and poorly built get blasted for their wastefulness. I hope Edison Motors stays private and is not beholden to greedy shareholders instead of a better product. Good job showing up the pipedream nerds by building a working truck in such a short time.
Have you looked into large capacitors for initial acceleration? Use the battery pack for steady state running. The gen unit on board could recharge the capacitor pack very quickly. I believe Nova Bus is using that setup for their all electric Bus for Montreal.
Great to see Chase onstage with Ricky promoting the brand! Big fan of Two Bit da Vinci and Ricky's work in California!
I like how the screen shows the panelists: 3 staged portraits and 1 selfie in the Canadian boonies with a logger in the fore and back.
Great job! Can't wait to see Topsy doing work. You guys seem to understand that the one size fits all approach is really just stuffing a 36 waist into a pair of 32 pants with some stretchy stuff holding it all together. Sure it works but barely. It's akward, ugly, and who knows how long it's gonna hold together.
The elephant in the room (other than Topsy) is that nobody's talking about the power generation reqired to charge all these vehicles... megawatt is just a word until you have to generate hundreds of thousands of them...
Say that shit louder for those in the back!
If I I could I would totally invest in Edison motors
If you want to support, you should buy something from their website
Chase is just sitting there all blue collar like has those guys looking like they need to go back to school 😂😂😂
Chase needs a business suit, he is a business man now! Have some custom made, from denim and plad flannel, it would be awesome, have the Edison logo on the collar.
Cufflinks would have to be Topsey with the electric trucks! 👍
I thought he was in professional business attire. His profession requires durable comfortable work clothes. Tell managers that I am an engineer and paid for what I know and what I think so I am professional from the neck up. If I was professional from the neck down I would be in a different profession.
Absolutely not. I’m not wearing a suit, I’m building trucks.
- Chace
@@EdisonMotorsHow about a denim tux with a matching flannel shirt for those formal affairs? Accessorized with polished lace up work boots, wire harness suspenders, and a bow tie that looks like lightning bolts? Snazzy!!!!
@@ronfullerton3162 That sounds more like a stereotypical nerdy look lol
Yes I Rock winter tactical shirts that look like the lumber jack ones he has on. He is hitting the metal exactly when it's hot and exactly where it's needed. Yes Chase you go getem. The academics are flexing but Chase got'em 👍🏽. Diesel hybrid is the bridge between electric and full engine drive trains.
They are saying electric but the range and charging time are just horrible. Chase bridges it by putting the grid on the truck itself. Between Regen breaking and a charger running almost quarter time the car can go up on it's own and come down with quarter charge just charging up down hill. Th solar refer is another win.
Chace really stole the show here. Well done.
The talk about the biohazard mode made me think, when it comes to the production version, you should do the same thing and have a filtered, pressurized cab, but go one step more and oversize the a/c by 20% so all of your trucks are wildfire ready
First two guys, surface knowledge, I thought ok that’s interesting. Chase talks, I’m learning with every word. The industry has chased the corporate way, leaving the customer in the dust. As an owner operator, Im amazed how many people don’t factor in the need for vocational trucks. Everyone thinks Interstate trucking and never mentions the need of small vocational haulers. Chase is that real world experience that will be seen as a huge threat to the big boys.
I love the energy chace has everyone else looks like who you would expect to see doing electric, he has that real every day guy feel to him. I cant wait till I can invest in this company I've never seen a company or product that made me want to have any part of it.
That guy saying “I was getting a headache just sitting in traffic from the fumes!” I about busted a gut. You know dang well you didn’t. Loved the show otherwise and good job guys!
God i love this company. And Chase up there with Dad energy.
Contrary to what the Victoria EVA guy said reefers aren’t unregulated. At least not in the US. They’re up to at least Tier 4 Final and CARB compliant.
However they are still dirty and the solar 53’ Reefer is a great idea. Also you should look at 40’ Reefer shipping container. But they have to meet ISO spec. Keep the solar at least 1’ away from the corners and keep it clear of the middle of the roof by 1.5’. Keep the sides clear because OTR truckers are shitty at backing up LOL.
Also for a shipping container I’d make sure that individual panels can be unplugged or electronically disabled if damaged.
Unless you were keeping the entire system DC, the way to go would be microinverters on each panel. That way the whole system stays up if one panel is damaged or shaded.
@@jacobhall8092 yep!!
Gotta Love Chase in his Logging Dinner Jacket…..😂
All I can say is authenticity and knowledge from experience really shows.
Electric trucks should charge at the loading dock
That's such a good idea. Hopefully someone involved also had that idea
I work in the construction of industrial facilities to include their loading docks and these have been looked into but the current road block is the power demand that these require. They require a significant upgrade to the plant’s already expensive transformers and their utility lines.
So this will likely happen some day soon, but the plants just aren’t ready to spend the money for those upgrades yet
Edit: there also isn’t the demand for this yet but if we get more electric/ hybrid trucks at the docks, this will likely change sooner
Already a thing in parts of Europe
Our Laser Guided Forklift (automatic forklifts) had parking spots with charging pads on the floor so when they are parked waiting on loads they can charge. It cool even if I think they are going to run me over but the human lift drivers do have body counts unlike the LGV Forklifts.
Unless it's a strict planned route pure electric will never be reliable enough
Chase you were exactly what the world needs an honest person that’s not brainwashed by going to these Ivy League schools and being part of that club of the rich people out there exposing the world keep it up
Chace has experience those other guys will never have
Congratulations on the success! Y'all have earned it!
I always thought this was a 1970s oilfield/logging truck. Guess i was wrong lol
The bus guys looks extremely uncomfortable
Probably because battery electric busses are kind of a scam 😅
If you're running a fixed rout again and again constantly, hang some trolley lines... and don't haul around enough batteries to burn a hole through the moon
In the Americas, transit is a catchall for trolls and critics.
IF you're expecting to get ripped nomatter what you say, you tend to be uneasy.
@@johnwenzel2003 or is it that fact that their are better alternatives than fully electric busses
@@161metalworks You stated that he looked uncomfortable.
I stated what I saw as a likely cause, though being the only person on stage wearing a suit probably didn't help.
You're response to mine supports my point, so Thank You.
Uhuh- Ricky gets the concept of flexible power delivery.. An LiTO "peak power" module - piggybacking on to an LFP storage battery can give the best of many worlds - ridiculous power output for a short time - with rapid recovery (for the LTO recharging from the LFP storage cells) while delivering the "mean power" from the LFP...
(Numpties insisting on one solution for all are the Luddites of the E-age. - not those holding onto their still functional and economical ICE powered rigs (as economics changes so will attitudes - as we see which experiments truly work).. - there are optimal use curves for all available power solutions out there.
- one huge emerging problem is that a large freight terminal will use more power (instantaneous) to recharge its fleet - 24/7 than the state grids are able to supply, the ability to transport bulk energy in liquid form should not be underappreciated.
Ha ha - electrified trolley buses are the norm - still, in many places in europe - light rail for modern western cities are just replacing the trams/trolleys taken out in the 70's.
The bus dude saying no heatpumps are available for automotive - not truely so, they are out there already for several applications, AND a reversing valve can be added to any aitconditioning system design to make it reversible - heating as well as cooling - with a COP >4
21:00 Why can't a bus operator have resistive heated seats for all passengers and run a cooler air temperature? They need to heat the people, not the air.
Why is it that when people start talking since they get shut down OH it must be because of money 😂 keep going Chace you have a following of people that believe in what you and your team are doing and not all of us are truckers just people that believe in you and your guys product and the fact that guys with a great idea can come up with and build a great product, keep up the the great work
Chase, just build a bus for the guy next to you.
Great panel discussion.
1. When did the generator get downgraded to a level 3?
2. Excellent pushback on planned obsolescence.
I love it when bus companies make claims for electric buses like trolley buses some which had short range batteries never existed and many cities have mature electric trolley bus and tram systems and the number of incidents of battery electric buses erupting in flames from battery fires doesn’t seem to raise any concern for passenger safety,battery chemistry and thermal runaway is going to be a major issue with the obsession for fast charging.
The weight limin in USA is 80.000lbs but they did make àn exception for the APUs about 1500LBS
Good job guys! Glad you made er there. Best arrival to an ev show ever let er eat!
Basically its not about the environment.....
it's how can we save more money....
That is what will make it commercially viable, and make people want to do it,
If you want to save energy and environment, stop putting stop signs 10 stop signs in a row, some places are getting ridiculous...
Nice job, fellas
I think the core in the commercial EV market is that we spend almost 100 years tailoring industries to the abilities of the internal combustion engine. We've built so many things to mechanically harness its energy and work around its limitations. And the mechanical parts have always been the highest risk components in any of these machines, because moving parts no matter how well they are built, will always be struggling with the balance of friction and material stresses. Electric drive systems don't solve all of these problems, they just remove some of the limitations, remove a lot of mechanical complexity, and add so many more options.
Are we going to find a one-size-fits-all replacement for the internal combustion engine? No. The industries using them were built around that technology, its not going to be a perfect replacement. However if you go back to the original requirements you will find that the EV route provides such a greater freedom from the design status quo, that you won't want to do drop in one-size-fits-all designs anyway.
It would be cool if the reefertrailer had a means of cooling the truck as well, along with the truck charging the battery of the trailer while running, a diesel engine and compressor in the reefer unit is heavy, alot if battery can take its place, a DC reefer with solar, and a charger from the truck, 600vdc can come from solar andthe truck, a 10-20 amp charge at 600v is alot of power! A 50-100ah, 600v-720v battery could possibly last a day.
A large wireless charger for busses could be possible, just havd a large 4'x4' or larger iron plate in the ground where they as half a transformer, have the other half in the bus , use a 4'x4' or 3'x3', 3'x4', whatever have a pnunatic systems to lower the plates together, a signal powers it on and it works lije a mormal transformer, 10 minutes or so of charging with 90% efficient automatically, being the metal to metal contact, trucks can also eith the charger in docks, this would be especially good for yard trucks, sit for 3-5 minutes getting a charge every 20 minutes, have the plate come down with the patking brake!
I drive a yard truck. I'm in and out of a dock in 90 seconds and under a different trailer every 7-10 minutes. For 11 hours with unpredictable breaks. The Edison setup might work good but pure electric has tried and didn't pass muster.
Next year, TURvy!
Like Topsy but 3 drive axles and get this..... A surplus Honeywell AGT1500 multi fuel turbine spinning that generator head. Or a little RR500 if 3 or 4 hundred HP is enough to drive (supply motor) with surplus for charge, or however you do your wizard stuff(math).
The bus guy is talking about heating for a bus and just hoping the technology eventually comes, but what about what Chase did by using coolant for batteries to be used also for the Cab Heater?
I bet Chase was holding back....so as not to give the guy an innovative idea Edison Motors already thought of.
Again, the 'suits' in clean clothes don't have a practical idea of how to build something to last. They sure do know how to put government proposals together for tax payer dollars though.
Whoop whoop
The crossover I didn't know I needed
Solar reefer trailer is a brilliant idea
I thought that was Dave Povemire out there on the stage in green😅
that time worn shine on them boots.
So how do I ship my tool boxes to your shop Chase? I want to be part of that history.
A consultant, a plan to convert a fleet of busses and a guy that actual built something
Ah man, I'm too early. I'm gonna have to come back and watch it later 😥
😢
When will we get an Edison farm tractor?
Don't tell Thunderf00t 2 bit was there 😂
That hack TF is still relevant?
@@randgrithr7387 I guess. I think he has over a million subs now.
my kinda guy, No BS.
12:22 Chace could have dropped the mic and walked off stage at that point. Nuff said.
Roughly speaking let's say the engine is 40% smaller so it consumes 40% less fuel. And it runs let's say 75 % of the time so your engine consumes 75% out of the 60% of what it used to. That's 45% of the original fuel burned direct diesel drive. Let's say we Regen break back 30% of that 45% going down hill we are left with 30%. You are roughly going to be using 70% less fuel burned & have 70% of your emissions reduced. Since it's the trend is to cry bloody murder about those emissions, Edison Motors hybrid actually out performs the current electric vehicles by the emissions reduction against the highly wasteful power grid that feeds those so called electric vehicles. As for direct diesel drive the emession reduction compared to that is even more.
i mean i know hydro is pretty damaging from an enviromental point of view but its also highly efficient after its going and extremely clean , not sure id say highly wasteful power grid there
You can improve efficiency and lower emissions even further by generating hydrogen and oxygen on demand using electrolysis to run into the diesel generator. This would lower the amount of diesel burned and burn it much cleaner due to the higher burn temp of the hydrogen. Added benefit, it cleans out any carbon deposits in the motor when it's running.
@@ilenastarbreeze4978 Not everyone has a huge river to use for power. Most burn gas to power their grid. Later on by doubling that battery bank you can actually reduce diesel use by a long run. Regen and the grid could get up to 80% of provided power while the diesel would just be there to get that truck back home from a remote location when it runs out of power.
@@jacobhall8092 Dunno if a truck portable electrolysis unit could be feasible. But yeah it's a great idea. You gotta understand that this truck will go to perform extreme duty at remote locations. It's gonna have to be kept simple and quite rugged. Having electric drive and a diesel generator has added enough complexity as is. Maybe a hybrid capacitor/battery storage unit could solve this. The more charge capacity you have the more Regen and grid recharging will be there and eventually way more reduced generator use. Th truck is q modular upgradable plug in hybrid. That's a ton of flexibility in its favor. The grid is not present where the diesels do the hard work. Charging time is downtime as well.
The three guys honestly seemed to be scripted, chace was not and did a minty job!
Not gonna lie, the swivel chairs distracted me
0:30 So glad to see everyone social distancing. 😂
These guys on the stage.....other than Chase are a JOKE IMO.
How does their food get delivered? How everything they buy in a store get delivered? Not electric cars. Calling diesels 'nasty' is just ignorant and 'feelings' based.... There are clean running diesels. A Nissan leaf gets maybe 100 miles for a charge. It's way too costly a product for the output you get. It's an 'And' car only as any extended trips would need to be in a different vehicle.
Chase clearly was the only person who knew exactly what he was talking about IMO.
Bus routes can change over time...do you have to reconfigure each bus then? Seems very limited in flexibility to me and not very thought out. 14 years use and then toss it out? Blah.
Go Chase, Go Edison Motors. Common Sense innovation is the BEST type of innovation.
the bus guy in the middle.
talking about charging buses at bus stops.
does he know something better was used for decades 100 years ago? i mean. do you even need bateries? just make a rubber wheeled tram.
Lithium Ion thermal runaway fires terrify me. I don't want to be in a vehicle that spontaneously combusts! I'm disabled! How am I going to escape fast enough to not get burned to death?!
CHASE HAS IT RIGHT DIESEL ELECTRIC TRUCK THE FUEL HYBRID IS THE WAY TOGO less issues with infastructure etc . Nothing is free but we can use less !!
Algae biodiesel to make the edison carbon neutral.
Only downside I can see to a truck like topsy, can't have a clutch and gearbox
Nobody addressed the elephant in the room infrastructure and capacity to recharge batteries or why you named your truck Topsy.
Like #11. Hey does that look like Prince "former" Harry sitting beside Chase? hahaha 😆
Not first but almost
Soy vs Chad
Nice job,,, no OUTSTANDING JOB!!! You made those so-called 'industry experts' look like FOOLS.. Wind bags is all they are. You saw a need, and instead of creating a youtube channel and talked about it.. No,, you went out and built the damn thing. Then turned around and built a working prototype with the intent that u can quickly switch to saleable production. You and your team have made fools of Tesla and Nikola. They talk and show boat. You, on the other hand, developed a concept and built it all in one year.. Careful, they are going to be gunning for you. The only thing I'd like to have witnessed is you calling out the "All Electric" dude by asking him where is all the electricity going to come from to charge all these PURE Electric trucks.... That's YEARS away. You built an over the road train that doesn't have range anxiety or risk of being stranded on a freeway for days in a snowstorm.
After living your whole life around gas cars now you’re starting to get a headache from the fumes 😂😂😂 😂 people say anything to push their pointless point
I take it you've never been stuck in a tunnel in a traffic jam?
@@wrifraff I have. you probably need to change you cabin air filter if you smell fumes coming in
@@greentruth89 must be nice to have something fancy with a cabin air filter lol
@@greentruth89 cabin air filters don't filter out fumes
@@wrifraff? what vehicles don’t have them. I could just be informed but I would imagine that most relatively recent vehicles have them. My family’s 2001 Camry has one.