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- www.ted.com Science writer Margaret Wertheim re-creates the creatures of the coral reefs using a technique invented by a mathematician -- simultaneously celebrating the amazements of the reef, and deep-diving into the hyperbolic underpinnings of coral creation.
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This is wonderful. I am a Professional Fiber Artist and have been for 36 years. I always knew that what I did expressed something about human development over the last 50,000 years or so, but she takes it so much further. Finally someone is saying out loud something that is so important: that there are endlessly different ways to look at Science and Art and particularly what Women have done to further those forms. Weaving taught simple geometry to any person doing it from the time it began.
Did you listen to it all? She actually studied as a mathematician, and found this really cool representation of an abstract concept.
I come back to this video every once in a while because there is beauty in math, handcraft, and creativity. As a woman of color in science, there is a taste of empowerment to say to myself and to the world that my perspectives can be unique and powerful. Thank you for sharing!
Omgg girl me too!! I’ve read two of her books on science and how male and white it is. It’s made me feel less wrong for not ‘getting’ it all the time. Anyway, I’m wishing you all the best it’s hard out here
And there was me just thinking I was crocheting interesting decorations onto my granddaughter's hats and handbags. Enjoyed listening to and watching this video. Than you.
I'm a fan of crochet and this got my attention to learn about, today was the day I found that I didn't know about and I just learn it today. I may be 21 but It's important to know more about the world and take time to learn something today. :)
Thank you Margaret.A paradigm shifter- FANTASTIC presentation. The message is breath-taking in its profoundness. My husband and I love the message. We love scuba diving and so could understand the maths intuitively, though you explained it so amazingly well. Good luck with future projects.
love this presentation. such an inspiring message. and to the dumb idiots in the comments that just can't contain their discomfort anytime something concerning women comes up: It's been historically considered a 'domestic art', just like lots of other crafts that were considered 'feminine' arts. That's just historical fact. She isn't trying to keep them as 'feminine' handicrafts and force it to be only women and say men shouldn't crochet. lol. It's like yall are TRYING not to listen because you just can't comprehend history-- hello-- women were excluded from going to school and getting real educations and having fulfilling careers for freaking ever-- it was considered more proper for women to sit around and crochet, and often that would be the only income a woman could make was from her crafts. So the irony is women were excluded from becoming mathematicians, mathematicians were excluding themselves from learning crafts, when the two were merged, a woman who could crochet found a way to model hyperbolic space. That's the whole point she was trying to make. Get educated and stop choosing to be so damn gross! It should tell you something that when someone mentions something from actual history that instead of seeing reality you get uncomfortable and start whining and trying to make it about yourself.
Back to topic though, this video is amazing. I am a very visual person and to really grasp something I find I need to develop a mental picture; though picture seems too simple, it's more a multi-dimensional picture and mindmap. This kind of simple and elegant approach is so ingenious. The potential for being both an educational and research tool is enormous - I love it!
This video makes mathmatics understandable to the simple crochet person that i am . . . . .
Interesting presentation. What I don’t understand is why crochet is not taught in public schools anymore.
Obrigada por legendar em português!
Complexifications. Great word!
celtic knots are similar. Just add a row here or there and you can get a radically different pattern to emerge.
Gonna share this video with my lichenology teacher, she also likes to crochet. Time to add to the crochet tree of life...
Such an inspiring talk! :)
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Also, there is a degree of historical irony when we try to imagine the attitudes of past (male) mathematicians who likely held condescending views on women and then juxtapose those attitueds the news that a female mathematician in 97' used crochet to explain hyperbolic geometry.
This gave me an epiphany. I never heard of hyperbolic space, yet I understood the infinite possible lines on a warped surface being parallel from reading about relativity. To think that simple creatures around for millions of years have had this kind of geometry, and that a simple change in pattern can make it look more realistic, reminds me of a previous TED talks guy who talked about how a missing piece of DNA creates symmetry. Through crochet they are adding "DNA" creating more complexity.
Interesting take on a global problem awareness, who knew crochet would be the only way to imitate coral structure...lol
Crochet power! *i'm sure there's some guys who like doing that too*
OMG, her sister goes to Calarts!!!?? that's so awesome!
@squeevey 'Liking' your comment. I liked the idea of the play tanks though, places where physical representations of abstract ideas can be explored and understood.
Science is an art in search of the superlative elegant equation which will explain everything.
Being narrow minded places limits on what you allow yourself to learn.
Wonderful talk
I would like to know how Margaret Wertheim can relate hyperbolic geometry to fractal geometry; in particular, The Mandelbrot Set:
Z = z² + C
aka "THE FINGERPRINT OF GOD."
Brilliant!
Me gustaría que tuviera subtítulos en español, soy entusiasta del crochet y me preocupan mucho los daños ambientales que causamos en la naturaleza, incluyendo el blanqueo de los corales
not everyone has the time to pick junk off a beach. perhaps they're landlocked. as a society, our main problem is lack of grassroots organization. this is perfect for a class of women who are essentially stuck inside a home and are marginalized and mocked. everyone needs creative work, and to have some output and connection to the group, which is now global. this is beautiful and far deeper than you are conditioned to believe it could be. think about it.
@michaelholzleithner i was astounded, she is brilliant in all ways. i like her sense of humor as much as her intellect . the world would be blest with a few more .... :)
a colorful talk!
...In the last 100+ years several practical visualization models of hyperbolic geometry have appeared, for instance the famous Poincaré Disk which perfectly illustrates hyperbolic geometry. The challenge is anyway not to illustrate hyperbolic geometry as a finite plane but to illustrate it as infinite plane...
I need to shoot this and then computer animate it and merge it with reality in a movie
good stuff
This is an incredible project (and I use that adjective carefully). I think that ALL WOMEN, EVERYWHERE should drop whatever else they're doing, and join in on this project. I can't think of a better focus for the vast feminine power flowing throughout academic departments today.
I don't think she does - but if she did she would have a point = )
After all, she pretty much explains that for a long time mathematicians thought hyperbolic space was impossible, even though it's all around us in nature and art.
"That's the way things are and the way they will always be" is a common thought passed on through the generations. It's damaging to the learning and discovery process. The older generation and folks that have gone before were just doing their best to figure things out.
Nice to hear an Australian accent :-)
the nokia commercial at the end is incredibly interesting... they should have had a talk with those designers
Good points to make. Near every galaxy, has star forming nebulaes at their center. The only thing that can escape a black hole, are gases. therefore, one can expect to see gases converging and coalescing on the other side of the black hole, and that directs us to nebulaes, the origins of stars. Steven Hawkings refers to singularities in the universe. However, in our current society, those singularities have become Hollywood stars, not stars of a galaxy.
versión en español!!!!
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Naturally.
My grandmother taught me to crochet as a child. I agree that it was very creative and beautiful, and wonderful that an old and everyday activity had the explanation to a problem.
What I disagreed with was the "them-us" mentality that she seemed to encourage. Those male mathematicians who didn't realize something what 'we' did. That 99% of those involved were women doing a "woman's craft". I don't think that mentality has ever done feminism any favors.
Again beautiful art though!
Yea I agree, the idea that crochet is a "feminine handicraft" will likely alienate men who aren't used to rigorous boxing off and segregation of activities. Most of us have long since abandoned the need to claim certain skills for our gender. For example I have never felt saying, "by the use of the masculine practice of auto mechanics, the shop fixed my brakes." or "the feminine practice a cleaning is an important habit to have to maintain a sense of order." While that's a blunt way of putting it I think this wonderful presentation, that I have recommended to several students of math and physics like myself, ends up sounding out of place and insecure for those of us not raised to believe "knitting is for girls, and carpentry is for boys."
Omfg yall are so dumb. It's been historically considered a 'domestic art', just like lots of other crafts that were considered 'feminine' arts. That's just historical fact. She isn't trying to keep them as 'feminine' handicrafts and force it to be only women and exclude men. lol. It's like yall are TRYING not to listen because you just can't comprehend history-- hello-- women were excluded from going to school and getting real educations and having fulfilling careers for freaking ever-- it was considered more proper for women to sit around and crochet, and often that would be the only income a woman could make was from her crafts. So the irony is women were excluded from becoming mathmaticians, mathmaticians were excluding themselves from learning crafts, when the two were merged, a woman who could crochet found a way to model hyperbolic space. Get educated and stop choosing to be so damn gross! It should tell you something that when someone mentions something from actual history that instead of seeing reality you get uncomfortable and start whining and trying to make it about yourself.
think of Hermann Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
Infinity is the expansion of all the brains dendrites, simultaneously.
Keylimedelight, perhaps you had the wrong teachers. I know I have something you will enjoy.
It is the The Mandelbrot Set set to Pink Floyd on my homepage. Hit "Play All" and watch it uninterrupted in its entirety.
Lite 'em up if you have 'em.
;-{)
never read that. He wrote sidartha right? That was a good book.
UNDER RATED
thats bewdiful
Fantastic and fascinating ~ Congratulations on your book but I am not buying it ! I will just create, made for interesting installation design !
Do you know Kaffe Fassett, he is a man and most famous for his fibre art !
And his amazing knitting designs, and art works. I have a couple of his books and they are a feast for the eyes, and his ideas and inspirations.
The focus comes in when for example you go to a fabric store to buy crochet material, I've been a crocheter since 2nd grade and I've NEVER seen a guy enthralled with the tools of crochet, coveting yet another book full of beautiful patterns, or trying to figure out how to alter the hook to allow himself maximum comfort while "hooking" more very cool feminine crafty "stuff" There's nothing wrong with embracing our fundamental differences, as long as we respect each other at the same time.
so ware they building coral reefs? dose that help the inviornment at all?
Apologies. Just checked and she is Australian. Same point though regarding pronunciation.
benthelush, you're an electronics engineer and you know of no equation that takes into fact infinity? hmmm
Go see my post lower down; "The Mandelbrot Set;" it is all about infinity.
Better yet, go to my TH-cam homepage and watch it in action. Just hit autoplay.
Very interesting ideas. I agree that it could have been presented better, the focus on women was rather odd and unnecessary. Beautiful though. I'd love to see one of their installations.
Thank you David0aloha for understanding the value of the approach seen in this Video and see my comment posted above for other thoughts on this subject as well. I am glad I came late to the ridiculous discussions here that seem to miss the point entirely of what this Video is about. Everyone is free to argue about everything, but why bother? It's such a pointless waste of energy that can be used more creatively, the Video being case in point. Make something, do something creative!
I too am British and ALWAYS pronounce it the way that she does i.e "pro" as in "know"; not "proj" as in "lodge" which is an Americanism to my ear!
She's Australian...
COOL....
Oh Keylime, open your eyes, all creation of any sort is indeed science and yes, I do believe science is also a beautiful art. Look into a microscope.
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She seems to presume understanding of both mathematics and crochet. Having done a hyperbolic plane several months ago, the most interesting part of it was watching the shape develop as it grew. It's possible for a crocheter to intuit the differences that went into some of the forms she showed, but if one understands that much already then the lecture isn't really necessary.
We live in a society
She is Australian.
Woot ted :)
So we could just be one flap of the universe. Kev.jay
brilliant comment in regards to the video. I fully agree. She seems to promote a further differentiation between men and women, when really, we should learn to work together, as a species, rather than a division of said species.
nooooo she isn't. Literally the history of crochet it has been called a feminine domestic art for decades and decades.
I disagree. Crochet is something that many people, myself included, are quick to dismiss as being too sedentary and too domestic; perhaps something that should have been abandoned in a previous generation. To see it as having creative utility was surprising.
Reclaiming Ruffles on clothing @@@@
I agree with her that crochet is a good way for visualizing hyperbolic geometry... However, I got a feeling the she sees abstract thinking a male way of thinking and is trying to attack it.
thats because you think that any time a woman talks about women that they are insulting men while doing so, but it's not true. Not everything is about you. Literally crochet was considered a feminine domestic art since it first existed, along with lots of other arts-- like that's just historical fact.
I most certainly enjoy the topic of the discussion. I love seeing when people relate mathematics to our everyday world. What I did not appreciate was her feminist slant of this. I looked past those subtle jabs and appreciated the divisive gap between creatives & analyticals or emotionals & rationals. There will always be those of us who want to know how/why and there will also be those who wish to feel and "be".
being feminist is not a fucking 'jab' you idiot. Don't take things so personally. Not everything is about you.
Her talk and logic is brilliant. Of course, the Flat Earth Society SCIENTISTS naturally will sling names at her. They hate to have their bubbles burst.
Well said.
We need to get beyond the battle of the sexes and sexism.
This is a bit reactionary.
She is brilliant and creative and beautiful and eloquent but she has a bit of a chip on her shoulder that may repel some people.
I wish her the best, and enjoyed the mathematics in her presentation.
Omfg yall are so dumb. It's been historically considered a 'domestic art', just like lots of other crafts that were considered 'feminine' arts. That's just historical fact. She isn't trying to keep them as 'feminine' handicrafts and force it to be only women and exclude men. lol. It's like yall are TRYING not to listen because you just can't comprehend history-- hello-- women were excluded from going to school and getting real educations and having fulfilling careers for freaking ever-- it was considered more proper for women to sit around and crochet, and often that would be the only income a woman could make was from her crafts. So the irony is women were excluded from becoming mathmaticians, mathmaticians were excluding themselves from learning crafts, when the two were merged, a woman who could crochet found a way to model hyperbolic space. Get educated and stop choosing to be so damn gross! It should tell you something that when someone mentions something from actual history that instead of seeing reality you get uncomfortable and start whining and trying to make it about yourself.
This is really niche
Her explanation of the views of mathematicians is factually grossly distorted and incorrect. Claiming that crochets solved anything regarding hyperbolic space is...well..simply ridiculous - to say the least!
Mathematicians didn't struggle with the concept of hyperbolic space, they invented it, formalized it and proved it to be a fully consistent geometry well before the 20th century. Einsten used hyperbolic to mathematically describe the curvature of space in his theory of general relativity...
She said they stuggled to represent it as a model!
how the furf did religion make its way in here?? this talk is great!
'Pro'ject is the British pronunciation. The speaker sounds South African, once part of the British empire/commonwealth.
It is interesting how all arguments always somehow end up in the direction of religion. I don't see why people care one way or another. The universe is a big place. Anything is possible because the universe is a big place. There are planets out there unexplored, dimensions unseen. There are technologies yet to be discovered. Rather than argue about belief people should be having a productive conversation about the universe. Same could be said about all other videos where the argument appears.
It isn't knitting. It's crochet.
I'm glad they got rid of the horrible BMW ad.
That nokia comercial at the end is terrible. I can't believe someone actually paid someone to make that. I mean I like nokia products but damn that comercial is absolutely annoying. Good talk though hooray hyperbolic geometry now I'll have something to think of when I read lovecraft and he keeps sayind noneuclydian.
Seminal
There are many schools of thought that believe in a higher consciousness, but Christianity isn't one of them. To be conscious is to be aware, and to be aware means you must seek to understand and question. Christianity promotes blind adherance to a being and his "son" that was born from a "virgin" (a "fact" agreed upon by a great religious debate referenced as the Council of Nicaea in order to reinforce the mystical attributes of the church). It's been used to start wars and kill non-believers
you are wrong my friend.
MORE ART
MORE SCIENCE
i dont speek inglish
I've already said I'm a douchebag, please alow my confession to go gracefully sir.
Did they intentionally exclude men from the project or was there simply not that many men interested in crocheting? I'm a man and I have no interest in crocheting.
jeezzzus what is your point
there is no evidence for or against god. therefor YOU want to believe in god, and he just doesn't care.
There is not more evidence for christian god than there is for the flying spagetti monster.
therefor: may the flying spagettimonster bless you
Crochets are finite models just like the Poincaré Disk, the saddleback model, etc. The only new thing here is the use of crochet. Even as art, hyperbolic geometry was treated already in the early 20th century by the famous paintings of M.C. Escher, so hyperbolic geometry has already been introduced to art a century ago. So, again, nothing new here...
"I've been a crocheter since 2nd grade and I've NEVER seen a guy enthralled with the tools of croche"
Everybody knows men are much less likely to be occupied with handicraft. My question was why it was important to stress the point. To see just how ridiculous her emphasis is, try replacing "women" with "men".
Projects like these are personal accomplishments, they do not reflect on the gender of the majority of the participants. I fail to see how this affects the quality of the art.
Seriously, you have no clue about what you are talking about. Go study a bit of mathematics and science before saying nonsense like "science calculating infinity".
she just keeps going on and on and on...surely one of the most boring TED Talks i have seen so far..the thematic might even be interesting but she is weak in her presentation
Why did she has to put so much emphasis on the "woman job"?
I mean we all know some drunken studs that go:
"I made a shelf, it's a MAN's job, a MANLY MAN job"
It doesn't sound good, does it?
Omfg yall are so dumb. It's been historically considered a 'domestic art', just like lots of other crafts that were considered 'feminine' arts. That's just historical fact. She isn't trying to keep them as 'feminine' handicrafts and force it to be only women and exclude men. lol. It's like yall are TRYING not to listen because you just can't comprehend history-- hello-- women were excluded from going to school and getting real educations and having fulfilling careers for freaking ever-- it was considered more proper for women to sit around and crochet, and often that would be the only income a woman could make was from her crafts. So the irony is women were excluded from becoming mathmaticians, mathmaticians were excluding themselves from learning crafts, when the two were merged, a woman who could crochet found a way to model hyperbolic space. Get educated and stop choosing to be so damn gross! It should tell you something that when someone mentions something from actual history that instead of seeing reality you get uncomfortable and start whining and trying to make it about yourself.
gay.
How can the infinite be understood without first fully understanding the finite?
Besides, it's almost like you don't even understand what infinity is. It is BY DEFINITION an unknown, unquantifiable and intangible concept. You simply cannot prove infinity because a proof of infinity would negate it as being infinite.
You ask for a scientific explanation for a philosophical concept, and it goes to show how little you know what you're talking about.
In(unable)finite(quantify) = Unquanitfyable
What an ignoramous.
She's an example of all what's wrong with feminism.
Ok, your right I'm a douchbag.
Still, cool project, cool merging between science and art, but how she acts like women making it makes it admirable, rather than the fact that people are skilled enough to make this is a huge issue. Also, the macho-est teacher I had in high school would crochet. "Domestic Feminine art."
Omfg yall are so dumb. It's been historically considered a 'domestic art', just like lots of other crafts that were considered 'feminine' arts. That's just historical fact. She isn't trying to keep them as 'feminine' handicrafts and force it to be only women and exclude men. lol. It's like yall are TRYING not to listen because you just can't comprehend history-- hello-- women were excluded from going to school and getting real educations and having fulfilling careers for freaking ever-- it was considered more proper for women to sit around and crochet, and often that would be the only income a woman could make was from her crafts. So the irony is women were excluded from becoming mathmaticians, mathmaticians were excluding themselves from learning crafts, when the two were merged, a woman who could crochet found a way to model hyperbolic space. Get educated and stop choosing to be so damn gross! It should tell you something that when someone mentions something from actual history that instead of seeing reality you get uncomfortable and start whining and trying to make it about yourself.
Can't lie this one was a little "meh"