Me and 2 friends got this game at launch. We’ve all beaten it twice and they’re done, but think I’m crazy for continuing the loop, raising the difficulty, finding new synergies and hunting for mods. Thanks for keeping the content coming for us crazies! 🤪
I regret not starting NG+ instantly after finishing the game. Because NG+ is pretty awful and wipes out 90% of your stats and collections, but it's a great opportunity to playthrough the opposite alignment (for me darkside). I'm so deep into min maxing that NG+ becomes less and less appealing to me. So Im really hoping they add in a NG++ with carried stats and harder difficulties.
@@Channel5Gaming I am/was not as far as you but, I had the same issue with restarting NG+ my first playthrough was at around 100 hours light side hunter... I just dont see the point of NG+ if you cant playthrough all the story missions again that unlock characters. So, I started a fresh play through going dark side no NG+. I though it would be a bummer, but, im about 40 hours in, and I just dont see me having as much fun if I dont get to the missions where new characters show up like captain america or the quest chains for hulk/scarlet witch. So, far I dont mind it at all starting completely over.
For anyone watching this video post DLC, they significantly hlnerfed how Marked worked. Up Here! and Web Throw will now only apply the Marked to the main target.
Long story lest long. I picked this game up once it released but never played it. I just recently had time to dive into ( I love it) but I realize there are no online is guides or builds for this game. I then found your channel. The level of detail you share when you make your guides are fantastic! Keep up the amazing job!
My Spider-Man build actually capitalizes on Chain Strike for damage. I put Quick on my AoE abilities instead. As for Chain Strike, I added the 33% damage mod, strengthened it with Webslinger and use the Major Strength Tonic.
It's my first time playing this game despite me being hesitant about it since it's a card strategy game... I decided to give it a try, and seeing your guide towards Spider-Man, you've explained it beautifully well; down to the last detail! Since I love Spider-Man, I hope this build will act as a "Main" build since I would love to play as Spider-Man in every turn possible hahaha! I really hope you'll make a Build for Venom since I REALLY wanted to play as him for the whole playthrough! (Me wishes for a Solo Hero gameplay but alas.... we're left with three squad mates T_T)
Didn't realize till you mentioned that apply marked refunds the card play instantly making it the AOE equivalent of quick. Now this build makes so much more sense.
Well marked is also a single target mod too. It's just more useful on AoE and Chain abilities. The question is always what resources are you giving up to apply marked. Let's say you add it to Deadpool's Pain Pinata. You lose a cardplay and 1 heroism. Although you added 1 marked to every enemy in the AoE, the damage wasn't high enough to validate it's use. Add it to Captain America's Shield Bounce. It Taunts and applies 1 weak, but costs 2 heroism. It's not as bad as Deadpool, but still not very good. Finally one of the best examples. Iron Man's Air Superiority. Yes, 4 heroism is expensive, but it hits every enemy in the field. There's also the fact that you can redraw to increase it's damage.
It doesn't refund the card play instantly. Killing a marked target refunds the cardplay. The important part of this build, is the fact you can only apply the MARK 2 on single target abilities, the AOE effect is added afterwards. So spidermans abilities are the only AOE's in the entire game that can have Mark 2 to all enemies. For example Captains shield bounce can only ever get Mark 1.
@@gamrage A much better example is Iron Man's Surgical Strike. For the cost of 2 Heroism (or 1, if he's played Leave It To Me), you can mark up to 12 enemies (although there probably won't be that many on the field, and getting 12 attacks on Surgical Strike usually requires Effort Maximizer). Or KO one enemy using 2 or more attacks to make the card play free and using the remaining attacks for marking. That's the big advantage of putting Mark 1 on Chain attacks instead of Area attacks.
Firaxis still supports games made in the 2000s. Tbf there's not much to support as these are single player games but they tend to stay alive for a long time and have dedicated communities. If u ever heard of the civilization games or the xcom series then you might be happy to know each one of those games still has a dedicated community to this day. In short, they picked THE best studio to make this game.
I really like your take on Spider-Man. He's already fun to play, and I think your build will make him more effective. BTW, I think I've watched all of your Midnight Suns build videos, and I don't think I've seen the support build you showed off for Hunter in this one. Do you cover it in detail somewhere that I missed? Thanks!
I havn't covered my hunter. I wasn't sure if I should. But if people want my take on Hunter I could definitely do that. Problem is, I honestly don't have much experience with 90% of the hunter cards, nore do I care to theory craft with them. I came up with the most broken must have build early on, and havn't seen reason to change it since. But if people want to know the details of that build, I can cover hunter at the end of this series!
@Channel5Gaming I think it would be great to hear you talk about your approach and build. The Hunter is very flexible, so I wouldn't expect to get the same sort of analysis of their entire card set. Perhaps just a shorter spotlight video. Thank you for considering it.
Love these videos. What I don't understand is how you get your heroes to such high levels. Do you just never finish the story? Do you use the thing in the training yard? And one last question, do you take Hunter on every mission?
Absolutely no shade on the creator, seeing Spider-Man in this video dominating is really cool but how long did you spend modding the cards the get the upgrades you wanted? I have seen your video on how to mod more efficiently :) I just feel like he is so overpowered now that the game would become boring to play?
They patched that with web throw. Also applying marked to chain attacks doesn't seem to give a card replay anymore if you hit an enemy twice and ko them
noob here, at 00:23:00 you say, that it's preferred to knockback minions into allies to generate card draws. How does this work? Is that a default mechanic? Thx.
Well you first need to unlock that ability via research. Otherwise, your allies will suffer damage if you knockback or shove an enemy into them. However, once you do unlock that perk, whenever you have a card with "knockback" or if you have shove unlocked, (also through research) simply knock or shove the enemy into your alley. They will basically pinball the enemy off of them for additional damage. If the target is KO'ed, and you have a mod for card draws on KO, you will get free draws for that KO.
Deserves more views! Few things tho, build is a bit heroism heavy ( it works with the way you built your hunter with 2x inspire 2x call to arms, that's ton of heroism or negating heroism cost) , the marked on up here is genius, unfortunately it no longer works on web throw, so best to mood it quick and throw an enemy into minion or ally if it gets a kill.
I'm not sure how I feel about Spidey. I appreciate how they tried to incorporate his personality and abilities into the game, but it fell short imo. There just isn't enough environmentals in one mission to take full advantage of his skill set. Furthermore, since the environmentals are one time use only, he becomes less and less effective after each wave. His bind ability is pretty strong tho. The fact it doesn't wear off after an attack, but rather lasts the full turn is very good. There is a star version of it that applies vulnerable to the bound target as well. Thats the one I use.
I felt similarly to how you do in the beginning. That's why I pushed him into this Mark Target support instead. Now I find I get 100% value from him every mission, and his ability to blow up environmentals becomes a bonus after thought.
The 15% chance to refund the Heroism cost of environmental attacks is too low to be significant. It's actually got the lowest % chance of happening of any of the passives in the game, and at best it will save 2 Heroism - which you have to have available before you use the environmental attack. The other part of his passive (the guaranteed free environmental attack) is better, but again it's just 2 Heroism at best. Dr Strange averages 1 Heroism per turn, so on average that's 2 turns with Dr Strange. What makes this passive even worse is Spider Man's own Opportunist card, which is SO much better. And as you point out in this video, that can get the mod Free. I'd argue that right now, Spidy's passive is the worst in the game, although Wolverine's passive just might be worse. And while environmental attacks are great, it's really only for the first one or two turns. Unless you have a Hunter putting down Deadly Ground, which admittedly isn't a bad idea if you have Spider Man or Magik on the team. I think he's better than I gave him credit for, but I still don't think he's top tier.
Any character can become top tier with mods. 🤷♂️ Well except Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, and Scarlet Witch. Who are the worst characters in the game sadly.
@@LynxStarAuto I think Captain America is fairly good. Although the tank aspect becomes less useful the higher the difficulty you play on, you're always going to need one just for enemies with Frenzy, if nothing else. And in fairness, Cap's one of the best tanks in the game. But what makes him top tier (IMO) is that so many of his cards have card draw. Quick Punch and Brooklyn Handshake are particularly good since you still generate heroism playing them, and you can make Brooklyn Handshake Quick. Mostly, he's not drawing his own cards specifically, which makes him better for support, but since so much of his power revolves around him playing The Best Defence, he wants to draw his own cards a bit more than he actually does. And of course, The Best Defence can't get Free, but you only need to play it once every 2 turns so it's not that bad. I can't rate Cap as the best of the best, but he's pretty decent with the right setup. Cap's biggest problem is that his highest damage attack (Shield Charge) exhausts, and he doesn't have any other really high damage attacks. At higher difficulties, that means he mostly needs to peck enemies down with low to medium damage attacks rather than knock them down in one or two hits like the best heroes can.
Spidey is a sleepy. Early and midgame I was clearing ultimate 3 mission in 1 turn without any troubles. This is with just random un-upgraded cards and no mods. Late game using the build I showcased, he just smashes flat out. I do remember having a growing pain moment on him where I was struggling to "like him" as a hero. Something was off. This build completed that and he's now a top 5 hero for me.
Was curious to know what you meant and googled it. Marked is supposed to refund a card on kill. People are saying it’s bugged now? So what does mark do now? Nothing!? If it’s a bug it’s up to the developers to fix it, not for me to delete all my videos which include mark target discussions.
Me and 2 friends got this game at launch. We’ve all beaten it twice and they’re done, but think I’m crazy for continuing the loop, raising the difficulty, finding new synergies and hunting for mods. Thanks for keeping the content coming for us crazies! 🤪
I regret not starting NG+ instantly after finishing the game. Because NG+ is pretty awful and wipes out 90% of your stats and collections, but it's a great opportunity to playthrough the opposite alignment (for me darkside). I'm so deep into min maxing that NG+ becomes less and less appealing to me. So Im really hoping they add in a NG++ with carried stats and harder difficulties.
@@Channel5Gaming you can keep your current save file and than play Ng+
@@Channel5Gaming I am/was not as far as you but, I had the same issue with restarting NG+ my first playthrough was at around 100 hours light side hunter... I just dont see the point of NG+ if you cant playthrough all the story missions again that unlock characters. So, I started a fresh play through going dark side no NG+. I though it would be a bummer, but, im about 40 hours in, and I just dont see me having as much fun if I dont get to the missions where new characters show up like captain america or the quest chains for hulk/scarlet witch. So, far I dont mind it at all starting completely over.
For anyone watching this video post DLC, they significantly hlnerfed how Marked worked. Up Here! and Web Throw will now only apply the Marked to the main target.
Wait really??? 😭 do you have any suggestions for an updated or better build?
Trying this now and still works. Although, I don't own the DLC so not sure if that makes a difference.
It’s still working on my copy, and I have the DLC. You might have encountered a glitch
You really do a great job! Love the way you articulate everything. No screaming or acting a damn fool. Just detailed awesome information.
Long story lest long. I picked this game up once it released but never played it. I just recently had time to dive into ( I love it) but I realize there are no online is guides or builds for this game. I then found your channel. The level of detail you share when you make your guides are fantastic!
Keep up the amazing job!
I appreciate you taking the time to do these
I appreciate you taking the time to comment!
My Spider-Man build actually capitalizes on Chain Strike for damage. I put Quick on my AoE abilities instead.
As for Chain Strike, I added the 33% damage mod, strengthened it with Webslinger and use the Major Strength Tonic.
That's a lot of wasted space for a card that's not that great 🤷♂️
It's nice to see you incorporating other games into your channel. ✌🙂
It's my first time playing this game despite me being hesitant about it since it's a card strategy game...
I decided to give it a try, and seeing your guide towards Spider-Man, you've explained it beautifully well; down to the last detail!
Since I love Spider-Man, I hope this build will act as a "Main" build since I would love to play as Spider-Man in every turn possible hahaha!
I really hope you'll make a Build for Venom since I REALLY wanted to play as him for the whole playthrough! (Me wishes for a Solo Hero gameplay but alas.... we're left with three squad mates T_T)
Didn't realize till you mentioned that apply marked refunds the card play instantly making it the AOE equivalent of quick. Now this build makes so much more sense.
Well marked is also a single target mod too. It's just more useful on AoE and Chain abilities.
The question is always what resources are you giving up to apply marked.
Let's say you add it to Deadpool's Pain Pinata. You lose a cardplay and 1 heroism. Although you added 1 marked to every enemy in the AoE, the damage wasn't high enough to validate it's use.
Add it to Captain America's Shield Bounce. It Taunts and applies 1 weak, but costs 2 heroism. It's not as bad as Deadpool, but still not very good.
Finally one of the best examples. Iron Man's Air Superiority. Yes, 4 heroism is expensive, but it hits every enemy in the field. There's also the fact that you can redraw to increase it's damage.
It doesn't refund the card play instantly. Killing a marked target refunds the cardplay. The important part of this build, is the fact you can only apply the MARK 2 on single target abilities, the AOE effect is added afterwards. So spidermans abilities are the only AOE's in the entire game that can have Mark 2 to all enemies. For example Captains shield bounce can only ever get Mark 1.
@@gamrage A much better example is Iron Man's Surgical Strike. For the cost of 2 Heroism (or 1, if he's played Leave It To Me), you can mark up to 12 enemies (although there probably won't be that many on the field, and getting 12 attacks on Surgical Strike usually requires Effort Maximizer). Or KO one enemy using 2 or more attacks to make the card play free and using the remaining attacks for marking. That's the big advantage of putting Mark 1 on Chain attacks instead of Area attacks.
Marked and knockback are the greatest abilities in the game.
LOVE all your guides, it's very thoughted through and well tested!
A fantastic video I really hope they keep supporting this game and this build is amazing!
Firaxis still supports games made in the 2000s. Tbf there's not much to support as these are single player games but they tend to stay alive for a long time and have dedicated communities. If u ever heard of the civilization games or the xcom series then you might be happy to know each one of those games still has a dedicated community to this day.
In short, they picked THE best studio to make this game.
Your guides have been a life saver. Thanks!
Web throw seems to be doing single target mark for me instead of marking everyone in range, could it be patched?
Great videos as always i love this game!
Awesome Spiderman!
I really like your take on Spider-Man. He's already fun to play, and I think your build will make him more effective.
BTW, I think I've watched all of your Midnight Suns build videos, and I don't think I've seen the support build you showed off for Hunter in this one. Do you cover it in detail somewhere that I missed? Thanks!
I havn't covered my hunter. I wasn't sure if I should. But if people want my take on Hunter I could definitely do that. Problem is, I honestly don't have much experience with 90% of the hunter cards, nore do I care to theory craft with them. I came up with the most broken must have build early on, and havn't seen reason to change it since. But if people want to know the details of that build, I can cover hunter at the end of this series!
@Channel5Gaming I think it would be great to hear you talk about your approach and build. The Hunter is very flexible, so I wouldn't expect to get the same sort of analysis of their entire card set. Perhaps just a shorter spotlight video. Thank you for considering it.
Hunter guide when?? :)
Love these videos. What I don't understand is how you get your heroes to such high levels. Do you just never finish the story? Do you use the thing in the training yard? And one last question, do you take Hunter on every mission?
Awesome take on spiderman.
Absolutely no shade on the creator, seeing Spider-Man in this video dominating is really cool but how long did you spend modding the cards the get the upgrades you wanted? I have seen your video on how to mod more efficiently :) I just feel like he is so overpowered now that the game would become boring to play?
They patched that with web throw. Also applying marked to chain attacks doesn't seem to give a card replay anymore if you hit an enemy twice and ko them
noob here, at 00:23:00 you say, that it's preferred to knockback minions into allies to generate card draws. How does this work? Is that a default mechanic? Thx.
Well you first need to unlock that ability via research. Otherwise, your allies will suffer damage if you knockback or shove an enemy into them.
However, once you do unlock that perk, whenever you have a card with "knockback" or if you have shove unlocked, (also through research) simply knock or shove the enemy into your alley. They will basically pinball the enemy off of them for additional damage. If the target is KO'ed, and you have a mod for card draws on KO, you will get free draws for that KO.
Yes LSA Explained it nicely! Research it, and then knockbacks become a draw card feature! :D
Deserves more views! Few things tho, build is a bit heroism heavy ( it works with the way you built your hunter with 2x inspire 2x call to arms, that's ton of heroism or negating heroism cost) , the marked on up here is genius, unfortunately it no longer works on web throw, so best to mood it quick and throw an enemy into minion or ally if it gets a kill.
That apply 2 marked aoe strat is genius!
Got 2 marked on web throw and it only works on the enemy you target, not the "nearby" enemies.
Web throw only applied mark on the main target after testing for me. Am I missing something?
Gotta upgrade your cards bud
There was a patch that significantly nerfed how Marked worked.
Hey! Can you provide your Hunter mods?
Mark 2 is from single target table.. So can Web Throw roll Quick instead? Anyone know?
When I first got spiderman I was like 'This sucks' Hours later hes the goat
I'm not sure how I feel about Spidey. I appreciate how they tried to incorporate his personality and abilities into the game, but it fell short imo.
There just isn't enough environmentals in one mission to take full advantage of his skill set. Furthermore, since the environmentals are one time use only, he becomes less and less effective after each wave.
His bind ability is pretty strong tho. The fact it doesn't wear off after an attack, but rather lasts the full turn is very good. There is a star version of it that applies vulnerable to the bound target as well. Thats the one I use.
I felt similarly to how you do in the beginning. That's why I pushed him into this Mark Target support instead. Now I find I get 100% value from him every mission, and his ability to blow up environmentals becomes a bonus after thought.
Why not have two Opportunist?
The 15% chance to refund the Heroism cost of environmental attacks is too low to be significant. It's actually got the lowest % chance of happening of any of the passives in the game, and at best it will save 2 Heroism - which you have to have available before you use the environmental attack. The other part of his passive (the guaranteed free environmental attack) is better, but again it's just 2 Heroism at best. Dr Strange averages 1 Heroism per turn, so on average that's 2 turns with Dr Strange. What makes this passive even worse is Spider Man's own Opportunist card, which is SO much better. And as you point out in this video, that can get the mod Free. I'd argue that right now, Spidy's passive is the worst in the game, although Wolverine's passive just might be worse.
And while environmental attacks are great, it's really only for the first one or two turns. Unless you have a Hunter putting down Deadly Ground, which admittedly isn't a bad idea if you have Spider Man or Magik on the team. I think he's better than I gave him credit for, but I still don't think he's top tier.
Mods
Any character can become top tier with mods. 🤷♂️
Well except Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, and Scarlet Witch. Who are the worst characters in the game sadly.
@@LynxStarAuto I think Captain America is fairly good. Although the tank aspect becomes less useful the higher the difficulty you play on, you're always going to need one just for enemies with Frenzy, if nothing else. And in fairness, Cap's one of the best tanks in the game.
But what makes him top tier (IMO) is that so many of his cards have card draw. Quick Punch and Brooklyn Handshake are particularly good since you still generate heroism playing them, and you can make Brooklyn Handshake Quick. Mostly, he's not drawing his own cards specifically, which makes him better for support, but since so much of his power revolves around him playing The Best Defence, he wants to draw his own cards a bit more than he actually does. And of course, The Best Defence can't get Free, but you only need to play it once every 2 turns so it's not that bad.
I can't rate Cap as the best of the best, but he's pretty decent with the right setup. Cap's biggest problem is that his highest damage attack (Shield Charge) exhausts, and he doesn't have any other really high damage attacks. At higher difficulties, that means he mostly needs to peck enemies down with low to medium damage attacks rather than knock them down in one or two hits like the best heroes can.
Spidey is a sleepy. Early and midgame I was clearing ultimate 3 mission in 1 turn without any troubles. This is with just random un-upgraded cards and no mods. Late game using the build I showcased, he just smashes flat out. I do remember having a growing pain moment on him where I was struggling to "like him" as a hero. Something was off. This build completed that and he's now a top 5 hero for me.
@@LynxStarAuto You need to watch my other videos then. Scarlet witch is Top 3 character in the game 100%
No disrespect, but wtf is Magik doing in C tier? Magik is quite arguably the best character in the game, and certainly the best DPS.
Go watch my video on her to see my reasoning. Links in the description.
Also I believe I placed her in B tier. You saw her I unmodded ranking.
I really don’t like using spider man, feels like the weakest hero in game
You should take this down, marked doesn't work like that anymore.
Was curious to know what you meant and googled it.
Marked is supposed to refund a card on kill. People are saying it’s bugged now?
So what does mark do now? Nothing!?
If it’s a bug it’s up to the developers to fix it, not for me to delete all my videos which include mark target discussions.
@Channel5Gaming What he means is that Spiderman web throw and up here no longer applies mark as an aoe, only to the main target.
@@Channel5Gaming DONT remove anything. This is the best source on this game and frankly, we dont deserve these vids.
I personally like using THWIP! to get rid of protections, but otherwise, I usually unequip it