The WORST Character in Marvel's Midnight Suns
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2022
- Breaking down why Wolverine might be the worst character in Marvel's Midnight Suns and the cards and abilities that make him difficult to build around.
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Fun fact: there’s a Cyclops Was Right shirt for the Hunter.
@@TheOrderofDylan ofc, he is one of the best x-men out there!
Cyclops would work as a glass-cannon damage dealer in this game lol
I think Robbie might be worse by nature of tossing your hand, hurting himself, and just taking galaxy brain foresight to maybe come out ahead
He only needs a skilled player. His kit and enemy repositioning is even superior to magik, whos damage output is even worse.
@@Indipender limbo's grasp makes magic one of the most cracked damage dealers in the game
@@antiheroz3056 roflmao. She's not even sub-par. Tbh I don't really know who is the best, but iron man or venom are tons ahead of her.
Ghost rider is broken in the right hands. If you never use his soul drain correctly then of course you fail at using him. My Venom is easily the most powerful on my team. If I get his ult at the beginning or fairly soon I can wipe the whole map with just him.
@@8palmsdigital and then Storm came out, and they forgot to made her Legendary properly exhaust for full patch cycle rofl :P
Even with exhaust on Hell Storm she is a "force of nature" if modded for self draw.
Crazy. You use him completely differently than I do. I have found him to be my best character next to Hunter. For me, he tanks just fine, especially when he can get himself back up with a free movie. However, his main strength is that he generates a ton of heroism, and that is used to build up his (and other people's) ultimates.
Yea, Wolverine makes great synergy with that AOE healing/damaging heroic of Hunter.
First: this game really does a great job ballancing heroes - i cannot really say there is a bad one.
Second: WHAT? Wolverine is great character who saved me multiple times by just being able to tank bosses while killing their 1-hit minion reinforcements. His regeneration ability is awesome (especially if you compare numbers with f.e. Captain whos blocks give much lower values). When supported with heals from Hunter (especially his AOE heal/damage ability), Wolverine is awesome PLUS he has a reviving card. Of course, you cannot expect him to tank everyone at once - do not try to taunt every enemy on map AND try to kill as many 1-hit mobs as possible.
I would say Wolverine is awesome if played right.
not awesome but definitely more than playable/viable. After completing game many times I started using mods (Zedd's balance patch combined with all difficulty mods that exists on nexus, and only one mod that makes things easier - the one where deadpool builds en fuego a lil' faster. And game can be still challenging (for the first 15-20 days you may run into some unwinnable missions so you have to pick and chose, but as soon as you upgrade your cards, and espec. when you get mods going - it's a steamroll. I know now you can customize your NG+, I just used to use "clean NG+ with 0 champion levels carryover and experience stops at lvl 25 and I had fun with the game again)....
I'd recommend to anyone who loves the game but finds it too easy to try out these mods.
I think Wolverine would be much stronger if the lifesteal given by berserker can apply to the counter attacks. Until then, Wolverine is hardly playable in higher difficulty as he can hardly tank the damage. Another issue for all tank caracters is that some caracters like Hulk can simply clear the whole board along with the items provided by doctor strange in one or two turns which makes you have no need to bring a tank at all. Regarding this, cap is the best tank character in my opinion as he can draw lots of cards which is kind of awkward for a class called 'tank'.
I mean if u got the resources make both his upgraded beserkers Free with an ability modifier
I have wolverine lv 25 elite lv 6 I use the most because one of my best ones I do a lot of side missions and I’m on ultimate level one difficulty out 3 almost playing on hardest one
Yeah it'd be nice if life steal procced when he counters like Captain America can regain block when he counters
@@homunculus7 cards that draw cards, like Berserk cannot be modded free, BiS is +2 heroism or conceal on redraw if you are conceal abuser, I tend not to use it since I think it's too powerful even for U3
I was amazed you couldn’t do that. It was so obvious to add the lifesteal to his counter attacks
I can confidently say Wolverine is no longer the weakest link in Midnight Suns.
Deadpool has eclipsed him significantly. En Fuego is a worse version of Binary. Yes, Carol gets knocked out of Binary too easily. But at least it's *usually* 2 hits. So you can plan for it. And you know if you taunt with her, there's that cost.
Deadpool gets sneezed on by a minion, and En Fuego resets. I don't think of using his taunt to draw hits off other characters. Rather it's strictly to give him resist so he can take 1 hit without losing his stack.
Then we have his healing factor. Worse than Logan's. It is literally not enough to give him 1 more hit of survivability on Ultimate levels. Whereas at least Logan's redraw gives you a 1 additional hit, and the chance of drawing his full heal. Which is a free play. Deadpool doesn't have a self-heal. Some healing factor.
So Deadpools en Fuego works of off characters like Captain marvel and wolverine because taunt takes that attention off of him
Na I thought the same thing. And yes dead pinata sucks until you mod it and add bleed or something.
But don't sleep on DP. Upgrade all his guards. Team him up with a character that can taunt. He has a taunt ability that can get him like 4 resist and a counter or some shit.
When u play Deadpool u just gotta focus on keeping damage away from him. He shines on vampire missions and anything with waves of enemies or enemie respawns. U can build up and pop off some crazy shit with dead pool. But u gotta play him right.
Yeah no Deadpool is far better than wolverine. HEY F#@$FACE is an op card. And his dps outshines wolverine by miles
Oooo this makes sense, Wolverine is good on normal difficulty. However, on harder difficulties , heroic 3 and ultimate 1-3 , he is not able to soak the damage. He has a chain AOE taunt that is great but the amount of punishment he needs to withstand will K.O him in 2-3 turns. Hulk and Captain marvel fairs a morbillion times better then him.
I also believe Blade is underwhelming as well, his bleed doesn’t stack on top of one another , he needs a rework at his damage over time mechanic since his play style relies heavily on bleed , he is a flimsy lackluster damage dealer that can be K.O easily as well.
UPDATE:
If you're watching this video after the Season Pass DLCs dropped, just know that yes: Deadpool is worse. My general thoughts on Wolverine still apply.
(Also I literally lost my voice in the middle of recording this so I apologize if I sound a little off.)
No worries Dylan, I thought the audio was crisp 👌
Appreciate the video
Captain marvel is a powerhouse beast even at ultimate difficulty , with buff spell support from doctor strange , she excels greatly at getting elite enemies attentions
Lol yeah… Wolverine isn’t the worst character in the game nor is he bad at all. I really just comes down to using him correctly.
First, as with any character, you need to consider modifications on cards which will effectively mitigate the absurd advantages that AI gets on harder difficulties. A lot of wolverines cards can get “Weak” which can effectively start to limit some of the incoming damage he’s taking. On top of that, if you’re playing wolverine on higher difficulties, you should have already considered bringing a character along that can grant wolverine healing, block, cure etc. Wolverine is best at spreading damage around or softening a high hp target for your primary dps to clean up. Getting the “apply marked” mod on his chain strike helps to setup the current and next turn worth of card plays.
Secondly, composition matters if you’re trying to play efficiently. Wolverine pairs well with Nico you can grant him buffs through her blood magic card, heal with Restore, and use double up and empower to bolster his chain damage.
Additionally, playing Wolverine is a pure tank like Captain America is objectively wrong. You shouldn’t be worried about him generating block to take more damage but rather using wolverines damage to effectively clear the field or take out important enemies. Wolverine can apply status effects with little to zero heroism and heal himself without card plays AND revive himself with his own card. That fact that wolverine can be effective with a couple card plays is essential if you have to pump card plays and redraws like Iron Man, Blade, Magikk etc. the taunt isn’t a bad thing simply because it is far better if Wolverine takes the heap of damage and negative effects and potentially survive than that damage being spread to your support or dps. Wolverine is far more valuable because there are little to no revives on higher difficulty without using a Phoenix Down combat item. Speaking of combat items, healing, the concealing combat item, utility belt, and more combat item make Wolverine far more efficient just as they do with any other character. I personally would rather have wolverine over Captain America and Captain Marvel because he can do more in the least amount of card plays and revive himself and consistently self-heal.
Furthermore, Wolverine has a particular strategy style that is clearly different from the other tanks. He’s gonna to seem bad if you’re not using him correctly or even apply the right mods to your cards to amplify his play style.
Here’s my pushback: if I have to apply the perfect god mods to make him effective, does that really make him good? You can say this about any character, it shouldn’t come down to modifications to suddenly make them way more useful.
Bringing a healer to support him isn’t really efficient, why should I be burning abilities and card plays to keep Wolverine upright, especially when what he’s doing while alive isn’t enough to tear through the enemy team? If I’m going to do that, I might as well bring the Hulk since he does significantly more damage.
He just doesn’t compare to Captain America at all. Cap can do more to mitigate damage and his cards consistently draw more cards to help cycle through your hand.
I’ve had good missions with Wolverine, but most of them involved him in an off tank role with a Cap carry, or someone else doing most of the work while he applied a debuff or two. There are other contenders for “worst” but he just does nothing particularly well that makes him worth playing when you have so many options.
@@TheOrderofDylan well here’s the counter to that argument, you’re implying that he isn’t useful before the right mods. The tanks job is to absorb damage. Wolverine can taunt better than any other tank in the game but like you said it’s at a cost of not being able to generate block or resist himself. No matter how you play a turn someone is gonna take damage and this is even more true as you go higher in difficulty. I would much rather have wolverine absorb all the dps and revive himself after apply a bunch of status effects and keep my other two characters full hp with no negative effects than granting a small amount of block to everyone which will eventually break in one attack. This is also assuming you get the right cards at the right time.
You should have a healer regardless because it’s inevitable that you’ll take damage assuming you are not finishing in one turn. Hulk requires an immense of heroism to do what he does where as wolverine can do so with a little. I don’t need Wolverine to do an immense amount damage when you have high single target dps like Blade or Hunter who can essentially do the bulk of the damage. The damage needs to be relevant enough to setup for following card plays which what he does. To me, it’s fine if Wolverine dies if that also meant that he drew so much aggression from the enemy that my other to characters took little to no damage. Wolverine has the only self-revive in the game and there’s a reason for that. If he doesn’t die, one dark heal, restore, or berserk into eviserate, lethal pounce, chain strike, Or midnight special can negate all that damage he took. Captain America and Marvel are completely different because if they die on a higher difficulty like Ultimate 3 you are gonna have to restart. There are times where you get a hand where you are just not setup enough to stop all the incoming damage and you don’t have enough redraws to compensate. Wolverine, if he took most of the Aggro, can essentially save you a turn like Magikk can with her heroic ability.
Harder difficulties penalize you more for every turn that the opponent gets to make which is why I say getting as much dps and status effects out early is better. Also, you are still burning card plays to setup captain americas tanking strategy 3-4 card plays when I only need 1-2 plays to make sure that wolverine is gonna take majority of the damage so that I can spend the next 6 card plays focusing on dealing as much damage as possible to complete the objective. To me it doesn’t matter if wolverine dies if that means I can revive him for 2 plus get an immense amount of card plays between a turn or two.
Like you said you need to play tactician, dig in, and best defense to draw more cards and get defense rolling where as you can optimize that more by having combat items and dps cards in your hand that will help to clear the screen. And if you made certain cards “free” you get penalized by not generating heroism which is a trade off because a lot of the best dps cards use heroism. I have my cards setup to where I should almost never have to redraw because the effect of playing them or keeping them for the next turn would work out better. If I do have to redraw, that card would heal my wolverine even more than I probably initially did a card play or two before or that redraw can used to apply more dps or status effects that can be used to snowball into my next turn.
All I’m saying is the same way you optimized your deck to have Captain America play in a style that suits your strategy perfectly can be done with wolverine as well.
If we are considering higher difficulty, having an optimized deck, team composition, and proper usage of combat items all matter. Every character can be effective especially when you can consider training bonuses, prestige exp levels and prestige friendship levels. The perspective you have on Wolverine isn’t entirely wrong but there are clear gaps in what you’re missing about his core gameplay which makes him unique from Captain Marvel, Hulk, and Captain America.
The objective of wolverine is to soften enemies through chain attacks and draw as much aggro was possible because he can self-heal, self-revive and cure himself. Again you can apply marked, weak, and vulnerable to his chain cards at a percentage so there’s a variety of ways you can use him. On lower difficulties, there isn’t a huge necessity for optimized mods to get value out of Wolverine but that’s also true for any character.
@@aries148 late to the party, but I have to disagree. Wasting a turn just heal wolverine feels backwards.
And yes I agree with the video, why play wolverine when everyone else is just better.
Trust me tho I'm disappointed in the way they handled him. But it is what it is.
Hunter's heal can roll up to plus 3 resist, and draw cards when over healed, nicos restored won't be discarded if healing below half. So if you can try to see that in comparison to wolverines self heal, it feels like ass
I noticed many of your card rolls are pretty bad in this video. I agree that Wolvie is kinda underwhelming at times, but many of his card rolls grant health on redraw, paired with his passive each card redraw basically gives double healing that is actually pretty neat. I rolled resist on redraw for Berserk, double heroism for Lethal Pounce, and double damage for Eviscerate. You have a very nice roll getting counter on KO for Quick Swipe that I wish I have though. I would recommend putting in another Rapid Healing with redraw rolls and take out Stink of Fear cause you don't need more taunting when most of his cards already got that covered.
Wolverine is quite strong when modded correctly, I would se he is on top of A tier with mods, absolute D tier without mods. Even modded tho, he does need one consumable card to really shine (Marking enemies) because chain cards can't be modded quick. But he can dish out DPS and clean up maps alone when modded correctly
@@AskZch in ultimate 3. I doubt it
@@funnfungusie9622 on Ultimate 3, chain swipes for the ween, that apply weak with his passive can really save you, but I don't suggest you play him as a tank, play him as Midnight Special bot, mod +2 heroism on berserk, and IIRC Lethal pounce can roll +1 heroism, taunt , you strengthen him with pounce and slam the MS
P .S. I've been playing nothing but U3 for last 4 months and I logged >1200 hours in this game ;s
@zch Damn, all right I'm suprised.
Ooh interesting analysis! I just got up to Part 2 and unlocked him, and seeing him used in story-mode battle against Fallen Sabertooth I felt like his spread abilities were lackluster compared to say Spider-Man, with the taunt drawing way too much damage to mitigate. (Playing on Heroic 1) Great vid btw! Can't wait for more :D
I feel like you could straight up double Wolverine's damage, and he wouldn't feel over powered. For "The best there is at what he does" he seems like he has some of the weakest hits in the game.
Because damage is not what he does lol. He can be a great tank capable of killing mobs and tanking everything else. Combination of his passive (health regen when rerolling his cards), his lifesteal ability and buff that gives block when rerolling a card makes him great tank. Just pair him with someone who deals damage (f.e. Captain marvel who can be binary while Wolverine is taunting everyone) and you will be just fine.
Great video! I completely agree that Wolverine’s tanking and damage are on the low side making him a niche character and that’s a shame. But, I do think he can play into an effective debuffer role with the right team mates.
I’ve had a great amount of success pairing him with Cpt Marvel and Scarlet Witch while also using Nico or the Hunter for heals.
Captain Marvel is a good choice because her damage and block while binary is high and once Wolverine’s pulled aggro with his taunts she can take some heat away by taunting on her own.
Scarlet Witch is a good partner for providing resists to Wolverine. Wolverine can taunt a high damage enemy and then Scarlet Witch can save him from taking a big hit.
Two other bits of advice for Wolverine are capitalizing on Stink of Fear+, Rapid Healing+, and Lethal Pounce+ in conjunction with counterplay and healing items. Lethal Pounce gives Strengthened if you put all the chains into one enemy. This lasts until his next turn so if you give him counter through an ally skill or with evicerate then he can strike enemies attacking him. Add lifesteal to this and he can heal through most attacks from enemies. Vampiric essence and the Berserk skill help, but essence is free and more reliable.
It’s a shame he’s not as well tuned as the other heroes.
I kinda think he's meant to die. Taunt everyone. Die. Come back with his own card. Repeat. If you think about it, it fits the character pretty good. I'm thinking Deadpool will have a similar kit only with guns
That is without a doubt the only possible conclusion after playing Midnight Suns, specially on the highest difficulty.
There isn't a single niche Wolverine occupies that he's good at. He's a bad tank, a bad damage dealer, bad utility and bad crowd control. He sucks
I actually disagree. I find Logan, Nico, and Peter to be S tier characters. I definitely want them if I'm facing a Nest Mother. His ability to Chain is undervalued. Plus, being able to deal extra damage to enemies with block, is huge. Being able to heal and with many cards applying different status effects, makes him one of the strongest characters in the game.
I used him to tank much differently. Taunt the field then use his quick slash (modded) to get concealed. The enemies just sat around doing nothing.
Wolverine needs a little more work on his cards for him to be great, that being said I don’t think you mentioned how he can gain 1 strengthened when you full combo his leaping pounce card on a single target which is incredibly useful for dealing dmg, I was also able to roll taunt and increased heroism on a single leaping pounce which I’d consider a god roll cause then I just replace chain swipes and the only thing I’m loosing out on is 1 weakened which isn’t much, the potential to have 2 strengthened before popping berserk and eviscerate or his ultimate is the way to go.
I don't know if he's the worst character per se, but I will agree he is the worst tank. You really have to be careful how much aggro you take with him. I think one change that could really help him is allow Berzerk's Lifesteal to last until the player's next turn. That way, if you use Stink of Fear which gives him Counter, he can recover health as the enemies he taunts attack him during their turn. He really needs some buffs to be a more convincing pick, for sure. He needs to be solid without having to rely on mods or the buffs of teammates.
Edited: Berzerk should last until the player's NEXT turn.
Idk why I thought Stink of Fear was going to be my favorite card pre-launch
Mod concealed on it 👍
Wolverine specializes in always being a support in any situation needed.
He can be a good off tank
He can be a good off dps
He can be a good off support
For tanking, Stink of Fear to apply weak is great to an area around him. Rapid Heal is good for removing any status effect on him, the health part is nice but the cure is where its at.
With Full combo on his chain he can either concentrate his damage on a singular target for a bonus, or you the chain to spread out damage.
His redraw mechanic is good if you build into it, alot of my cards I have him "redraw to gain resist, or redraw to gain heroism" so not only does he heal, but he does something else.
Unlike the other tanks in the game wolverine can adjust and play mutliple styles.
Meanwhile Captain Marvel and Captain America are very singular in approach as they have a specific playstyle
I'm seeing all kinds of insane things in this comments saying stuff like doctor strange is a the worst character etc. Wolverine is very good and Dr strange is easily one of the best characters in the game. Maybe playing on lower difficulties skews perception a bit but saying wolverine and strange are the lowest tier characters is just wrong. Block and resist are forms of dmg mitigation. You know what else is? Weakened...guess who can inflict that easily? Yeah wolverine. You're just looking too surface level and not factoring in what his actual designed role is. Wolverine is not captain America, he isn't supposed to AoE grab every enemy in the arena and face tank it. He's good at grabbing a few elites or a boss though. I agree with your claim that on higher difficulties tanks are a little nerfed because of how hard enemies hit. However it is still possible to tank with decent builds, and if you're going to say wolverine is bad because tanks struggle on higher difficulties then captain America would be the worst character because that's all he can do. Captain America is one of the most broken characters btw. The worst character especially as you climb difficulty is Scarlett witch. Now go compare her and what she does to wolverine and come back and tell me it's the same thing
Make some good points
Wolverine is also the only character than can revive in ultimate 3 without the Phoenix feather item
It’s clear that you are one of the few ppl here who understands the true meta game at Ultimate 3.
*gives a firm handshake*
I don't know bout that cause scarlet witch I be having the enemies attacking eachother worst person to me is blade
I think Wolverine is the 4th weakest. for context, I run him with Nico and Robbie. his redraw allows me to heal him passively while looking for more impactful cards for Nico or Robbie to play. and that allows me to use my heals on Robbie who needs them to continue doing his damage abilities. I believe Spiderman is the worst character in the game. his damaging cards are too weak to play him that way and his environmental buff isn't enough to justify bringing him. Wanda is the second worst. her damage numbers just aren't high enough. a small buff to those and she will be good. Blade is the third worst just because of how much setup it take sometimes to do anything with him.
Is speaking ill of Wolverine how you get cancelled Dylan? 😂 For real though, it's a shame Wolverine isn't great, especially since he's such a beloved character.
He’s just disappointing. You expected straight As, and he brings home a C in Geometry.
Wolverine and Scarlet witch both seem to have been ultra nerfed before released. During the closed beta they were absolute monsters. I have no idea why...
... odd. At Heroic 3 I bring him -a lot- and he works just fine for me. A lot of the time, he actually murders things really well, and he's -excellent- at taking things off another character while setting up for my hunter to deliver the killing blow.
If you kit your hunter to be a full support paladin with strong healing cards , wolverine can survive for a good period of time with your heals.
Just as long as not every enemy on the battlefield is targeting him
Yeah. I use my hunter as a mix of damage and support. And I only have 2 taunt cards in Wolverine's deck. Or maybe 3. it might be just my playstyle but he just works for me
I modified the chain attacks with mark which allows me to really clean up with iron man with multiple turns also iron man can place armor on wolverine and with his weak attack it helps mitigate damage
If the deck you use for Wolverine is the one seen at 00:45, it's clearly "not working". Wolverine is at his best by repeating a three-step cycle:
1) Do damage and taunt many enemies.
2) Take (massive?) damage from the enemies taunted.
3) Heal by using Berserk.
If you don't have Berserk in hand, you don't even start the cycle. In that case you'll simply use his abilities to finish off enemies
Berserk is the key.
It's better to have two Berserks in the deck. Just as to have many chain + taunt cards. Particularly Eviscerate.
Avoid single hit ability like Power Slash (there are other superheroes more specialized in moving enemies), or Piercing Slash (buy the bullet-item if necessary) .
Rapid Healing should also be avoided. Especially after unlocking the ability to heal by using a movement point.
Again, Berserk is the key.
Berserk allows you to attack and heal at the same time.
Personally I don't even use the Midnight Special. Too random. Better Eviscerate: it's cheap, does targeted damage, taunts and gives counterattack, which is essential when taunt enemies.
I only use Stink of Fear if I find the improvement that makes it free to play.
With a balanced deck, Wolverine is one of the best tanks on the team... Maybe the best
You made some really good points. I played the whole game on Normal which was just enough of a challenge for me especially that final mission. Captain Marvel and The Hunter really carried me through the game. I liked Wolverine, but yeah him taunting everything got him killed several times. I'm not really sure who the weakest character for me would be. I probably used Ghost Rider, Nico, and Magik the least.
I severely underutilized Nico in my first playthrough but I’m going to be exploring her more moving forward. Again that’s what makes this game great, there are so many viable characters it’s easy to ignore a few.
@@TheOrderofDylan Yeah, I didn't really understand Nico or Ghost Rider well until doing the THREAT room challenges. It would be cool to play with the characters I barely used more.
Magik is GOATed. She’s like, easily the best DPS in the game, or right up there with Iron Man.
@@stevenobrien7686 is this sarcasm?
@@johnparagon-projectnifty1839 Not at all. She's monstrous.
One of Wolves cars can be rolled for a free play that allows him to counter. I also follow that with a strength card. Wolve often clears the map with his ultimate move. You may have to support him but thats all of the charcters.
Best wolverine video I’ve seen. I’m just not starting to play on ultimate 2 and I’ve noticed everything you just said about him. I’m going to just concentrate on me marvel or captain America.
After playing this for a month and revisiting this video... my top are:
Carol, Hunter, Blade, Strange, Ironman.
That's basically team annihilate.
And Wolvie... man I'm so disappointed in him. Terrible passive and regen sync. His attacks are underwhelming, and why does he look and move like a tweaker?
It's like every time he attacks it looks like he's having feral convulsions. In fact, if you listen closely I think he screams "I SMELL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETH!!!!!!!!"🔥 💉When you activate his rage.
I think all the characters are viable with proper team comp and especially after unlocking the card mods ability
I haven't played Midnight Suns, I don't have a PS5 yet. I am considering to play this many times using different themed teams like Avengers, All-Women, ...and.... X-men. So that means if I'm going to play X-men team I would use Wolverine as a tank. With Wanda (Scarlett Witch) as healer and Magik as Damage dealer, and the Hunter as Battle Healer (Healer/Dps hybrid).
Maybe I just need to select one of the other Tanks (hulk, Cap America, Cap Marvel) as backup along the way.
This was quite disappointing news to hear. Wolverine was probably one of it not the most anticipated Midnight Suns character. His skill set is perfect for turn based combat in theory. Thank you for the awesome content 👏hopefully we’ll see some reworks soon
Tanking in this game in general is just terrible. So characters built around the practice will just generally be lackluster.
The problem is you only have 3 squad members who all share only 3 turns. Your options are limited, and enemies plentiful. So you need all the offense you can get. Your tank has to be able to dish it as well as receive it.
That's where the problem lies. I much rather spend my turns taking out the threat than building up? Just for the enemy to wipe it out on their turn 👎🏽
The issue with tanking is you absolutely *need* block in order for it to be viable at all. And Cap is the only one who can consistently stack it. Carol can, to some extent, but losing block goes against her strength.
I dont have Wolverine yet, I did do that one mission when he showed up. I thought it was odd that I didn't get him right away. I wonder if they used him to entice people to get the game, because if you think about it he's cheap version of Blade, Spiderman, Hulk. You would think with his claws he would have better bleed cards than Blade, agility almost as good as spider man, and healing factor better than Hulk. That would make him probably the best character in the game and its not even close to being a main character.
I think all his claw attacks should have bleed, but no heal from it. K.O.'s heal half damage, if full health then to defense. On some of these attack cards also on K.O. he can have an extra move for no cost. So he chain kills 3 enemies, heals for 50% of total damage and gains 3 moves he can use for environmental attacks. I dont look at him as a tank, I look at him as dps, that does more total damage by staying alive longer and getting more hits in than everyone else. Oh just thought of this... have a card called "i smell blood" when the enemy 25% or less health his chain attack does double damage, but it only works on enemies 25% or less.
He's bad but it's a close tie between him and scarlet witch. Wolverines can be used in certain missions with nest mothers or vs soul linked enemies and do just fine if you use their blood hunger against themselves and if you use situational cards from support heroes wolverine can be effective but yes you gotta put a lot of effort to get an average comp using wolverine almost as an iron man and make him the star, (dr. Strange vishanti which also sucks unless you're using lots of chain and quick attacks) which isn't really worth it when there are so many more heroes to choose from
I use him to add weakened to enemies. Rolled that on many of his cards since they chain.
Definitely his ability to chain debuffs is what makes him most useful.
So I gotta respectfully disagree for a few reasons. I've been playing on Ultimate 3 and tbh I think Wolverine is fine. His thing is reducing the enemy's atk power via Weak and tanking the reduced dmg. He's not Captain America (we'll get to that), he doesn't just eat attacks with block. You have to Weaken the enemies about to hit him then heal back up with lifesteal the following turn. One of the MAJOR things you omitted (unless I missed the part where you talked about it) was Stink of Fear, arguably his best card. It lets you mass taunt a group, weaken them, give Logan counterattack, and gives you heroism. It is such a huge part of his arsenal and not using it is tantamount to handicapping yourself. He is great at clearing minions, he is great at debuffing elite enemies, he is great for keeping softer characters like Nico, Iron Man, or Strange from getting hurt by drawing the attention to himself, and he has one of the better Legendary cards in the game. Sure, the dmg number on his cards isn't anything to write home about, but it's death by a thousand cuts. Mass chain attacks+mass debuffs wear the enemy down much more than you're giving it credit for.
Now, if we're going to say he's bad because Captain America is better then basically every character sucks outside of Hunter, Strange, and Magik. Cap is the best (Non-Hunter) tank in the game AND a top 3 support since he can dish out Block and let you draw cards non-stop, he has good dmg, and he can also dish out weak. Cap is also VERY easy to use, where as Wolverine takes a little more finesse to get going. So yes, Cap is better, but that doesn't mean Wolverine sucks. It just means he isn't one of the 4 best characters. Wolverine to me is the gatekeeper between good characters and bad ones. Ghost Rider, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch (aka the quicktoss/hex mark bot), and Spiderman are all worse than Wolverine and I say him, Blade, and Nico are pretty much equal. He's in a good place and the way they made him play fits his character to a tee. I can't help but feel like you want something with Cap's block and Iron Man's dmg lol.
Lets not even get into team comps. Strange can make anyone with taunt an unkillable tank because after all the taunts you just use conceal and skip the entire enemy turn lol. Bring Nico and you can Double Up Midnight Special after you use Inspire to make it free then Logan can wipe the map, bring Cap and you can finally give him that coveted block and weaken the entire enemy team no problem. Even the less good characters can excel in the right team comps, so I don't think any of them are just outright useless.
Seriously, if anyone reading this is struggling with Wolverine make his job during missions this:
-Clear Minions
-Debuff Elites and Supervillains with Weak
-Use his taunts to pull pressure off softer damage dealers and support heroes (Strange, Nico, Iron Man, etc). Make sure you weaken them especially on U3, 3 hits can kill most characters so it's VITALLY important you use weak to let him take more dmg.
-Heal up via Berserk, Hunter, or whoever and worst case if Logan gets KO'd you get one free revive (although I do wish it didn't cost heroism)
-Rinse Repeat
Wolverine for me became at least A tier for one reason he gets a personal revive that doesn't take a card slot so for Ultimate 3 if you have him and a Phonix revive you can bring back 2 characters and that saved the mission so many times for me
Its true, modding wolverine made him like 5x better. Plus ive leveled his friendship so much that his stats are huge, i play on max difficulty and easily solo every mission with wolverine. But its definitely from mods. I have weak modded on eviscerate to apply taunt and weak. Free on stink of fear, and gain 2 redraws on both my berzerks. Got quick on his vulnerable move, and gain strengthened on his quick strike move. Free on rapid regeneration. So i can basically use unlimited moves and every taunted enemy is weakened. Its just going to get easier the more i level up his friendship. Already have him at 60 resilience and 14% willpower. Later ill get him to start with 50% block.
But agreed that cap with no mods right now tanks super good. But my wolverine is just so op right now its so fun.
So wolverine is a character that has a handful of debufs and good damage out put, but still on the lower side. That reminds me a LOT more of a support rather than a tank especially since the only tanking he can do is with his health. Also his passive let's him to stay alive and it let's you to focus on the other characters, something that a support is all about, help the team, with health healing so the debuffing never stops and average dps for when it's time for it .Overall another great video.
Yeah, you need a light side paladin heal support to keep him going. I had a team with 5-7 demon dogs and 3x demon sages on the field and that alone was hectic, my wolverine got K.O once
Many of his abilities not having Bleed is a shame.
I don't agree with this or other videos I've seen saying he is not viable.
For me he's one of my top and fun picks.
The way I use him is like a harasser and staller. If you run "concealed on KO" and then use eviscerate or another multi taunt attack you can taunt everyone on the field and then use quick swipe or power slash with concealed and you get a whole free round where no enemies can attack... And his revive card on ultimate 3 makes him near unkillable and with his passive ability
Boost his resist and always keep a bleed and resistance buff in your supplemental deck
I was wondering why there wasn't a Wolverine deck build video like the others..now I know why lol
I just knew I was going to use wolverine’s in every battle but no.
He pair well with Strange. Atk buff from Strange buff chain cards per HIT. Get free on it and use it to buff Wolverin and he will become killing machine.
Dr Strange is sooooo broken. It's even better than my hunter facing Heroic III
It's weird.
I want to disagree slightly. My issue is that Wolverine seems very card heavy. If you get a hand with one or two Wolverine cards, it feels bad.
But a 4 card Wolverine hand has flexibility and options. I've but block on a bunch of Wolverine cards and it helps but it's still no cap. Wolverine is a jack of all trades and master of none.
That being said, I do believe he is better than Scarlet Witch.
But I don't know how you buff him. If you give him block, or healing, or extra damage he might outpace other champs.
But I'd rather they buff him than nerf iron man
“Master of none” is really what it boils down to for me. I think if he had a mechanic that gave him lifesteal on counters or maybe even the ability to simply heal on turn, which makes sense given the character, would be so beneficial.
@@TheOrderofDylan so my friend in discord had some good ideas.
Essentially shofting his gimmicks from healing and lifesteal.
Redrawing wolverine cards gives you lifesteal(next attack) and/or his revive doesn't have a penalty and cost 0(first time). And change his +2 lifesteal ability to give him either strengthened or block.
I'd rather do more damage or buffs with Wolverine than essentially try to heal myself and not die.
I kinda have the same concerns with Hulk
cant you just use him with captain america and have him and have him draw all the taunt on him with that one card? i dont see what the big deal is. MMS is all about a squad of 3 not just 1.
Marvel's Spider-Man Buns is good caliber game that features raw chain
Very interesting, I play on Heroic 3, at final chapter on game and wolverine ended up being one of my top. I rarely get to the 2nd turn to apply counter, as I regularly finish off the entire screen and it's mainly him. Most of the time my finisher is his ultimate with 8-10 heroism. I just got hulk a couple of days ago and am trying to figure him out because his attacks seem so week until you can get his rage up and I'm out of turns etc, so I think maybe I just have the right cards and right mods for wolverine.
My other faves are hunter, iron man, Nico & Scarlet Witch.
I need to play with Blade & Magic more as I have a harder time with Magic & struggle to draw the right cards to apply bleed with blade. I almost always get the one that draws his generate bleed card on the 3rd turn or so and get his reaper cards early. The couple of times I have managed to use them. Omg it takes out a boss easily but it's so risky to me as I'm trying to just survive till I can get the right cards.
I use blade to apply bleed and then mark enemies.
absolutely agree. i hope he gets buffed in the next patches
You can tell this came out before the Deadpool release because: Deadpool, oof
LMAO. Yeah, I have issues with Wolverine but he absolutely has value compared to Deadpool.
@@TheOrderofDylan Emailing Firaxis to ask if I can get the Food Truck without having to do missions with Deadpool.
I'm only on regular difficulty on first play through but I really hate all the tanks. I never bring them. If I need to live a round I pop darkchylde on magic and clean up next round.
keep seeing peoples videos about Nico being mid tier, and wolverine being the worst. Have you tried Wolverine with Resist 3 modded Blood Magic? Strengthen, Counter, Lifestreal, Fast is all useful, currently swapping between Nico + Hulk + SpiderMan & Nico Wolverine Scarlet Witch on U3 NG+
I’m still gonna probably use him just cause he’s Wolverine. He’s one of my all time favourite comic characters.
I legit abuse wolverines passive by modding his entire deck with the concept of Redraw effects and drawing effects aswell as using cards that help with that. You want cards that refund redraw counts cards that give you good effects on redraws and caers that let you draw on kos or hits
Word.
Also, how can they give Blade good bleed when Wolverine should be the same if not better because of the CLAWS lol
LMAO I thought the same thing. Also a missed opportunity: he could heal at the start of every turn. That should be his passive.
It all depends on the modsz my wolverine is a bleeder and marker with chain attacks.
How would you fix this?
Thankfully I really never cared for meta type builds. I love wolverine as a character and becuase of that I'm going to use him once I unlock him regardless of what people are saying. I feel like if I pair him with doctor strange' damage boosts he can be good.
He seemed to be built more like a support hero then a tank
Makes me sad they nerfed my favorite X-Men character
Unfortunately I agree with you. He sucks. Taunts everything but gets wiped out as he generates zero block
Honestly it kind of makes sense he isn't that powerful when you look at the rest of the Midnight Suns who have a collection of mystic/cosmic/technological capabilities that just outclass a guy with claws and heal.
Yeah, he's tied with Dr Strange. Mostly because Strange didn't fit my playstyle, except for his legendary move
Do not use Quick Swipe, Power Slash, Berserk, and Stink of Fear. Then Wolverine would be good.
This is the truth. Preventing damage will always-always!-be better than healing it after the fact.
Hmm… it’s hard to say who’s the worst because I think all the characters are great when used properly. If I had to say, I would argue that Doctor Strange is the “worst character in the game”. Early game I think strange is good but the further you get into the game, the more you realize that there things in the game that pretty much accomplish what Strange does. Strange’s passive heroism generation is good but you can literally generate tons of heroism with every character with mods that apply plus 3 or 4 heroism on card play and you can reduce heroism cost with mods as well. On top of that, Nico and Hunter (Light) can completely negate the heroism cost all together with inspire or empower. Call to Arms is the best heroism generation card in the game easily so now you only have blessings of vishanti and Agamotto’s Gaze. Blessings of Vishanti falls of late game as well because there’s so many ways to apply vulnerable to enemies and you’re given extra damage from environmental attacks due to maxing out your training meter. Aga’s gaze is good no doubt but I’m not playing strange only for that move when I can play Scarlet and apply marked to 3-4 enemies or use mark mods on other characters or use a combat item to apply marked. Vapors is amazing until you find out that you can get concealed on redraw mod or vial of concealment combat item. Now I can say that is his card that replenishes combat items is probably one of the best cards in the game given how game-changing a combat item usage can bring but again you can always make a new combat item lol. I think the best support in the game is a light-oriented hunter and I feel that what strange brings to the table mods, combat items, and power creep eventually make him obsolete in my eyes. He’s not bad though but I definitely prefer him less than others on the Midnight Suns roster.
You’re crazy. He’s easily the best in the game lol. Or a close second.
@@stevenobrien7686 lol 100+ hours in the game. On my second play through. Strange is not that good to me but he’s not a bad character. I’d much rather have Nico or Light Hunter or even my optimized Scarlett. I will say when I reach endgame on NG+ that I will experiment with the characters I used the least because we have the dlc coming out soon.
The comparison between he and blade is a bit disingenuous. That one extra Heroism is game changing XD. Imo. Nico is both the least and most effective character by nature.
Fair point! I can't hate on Nico like that, though, when Deadpool exists.
@@TheOrderofDylan Can you not make him work either?? I honestly think his cards are just bad at this point minus Mag Dump
Wolverine is still better than blade IMO, i play ultimate 3 and how i play with wolverine is use his taunts and conceal with mods on the card or other ways. He is the only character that i can get KOed and bring back without using phoenix feather.
Yes he is not the best, i feel his card should have little more dmg so he can life steal more HP coz i have to enable berserk as my 1st card play and then use his cards to get the value out of it. berserk should be 2 turns or make it a free card.
his passive should have been automatic regen at the start of a new turn. coz redraws are valuable especially if u have iron man on the team.
Wolverine is great. I actually think captain America is the bunk hero. Just don't need him... I play fucking morbius more than cap. I love wolverine on higher difficulties because he keeps himself alive.
All wolverine attack cards can be modded with on ko gain resist or block also berserk and fast healing too
You kill 1 mínion and the other chain attack you hit a strong enemy to get it taunted and mitigate the damage i saw your vídeos when i started playing and tought you were pro now seems like you half cooked the vids
If you watch some newer videos, people have made wolverine one of the top tier characters that people saying he's bad comes across ridiculous.
I think Captain Marvel is the worst tank character. She doesn't have many defensive skill cards
I have no idea what you're talking about. Wolverine has been literally one of my best characters in the game and one hell of a beast on the field! In order to utilize his full potential, you gotta know what upgrades to apply to his cards and what cards to actually use. There were games, even in the much higher levels, where I go in with 3 characters and I end up wiping everyone out JUST with Wolverine without an issue.
For me, the most useless character in the game was Ghost Rider. I've loved every single one of the characters, don't get me wrong, but he was definitely not used to his full potential. His deck was quite disappointing with the exception of maybe 2 cards. After that I'd say probably Deadpool because of his passive and most of his abilities being very lack luster.
I won't be an ass and dislike the video or anything because there's obviously some effort put into it, but I can assure you Wolverine is probably in the top 3 strongest characters in the game for me personally. I've managed to accumulate around 115h of gameplay in 8-9 days so I'm speaking from a fresh experience!
What difficulty are you on?
So not the best what he does. Someone said that scarlet witch not much good as well. 👍🎅🌲
I think she has a lot of value for AOE, debuffs, and team utility. Tricky to use her, but she’s got unique skills.
I'm sorry, I can't trash on Wolverine like this while Deadpool exists. Deadpool is easily the worst character in the game, due to the fact that his attacks are garbage until you build his stupid Fuego, putting him behind the curve at the start of the game and not getting much better without a shit ton of set-up. I'll take Logan over Wade any day of the week. Logan lives longer, his tank power doesn't fucking Exhaust him, and his Legendary power can shred the board. Yeah, he's not as good as say, Venom, but he's at LEAST better than Deadpool.
Please see the pinned comment.
@@TheOrderofDylan I don't see a pinned comment. Sorry.
I don't like wolverine anyway. I have always been a Cyclops guy.
Some ideas on how to fix wolverine. Instead of berserk giving lifesteal, it gives 1(2) resist and taunts a random enemy.
Instead of healing on discard, he gets passive healing every turn, like cap getting passive block.
Lastly, eviscerate when upgraded gives lifesteal on a full combo.
Deadpool is getting passive on heal.
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Actually, Wanda and Eric are the weakest, not Logan.
It's Robbie.
I thought it was just me. Wolverine do suck in this game.
Bruh, how are you gonna make a video saying that Wolverine is the worst character when Scarlet Witch exists?! Scarlet Witch is a garbage tier character, fight me.
Yeah he’s my favorite character, definitely not buying this game. Hate how marvel craps on the X-men
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The worst characters are Storm, Deadpool, and Ghost Rider ino
? Not dead pool?
How about fare monetization.
I’m sad to see all my Wolvie fan brethren, coping in the comments. He’s absolute trash, straight up garbage tier lol. I think Captain Marvel is way worse than people say too, but still. Wolverine is terrible. His attacks do no damage, he has no way to soak up damage at all, so even if you run him as a debuff bot he can’t survive all the damage he’s gonna take at all.
You know who else dishes out much better group damage, and much better debuff application without taunting everybody? Wanda! And she has support to top it off!
Wolverine should have WAY higher damage or survivability. Or tbh both. But as of right now, he has no real spot in any team on higher difficulties, he just drags your whole team down.
Worst than Blade or Scarlet Witch…good gosh lol
Blade has better single target damage plus similar chain abilities but is ultimately more effective at taking high level units. Scarlet Witch has issues (she’s not far off from Wolverine in my ranking video) but offers a few unique utility skills like Chaos Field and ways of spreading damage and debuffs that are situationally super useful.
I don’t think Wolverine is categorically awful, I think there are almost always better characters than him in most situations.
Have you even tried Deadpool?
He’s tragic. An embarrassment to gaming.
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Well this is super disappointing
Im going to reiterate this for clarity, in the video he says everyone is viable , which i think is very agreeable. However he thinks wolverine is the weakest, which i agree with.
I think dead pool is the worst. I love the game tho.
He’s a strong contender for that crown now.
Update. I was wrong dead pool is great . I clear the board easily with dead pool .
This guy made him work as an S Tier
"watch?v=FvWGjao0VBk"
If you give upgrade his abilities to give him skills that he doesn't get normally he's op