Fender Rumble is always a great, reliable and consistent , but the Boss Katana Bass Amp is really amazing with great tone, thump and versatility for the price point, definitely getting the Boss.
I bought a 25watt rumble for my six year old grandson a couple of years ago and was blown away at how loud and good it sounded for a eight inch speaker! And only $100.
if someone could scrape up an extra $100 I'd strongly suggest getting the rumble 40w as a least for a first amp choice as when it's time to jam with others you'll have the beef ready.
I once played a gig with full band of guitarist, drummer, keyboard, singer and a 30 piece gospel choir using only a Fender rumble 40 watt combo running into the house P.A.. that little amp could seriously pump!
Same here... I was shocked by its versatility and how much more refined its tone is compared to comparably priced combos such as the Fender Rumble, GK MB Series, Ampeg Rocket Bass, Acoustic, etc. The only thing I don't like is that 2 10" speakers won't function when using an extension cabinet... it's either or, not both.
@@marcoanello891 Yeah, there are a few confusing choices made, I must say. I purchased the 110 and it’s very awesome, but lacks any speaker out and both versions should really have Wi-Fi included. I mean come on just include it in the price please. Out of stock at many big online stores so I have to wait to dig deeper into the editing side. I don’t really understand these choices for the amp design, but otherwise so far I’m in love.
I'm in the market for a new bass amp and i was pretty set on the rumble 100, but now you've gone and made me fall in love with the boss katana, damn you
As a guitar player that has played bass as well in bar bands, I think I would want to stick with the Rumble. Straight forward, no messing around, and proven work horse. I am however a big fan of the Katana guitar amps range which have worked well for me in bar gigs. I could see the Katana bass ranger preferred by studio and experimental guys. Most bass effects just get lost in the sound in a live setting. I do not own a Rumble, but know from other guys in the business, and definitely would be interested in getting one.
I currently own a Rumble 100 and don't see the Boss as much of an upgrade. I have never had any issue with the tones I can get out of the Fender (no matter what kind of style I am playing) including a very useful overdrive, and as far as effects goes, I see modelling amps as a false economy unless you think you will keep that amp forever because as soon as you switch to another amp, you lose those effects. I would much rather stay with the model of having a separate amp and pedal board/ FX unit combination so that if I want to use another amp, I don't have to buy everything new at the same time (and then work out how to get the best out of them).
I'm seriously thinking of going for the Katana, I have a Rumble 40 that's kind of worn out now and the Katana was reaaallly nice when I tried it in stores.
Buy it it’s such a great amp I have the 60 and it’s cuts through my guit player 100 watts stock and my loud as hell drummer and it react like a tube amp !!!!!
@@metalliholic oh yeah trust me it is the only thing is you need to tweak your sound between basses and for this for someone who just want to plug and play it’s a bit tricky but if you don’t mind to have having to deal with a lot of option don’t go with this . To plug and play with no hassle go with a rumble 200 it’s more straightforward. But the katana reactive wise and tone wise is more bang for a buck.🤘🏻
I bought one it’s cool yeah it’s loud yeah user friendly????NO NO NO change between basses and you have to readjust all the freakin knobs especially if you have a passive and active . Then we’ll guys hear this 2 weeks using it and half to effects are busted the amp didn’t leave the house and brought the amp in the box with car at home . Now the effects sound like a computer fart 💨. I’m changing it tomorrow for a rumble 200 and I should have trust my ambiguity…. It’s a new amp who knows if there will be problems in the long run. Trust me if this thing breaks after warranty your screwed. Don’t want to think how much it will cost . It’s a good studio amp when needed. Plug and play amp no not at all. Your are gonna play with these buttons
Living in SoCal all of my life, I've always been a huge Fender fan. I just got the opportunity to play bass at my church so what did I go for? Fender Rumble 500. It sounds amazing, plenty loud, and has just the right amount of controls, plus a line out to an external board/PA. I couldn't be happier!!
I have a Fender Rumble 100 and I absolutely Love-it. Nice big, full, deep Sound = "Without breaking my back" or "Getting a Hernia" - those days of Marshall Stacks are Over. No one allows you to play at that volume anymore (plus) it's a drag Carrying: to-and-from the gig. Lightweight, Portable & Great Sound is the way-to-go.
I honestly expected to prefer the Rumble, because the whole everything modeling vibe doesn't seem like what I want for bass, but the vanilla sound of the Katana was much more my thing. (Disclaimer: I tried a Rumble way back when I was shopping and bought a MarkBass combo instead.)
I keep looking for a slightly easier to carry amp than the Markbass combo but sonically it's just so great! I can add all the effects and modeling I need with my own effects.
I've always been a firm believer. In quality over quantity. The katana looks like a great 21st-century amp built from the ground up. I am sure the bass players who it attracts will enjoy all the features and take full advantage of them. I'm still in the learning phase of playing the bass. My thoughts on my progress are to make it as simple as possible. The Fender Rumble 100 is much more of a focused piece of kit. It will make my progression direct and to the point. Learning tone, timeing, and touch. Not getting distracted by bells and whistles. Less is more.
I agree 💯if your a beginner your need to focus on a good tone work your style and intonation etc all them effects are more to experiments and will distract a beginner player to focus on have a good simple solid technique. Hope you continue enjoying playing it’s such an important part of human life🤘🏻good luck
At certain settings the Boss seemed to have a slight buzz at the end of a note. I have noticed this in other demos. I think the speaker Boss used is the issue here where the tones don't ring clean with clarity on basic tones. I love the features on this Boss, it's a shame. I can't un-hear it.
Mine does this. It's the tolex grill on the front. If I push my hand against it then it stops. I'm going to try to replace it with a metal facing/screen.
I own the Katana 210 and love it.Everybody notice the difference in the sound/tone of class ab watts vs class d even though the Boss amp is only a little over half the power of the Fender.
It seems to me that these two amps target a different type of people, given the sounds and fx they offer. The Fender offers their own stuff, as it is logical, so it may firstly appeal to those who are in their ecosystem already or love their traditional sonic signature. The Boss is more experimental and may appeal to those who don't necessarily need to recreate specific sounds but rather want to make their own and be creative with the options offered by the amp.
Wish you would have included the comparable Ampeg Rocket Bass amp. I bought an Ampeg RB-110 a few months ago and it is very similar to my friends Rumble 50. Nice amp.
Love your playing and videos. I have noticed though, in several of your videos your bass volume coming through headphones is about 1/2 the volume of your speaking parts. At the least, please try to level out those volumes; I need to hear you holding upmthe hottom end. Either that, or let me know if I need to see an audiologist due to loss of hearing in the lower frequencies. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Katana Bass? Interesting. I absolutely love my Fender Rumble bass amp. Considering you get a boatload of features for the extra money, it's potentially a big hit with bass players.
@@michaelgnapp3571 the fender rumble stage is only 800 watt with extension cab. Boss is class a/b and the fender class d and as they are both 2x10 they are almost the same.
@@michaelgnapp3571 actually yeah it will be close as class a/b produces alot more sound/volume at lower watts. Class d like the fender rumble require a lot more watts to get the same volume. Edit prob closer to the rumble 500. That be a better comparison than the 800
@@bdraidian6280 I had a Rumble 800, didn't see the value of a ton of unusable fx, and it came with a damaged speaker. Sent it back in exchange for a Rumble 500 and two 210 cabs. I like the 500 a lot. But... I have 9 Katanas, all the 100w variations. I use them in various combinations for different applications, from jam backline to stereo gig rigs, to 5-Katana immersive surround. I love my Katanas, that's why I'm interested in the bigger Katana bass amp. Kinda waiting to pull the trigger, because I suspect they're gonna bring out an even more powerful head and cabs.
@@michaelgnapp3571 I've never owned any rumbles. I thought about the rumble500 but I don't know. I'm debating between rumble 500, peavey max 300, or this new katana. Can't decide.
All the Katana features are interesting, however, I'm too much a luddite. If I can't just twiddle knobs to find the tone I want, I'm not interested. There's just too much tech in these things nowadays. Heck, my gigging amp still has tubes. And yeah, keep off my lawn ;-)
I voted with my wallet .Boss Katana 210. IMHO the most versatile most complete most sculptable sound and the best quality & most expandable for under $ 1000 Au. And you can definitely gig w the 210 wheras the 110 won't cut it And for those who say it aint loud enough Do you own one or is that just a deluded opinion? If I hog tied you in front of it and it released its full fury @ your face you would scream for mercy & be in therapy for some time after. Also it introduce young players to somehing "new" haha! & NOT class D. What a class A/B amp & a mass loaded cab can do. An amp with wait for it ....headroom & fast transient attack. The rare gift of dynamics. Most bass players seem to like the rumble. I simply didn't & the way the BOSS outclasses EVERYTHING at that price point. It aint no fair fight its a SLAUGHTER. Now the bad news It consumes only 117w So the claim of 160 wrms is once again BULLSHIT. Boss/ Roland hang your head in shame!. The tweeter is a piezo horn and straight up just wired in with NO active X over or ANY x over. So " tweeter out" can only be a high pass or brick wall filter. Cheap & nasty but it works So ALL bass combo manufacturers STOP £UCKING LYING! Because they won't unless we stop them. But overall it STILL kicks ass. An older mate of mine is trading EDEN speakers and an Ampeg SVT 7 pro for this. Does it sound as good ? No, but it can be sculpted to get pretty damn close & he isn't constantly doing his back in carting 40 Kg as opposed to 20. Now argue with that!
You freaking took the words outta my mouth mate Jesus somebody understand the class a/b sound and what are the limit of this amp and what it excels in….. bravo your thoughts were like glazed bacon in my hear everybody loves bacons!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻💯💯👍🏻
I will add this. The amp & speaker combo , separates ,whatever. Is so very personal a choice. There is no way reading this that YOU will get a handle on what YOU like. YOU have to trust your heart & ears & go for what YOU like. That is EXACTLY what every great player did. Just stage dive in. Go for it and the universe tends to catch you.
@@gangrenous77 The most important thing is that comparing a modeling amp like the Katana to a non-modeling amp like the Rumble is like comparing apples and oranges. However, the Rumble Studio 40 and 800 *are* modeling amps, and therefore a more realistic comparison, so they should have picked one of those instead of a standard Rumble for the video.
Boss' Katana range of amps is fantastic, and I genuinely admire what they have managed to achieve. I'd still take the Rumble if I had to choose between these two, but then the only bass amp at this price point that I'm interested in is the Ampeg Micro-CL stack (or pinching pennies to save up for a Micro-VR and 2x10 SVT cab)
I'm fortunate enough to have the Micro-VR hooked up to a 1x15" cab which I mainly keep in the rehearsal studio, and a Rumble 200w combo which I store at home to take out to gigs. Love them both to be honest, and I can get the classic Precision rock sound I need out of both. I got the Ampeg as a low cost replacement for my Little-Mark head by the way - great amp but more for jazz than rock in my opinion.
@@nicolasbeaudry6158I bought two Ampeg SVT210AV cabs, and put a MarkBass Black Line 250 head (class D) on top and it's awesome. But the VR head (class AB) is also very good. But the magic is mostly in the cabs. That said, I'm looking for a different head that lets me sculpt the mids more precisely. And the class AB VR head sounds warmer. The MB BL250 is cleaner. But the "character" knobs are pretty good.
On my crappy PC speakers, the clear winner is the Katana. I'm currently A/B comparing these two on reviews and demos and will be going to the guitar shop this weekend to play them. I love Fender amps but the Boss is setting itself ahead in my mind. I miss Nathan and Lee on All About the Bass more than I miss Chappers and the Captain. But I miss both pairs.
Did you end up getting the Rumble or the Katana? I got the Rumble 800 about six months ago. I mostly play guitar and piano. I didn’t even know. Boss had their own bass amp when I got the Fender.
It seems to me that with the Fender you get much more the sound of the bass itself, with the Katana the sound of the bass is less natural but much more "modern" for sure. They're both really good. I probably prefer the Fender, since I play fink with more vintage or classic bass sounds. But would be nice have both of them... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Exactly..I have a Fender Studio 40 and it's excellent that has built in effects, Amps,Cabs,,200 preset slots,Built in WiFi/Bluetooth..u don't need a Katana gizmo for that either btw..
Because Boss must be offering some sweetners around judging by the amount of Music TH-cam channels gushing over the Katana (and how arsey they get if you dare question the validity and price of these). They are expensive and Boss wants to sell them so they are not going to show anything that makes it look like the overpriced toy it is and upset Boss
Andertons if your reading these comments please do a comparison of the Katana 210 bass vs other 210 combos such as the Fender Rumble 500 210,Ampeg 210 etc.There are so many bass players out there that think the Katana 210 with its 160 watts class ab would not keep up volume wise with other 210 class d combos on the market.You would be doing us all a service to do such a comparison.
The Rumble 40 is actually a good jazz guitar amp. The depth of the cabinet lends a richness to the sound. But it has no effects, not even reverb. So if you already have a Multi effects processor, the Rumble can work for you that way. For bass on this demo, the Rumble sounds better up front with the tone controls flat. That’s because Fender built it to make that sound. The Katana can get that sound, among the many sounds within it… while the Rumble cannot get almost all the sounds within the Katana.
Now I know why bass videos aren't as popular as guitar videos, without proper speakers, basses sound like flapping strings bouncing off of frets and well executed farts! Don't get me wrong, I love bass, but I first listened to this through my phonne, gave up, and had to return to it when I could get to my headphones! Stra'ngely enough, I have a Peavey Special 150, 112 combo that slays for bass, equal to or surpassing either of these amps. Unfortunately, it's also a viable anchor!
I like the both of you! You both are funny and of good, Aura!!! The color Blue on that one Bass is hott! So you two are the Cap and Chappers of Bass? Your guys's Bass terminology versus us electric guitarist terminology, I kind of got lost when you said "drive" and "flat". 😂😂😂
I’m surprised you didn’t compare the Fender Rumble with all the settings, and emulations? Fender Rumble Ver. 2 is the best sounding, but the ver. 3 are more convenient, especially due to the weight. I have a 100 watt Fender ver. 1 and takes almost two people to carry it while my 800 only takes one. You do sacrifice some sound for the weight. Even nicer if you get the one that emulates the older fender bass tones as well as a bunch of pedals packed into one which is what I have. And you can connect it to another cabinet.
@@WillyPDX94 I would say the katana is good for the money… but the only reason to get it over some other very good choices is it’s additional effects. The AB amp thing… yeah it’s often a preferred amp type, but in this instance it’s about the effects and modelling. Think of it like an orange crush bass. I really love them, but I would advice most new players or people just looking for a bass amp to still get the fender or ampeg because it’s a one trick pony. It does the orange sound very well, the ampeg abs fender are more general purpose. Tbh I’m really including fender because it is good and to be democratic, in reality I recommend ampeg most of the time lol.
I must be crazy. Well I actually AM crazy. I swapped out the Katana for an Ampeg Rocket 115. Was I happier? Yeah, for about 5 minutes. Problem being for the princely sum of $100 Au I got my greasy little hands on an 100 wrms class A/B yum yum JBL D130 clone loaded ELKA DM100. Got it as a back up or originally that was the idea. Now I call it the albatros. Because it literally SHITS on everything below $2.5K Au retail new imho. It will remind bass players that the amp/speaker combo is as much a part of your instrument as you are. It responds to my fingers on the strings like a living organism. Its built tougher than a battle tank and looks cool....err in a cheesy kind of retro way 🙄 I kid you not. I own one & dont need 2. So Im spreading the gospel of AWESOME sound for awesomely cheap. I now worship at the alter of Italian cheese. ELKA I Love you 🥰😍🤩 Haaalehluyaahhh Praise the Loooord GALORY BEEYAH TAH JEEEeeeESUS! Caaan I Get an................ Amen! 😇🤩🤯? BTW anybody want an Ampeg Rocket Bass115 brand new w box warranty. The lot for $700 Au?
Watts are watts. Doesn't matter if its a class A/B or a class D or an All-Valve (All-Tube) power section. Watts are Watts (2.83v at 8Ω=1-watt). The class D power sections had some challenges when they first came out in bass amps because they would generate artifacts as they approached their limit. The impression was that they didn't have the headroom of the class A/B amps because the A/B amps didn't generate those artifacts as it approached peak power. However, Class D amps were used in audiophile applications well before they were used for bass amps and they had already developed designs that eliminated those artifacts. What I call the second generation of class D amps from about 2010, had solved that problem, so there is no problem with headroom in modern class D amps by reputable companies. Andy Field of Mesa Subway had a lot of experience with class D amps when he was working in the home electronics design for years before he joined Mesa. So Mesa was one of the very first companies to come out with what I call 2nd generation class D amps - precisely because of his experience in home audio design. The main difference between Class A/B amps and Class D amps besides how they generate the watts, is their weight. I have an Eden WT500/800 amp that was upgraded by David Nordschow (aka David Eden) in 2010 from 500-watts to 800-watts bridged into 8 ohms. In its rack it weighs about 36-lbs. I also have a DNA-800 amp, which is a class D amp that puts out 800-watts into 4Ω. It weighs just 4.8-lbs. and sounds just as good, so you can see why I use it for all my indoor venues. DNA was the company David Nordschow started in ~2009 after he sold and left Eden. It's a superb amp with built-in compressor with adjustable threshold and ratio controls. I use my DNA-800 amp for most venues, but will pull out my big Eden amp for Music Festivals where I'm only using my DNS-410. I use my DNS-210 for all indoor venues small to large because it is a very sensitive cab that will handle 700-watts rms with a max SPL of 134db. My DNS-410 will handle 1400-watts with a max SPL of 137db. If I decide to use both cabs, then I'll go back to my DNA class D amp because it will send out up to 400-watts per cab. Haven't needed to do that but I might want to sometime. I needed to point that out because I keep hearing that the Katana with its class A/B watts is louder than the class D versions because it's class A/B watts. Again there are no "classes" of watts. 1-watt is 1-watt from anyway it's generated - again, 2.83v into 8Ω is one watt. HOWEVER, it can sound louder if it is paired with more sensitive speaker(s). Watts don't make an amp or combo loud by themselves. How they are matched to their speakers will make that difference. When I was touring with a nightclub group in the early 70's, I used a Standel MCIIb/SAM30b piggy back amp that a 215 bass reflex, powered speaker cab. It was so loud I could only turn it up half-way when we were playing in the outdoors in wide open spaces. 9 o'clock was the highest I could run it indoors. It was a 200-watt amp, which was a lot of watts in 1971 and it was louder than the new 300-watt Ampeg SVT fridge or the acoustic 360/361 (200-watts powered speaker cab with 18" folded horn). It was louder than those other superb amps because the amp was matched better to its 15" CTS speakers than the other amps were to theirs (neither of those amps were weak!). When a cab is more sensitive, it takes fewer watts to reach gig levels. Basically, it's a louder cab. So the combination of their watts and the speakers matched to them may make them louder. I'm more prone to believe they are pushing the Class A/B watts myth because they are new at making amps. They've been making effects forever, but not amps. The class A/B amps have been around since the late 60's and are easier to design. Their only drawback is that they are heavy. The Katana 110 is 15-lbs heavier than the Rumble 100. Class D bass amps are comparatively new and they have limitations that have to be compensated for in the design to get the intrinsic headroom the old class A/B amps had. Honestly though, virtually all of the top manufacturers have figured out how to make great amps with that class, just Boss hasn't done that yet. Besides my DNA-800 class D amp, I also have an Eden TN226 class D amp (225-watts into 4Ω) that weighs 4.7-lbs. I got it specifically to play small venues like brewpubs. My big Eden amp has a 12ax7 tube in the preamp running within very specific parameters to generate the warmth of sound that Eden has been known for. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that my little Eden class D amp sounded just as warm as my big Eden amp. They get that same warmth by using a "Golden Ear" chip (THAT-4301) that among other things emulates tube warmth. There's no reason now days that a class D can't sound as good as a class A/B while only weighing somewhere between about 4 and 7-lbs. OK, I was going to stop but then you tried to do the side by side sound comparison using the same settings on both. Problem with that is that the same EQ settings on the different brands could render far different sounds. And there is no "vintage" standard. It all depends on the designer's preference. Usually for the "modern" sound those buttons will boost the hi-mids to get some "edge" to the tone, but again that's open to the designer. Even the same designer may have different EQ's on different models. David Nordschow founded Eden in 1976 and he designed my WT500/800 amp. It comes with a Bass EQ shelved at 30Hz, three semi-parametric controls to cover all three octaves a bass can produce, and a treble to adjust everything from 2.2KHz on up. With my DNA-800 that he designed with his newer company he put the Bass EQ at 35Hz, the low-mid at 500Hz, the high-mid at 2KHz and the treble again adjusts everything above 2KHz. He didn't use semi-parametriccontrols at all. With my passive Jazz bass I always boost the low mids slightly (to about 1:30) and leave everything else flat on my Eden amps. On his DNA amp I boost the low-mids the same amount but also have to boost the bass to ~1 o'clock to get the same sound I get from the Eden amps with the bass EQ set flat. By the way, both of your amps sounded better with the mic than the DI. I presume the DI was a pre-EQ signal. The mic sounded better to me because the cabs make a difference in the sound and the mic picks that up whereas the DI with the flat (or native voicing) signal wouldn't. Sorry if I came across too critical. I enjoyed your video and you really gave a good demonstration of what the different combos sounded like by both going through the DI and by being mic'd. So, overall I'd say, "Well Done" I like the sound of the Fender partly because my first amp was an all-tube 1966 Fender Bassman that I bought in 1966. But the Katana is also a good sounding combo. No question when it comes to the effects the Katana walks away with it all because they've been making great effects for decades. It was a nice run through of both amps. Thanks for putting this out!
Can you get the katana bass amp 60 watt and it’s as loud as a 100 watt fender to the left? I’m trying to find a bass amp for katana that’s loud enough to play a show .. need a friend ha help me pick rofl 😅
Really should use a Fender P and/or J for a bass amp shoot out like this. Everybody knows what they sound like so they can extrapolate more accurately.
I think weight is relevant when gigging and possibly transporting up and down stairwells of rehearsal spaces- especially when you are an ol' fucker like me, it matters! At the end of the day, both amps are amazing in their own right but the rumble is 22lbs vs the 37lbs katana at the same price point. The katana with the modular effects , can spark more thinking-outside-the-box musicality, which is always lovely and probably worth the extra lift power if you're still a fit, spring chicken !
Honestly, I like my bass through my boss katana guitar amp. I don't notice that much difference between that and the boss bass amp. Mine sits next to my rumble:)
What chanel do you play your bass through and can you play loud without destroying the amp ? Genuinely interested as my daughter has a Katana 100W guitar amp and wants to buy a bass and I don`t fancy forking out on another amp for bass guitar .
@@8calm8 only one channel on the 50, amp type set to clean. I think unless she's gigging, she's not going to hurt it. Check out Phil McKnight latest video with the Gibson guy, they run a bass head into a 2x10 cab, no concern. This article warns against it a bit, but the first pic is my Katana 50 input :) So, I've been loud, but not stage loud, so, I can't promise anything
I tried the 210 Katana in the shop the other day and was surprised how good the unaffected sound was. Very loud and punchy. However the effects are of no interest to me and it’s a heavy beast.
The Boss has great tone. But reliability is my concern. Many working bass players have been lugging around the Rumble 500 through lots of gigs and lots of playing hours without any problems with the Rumble. Will the Boss be as reliable, time will tell!
That’s a fact I bought the katana 60 and knew that if this things breaks I’m screwed it will cost an arm to fix a digital amp effect board but so far it’s a killer amp and man loud as hell as loins as my rumble 200 even louder I think 🤔 it’s so responsive you need to try one man🤘🏻
After looking at all the great combos on the market I decided to go with the Rumble 500 for it’s simplicity, the ceramic magnets / speakers and 37 lbs. It was a tough choice though since this BOSS line of combos is very impressive. The Rumble sounds great after a few gigs.
I have the Rumble 100 and Enigama Qballs and the Big Muff as my pedals, when doing jam sessions, I just plug in my Fender P Bass and Pedal board. Too convenient not carry around a amp by just having pedals... IJS
Great playing as usual. Y’all helped me decide on the katana 110 and it’s awesome. I should point out a couple things I missed in your video. The katana 110 doesn’t have a speaker out (the 210 does, but it disables the internal speaker) and and Wi-Fi is supported for the extra features, but only with their Dual Adapter thingamajig for about 60 quid. I thought the katana without effects sounded awesome and definitely much deeper and more full than the rumble, which I considered buying and still think is a pretty good bass amp. But side by side it didn’t seem like much of a comparison to me. The three different amps and the compression included with the katana are high quality and very useable. The 1watt setting is great for apartment living but it can pump out the jams in a thumping way.
I am a new bass player looking for an amp. Was looking at rumble 200/500, hartke 115 500w, boss katana 210 and blackstar 500. Going to guitar center in mays landing to check out what they have. I read a bunch of reviews on the markbass cubes, 100w, saying they had low sound so crossed them off. There are not a ton of reviews on the blackstar though. It's pretty expensive at $730 and no 15'' speaker option. Do you think it is the best of the lot? Would you suggest a head & cab instead?
Well to be honest I totally prefer the Fender Rumble. It is just simple as sh*t, but it has a clear and understandable straight sound in all modes (Flat, Bright, Contour, Vintage). Fender Rumble is more punchy and it's incredibly light weight. I just ordered one yesterday and it arrives tomorrow, I can't wait. I'm gonna use it with a Tech 21 VT bass V2 Sansamp pedal and I think its gonna RUMBLE. I know it because the amp I had before was a Fender Rumble 150 (13 year old). That amp was so brutal in sound, but it was heavy as mud (40kgs). So I decieded to change it for a physically smaller and lighter amp with equal efficiency. For me the Boss Katana was a disappointment, nevertheless it has so many effects built in etc. It feels like a "plastic" sound for me. It's only my honest opinion, unfortunately this combo did not convince me. In case of effects I own some pedals like EBS Octabass, Electro Harmonix Mono Synth, Ampeg Octacomp and Tech21 VT bass V2 Sansamp. Those effects are awesome and provide versatile and natural sounds. Together the Rumble and the pedals are going to be killer. Sorry Boss.. :(
As soon as I heard the fender, I knew that was great. The fender is much quieter in this video, possibly making the katana seem better, but I don't think it is. My impression is that fender has a smooth groove, the boss had a funky groove to it, but the edge in quality was on fender's side imo. Neither are bad and the katana could suit some people much better. Additionally, this test is extremely falsifiable considering different players and different guitars with different amp settings.
Haven’t you missed the point? Why not compare like with like and review the Rumble “Studio” modelling amps from Fender with the equivalent Boss Katana? That would have been much more worthwhile. This is like comparing “apples” and “oranges”
Maybe I’m biased because growing up in Atlanta GA in the mid/late 90’s there was Fender and then there was everything else. Everyone’s dream guitar was an American Fender. I only started playing again since then but I absolutely love everything from Fender out currently. I started with the Rumble 50 but quickly switched to the Rumble Studio which competes directly with the Katana. I absolutely love it. However it definitely has some limitations. I would love to see a comparison between the two, but it would take an awful lot to consider moving away from Fender. For me right or wrong it’s still Fender then everything else. Love the show and I always look forward to a new episode.
I have the 210 and I played a gig with a loud drummer and a guitar player using a Boss Nextone Artist[80 watt 112 combo] in a high school auditorium on a large stage with no monitor support.It was plenty loud and had volume to spare.It should handle any sane pub situation.
so i was wondering is the fender 200 or 500 closer to the katana 160 with output? since i'm not sure how AB and D compare with wattage and output but i do like 2x10's better than 1x15
Man get the katana 2x10 it’s loud as hell responsive like a tube amp and the tone is sick with my active or my passive basses and it kills its as loud as a 500watts class d . The a/b have more headroom and it’s cuts through any guitar stacks and drums🤘🏻👍🏻
That did not sound like a Rumble, certainly not initially (as any Rumble owner will know). When they started tweaking EQ and the sound switched to mic, then more true deep full Rumble character was coming out. But at the start..... Forget it, not a fair representation. Also, not a realistic side by side comparison, when the newer Rumble Stage models 40 & 800 have comparible effects, software options like the Boss Katana. So a pretty pointless comparison. Anyone would think they're trying to sell Boss ?!! 🤣
Don't really think comparing class a/b amps with class d amps is a fair comparison because most people will take the cost/weight reduction of the class D regardless of how "better" the heavier class a/b are. As for me though class a/b katana for the win as I don't gig anymore so weight isn't an issue anymore. The rumble 100 is still is an awesome combo for the price. Tried it in the store and was very impressed.
If you're talking about weight, the Rumble wins hands down. I put a NEO 12 in my Rumble 100, and it weighs 18 lbs. (I also installed batting inside the cabinet). For tone flexibility? IMHO the Rumble wins hands down again.
These two guys can make bass playing through an old transistor radio sound great. I love just listening to these two play!!!
Went and bought a katana bass 210 today for gigs recording and home practice, and couldn't be happier 😊
Fender Rumble is always a great, reliable and consistent , but the Boss Katana Bass Amp is really amazing with great tone, thump and versatility for the price point, definitely getting the Boss.
I bought a 25watt rumble for my six year old grandson a couple of years ago and was blown away at how loud and good it sounded for a eight inch speaker! And only $100.
I bought one to practice with when my $50 headphone amp bit the dust. I love it. Best $100 I ever spent!
Agree 100% - awesome little practice amp
My first amp was an rumble 25.
What an awesome little killer amp for playing home.
The Fender 100 ist epic in my opinion!!
if someone could scrape up an extra $100 I'd strongly suggest getting the rumble 40w as a least for a first amp choice as when it's time to jam with others you'll have the beef ready.
I once played a gig with full band of guitarist, drummer, keyboard, singer and a 30 piece gospel choir using only a Fender rumble 40 watt combo running into the house P.A.. that little amp could seriously pump!
Just got the Katana in, I am blown away with it. Killer amp for the price
What size did you get?
Recently bought the katana 210 and I’m absolutely in love with it.
Same here... I was shocked by its versatility and how much more refined its tone is compared to comparably priced combos such as the Fender Rumble, GK MB Series, Ampeg Rocket Bass, Acoustic, etc. The only thing I don't like is that 2 10" speakers won't function when using an extension cabinet... it's either or, not both.
@@marcoanello891 Yeah, there are a few confusing choices made, I must say. I purchased the 110 and it’s very awesome, but lacks any speaker out and both versions should really have Wi-Fi included. I mean come on just include it in the price please. Out of stock at many big online stores so I have to wait to dig deeper into the editing side.
I don’t really understand these choices for the amp design, but otherwise so far I’m in love.
I'm in the market for a new bass amp and i was pretty set on the rumble 100, but now you've gone and made me fall in love with the boss katana, damn you
As a guitar player that has played bass as well in bar bands, I think I would want to stick with the Rumble. Straight forward, no messing around, and proven work horse. I am however a big fan of the Katana guitar amps range which have worked well for me in bar gigs. I could see the Katana bass ranger preferred by studio and experimental guys. Most bass effects just get lost in the sound in a live setting. I do not own a Rumble, but know from other guys in the business, and definitely would be interested in getting one.
Yep agreed for live rumble is killer I have the katana and it’s a great amp for me though 💯👍🏻
Flat eq:
8:03 - Fender Rumble
8:43 - Boss Katana
Vintage mode:
9:03 - Fender Rumble
9:10 - Boss Katana
Contour/Modern:
9:30 - Fender Rumble
9:37 - Boss Katana
Overdrive:
10:04 - Fender Rumble
10:30 - Boss Katana 1
11:04 - Boss Katana 2
11:21 Boss Katana 3
11:30 Boss Katana 1 (again)
Fiddling with the eq:
12:43 - Fender Rumble
14:02 - Boss Katana
Effects:
17:59 - Boss Katana
Presets:
19:53 - Boss Katana
Internal audio interface:
24:08 - Boss Katana
I currently own a Rumble 100 and don't see the Boss as much of an upgrade. I have never had any issue with the tones I can get out of the Fender (no matter what kind of style I am playing) including a very useful overdrive, and as far as effects goes, I see modelling amps as a false economy unless you think you will keep that amp forever because as soon as you switch to another amp, you lose those effects. I would much rather stay with the model of having a separate amp and pedal board/ FX unit combination so that if I want to use another amp, I don't have to buy everything new at the same time (and then work out how to get the best out of them).
i tried one out in a store, doesnt really sound better than a rumble but goddamn, its so much heavier!
I'm seriously thinking of going for the Katana, I have a Rumble 40 that's kind of worn out now and the Katana was reaaallly nice when I tried it in stores.
Buy it it’s such a great amp I have the 60 and it’s cuts through my guit player 100 watts stock and my loud as hell drummer and it react like a tube amp !!!!!
@@nicolasbeaudry6158 so the 1x10 60watt katana loud enough to practice with a band?
@@metalliholic oh yeah trust me it is the only thing is you need to tweak your sound between basses and for this for someone who just want to plug and play it’s a bit tricky but if you don’t mind to have having to deal with a lot of option don’t go with this . To plug and play with no hassle go with a rumble 200 it’s more straightforward. But the katana reactive wise and tone wise is more bang for a buck.🤘🏻
I bought one it’s cool yeah it’s loud yeah user friendly????NO NO NO change between basses and you have to readjust all the freakin knobs especially if you have a passive and active . Then we’ll guys hear this 2 weeks using it and half to effects are busted the amp didn’t leave the house and brought the amp in the box with car at home . Now the effects sound like a computer fart 💨. I’m changing it tomorrow for a rumble 200 and I should have trust my ambiguity…. It’s a new amp who knows if there will be problems in the long run. Trust me if this thing breaks after warranty your screwed. Don’t want to think how much it will cost . It’s a good studio amp when needed. Plug and play amp no not at all. Your are gonna play with these buttons
Living in SoCal all of my life, I've always been a huge Fender fan. I just got the opportunity to play bass at my church so what did I go for? Fender Rumble 500. It sounds amazing, plenty loud, and has just the right amount of controls, plus a line out to an external board/PA. I couldn't be happier!!
I have a Fender Rumble 100 and I absolutely Love-it. Nice big, full, deep Sound = "Without breaking my back" or "Getting a Hernia" - those days of Marshall Stacks are Over. No one allows you to play at that volume anymore (plus) it's a drag Carrying: to-and-from the gig. Lightweight, Portable & Great Sound is the way-to-go.
Do you use the Rumble 100 to gig with aa acoustic drummer? Is it powerful enough?
I honestly expected to prefer the Rumble, because the whole everything modeling vibe doesn't seem like what I want for bass, but the vanilla sound of the Katana was much more my thing. (Disclaimer: I tried a Rumble way back when I was shopping and bought a MarkBass combo instead.)
Yeah me too. I feel ya. MarkBass is solid though
That was a great review I have the rumble 100 and I love the pure bass sound of it.
I keep looking for a slightly easier to carry amp than the Markbass combo but sonically it's just so great! I can add all the effects and modeling I need with my own effects.
I even use my rumble 100 for guitar too. Excellent amp.
If Boss makes a head model (or several models) of the Bass Katana...that would be incredibly tempting.
If these combos sell well, we should expect to see ones with 12” speakers and a head down the line.
I bought the rumble 100 and that is that last bass amp I will own. Nothing on the market comes close. Simplicity. Power. Tone. Perfect.
I've always been a firm believer. In quality over quantity. The katana looks like a great 21st-century amp built from the ground up. I am sure the bass players who it attracts will enjoy all the features and take full advantage of them. I'm still in the learning phase of playing the bass. My thoughts on my progress are to make it as simple as possible. The Fender Rumble 100 is much more of a focused piece of kit. It will make my progression direct and to the point. Learning tone, timeing, and touch. Not getting distracted by bells and whistles. Less is more.
I agree 💯if your a beginner your need to focus on a good tone work your style and intonation etc all them effects are more to experiments and will distract a beginner player to focus on have a good simple solid technique. Hope you continue enjoying playing it’s such an important part of human life🤘🏻good luck
At certain settings the Boss seemed to have a slight buzz at the end of a note. I have noticed this in other demos. I think the speaker Boss used is the issue here where the tones don't ring clean with clarity on basic tones. I love the features on this Boss, it's a shame. I can't un-hear it.
Mine does this. It's the tolex grill on the front. If I push my hand against it then it stops. I'm going to try to replace it with a metal facing/screen.
I own the Katana 210 and love it.Everybody notice the difference in the sound/tone of class ab watts vs class d even though the Boss amp is only a little over half the power of the Fender.
Very solid sound I thought.
Me too this amp kills🤘🏻💯
It seems to me that these two amps target a different type of people, given the sounds and fx they offer. The Fender offers their own stuff, as it is logical, so it may firstly appeal to those who are in their ecosystem already or love their traditional sonic signature. The Boss is more experimental and may appeal to those who don't necessarily need to recreate specific sounds but rather want to make their own and be creative with the options offered by the amp.
Wish you would have included the comparable Ampeg Rocket Bass amp. I bought an Ampeg RB-110 a few months ago and it is very similar to my friends Rumble 50. Nice amp.
Love your playing and videos. I have noticed though, in several of your videos your bass volume coming through headphones is about 1/2 the volume of your speaking parts. At the least, please try to level out those volumes; I need to hear you holding upmthe hottom end. Either that, or let me know if I need to see an audiologist due to loss of hearing in the lower frequencies. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Katana Bass? Interesting. I absolutely love my Fender Rumble bass amp. Considering you get a boatload of features for the extra money, it's potentially a big hit with bass players.
Picking up the Boss 210 tomorrow can't wait
I always found the Fender Rumbles to be a bit too "sparkly". I think I might get along better with the Boss!
The Rumble 100 is the opposite of sparkly, it's quite dark sounding. The Rumble 40 is sparkly as it uses a different speaker.
Rumble 200 is something special!
Love your videos but wish the bass amp parts were set louder so I wouldn't have to ride my volume knob between dialog and bass amp sounds.
Agree
I preferred the Katana’s sound on clean. The Fender sounded too “ringy-stringy” for what I am expecting for a bass sound, even for funk.
You guys should compare the boss 210 with the fender rumble stage 800 pls! Which one can output the loudest volume? And can keep up with a 5 string?
You consider a 160w amp vs an 800w amp a fair comparison? I don't.
@@michaelgnapp3571 the fender rumble stage is only 800 watt with extension cab. Boss is class a/b and the fender class d and as they are both 2x10 they are almost the same.
@@michaelgnapp3571 actually yeah it will be close as class a/b produces alot more sound/volume at lower watts. Class d like the fender rumble require a lot more watts to get the same volume.
Edit prob closer to the rumble 500. That be a better comparison than the 800
@@bdraidian6280 I had a Rumble 800, didn't see the value of a ton of unusable fx, and it came with a damaged speaker. Sent it back in exchange for a Rumble 500 and two 210 cabs. I like the 500 a lot. But... I have 9 Katanas, all the 100w variations. I use them in various combinations for different applications, from jam backline to stereo gig rigs, to 5-Katana immersive surround. I love my Katanas, that's why I'm interested in the bigger Katana bass amp. Kinda waiting to pull the trigger, because I suspect they're gonna bring out an even more powerful head and cabs.
@@michaelgnapp3571 I've never owned any rumbles. I thought about the rumble500 but I don't know. I'm debating between rumble 500, peavey max 300, or this new katana. Can't decide.
Classic comparison between class D vs class AB. Class D sounds airy and empty in the middle, AB sounds like a wall of sound.
Boss is I assume the class AB, yes?
Yeah
Wish it was the Rumble Studio 40 vs the Katana Bass
Omg I just bought the boss the sound is amazing!!
All the Katana features are interesting, however, I'm too much a luddite. If I can't just twiddle knobs to find the tone I want, I'm not interested. There's just too much tech in these things nowadays. Heck, my gigging amp still has tubes. And yeah, keep off my lawn ;-)
I voted with my wallet .Boss Katana 210. IMHO the most versatile most complete most sculptable sound and the best quality & most expandable for under $ 1000 Au. And you can definitely gig w the 210 wheras the 110 won't cut it And for those who say it aint loud enough Do you own one or is that just a deluded opinion? If I hog tied you in front of it and it released its full fury @ your face you would scream for mercy & be in therapy for some time after. Also it introduce young players to somehing "new" haha! & NOT class D. What a class A/B amp & a mass loaded cab can do. An amp with wait for it ....headroom & fast transient attack. The rare gift of dynamics. Most bass players seem to like the rumble. I simply didn't & the way the BOSS outclasses EVERYTHING at that price point. It aint no fair fight its a SLAUGHTER.
Now the bad news It consumes only 117w So the claim of 160 wrms is once again BULLSHIT. Boss/ Roland hang your head in shame!. The tweeter is a piezo horn and straight up just wired in with NO active X over or ANY x over. So
" tweeter out" can only be a high pass or brick wall filter. Cheap & nasty but it works
So ALL bass combo manufacturers STOP £UCKING LYING! Because they won't unless we stop them. But overall it STILL kicks ass.
An older mate of mine is trading EDEN speakers and an Ampeg SVT 7 pro for this. Does it sound as good ? No, but it can be sculpted to get pretty damn close & he isn't constantly doing his back in carting 40 Kg as opposed to 20. Now argue with that!
You freaking took the words outta my mouth mate Jesus somebody understand the class a/b sound and what are the limit of this amp and what it excels in….. bravo your thoughts were like glazed bacon in my hear everybody loves bacons!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻💯💯👍🏻
Yes I have a 210 and it is plenty LOUD.
@@nicolasbeaudry6158 🤩
I will add this. The amp & speaker combo , separates ,whatever. Is so very personal a choice. There is no way reading this that YOU will get a handle on what YOU like. YOU have to trust your heart & ears & go for what YOU like. That is EXACTLY what every great player did. Just stage dive in. Go for it and the universe tends to catch you.
Rumble is still insane value for money.
Agreed 💯 it’s a classic no nonsense classic tone and if you need a clean and a overdrive only sound it’s your pick
The Rumble Studio/Stage would be a better comparison.
I've played both of the smaller bass amps on offer from Boss and Fender, and the Rumble studio 40 decimates the Bass katana.
@@gangrenous77 isn’t it twice the price?
The Katana costs a fraction more. Just had a look and there's locally a $10 price difference.
@@gangrenous77 oh I was thinking of the rumble stage. I believe that one is like $800.
The studio is the smaller one more affordable
@@gangrenous77 The most important thing is that comparing a modeling amp like the Katana to a non-modeling amp like the Rumble is like comparing apples and oranges. However, the Rumble Studio 40 and 800 *are* modeling amps, and therefore a more realistic comparison, so they should have picked one of those instead of a standard Rumble for the video.
Will you guys compare the Rumble Studio 40 and the Katana 110B?
Umm. Yeah. I guess I’ll get a Rumble 100. The core tone is just so much better.
It IS good. Hofner sounds gorgeous through it.
Boss' Katana range of amps is fantastic, and I genuinely admire what they have managed to achieve. I'd still take the Rumble if I had to choose between these two, but then the only bass amp at this price point that I'm interested in is the Ampeg Micro-CL stack (or pinching pennies to save up for a Micro-VR and 2x10 SVT cab)
I'm fortunate enough to have the Micro-VR hooked up to a 1x15" cab which I mainly keep in the rehearsal studio, and a Rumble 200w combo which I store at home to take out to gigs. Love them both to be honest, and I can get the classic Precision rock sound I need out of both. I got the Ampeg as a low cost replacement for my Little-Mark head by the way - great amp but more for jazz than rock in my opinion.
@@TheStratpicker Three guesses which genre I spend more of my time playing haha, sounds like a great little arrangement you've got going on there
@@piratewhoisquiet thank you
I love to own a micro stack amped they sound awesome it’s my next bucket list🤘🏻
@@nicolasbeaudry6158I bought two Ampeg SVT210AV cabs, and put a MarkBass Black Line 250 head (class D) on top and it's awesome. But the VR head (class AB) is also very good. But the magic is mostly in the cabs. That said, I'm looking for a different head that lets me sculpt the mids more precisely. And the class AB VR head sounds warmer. The MB BL250 is cleaner. But the "character" knobs are pretty good.
Katana Is amazing,this a winner for much!!!
On my crappy PC speakers, the clear winner is the Katana. I'm currently A/B comparing these two on reviews and demos and will be going to the guitar shop this weekend to play them. I love Fender amps but the Boss is setting itself ahead in my mind.
I miss Nathan and Lee on All About the Bass more than I miss Chappers and the Captain. But I miss both pairs.
Did you end up getting the Rumble or the Katana?
I got the Rumble 800 about six months ago. I mostly play guitar and piano. I didn’t even know. Boss had their own bass amp when I got the Fender.
I got the Rumble because I couldn’t find a Katana in a store to try.
It seems to me that with the Fender you get much more the sound of the bass itself, with the Katana the sound of the bass is less natural but much more "modern" for sure. They're both really good. I probably prefer the Fender, since I play fink with more vintage or classic bass sounds. But would be nice have both of them... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why didn't you compare the Katana Bass with the Rumble Studio/Stage combos which are kind of similar technologies?
Exactly..I have a Fender Studio 40 and it's excellent that has built in effects, Amps,Cabs,,200 preset slots,Built in WiFi/Bluetooth..u don't need a Katana gizmo for that either btw..
Because Boss must be offering some sweetners around judging by the amount of Music TH-cam channels gushing over the Katana (and how arsey they get if you dare question the validity and price of these). They are expensive and Boss wants to sell them so they are not going to show anything that makes it look like the overpriced toy it is and upset Boss
Hi,What chair are you guys using in the video?
Andertons if your reading these comments please do a comparison of the Katana 210 bass vs other 210 combos such as the Fender Rumble 500 210,Ampeg 210 etc.There are so many bass players out there that think the Katana 210 with its 160 watts class ab would not keep up volume wise with other 210 class d combos on the market.You would be doing us all a service to do such a comparison.
Why haven't you compare the Katana with a Rimble Studio 40 or Stage 800 which has all the bells and whistles of the Boss?
To my great surprise, I prefer the Boss.
If all the guys at Andetons made a super band made of people from each department, they would become an instant celebrity
I have a Rumble 40 and need something with more headroom with a full band. Looking at the Rumble 500 combo or 800 head with 4x10 cab.
Bass sounds more like a bass with Rumble! Nice video.tnx.
The Rumble 40 is actually a good jazz guitar amp. The depth of the cabinet lends a richness to the sound. But it has no effects, not even reverb. So if you already have a Multi effects processor, the Rumble can work for you that way. For bass on this demo, the Rumble sounds better up front with the tone controls flat. That’s because Fender built it to make that sound. The Katana can get that sound, among the many sounds within it… while the Rumble cannot get almost all the sounds within the Katana.
Now I know why bass videos aren't as popular as guitar videos, without proper speakers, basses sound like flapping strings bouncing off of frets and well executed farts! Don't get me wrong, I love bass, but I first listened to this through my phonne, gave up, and had to return to it when I could get to my headphones! Stra'ngely enough, I have a Peavey Special 150, 112 combo that slays for bass, equal to or surpassing either of these amps. Unfortunately, it's also a viable anchor!
Yeah same haha
I like the both of you! You both are funny and of good, Aura!!! The color Blue on that one Bass is hott! So you two are the Cap and Chappers of Bass? Your guys's Bass terminology versus us electric guitarist terminology, I kind of got lost when you said "drive" and "flat". 😂😂😂
Lee and Nathan really play well together...
I’m surprised you didn’t compare the Fender Rumble with all the settings, and emulations? Fender Rumble Ver. 2 is the best sounding, but the ver. 3 are more convenient, especially due to the weight. I have a 100 watt Fender ver. 1 and takes almost two people to carry it while my 800 only takes one. You do sacrifice some sound for the weight. Even nicer if you get the one that emulates the older fender bass tones as well as a bunch of pedals packed into one which is what I have. And you can connect it to another cabinet.
I have Rumble 800 stage. Its have plenty of versitality + loopper and its LOUD!
Thanks. The Boss is everything I dont want in my amp :-)
The Rumble has Great effects they did not even talk about Fender makes a 40 Watt that has more Effects than the boss!!!
AMPEG ROCKET BASS, THAT’S WHAT I WANT. THANK YOU.
I bought an RB-110 for home and jam sessions. Love it. A friend of mine has a Rumble and I like my Ampeg slightly better. Haven't tried the Katana.
@@WillyPDX94 I would say the katana is good for the money… but the only reason to get it over some other very good choices is it’s additional effects. The AB amp thing… yeah it’s often a preferred amp type, but in this instance it’s about the effects and modelling.
Think of it like an orange crush bass. I really love them, but I would advice most new players or people just looking for a bass amp to still get the fender or ampeg because it’s a one trick pony. It does the orange sound very well, the ampeg abs fender are more general purpose. Tbh I’m really including fender because it is good and to be democratic, in reality I recommend ampeg most of the time lol.
I must be crazy. Well I actually AM crazy.
I swapped out the Katana for an Ampeg Rocket 115. Was I happier? Yeah, for about 5 minutes. Problem being for the princely sum of $100 Au I got my greasy little hands on an 100 wrms class A/B yum yum JBL D130 clone loaded ELKA DM100. Got it as a back up or originally that was the idea. Now I call it the albatros. Because it literally SHITS on everything below $2.5K Au retail new imho. It will remind bass players that the amp/speaker combo is as much a part of your instrument as you are. It responds to my fingers on the strings like a living organism. Its built tougher than a battle tank and looks cool....err in a cheesy kind of retro way 🙄
I kid you not. I own one & dont need 2.
So Im spreading the gospel of AWESOME sound for awesomely cheap. I now worship at the alter of Italian cheese. ELKA I Love you 🥰😍🤩
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GALORY BEEYAH TAH JEEEeeeESUS!
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Amen! 😇🤩🤯?
BTW anybody want an Ampeg Rocket Bass115 brand new w box warranty. The lot for $700 Au?
@@gorillafunk725 I GUESS THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL.
@@oblate777 Nah spent it already on coke & hookers. Now im left short for penecilin & rehab 🤩
Watts are watts. Doesn't matter if its a class A/B or a class D or an All-Valve (All-Tube) power section. Watts are Watts (2.83v at 8Ω=1-watt). The class D power sections had some challenges when they first came out in bass amps because they would generate artifacts as they approached their limit. The impression was that they didn't have the headroom of the class A/B amps because the A/B amps didn't generate those artifacts as it approached peak power. However, Class D amps were used in audiophile applications well before they were used for bass amps and they had already developed designs that eliminated those artifacts. What I call the second generation of class D amps from about 2010, had solved that problem, so there is no problem with headroom in modern class D amps by reputable companies. Andy Field of Mesa Subway had a lot of experience with class D amps when he was working in the home electronics design for years before he joined Mesa. So Mesa was one of the very first companies to come out with what I call 2nd generation class D amps - precisely because of his experience in home audio design.
The main difference between Class A/B amps and Class D amps besides how they generate the watts, is their weight. I have an Eden WT500/800 amp that was upgraded by David Nordschow (aka David Eden) in 2010 from 500-watts to 800-watts bridged into 8 ohms. In its rack it weighs about 36-lbs. I also have a DNA-800 amp, which is a class D amp that puts out 800-watts into 4Ω. It weighs just 4.8-lbs. and sounds just as good, so you can see why I use it for all my indoor venues. DNA was the company David Nordschow started in ~2009 after he sold and left Eden. It's a superb amp with built-in compressor with adjustable threshold and ratio controls.
I use my DNA-800 amp for most venues, but will pull out my big Eden amp for Music Festivals where I'm only using my DNS-410. I use my DNS-210 for all indoor venues small to large because it is a very sensitive cab that will handle 700-watts rms with a max SPL of 134db. My DNS-410 will handle 1400-watts with a max SPL of 137db. If I decide to use both cabs, then I'll go back to my DNA class D amp because it will send out up to 400-watts per cab. Haven't needed to do that but I might want to sometime.
I needed to point that out because I keep hearing that the Katana with its class A/B watts is louder than the class D versions because it's class A/B watts. Again there are no "classes" of watts. 1-watt is 1-watt from anyway it's generated - again, 2.83v into 8Ω is one watt. HOWEVER, it can sound louder if it is paired with more sensitive speaker(s). Watts don't make an amp or combo loud by themselves. How they are matched to their speakers will make that difference. When I was touring with a nightclub group in the early 70's, I used a Standel MCIIb/SAM30b piggy back amp that a 215 bass reflex, powered speaker cab. It was so loud I could only turn it up half-way when we were playing in the outdoors in wide open spaces. 9 o'clock was the highest I could run it indoors. It was a 200-watt amp, which was a lot of watts in 1971 and it was louder than the new 300-watt Ampeg SVT fridge or the acoustic 360/361 (200-watts powered speaker cab with 18" folded horn). It was louder than those other superb amps because the amp was matched better to its 15" CTS speakers than the other amps were to theirs (neither of those amps were weak!). When a cab is more sensitive, it takes fewer watts to reach gig levels. Basically, it's a louder cab. So the combination of their watts and the speakers matched to them may make them louder.
I'm more prone to believe they are pushing the Class A/B watts myth because they are new at making amps. They've been making effects forever, but not amps. The class A/B amps have been around since the late 60's and are easier to design. Their only drawback is that they are heavy. The Katana 110 is 15-lbs heavier than the Rumble 100. Class D bass amps are comparatively new and they have limitations that have to be compensated for in the design to get the intrinsic headroom the old class A/B amps had. Honestly though, virtually all of the top manufacturers have figured out how to make great amps with that class, just Boss hasn't done that yet.
Besides my DNA-800 class D amp, I also have an Eden TN226 class D amp (225-watts into 4Ω) that weighs 4.7-lbs. I got it specifically to play small venues like brewpubs. My big Eden amp has a 12ax7 tube in the preamp running within very specific parameters to generate the warmth of sound that Eden has been known for. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that my little Eden class D amp sounded just as warm as my big Eden amp. They get that same warmth by using a "Golden Ear" chip (THAT-4301) that among other things emulates tube warmth. There's no reason now days that a class D can't sound as good as a class A/B while only weighing somewhere between about 4 and 7-lbs.
OK, I was going to stop but then you tried to do the side by side sound comparison using the same settings on both. Problem with that is that the same EQ settings on the different brands could render far different sounds. And there is no "vintage" standard. It all depends on the designer's preference. Usually for the "modern" sound those buttons will boost the hi-mids to get some "edge" to the tone, but again that's open to the designer. Even the same designer may have different EQ's on different models. David Nordschow founded Eden in 1976 and he designed my WT500/800 amp. It comes with a Bass EQ shelved at 30Hz, three semi-parametric controls to cover all three octaves a bass can produce, and a treble to adjust everything from 2.2KHz on up. With my DNA-800 that he designed with his newer company he put the Bass EQ at 35Hz, the low-mid at 500Hz, the high-mid at 2KHz and the treble again adjusts everything above 2KHz. He didn't use semi-parametriccontrols at all. With my passive Jazz bass I always boost the low mids slightly (to about 1:30) and leave everything else flat on my Eden amps. On his DNA amp I boost the low-mids the same amount but also have to boost the bass to ~1 o'clock to get the same sound I get from the Eden amps with the bass EQ set flat.
By the way, both of your amps sounded better with the mic than the DI. I presume the DI was a pre-EQ signal. The mic sounded better to me because the cabs make a difference in the sound and the mic picks that up whereas the DI with the flat (or native voicing) signal wouldn't.
Sorry if I came across too critical. I enjoyed your video and you really gave a good demonstration of what the different combos sounded like by both going through the DI and by being mic'd. So, overall I'd say, "Well Done" I like the sound of the Fender partly because my first amp was an all-tube 1966 Fender Bassman that I bought in 1966. But the Katana is also a good sounding combo. No question when it comes to the effects the Katana walks away with it all because they've been making great effects for decades. It was a nice run through of both amps. Thanks for putting this out!
Is it a huge downside that Katana (both of their versions) has 10'' speakers compared to 15''?
It’s a fair question. I know both can pump low end but I am curious about that myself
Dear Lowenders, which one would currently prefer:
- Ampeg RB-112
- Fender Rumble 100
- Markbass CMB 121 Blackline Combo? Thx
Katana bass 110 vs Hartke hd 150. Which one is more powefull. And punch. ???
Can you get the katana bass amp 60 watt and it’s as loud as a 100 watt fender to the left? I’m trying to find a bass amp for katana that’s loud enough to play a show .. need a friend ha help me pick rofl 😅
Really should use a Fender P and/or J for a bass amp shoot out like this. Everybody knows what they sound like so they can extrapolate more accurately.
I think weight is relevant when gigging and possibly transporting up and down stairwells of rehearsal spaces- especially when you are an ol' fucker like me, it matters! At the end of the day, both amps are amazing in their own right but the rumble is 22lbs vs the 37lbs katana at the same price point. The katana with the modular effects , can spark more thinking-outside-the-box musicality, which is always lovely and probably worth the extra lift power if you're still a fit, spring chicken !
Honestly, I like my bass through my boss katana guitar amp. I don't notice that much difference between that and the boss bass amp. Mine sits next to my rumble:)
What chanel do you play your bass through and can you play loud without destroying the amp ? Genuinely interested as my daughter has a Katana 100W guitar amp and wants to buy a bass and I don`t fancy forking out on another amp for bass guitar .
@@8calm8 only one channel on the 50, amp type set to clean. I think unless she's gigging, she's not going to hurt it. Check out Phil McKnight latest video with the Gibson guy, they run a bass head into a 2x10 cab, no concern.
This article warns against it a bit, but the first pic is my Katana 50 input :)
So, I've been loud, but not stage loud, so, I can't promise anything
@@8calm8 honestly, I think it just won't produce tones as low as a bass amp, same as a 12" isn't going to go as low as a subwoofer....
I tried the 210 Katana in the shop the other day and was surprised how good the unaffected sound was. Very loud and punchy. However the effects are of no interest to me and it’s a heavy beast.
10 lb difference?
It weighs about 10lbs more on average than the Fender Rumble 210 or Ampeg Rocket 210.
The Boss has great tone. But reliability is my concern. Many working bass players have been lugging around the Rumble 500 through lots of gigs and lots of playing hours without any problems with the Rumble. Will the Boss be as reliable, time will tell!
That’s a fact I bought the katana 60 and knew that if this things breaks I’m screwed it will cost an arm to fix a digital amp effect board but so far it’s a killer amp and man loud as hell as loins as my rumble 200 even louder I think 🤔 it’s so responsive you need to try one man🤘🏻
After looking at all the great combos on the market I decided to go with the Rumble 500 for it’s simplicity, the ceramic magnets / speakers and 37 lbs.
It was a tough choice though since this BOSS line of combos is very impressive.
The Rumble sounds great after a few gigs.
Boss sounds superb 👍👍
I have the Rumble 100 and Enigama Qballs and the Big Muff as my pedals, when doing jam sessions, I just plug in my Fender P Bass and Pedal board. Too convenient not carry around a amp by just having pedals... IJS
Great playing as usual. Y’all helped me decide on the katana 110 and it’s awesome. I should point out a couple things I missed in your video. The katana 110 doesn’t have a speaker out (the 210 does, but it disables the internal speaker) and and Wi-Fi is supported for the extra features, but only with their Dual Adapter thingamajig for about 60 quid.
I thought the katana without effects sounded awesome and definitely much deeper and more full than the rumble, which I considered buying and still think is a pretty good bass amp. But side by side it didn’t seem like much of a comparison to me. The three different amps and the compression included with the katana are high quality and very useable.
The 1watt setting is great for apartment living but it can pump out the jams in a thumping way.
Nathan can you plz do the among range Kx
I'm a Mark Bass 250 black line/ Blackstar Unity with affects, Sorry Guys. Troy from Alantic City 🌆
I am a new bass player looking for an amp.
Was looking at rumble 200/500, hartke 115 500w, boss katana 210 and blackstar 500.
Going to guitar center in mays landing to check out what they have.
I read a bunch of reviews on the markbass cubes, 100w, saying they had low sound so crossed them off.
There are not a ton of reviews on the blackstar though.
It's pretty expensive at $730 and no 15'' speaker option. Do you think it is the best of the lot?
Would you suggest a head & cab instead?
What kind of bass guitars are those?
Well to be honest I totally prefer the Fender Rumble. It is just simple as sh*t, but it has a clear and understandable straight sound in all modes (Flat, Bright, Contour, Vintage). Fender Rumble is more punchy and it's incredibly light weight. I just ordered one yesterday and it arrives tomorrow, I can't wait. I'm gonna use it with a Tech 21 VT bass V2 Sansamp pedal and I think its gonna RUMBLE. I know it because the amp I had before was a Fender Rumble 150 (13 year old). That amp was so brutal in sound, but it was heavy as mud (40kgs). So I decieded to change it for a physically smaller and lighter amp with equal efficiency.
For me the Boss Katana was a disappointment, nevertheless it has so many effects built in etc. It feels like a "plastic" sound for me. It's only my honest opinion, unfortunately this combo did not convince me. In case of effects I own some pedals like EBS Octabass, Electro Harmonix Mono Synth, Ampeg Octacomp and Tech21 VT bass V2 Sansamp. Those effects are awesome and provide versatile and natural sounds. Together the Rumble and the pedals are going to be killer.
Sorry Boss.. :(
The Boss 210B is the way to go.
As soon as I heard the fender, I knew that was great. The fender is much quieter in this video, possibly making the katana seem better, but I don't think it is. My impression is that fender has a smooth groove, the boss had a funky groove to it, but the edge in quality was on fender's side imo. Neither are bad and the katana could suit some people much better. Additionally, this test is extremely falsifiable considering different players and different guitars with different amp settings.
I have got a Rumble but the Boss is bossing it. Time for a new amp.
Haven’t you missed the point? Why not compare like with like and review the Rumble “Studio” modelling amps from Fender with the equivalent Boss Katana? That would have been much more worthwhile. This is like comparing “apples” and “oranges”
Y'all need to play in the money zone which is 1st fret to the 5th fret.
Maybe I’m biased because growing up in Atlanta GA in the mid/late 90’s there was Fender and then there was everything else. Everyone’s dream guitar was an American Fender. I only started playing again since then but I absolutely love everything from Fender out currently. I started with the Rumble 50 but quickly switched to the Rumble Studio which competes directly with the Katana. I absolutely love it. However it definitely has some limitations. I would love to see a comparison between the two, but it would take an awful lot to consider moving away from Fender. For me right or wrong it’s still Fender then everything else. Love the show and I always look forward to a new episode.
Does bluetooth streming work good on yours?
Mine was disconecting and conecting witout sound plus large latency
the Rumble stayed more in the round sound area... where the Katana was mid and modern sounding..
what is the point of a 10 inch cab? why not just go 12??
How does it hold out with a band (feckin drummers), will it handle a pub?
Easily, class AB amps are normally a lot louder than D type amps
Oh yeah I have a 60 it loud as hell go try one there amazing and it cuts through trust me with passive and active basses
I have the 210 and I played a gig with a loud drummer and a guitar player using a Boss Nextone Artist[80 watt 112 combo] in a high school auditorium on a large stage with no monitor support.It was plenty loud and had volume to spare.It should handle any sane pub situation.
Rumble is still great for the £
so i was wondering is the fender 200 or 500 closer to the katana 160 with output? since i'm not sure how AB and D compare with wattage and output but i do like 2x10's better than 1x15
Man get the katana 2x10 it’s loud as hell responsive like a tube amp and the tone is sick with my active or my passive basses and it kills its as loud as a 500watts class d . The a/b have more headroom and it’s cuts through any guitar stacks and drums🤘🏻👍🏻
That did not sound like a Rumble, certainly not initially (as any Rumble owner will know). When they started tweaking EQ and the sound switched to mic, then more true deep full Rumble character was coming out. But at the start..... Forget it, not a fair representation.
Also, not a realistic side by side comparison, when the newer Rumble Stage models 40 & 800 have comparible effects, software options like the Boss Katana. So a pretty pointless comparison. Anyone would think they're trying to sell Boss ?!! 🤣
The fender mustang gtx-100 is the best amp
Prefer Ashdown head and cab. Or Markbass head.
Rumble 100 with an Enigama:Qballs is all I need for the funk music that I prefer playing, lol
Enigama:Qballs and the Big Muff are my pedals ...
Don't really think comparing class a/b amps with class d amps is a fair comparison because most people will take the cost/weight reduction of the class D regardless of how "better" the heavier class a/b are.
As for me though class a/b katana for the win as I don't gig anymore so weight isn't an issue anymore. The rumble 100 is still is an awesome combo for the price. Tried it in the store and was very impressed.
Ampeg!
Can barely hear either one. That said. WHY
Going for Line 6 Catalyst 200
If you're talking about weight, the Rumble wins hands down. I put a NEO 12 in my Rumble 100, and it weighs 18 lbs. (I also installed batting inside the cabinet). For tone flexibility? IMHO the Rumble wins hands down again.
That Katana blows me away. Seems as though the Rumble has finally been dethroned.
For you, maybe.
These are some jolly good blokes. Quite right quite right.