I’ve personally believed this since a little before my conversion to Catholicism. They also would believe that all attachments to sin somehow get removed from here to heaven. It may not be exact but something happens in between there which is similar to purgatory
The more I thought of it over the years the more Purgatory just theologically had to make sense. Praying for the dead has ALWAYS been an intrinsic element of the human race. It wasn't about 500 years ago when humans suddenly thought this was unnecessary. The very idea of Purgatory further shows the mercy of God and His desire to have us in Heaven with Him.
@@FlexCathedrafromIG I don't think you should use that as an argument though. As christianity is a religion that also teaches alot against things that others might argue to be 'intrinsic elements of the human race'
@@marlena. As I said before to another Prot, Catholics believe that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was once for all and is central to our salvation (Hebrews 10:10). There’s no way we could earn salvation on our own-it’s purely a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). Purgatory doesn’t change that. It’s not a second chance at salvation or a place where people earn their way into Heaven. Instead, it’s the final step in the process of being fully sanctified. Christ’s death forgives our sins and justifies us before God, but we also know we are called to be completely holy (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Purgatory is where any remaining attachment to sin is purified, so we can fully enter Heaven, which is a place where nothing unclean can dwell (Revelation 21:27). The way I see it, Purgatory is actually a continuation of Christ’s work in us. His sacrifice on the cross didn’t just stop at forgiveness-it transforms us. And that transformation continues, even after death, until we’re completely purified. This purification is made possible because of His passion and death. His grace applies to our lives in an ongoing way, sanctifying us through the sacraments, and even purifying our souls in Purgatory if needed (Philippians 1:6). So, far from negating Christ’s sacrifice, Purgatory is made possible because of it. It ensures that Christ’s redeeming work is complete in us, so we can stand in the presence of God, fully cleansed and perfected."
@@marlena. Praying for the dead and taking care of them is not a matter of "human desires", it's an act of charity. There's nothing inherently or even remotely wrong with it. It was intrinsic to the Jewish faith as well. What do you think the ancient festival of what we moderns call "Hanukah" is about, the same sentiments that Even Jesus partook and observed?
@@marlena. Abel sacrificed a lamb on an alter and it pleased God so much He used it for His people. The Ark of the Covenant, the temple, the gates around the New City of Revelation. Humans glorify God, and He uses those inventions for His purpose. Human things are not always destructive and evil. God spins it to His Glory.
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When I was a Baptist ( I’m now an atheist), I was taught that the dead remain dead until the day of judgement. There was no praying for them, as there decision had already been made.
Protestants just believe purgatory happens in an instant while Catholics believe it is a process. You be the judge on which perspective is more aligned with how God seems to work with humanity. Whatever your perspective, it isn’t worth fighting over.
Even still, Catholic theology doesn’t even say it’s a process. There is no magisterial determination saying it lasts any duration of time and important recent theology suggests it may be something that happens in an instant. I agree it isn’t worth fighting over, especially because that perspective difference doesn’t actually have to exist.
It is. We have Four points to say what happens when we die if we are in a state of Grace with God: 1 - God Changes us Instantly to be Saints 2 - We Change Instantly to be Saints 3 - God Changes us progressively to be Saints 4 - We Change Progressively to be Saints (This is context that 'we' is us cooperating with the Grace God gives us, not that we do anything on our own). The second option is just inherently absurd: why would we immediately cooperate with Grace completely to change instantly, when we have struggled prior to death? With the absurdity of the second position established, we must then point out that if we would take time to be Sanctified if it were up to our cooperation with God's Grace, then God's changing of us instantly to be Saints would a violation of the Free will. We ultimately then come to these last two positions, both of which are allowed by the Church and have been debated for Centuries. Both ultimately come to the preeminent trait of the Divinity to the Theologian. To the Thomistic School, while acknowledging that the Divine Attributes are ultimately analogus, would usually be that of Justice (with some Thomistic schools saying either Love or Holiness, but they are, to my knowledge a minority), while the other extreme end, the Scotistic School, would hold the preeminent trait of the Divinity is Love (beyond the even more foundational trait of Infinitude and Eternality).
Yes and no. We do believe in the necessity of moral transformation and that it indeed will be instantaneous upon death. We also believe that a great means that God presently uses to “purge” away the dross of our sin and to refine faith is the pain of trials and our heavenly Father’s discipline. Yet, with all that accepting, we typically recoil at the thought that the “purgatory [which] happens in an instant” takes place via suffering. In other words, upon death the effective means to achieve our moral perfection need not include suffering whatsoever. Scripture allows for various means of sanctifying/transformative grace, and we would suggest that the biblical record is fairly consistent in its teaching that God will in fact do this instantaneously upon death, since the alternative to being (now) in the body, away from Christ, is presented as being with Christ upon death (see 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Luke 23:43). If you were to ask, “but by what means would God accomplish this instantaneous work?” I could quickly offer these two answers: 1). The beholding of Christ’s glory. In the same way that Paul reasons that we are presently transformed from one degree of glory to the next by beholding Christ’s glory (2 Cor 3:18), the Apostle John extends this means of transformation to our Lord’s second advent; his reasons for doing so are consonant with Paul’s theology (which I just mentioned); St.John wrote that when we see him we will be like him because we will see him as he is (1 John 3:2). Fully seeing Christ for the Christian will have an instantaneous perfecting effect. Just as our seeing in part today, has its ‘part’ial effect now. 2). The second answer I could offer would be similar to how we could reason for Adam’s original righteousness. God simply made him upright. It is not beyond God’s power to work immediately and directly upon the soul of his creatures. While he normally uses secondary causes or means to accomplish his purpose, he can if he so please, work immediately and directly, accomplishing whatever he wants. As was in the case of Adam, where God just simply made him originally without sin (without making him first suffer), God can do that to every Christian upon death. This second point must not be taken as a concession that God will not use a means; the means is beholding Christ’s glory as was mentioned in my first answer. However, it does provide a historical basis for believing that as God originally created man in his own image, without prior suffering, he can perfect that image in man without the particular means of suffering upon death (albeit that man has already suffered before death). This was written in charity and I pray that further discussion continue in the same spirit.
@@isaias9516 I’d just add that if the purging process does include some suffering (which I would argue the full realization of our sin would) many church theologians have argued that the suffering would actually bring pure joy as it would be experienced with the full knowledge of the destination and experienced with the full love of God. My analogy would be when the prodigal son returned it may have been painful for him to be seen in his dirty robes with sores on his feet and the pangs of hunger in his belly but he would be filled with joy as his father and his fathers servants clean him, heal him and prepare him for the celebration.
Can a Catholic here answer a question for me please? (a Protestant) If people were to go to purgatory until ready to go to heaven, what was the point of Jesus' sacrifice?
@@e.m.8094 purgatory is a process whereby those saved by Christ are perfected in character to enter heaven. What Christs sacrifice does is make so we can get into heaven by having his righteousness infused into us, however even with Christs righteousness we dont have the perfect character required of sinless beings who enter into heaven, therefore purgatory is a theological necessity.
@@e.m.8094 Jesus opened the gates of heaven and he was here on earth to show us the way of the Cross. Take up your Cross and follow Jesus for he is the way, the truth and the light.
As a Protestant, I think purgatory is similar in type to what we would call glorification. Both Protestants and Catholics recognize a need for a final transformation before we can enter heaven, the difference is the understanding of the process.
@@oldmovieman7550 We can’t really say we have a different understanding of the process since the Church has no teaching on a process. The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” which is experienced by those “who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified” (CCC 1030). It never speaks to how it happens or where or for how long.
It’s noteworthy that the Jews believe in purgatory, did in Jesus’ day, and prior. Maccabees mentions it and that was in the Greek Septuagint, by and large the Canon of Jesus’ day and used by the Apostles as evidenced by their quotes from the Old Testament. Maccabees of course contains the Hanukah story. So I think purgatory should in theory be easy for Protestants to accept too. It’s a final sanctification, a final perfection. The less sinful we are the less time and pain we would experience for that final process. Purgatory is one doctrine I’m somewhat perplexed that more Protestants don’t accept.
Yes, the final and most established form of final mercy and love of God to us before heaven is purgatory, whatever it looks like is ok with me and I pray I will be worthy of burning off any sin there.
@@frekigeri4317 the Thief went to the Paradise of the Fathers, or Abraham’s Bosom. A common error among Protestants is that they think Jesus meant heaven. But when Jesus died on the cross he went to Abraham’s Bosom to set the captives free. There’s a beautiful very Ancient Byzantine icon of him grabbing Adam and Eve by the hands and taking them and the captives, the Old Testament saints and faithful Jews, to heaven with Him. The Thief would have been consoled to know that despite his crimes he would get to go to that abode thanks to his faith in Jesus and repentance and acknowledgement of his sins.
Many protestants believe that any purification needed happens at the moment of death before one is judged/enters heaven. So if it is a process it happens quickly.
St. Catherine of Genoa (1551): “I believe no happiness can be found worthy to be compared with that of a soul in Purgatory except that of the saints in Paradise: and day by day this happiness grows as God flows into these souls.” In some popular prayers and devotions, and in some spiritual writings, purgatory is described as sort of a temporary hell, and differing from hell only in that those in purgatory know they will eventually go to heaven. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church rejects that view of purgatory. The Catholic Church does not teach that purgatory is a place or that those in purgatory experience the pain of fire: purgatory is not a “mini-hell,” and is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. CCC1031
"As we come to the third Beatitude, we take the next logical step in the progression of the Beatitudes. Acknowledging our poverty of spirit and mourning our sin causes us to be meek. Being poor in spirit and mourning sin pertain to our relationship with God and our sin. But being meek means we may suffer humiliation and persecution from others. Being meek can be quite a challenge because we are inherently selfish and prone to demanding our rights. Meekness requires the opposite. Matthew 5:5: Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (NIV). Talk about a counter-cultural statement. Most people would not agree that God blesses the meek. They associate meekness with being weak, wimpy, and wishy-washy-like a wet noodle or milquetoast. Especially in America. We are the do-it-yourselfers, the pick-yourself-up-by-the-bootstrappers, the fiercely independent. Americans value hard work, assertiveness, and the survival of the fittest in business. We love the story of the underdog who overcame seemingly insurmountable hardship and opposition to achieve success. We don’t value meekness. Jesus’ audience didn’t want a meek leader either. They were waiting for a military Messiah to start a revolution against Rome and preside over a material kingdom in Israel. How could meekness conquer the Roman army? What meekness is not: The word meek has to be one of the most misunderstood words in the Bible. The Greek word is praus. We don’t have an English word that describes all its characteristics. That’s why some translations render the word as meek while others use gentle or humble. Let’s talk first about what meek is not, and then we’ll try to nail down what it is. Meekness does not mean that we are nice. You can be meek and be nice, but those are two different things. It doesn’t mean that we are simply easy to get along with. Some people are easy to get along with because they have no convictions that might offend anyone. Meekness is not someone who goes out of their way to avoid conflict, either. It’s not a person who chooses peace at any cost. That is being wimpy and wishy-washy. What meekness is: Meek is entirely different. It’s defined as “not being overly impressed by one’s self-importance; gentle, humble, patient, forbearing, long-suffering, considerate.”- Bob Jennerich.
Scary I had this intense dream week that shook me up so bad I had to search for answers. No church of any religion knowledge at all. I look back now and I get so scared I will pray all night so that dream and it’s friends stay the f away. I was in the dream for a week not fully there during the day and never fully here. The basic concept of the stages abd words came true a year later and I saw the cover of a album cover from Hozier. That was what I was in for that week That photo of the dirt , smell , blury faces and not the real names. Then after a faith stamp and a big freak out of trauma that was told in the dream made sense. It was not good for the dream I was Abit cray cray searching for the truth but it did not come from dead ppl or dreams that did contain any Jesus loving scenes. Hope it helps sharing just Incase another non related person is also searching. Shame if the trauma hurts heaps but I know Jesus is real now and my heart is up for orther to know him. Still slow and riddled with ptsd after the trauma last year but I have wheat farming for our Lord the best I can forever not own gyms and houses like before. I stay away from any spiritual stories like NDE cause it’s too scary and I would not tell my story cause it’s too hard to find words
So it is just the transformation/switch/sanctification towards our holy body after death? I thought that the RCC view was it being more of a long term place.
@@maxsigmon8804 Like an intermediate state of being-place? There are protestants that believe that, although it is more of a waiting spot without the purging/cleansing.
If more people knew what the Church believes, there would be fewer problems accepting it. One day, I debated with an Orthodox man, who said: "Orthodox Catholics do not believe in Purgatory, unlike you Roman Catholics" then I said: But don't you pray for the dead like us? He replied: "We pray for the dead. We believe that some of them, although saved but not yet Saints, are in the process of purification before seeing God, but that this process is only until the final judgement, the Resurrection of the Flesh, that's why we pray for them during this period." I replied: But you defined exactly what Purgatory is! This is exactly what we Roman Catholics believe! And he said: Ahhh but we don't have the word "Purgatory" that's what we don't believe. It was a joke to me... It would be like hearing someone say that they don't believe in Hell, but that they believe that we are free to Sin and turn our backs on God for Eternity 😅
Did any of you out there know, that, it took Thomas Jefferson 61 years of extremely prosperous and full life experience to have the conviction that God/Christ is real and then became a born again Christian (because of those 61 years of Deist debauchery/sinfulness???) P.S. do any of you out there please know what denomination of Christendom Thomas Jefferson converted to at the age of 61 years old please??? Thank you.
What God did for us on the cross through Jesus was wash our past, present, and future sin. God got to the root of our sins which is an identity and took care of it. When we put our faith in God's work on the cross, He then calls us Righteous, His children, and Saints. God does not do anything unfinished. He wants no man to boast of his works before His throne so He has done it all for us, this is the faith in Him. Read the book of Galatians. Chapter 2 verse 17 says: but if we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law; then Christ died in vain. Now after reading the book of Galatians and the rest of the Gospel. You will see God put His Spirit in us when we received Jesus. Please meditate on how could God's Spirit be in us NOW if we are not clean enough? What Jesus did was sufficient, we truley are Righteous in God's eyes.
The Biblical description: New life begins here and now in this age upon accepting Christ. At death the body is left behind and the person rests with the Lord in an interim state. When Jesus returns comes the resurrection of the glorified body and entry into the age to come, a new heavens and new earth. The glorified person is indeed purged of all capacity for sin. However, it is an instantaneous act of divine grace. For an in-depth analysis of this, a good source would be N. T. Wright's "The Resurrection of the Son of God" and "Surprised by Hope".
So, if you go to Heaven as you are, would you bring sin to Heaven? They already told you how we can deduce Purgatory with a Bible. It is implicit in the Bible much the way the Trinity is. You don’t see the word but you see the idea.
@@donna-marie9100 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place in the afterlife that is neither Heaven nor Hell. In Matt 12:32 Christ refers to the sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” In 2 Macc 12:43-45 they made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin We must be cleansed before entering Heaven because Rev 21:27 tells us that “nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” Saint Paul describes this cleansing process after the judgment in 1 Cor 3:15 What Paul describes in 1 Cor 3:15 Catholics call “Purgatory”. What do you call it?
so God does eventually remove our free will? I worry heaven is mostly a conscious mind-meld where we are no longer fully individual or antonymous. We worship God because we have no choice any longer.
@@joeskis free will is not doing whatever I wish to do but rather it is doing what our intellect reveals as good. Our problem is we don't know what is good or we unable to do what is good. In heaven neither of this is a problem, therefore we utterly free in will in heaven.
@@spinstercatladywe would want it because the whole reason for the fall was so we can have free will. If God makes us with free will and prepares everything according to it... you think he takes it away? He ibviously thinks its something we need to work on so there must be a purpose for it, or else he wouldnt be making logical sense. It's going to be revealed to us but not yet.
@@normmcinnis4102 but we dont get judged until Jesus returns. Are we just sleeping until then? If we arent, maybe pergatory is different for each person. Someone might rest and someone could wake up?
To reject purgatory (purification) just means you reject that you have to be purified before entering into heaven. That means either you must be perfectly holy at the moment of death or impure things can enter heaven. Not sure where you read anything like that in the Bible!
@@SevereFaminewell we would both agree that nothing imperfect can stand before God in His presence. But we would also agree with scripture saying “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”. If both of these are true statements, the logical conclusion would have to be that full sanctification would happen immediately upon death to therefore enter Gods presence. That’s what the average Protestant would believe. Purgatory is no where to be found in scripture and wouldn’t follow the logical flow I just mentioned.
@@ST-ov8cm still no inconsistency here. The sanctification happens at the same time you are in the Lords presence. That’s deduced from, once again, being absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Dont get it. From Medieval teaching of recognized authorities proclaiming the hellish, lengthy sufferings of Purgatory to the current pleasantries of Purgatory. Suggesting that our souls desired thousands of years of suffering would not have made sense to those willing to depart with their money or embrace martyrdom to avoid even some of the pains of purging. Why not accept the tradition or accept the changing nature of the Church? Respect.
@@pixurguy4915Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? (Romans 6:1-4)
So your perfect now and don't sin anymore? Just because you accepted Christ in your life that doesn't mean you are sinless and pure. If you think that your delusional...
So…. Ole Pope Francis said that all religions are a language and path unto the same God? Interesting I haven’t seen this channel address such things? Don’t Pope’splain it… It’s heresy…..
Purgatory makes no sense. It doesn't say 'It is appointed unto man once to die but after this purgatory then the judgment.' Jesus didn't say to the thief on the cross 'Today you will be with me in Paradise but first you have to spend an indefinite amount of time in purgatory.' All these religions that diminish what Jesus did on the cross are teaching false doctrines.
'Tis a part of judgement, just a purification as part of it. Purgatory is a part of paradise, like our worldly sufferings are a part of sanctification, a mortification, and even when we are saved, that process is completed in purgatory.
Salvation already occurred on the cross. If you accept Christ, though dying a sinner, you are marked by the blood of Christ. Therefore once death comes, it passes over you. The sin dies with the flesh because Jesus overcame sin. To require purgatory is to say that Christ did not do enough. Purgatory still doesn’t seem to be theologically tenable.
@@EUSA1776 You're misunderstanding what Purgatory is. Catholics believe, just as you do, that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was once for all and is central to our salvation (Hebrews 10:10). There’s no way we could earn salvation on our own-it’s purely a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). Purgatory doesn’t change that. It’s not a second chance at salvation or a place where people earn their way into Heaven. Instead, it’s the final step in the process of being fully sanctified. Christ’s death forgives our sins and justifies us before God, but we also know we are called to be completely holy (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Purgatory is where any remaining attachment to sin is purified, so we can fully enter Heaven, which is a place where nothing unclean can dwell (Revelation 21:27). The way I see it, Purgatory is actually a continuation of Christ’s work in us. His sacrifice on the cross didn’t just stop at forgiveness-it transforms us. And that transformation continues, even after death, until we’re completely purified. This purification is made possible because of His passion and death. His grace applies to our lives in an ongoing way, sanctifying us through the sacraments, and even purifying our souls in Purgatory if needed (Philippians 1:6). So, far from negating Christ’s sacrifice, Purgatory is made possible because of it. It ensures that Christ’s redeeming work is complete in us, so we can stand in the presence of God, fully cleansed and perfected.
If you love me follow my commands. We can't go around sinning and say the sin will disappear with us. Apostle Paul himself said the same thing. Our conducts have to reflect Jesus . If you don't mind check Dr. Pitte Brant video about purgatory
Christ paid for the eternal consequences of our sins, not the temporal consequences. If he had paid for both, then there would be no need for parents to punish children for their sins (Christ paid the price!) and you wouldn’t maintain sinful addictions after you were sorry
Jesus overcome sin, we are incapable of it, we are, on the contrary, capable of holding sin until death. We must repair this offense, and more often than not, we are unable of repair the damage to God caused by our life of sin, and we desperately need this "bath" to enter Heaven, as we need the bath of baptism to become sons of God.
LOL ....Jesus did everything for man. He went to the cross as an example for humanity to follow. You are asking a free ticket to go to heaven without doing anything. Have you read the Beatitudes, one o them is :Blessed are those poor in spirit for they shall inherit the kingdom of God. Do I need to explain to you the meaning? Your pastor is completely wrong in his teachings to you. You better read the whole Bible again. I did not say you do not need GRACE, grace is what makes you do God's will.
Purgatory is literally a quainter version of hell… This is so sad. A man who claims hope in Jesus but, denys that Christ remits His sins?Jesus came to give us life, and life more abundant. All sins are remitted by Him, in His sacrifice once and for all. Believe in purgatory if you like, but I beg of you, trust fully in Christ alone.
So if you're born again, but say you committed sins afterwards (as we as humans do), you believe that those are automatically forgiven? What if you die before having the chance to ask for forgiveness for recent sins? What if you sin without even consciously realizing it? The idea that we are purged of these sins after death in order to stand in the Holy and Perfect presence of God just makes logical sense doesn't it? ETA There's nothing hellish about this. It could happen in an instant as soon as Christ looks upon us!
@@spinstercatlady Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 2 John 2:1-2
God is a just God, every sin will be punished, Christ's sacrifice on the Cross doesn't absolve you of the sin that you commit while you are alive. Christ simply fixed the connection of man to God which was cut off from the sin of Adam.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyThat's all true, and purgatory is not a condemnation anymore than having to wash up before supper is. Something has to happen to your soul before you enter the beatific vision - you're not entering heaven with a sinful nature. You will be made perfect - not a costume you wear to pretend, but a real perfection of will.
Protestants believe after one accept Jesus and is saved he can go ahead and sin willingly? So he can be a serial killer or a rapist without any remorse and still be saved?
Dr Kreeft is such a profoundly wise man. And after listening to this, he got it from his momma. Wise woman. God bless her.
I’ve personally believed this since a little before my conversion to Catholicism. They also would believe that all attachments to sin somehow get removed from here to heaven. It may not be exact but something happens in between there which is similar to purgatory
Father Benedict Groeschel spoke often of St Catherine of Genoa and purgatory.
The more I thought of it over the years the more Purgatory just theologically had to make sense. Praying for the dead has ALWAYS been an intrinsic element of the human race. It wasn't about 500 years ago when humans suddenly thought this was unnecessary. The very idea of Purgatory further shows the mercy of God and His desire to have us in Heaven with Him.
@@FlexCathedrafromIG I don't think you should use that as an argument though. As christianity is a religion that also teaches alot against things that others might argue to be 'intrinsic elements of the human race'
@@marlena. As I said before to another Prot, Catholics believe that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was once for all and is central to our salvation (Hebrews 10:10). There’s no way we could earn salvation on our own-it’s purely a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Purgatory doesn’t change that. It’s not a second chance at salvation or a place where people earn their way into Heaven. Instead, it’s the final step in the process of being fully sanctified. Christ’s death forgives our sins and justifies us before God, but we also know we are called to be completely holy (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Purgatory is where any remaining attachment to sin is purified, so we can fully enter Heaven, which is a place where nothing unclean can dwell (Revelation 21:27).
The way I see it, Purgatory is actually a continuation of Christ’s work in us. His sacrifice on the cross didn’t just stop at forgiveness-it transforms us. And that transformation continues, even after death, until we’re completely purified. This purification is made possible because of His passion and death. His grace applies to our lives in an ongoing way, sanctifying us through the sacraments, and even purifying our souls in Purgatory if needed (Philippians 1:6). So, far from negating Christ’s sacrifice, Purgatory is made possible because of it. It ensures that Christ’s redeeming work is complete in us, so we can stand in the presence of God, fully cleansed and perfected."
@@marlena. Praying for the dead and taking care of them is not a matter of "human desires", it's an act of charity. There's nothing inherently or even remotely wrong with it. It was intrinsic to the Jewish faith as well. What do you think the ancient festival of what we moderns call "Hanukah" is about, the same sentiments that Even Jesus partook and observed?
@@FlexCathedrafromIGdud I am not claiming it is wrong what.so.ever, just saying the way you said it is not the best argument.
@@marlena. Abel sacrificed a lamb on an alter and it pleased God so much He used it for His people. The Ark of the Covenant, the temple, the gates around the New City of Revelation. Humans glorify God, and He uses those inventions for His purpose. Human things are not always destructive and evil. God spins it to His Glory.
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When I was a Baptist ( I’m now an atheist), I was taught that the dead remain dead until the day of judgement. There was no praying for them, as there decision had already been made.
That was really beautiful
Protestants just believe purgatory happens in an instant while Catholics believe it is a process. You be the judge on which perspective is more aligned with how God seems to work with humanity. Whatever your perspective, it isn’t worth fighting over.
Even still, Catholic theology doesn’t even say it’s a process. There is no magisterial determination saying it lasts any duration of time and important recent theology suggests it may be something that happens in an instant.
I agree it isn’t worth fighting over, especially because that perspective difference doesn’t actually have to exist.
Protestants aren't Christians so it doesn't really matter what they think about it
It is. We have Four points to say what happens when we die if we are in a state of Grace with God:
1 - God Changes us Instantly to be Saints
2 - We Change Instantly to be Saints
3 - God Changes us progressively to be Saints
4 - We Change Progressively to be Saints
(This is context that 'we' is us cooperating with the Grace God gives us, not that we do anything on our own).
The second option is just inherently absurd: why would we immediately cooperate with Grace completely to change instantly, when we have struggled prior to death?
With the absurdity of the second position established, we must then point out that if we would take time to be Sanctified if it were up to our cooperation with God's Grace, then God's changing of us instantly to be Saints would a violation of the Free will.
We ultimately then come to these last two positions, both of which are allowed by the Church and have been debated for Centuries. Both ultimately come to the preeminent trait of the Divinity to the Theologian. To the Thomistic School, while acknowledging that the Divine Attributes are ultimately analogus, would usually be that of Justice (with some Thomistic schools saying either Love or Holiness, but they are, to my knowledge a minority), while the other extreme end, the Scotistic School, would hold the preeminent trait of the Divinity is Love (beyond the even more foundational trait of Infinitude and Eternality).
Yes and no. We do believe in the necessity of moral transformation and that it indeed will be instantaneous upon death. We also believe that a great means that God presently uses to “purge” away the dross of our sin and to refine faith is the pain of trials and our heavenly Father’s discipline. Yet, with all that accepting, we typically recoil at the thought that the “purgatory [which] happens in an instant” takes place via suffering. In other words, upon death the effective means to achieve our moral perfection need not include suffering whatsoever. Scripture allows for various means of sanctifying/transformative grace, and we would suggest that the biblical record is fairly consistent in its teaching that God will in fact do this instantaneously upon death, since the alternative to being (now) in the body, away from Christ, is presented as being with Christ upon death (see 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Luke 23:43).
If you were to ask, “but by what means would God accomplish this instantaneous work?” I could quickly offer these two answers:
1). The beholding of Christ’s glory. In the same way that Paul reasons that we are presently transformed from one degree of glory to the next by beholding Christ’s glory (2 Cor 3:18), the Apostle John extends this means of transformation to our Lord’s second advent; his reasons for doing so are consonant with Paul’s theology (which I just mentioned); St.John wrote that when we see him we will be like him because we will see him as he is (1 John 3:2). Fully seeing Christ for the Christian will have an instantaneous perfecting effect. Just as our seeing in part today, has its ‘part’ial effect now.
2). The second answer I could offer would be similar to how we could reason for Adam’s original righteousness. God simply made him upright. It is not beyond God’s power to work immediately and directly upon the soul of his creatures. While he normally uses secondary causes or means to accomplish his purpose, he can if he so please, work immediately and directly, accomplishing whatever he wants. As was in the case of Adam, where God just simply made him originally without sin (without making him first suffer), God can do that to every Christian upon death. This second point must not be taken as a concession that God will not use a means; the means is beholding Christ’s glory as was mentioned in my first answer. However, it does provide a historical basis for believing that as God originally created man in his own image, without prior suffering, he can perfect that image in man without the particular means of suffering upon death (albeit that man has already suffered before death).
This was written in charity and I pray that further discussion continue in the same spirit.
@@isaias9516 I’d just add that if the purging process does include some suffering (which I would argue the full realization of our sin would) many church theologians have argued that the suffering would actually bring pure joy as it would be experienced with the full knowledge of the destination and experienced with the full love of God.
My analogy would be when the prodigal son returned it may have been painful for him to be seen in his dirty robes with sores on his feet and the pangs of hunger in his belly but he would be filled with joy as his father and his fathers servants clean him, heal him and prepare him for the celebration.
Can a Catholic here answer a question for me please? (a Protestant) If people were to go to purgatory until ready to go to heaven, what was the point of Jesus' sacrifice?
@@e.m.8094 purgatory is a process whereby those saved by Christ are perfected in character to enter heaven. What Christs sacrifice does is make so we can get into heaven by having his righteousness infused into us, however even with Christs righteousness we dont have the perfect character required of sinless beings who enter into heaven, therefore purgatory is a theological necessity.
So you say Jesus sacrifice is basically a license to sin unlimited?
@@tiju4723No, I don’t think they said that.
@@e.m.8094 Jesus opened the gates of heaven and he was here on earth to show us the way of the Cross. Take up your Cross and follow Jesus for he is the way, the truth and the light.
@@Kate-cz2sv I've been a born again Christian for almost 30 years. I was just trying to understand what Catholics believe about "purgatory".
As a Protestant, I think purgatory is similar in type to what we would call glorification. Both Protestants and Catholics recognize a need for a final transformation before we can enter heaven, the difference is the understanding of the process.
@@oldmovieman7550 We can’t really say we have a different understanding of the process since the Church has no teaching on a process.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” which is experienced by those “who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified” (CCC 1030). It never speaks to how it happens or where or for how long.
It’s noteworthy that the Jews believe in purgatory, did in Jesus’ day, and prior. Maccabees mentions it and that was in the Greek Septuagint, by and large the Canon of Jesus’ day and used by the Apostles as evidenced by their quotes from the Old Testament. Maccabees of course contains the Hanukah story. So I think purgatory should in theory be easy for Protestants to accept too. It’s a final sanctification, a final perfection. The less sinful we are the less time and pain we would experience for that final process. Purgatory is one doctrine I’m somewhat perplexed that more Protestants don’t accept.
Protestants recognize a need for a final transformation while crying but the thief on the cross? Sure
Yes, the final and most established form of final mercy and love of God to us before heaven is purgatory, whatever it looks like is ok with me and I pray I will be worthy of burning off any sin there.
@@frekigeri4317 the Thief went to the Paradise of the Fathers, or Abraham’s Bosom. A common error among Protestants is that they think Jesus meant heaven. But when Jesus died on the cross he went to Abraham’s Bosom to set the captives free. There’s a beautiful very Ancient Byzantine icon of him grabbing Adam and Eve by the hands and taking them and the captives, the Old Testament saints and faithful Jews, to heaven with Him. The Thief would have been consoled to know that despite his crimes he would get to go to that abode thanks to his faith in Jesus and repentance and acknowledgement of his sins.
Many protestants believe that any purification needed happens at the moment of death before one is judged/enters heaven. So if it is a process it happens quickly.
Wow, beautiful!
St. Catherine of Genoa (1551):
“I believe no happiness can be found worthy to be compared with that of a soul in Purgatory except that of the saints in Paradise: and day by day this happiness grows as God flows into these souls.”
In some popular prayers and devotions, and in some spiritual writings, purgatory is described as sort of a temporary hell, and differing from hell only in that those in purgatory know they will eventually go to heaven. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church rejects that view of purgatory. The Catholic Church does not teach that purgatory is a place or that those in purgatory experience the pain of fire: purgatory is not a “mini-hell,” and is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. CCC1031
St Catherine of Genoa - Yes !
"As we come to the third Beatitude, we take the next logical step in the progression of the Beatitudes. Acknowledging our poverty of spirit and mourning our sin causes us to be meek. Being poor in spirit and mourning sin pertain to our relationship with God and our sin. But being meek means we may suffer humiliation and persecution from others. Being meek can be quite a challenge because we are inherently selfish and prone to demanding our rights. Meekness requires the opposite. Matthew 5:5: Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (NIV). Talk about a counter-cultural statement. Most people would not agree that God blesses the meek. They associate meekness with being weak, wimpy, and wishy-washy-like a wet noodle or milquetoast. Especially in America. We are the do-it-yourselfers, the pick-yourself-up-by-the-bootstrappers, the fiercely independent. Americans value hard work, assertiveness, and the survival of the fittest in business. We love the story of the underdog who overcame seemingly insurmountable hardship and opposition to achieve success. We don’t value meekness. Jesus’ audience didn’t want a meek leader either. They were waiting for a military Messiah to start a revolution against Rome and preside over a material kingdom in Israel. How could meekness conquer the Roman army? What meekness is not: The word meek has to be one of the most misunderstood words in the Bible. The Greek word is praus. We don’t have an English word that describes all its characteristics. That’s why some translations render the word as meek while others use gentle or humble. Let’s talk first about what meek is not, and then we’ll try to nail down what it is. Meekness does not mean that we are nice. You can be meek and be nice, but those are two different things. It doesn’t mean that we are simply easy to get along with. Some people are easy to get along with because they have no convictions that might offend anyone. Meekness is not someone who goes out of their way to avoid conflict, either. It’s not a person who chooses peace at any cost. That is being wimpy and wishy-washy. What meekness is: Meek is entirely different. It’s defined as “not being overly impressed by one’s self-importance; gentle, humble, patient, forbearing, long-suffering, considerate.”- Bob Jennerich.
5:53 Off. Right there.Forgive me father for I have sinned. And, forgive them father for they do not know what they do... Heavy..
Scary
I had this intense dream week that shook me up so bad I had to search for answers.
No church of any religion knowledge at all.
I look back now and I get so scared I will pray all night so that dream and it’s friends stay the f away.
I was in the dream for a week not fully there during the day and never fully here.
The basic concept of the stages abd words came true a year later and I saw the cover of a album cover from Hozier.
That was what I was in for that week
That photo of the dirt , smell , blury faces and not the real names.
Then after a faith stamp and a big freak out of trauma that was told in the dream made sense.
It was not good for the dream
I was Abit cray cray searching for the truth but it did not come from dead ppl or dreams that did contain any Jesus loving scenes.
Hope it helps sharing just Incase another non related person is also searching.
Shame if the trauma hurts heaps but I know Jesus is real now and my heart is up for orther to know him.
Still slow and riddled with ptsd after the trauma last year but I have wheat farming for our Lord the best I can forever not own gyms and houses like before.
I stay away from any spiritual stories like NDE cause it’s too scary and I would not tell my story cause it’s too hard to find words
So it is just the transformation/switch/sanctification towards our holy body after death? I thought that the RCC view was it being more of a long term place.
Can take a long time depending on your sins.
@@marlena. Kreeft mentions that our relationship with time in purgatory will be much different than what we experience on earth.
@@maxsigmon8804 Like an intermediate state of being-place? There are protestants that believe that, although it is more of a waiting spot without the purging/cleansing.
If more people knew what the Church believes, there would be fewer problems accepting it.
One day, I debated with an Orthodox man, who said: "Orthodox Catholics do not believe in Purgatory, unlike you Roman Catholics"
then I said: But don't you pray for the dead like us?
He replied: "We pray for the dead. We believe that some of them, although saved but not yet Saints, are in the process of purification before seeing God, but that this process is only until the final judgement, the Resurrection of the Flesh, that's why we pray for them during this period."
I replied: But you defined exactly what Purgatory is! This is exactly what we Roman Catholics believe! And he said: Ahhh but we don't have the word "Purgatory" that's what we don't believe.
It was a joke to me... It would be like hearing someone say that they don't believe in Hell, but that they believe that we are free to Sin and turn our backs on God for Eternity 😅
It is effectively the final step of sanctification that we experience post-mortem by the mercy of God and through our faith in Christ, yes.
Curious to what Dr. Kreeft is sipping. I imagine water, but I’d like to think a nice Oktoberfest amber beer.
Did any of you out there know, that, it took Thomas Jefferson 61 years of extremely prosperous and full life experience to have the conviction that God/Christ is real and then became a born again Christian (because of those 61 years of Deist debauchery/sinfulness???)
P.S. do any of you out there please know what denomination of Christendom Thomas Jefferson converted to at the age of 61 years old please??? Thank you.
Speaking of Protestants who believe in Purgatory, check out Jerry Walls.
What God did for us on the cross through Jesus was wash our past, present, and future sin. God got to the root of our sins which is an identity and took care of it. When we put our faith in God's work on the cross, He then calls us Righteous, His children, and Saints. God does not do anything unfinished. He wants no man to boast of his works before His throne so He has done it all for us, this is the faith in Him. Read the book of Galatians. Chapter 2 verse 17 says: but if we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law; then Christ died in vain.
Now after reading the book of Galatians and the rest of the Gospel. You will see God put His Spirit in us when we received Jesus. Please meditate on how could God's Spirit be in us NOW if we are not clean enough? What Jesus did was sufficient, we truley are Righteous in God's eyes.
There's a universalist joke that Protestants made the mistake of getting rid of purgatory when they should've gotten rid of hell
The Biblical description: New life begins here and now in this age upon accepting Christ. At death the body is left behind and the person rests with the Lord in an interim state. When Jesus returns comes the resurrection of the glorified body and entry into the age to come, a new heavens and new earth. The glorified person is indeed purged of all capacity for sin. However, it is an instantaneous act of divine grace.
For an in-depth analysis of this, a good source would be N. T. Wright's "The Resurrection of the Son of God" and "Surprised by Hope".
The More you Know the Easier it is to get yourself into heaven???
Revelation refers to a new earth that descends from heaven?
Quick answer, no us Protestants don't believe in purgatory. Where is it mentioned in the Bible?
So, if you go to Heaven as you are, would you bring sin to Heaven?
They already told you how we can deduce Purgatory with a Bible. It is implicit in the Bible much the way the Trinity is. You don’t see the word but you see the idea.
Did you even watch the clip?
@@donna-marie9100 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place in the afterlife that is neither Heaven nor Hell.
In Matt 12:32 Christ refers to the sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”
In 2 Macc 12:43-45 they made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin
We must be cleansed before entering Heaven because Rev 21:27 tells us that “nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]”
Saint Paul describes this cleansing process after the judgment in 1 Cor 3:15
What Paul describes in 1 Cor 3:15 Catholics call “Purgatory”. What do you call it?
@@donna-marie9100.
so God does eventually remove our free will? I worry heaven is mostly a conscious mind-meld where we are no longer fully individual or antonymous. We worship God because we have no choice any longer.
Why would we want or need free will when we will be in.a state of perfect peace, happiness and oneness with God?
@@joeskis free will is not doing whatever I wish to do but rather it is doing what our intellect reveals as good. Our problem is we don't know what is good or we unable to do what is good. In heaven neither of this is a problem, therefore we utterly free in will in heaven.
@@spinstercatlady then we cease to be the thing God made us to be?
@@spinstercatladywe would want it because the whole reason for the fall was so we can have free will.
If God makes us with free will and prepares everything according to it... you think he takes it away?
He ibviously thinks its something we need to work on so there must be a purpose for it, or else he wouldnt be making logical sense.
It's going to be revealed to us but not yet.
Purgatory is not necessary. God does nothing in half-measures.
Ahhh, so you believe he chooses no measure at all then? Perhaps you believe that Heaven is as much of an abode of sin as Earth is?
Are you perfectly sinless then?
@@ViscountDI That is the whole point of the gospel.
@@normmcinnis4102 but we dont get judged until Jesus returns. Are we just sleeping until then? If we arent, maybe pergatory is different for each person.
Someone might rest and someone could wake up?
@@MicahMicahel actually, the bible does show that that believers who have passed on are asleep and (the dead in Christ shall rise first)
Most certainly don't. Anglicans have a wide range of beliefs and parts are almost Catholic without papal supremacy while other parts are far away.
Simple answer. No. We don’t.
Do you believe anything impure will be in heaven?
@@ST-ov8cm what does that even mean
@@ghostlycookie630. It’s a simple yes or no. The Bible says nothing impure will be in heaven. Do you believe that?
@@ST-ov8cm quote the passage
@@ghostlycookie630 Was that a no? You believe impure or unclean or unholy things will be in Heaven?
We don’t. Glad I could clear that up lol
Oh so you’ll be perfectly holy when you die or else you’ll go to hell?
To reject purgatory (purification) just means you reject that you have to be purified before entering into heaven. That means either you must be perfectly holy at the moment of death or impure things can enter heaven. Not sure where you read anything like that in the Bible!
@@SevereFaminewell we would both agree that nothing imperfect can stand before God in His presence. But we would also agree with scripture saying “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”. If both of these are true statements, the logical conclusion would have to be that full sanctification would happen immediately upon death to therefore enter Gods presence. That’s what the average Protestant would believe. Purgatory is no where to be found in scripture and wouldn’t follow the logical flow I just mentioned.
@@benstagram97 But, you just said, “sanctification would happen immediately upon death”. This is purgatory
@@ST-ov8cm still no inconsistency here. The sanctification happens at the same time you are in the Lords presence. That’s deduced from, once again, being absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Dont get it. From Medieval teaching of recognized authorities proclaiming the hellish, lengthy sufferings of Purgatory to the current pleasantries of Purgatory. Suggesting that our souls desired thousands of years of suffering would not have made sense to those willing to depart with their money or embrace martyrdom to avoid even some of the pains of purging. Why not accept the tradition or accept the changing nature of the Church? Respect.
Our souls are washed clean by the blood of the Lord when we accept Jesus. Presto!
@@krizilloo2538 Great! Then I am free to sing at will.
@@pixurguy4915Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? (Romans 6:1-4)
Doesn't work that way.
Work out your salvation in fear and trembling.
Have you ever lied even after accepting Jesus?
So your perfect now and don't sin anymore? Just because you accepted Christ in your life that doesn't mean you are sinless and pure. If you think that your delusional...
He's over 100?
@@napoleonfeanor he's written over 100 books. He was asked how many books has he written to date?
So…. Ole Pope Francis said that all religions are a language and path unto the same God? Interesting I haven’t seen this channel address such things? Don’t Pope’splain it… It’s heresy…..
Purgatory makes no sense. It doesn't say 'It is appointed unto man once to die but after this purgatory then the judgment.' Jesus didn't say to the thief on the cross 'Today you will be with me in Paradise but first you have to spend an indefinite amount of time in purgatory.' All these religions that diminish what Jesus did on the cross are teaching false doctrines.
did you listen to what the dr said in the video
Tell us you don't understand purgatory without saying you don't understand purgatory.
@@nam3ofus3rThat was clever. Please explain purgatory then if you're an expert.
'Tis a part of judgement, just a purification as part of it. Purgatory is a part of paradise, like our worldly sufferings are a part of sanctification, a mortification, and even when we are saved, that process is completed in purgatory.
@@gabem4208Yes. And other questions?
It doesn’t matter whether Protestants believe in purgatory or not. They will experience it for real
Salvation already occurred on the cross. If you accept Christ, though dying a sinner, you are marked by the blood of Christ. Therefore once death comes, it passes over you. The sin dies with the flesh because Jesus overcame sin. To require purgatory is to say that Christ did not do enough. Purgatory still doesn’t seem to be theologically tenable.
@@EUSA1776 You're misunderstanding what Purgatory is. Catholics believe, just as you do, that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was once for all and is central to our salvation (Hebrews 10:10). There’s no way we could earn salvation on our own-it’s purely a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Purgatory doesn’t change that. It’s not a second chance at salvation or a place where people earn their way into Heaven. Instead, it’s the final step in the process of being fully sanctified. Christ’s death forgives our sins and justifies us before God, but we also know we are called to be completely holy (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Purgatory is where any remaining attachment to sin is purified, so we can fully enter Heaven, which is a place where nothing unclean can dwell (Revelation 21:27).
The way I see it, Purgatory is actually a continuation of Christ’s work in us. His sacrifice on the cross didn’t just stop at forgiveness-it transforms us. And that transformation continues, even after death, until we’re completely purified. This purification is made possible because of His passion and death. His grace applies to our lives in an ongoing way, sanctifying us through the sacraments, and even purifying our souls in Purgatory if needed (Philippians 1:6). So, far from negating Christ’s sacrifice, Purgatory is made possible because of it. It ensures that Christ’s redeeming work is complete in us, so we can stand in the presence of God, fully cleansed and perfected.
If you love me follow my commands.
We can't go around sinning and say the sin will disappear with us.
Apostle Paul himself said the same thing.
Our conducts have to reflect Jesus .
If you don't mind check Dr. Pitte Brant video about purgatory
Christ paid for the eternal consequences of our sins, not the temporal consequences. If he had paid for both, then there would be no need for parents to punish children for their sins (Christ paid the price!) and you wouldn’t maintain sinful addictions after you were sorry
Jesus overcome sin, we are incapable of it, we are, on the contrary, capable of holding sin until death. We must repair this offense, and more often than not, we are unable of repair the damage to God caused by our life of sin, and we desperately need this "bath" to enter Heaven, as we need the bath of baptism to become sons of God.
LOL ....Jesus did everything for man. He went to the cross as an example for humanity to follow. You are asking a free ticket to go to heaven without doing anything. Have you read the Beatitudes, one o them is :Blessed are those poor in spirit for they shall inherit the kingdom of God. Do I need to explain to you the meaning? Your pastor is completely wrong in his teachings to you. You better read the whole Bible again. I did not say you do not need GRACE, grace is what makes you do God's will.
There's no biblical evidence for the fairytale of Purgatory. Sorry to break it to you guys.
Purgatory is literally a quainter version of hell… This is so sad. A man who claims hope in Jesus but, denys that Christ remits His sins?Jesus came to give us life, and life more abundant. All sins are remitted by Him, in His sacrifice once and for all. Believe in purgatory if you like, but I beg of you, trust fully in Christ alone.
So if you're born again, but say you committed sins afterwards (as we as humans do), you believe that those are automatically forgiven? What if you die before having the chance to ask for forgiveness for recent sins? What if you sin without even consciously realizing it? The idea that we are purged of these sins after death in order to stand in the Holy and Perfect presence of God just makes logical sense doesn't it?
ETA There's nothing hellish about this. It could happen in an instant as soon as Christ looks upon us!
@@spinstercatlady Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 2 John 2:1-2
God is a just God, every sin will be punished, Christ's sacrifice on the Cross doesn't absolve you of the sin that you commit while you are alive. Christ simply fixed the connection of man to God which was cut off from the sin of Adam.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyThat's all true, and purgatory is not a condemnation anymore than having to wash up before supper is.
Something has to happen to your soul before you enter the beatific vision - you're not entering heaven with a sinful nature. You will be made perfect - not a costume you wear to pretend, but a real perfection of will.
Protestants believe after one accept Jesus and is saved he can go ahead and sin willingly? So he can be a serial killer or a rapist without any remorse and still be saved?