I prefer to say loose not sloppy (I say the same about Hendrix's playing at times), he definitely had a relaxed approach at times but context is key, a lot of his playing especially on ballads etc was incredibly tight and accurate, but when on their raw rock n roll/blues sounding songs he let loose and played with an attitude that some perceived as sloppiness. I personally love it, he did that raw untamed sound so well. Lets also not ignore the fact that he did definitely have a rough patch towards the end of 70's and 80's when he was strung out on heroin and clearly was not performing at his best, but that shouldn't have a bearing on his overall playing
I kinda laugh at people calling him sloppy, in the sense that it means he was a horrible player or something. For whatever sloppiness he may have had...it doesn't really bother me at all to be honest. What matters more to me is that his work stands the test of time. As the comment above mentions, alot of guitarists from that era tended to be very loose in style. Context is definitely important when examining why those guys played like that. Alot of that loose style of playing came from them being in a time when improvising and not playing songs *_exactly_* like the studio versions every single time was pretty normal. In these instances, players tended to keep the most important riffs and licks intact, and jammed out a little on other parts where there was room to mess around and change things. Some of those old improv performances are truly amazing...take Hendrix's Red House at NY Pop Festival 1970 or Johnny B. Goode for example. And of course other times it would come out sounding more on the sloppy side. That's just the nature of that improvisational approach. Over time the more technical guitar stuff came about, which naturally started to change the focus to more precision in live performances. But of course, in the first place...those more technical styles were directly influenced by Page, Hendrix and other such prominent figures from that era. I'm sure that if being technically precise at all times HAD been their main focus, they could have easily done it.
Bonham wasn’t a metronome either, and that makes the feel. It’s not about perfection although I would say Jimmy could have practiced his way out of the habit of hitting unmuted strings in solos lol
Great video. Thanks for putting in all the work. So much tone also comes from what people never think about. The hands. Give Page any guitar and any amp. He’ll still sound like JP. Thanks for the dedication and great info here.❤
Great job man! I too also chase the JP "dragon" . love the methodology you did to take every knob from 0 to max as reference point, then dial to the right spot on each. And you are for sure squarely in the ballpark, nice job. I can't for the life of me though understand how you can be that close to a 100w HW plexi reissue on 7 and not have your skull implode :-) ! Did you have an attenuator on at all?
I tired to add 2meg pot instead of vol 2 which I connected in series to "volume 1" bright capacitor. It allows to adjust cap bypass at low settings of "volume 1". Very useful for those, who don't use channel 2.
Most enjoyable video. I dig your dedication for your love of Jimmy Page, a hero to all of us inspiring guitarists. Consider this. Jimmy's amps are on full. Meaning his volume knobs are at 7 or 8. And there is the P.A system to consider. That P.A has to fill Earls Court, that's loud! For those of us who have been to a live show the size of an Earls Court know that feeling, that vibe one gets at a live show. It's incredible. Trying to recreate that guitar sound at home or even at a club sized room is unrealistic. The volume from your amp is just not going to be there. But, with a good Les Paul, Telecaster and Marshell 1959 type amp, we could get close enough. And those of us who are fortunate to have played on that kind of set up, knows the feeling, the vibe that can bring. Rock on.
@@daniellaudman8580 good point. I had too much gain anyway even for 73. If I did the video over I would back the volume off one notch and roll my guitar pots off a bit to compensate.
Pretty sure this actually was done pre MSG 73 . A set of JJ6550s will produce all the seventies tones after this show in a real early 70s 1959 marshall with decent preamp tubes . With a set of vintage TungSol 6550s it sounds like Page no matter how you set it or what preamp tubes , I think he actually used the tungsols as KTs from the day were very dark , my 54' KT66s are too dark to emulate his tone .
Thanks so much- like everyone I’ve been trying to achieve this tone for years to no avail- and now an hour spent following your advice and I’m now there. Using positive grid spark amp!!
From an article in Guitar Player July 1977, Jimmy says he was using Marshall 100's modified for 200 watts with the volume up to about "3". This "3" setting actually gives you a lot of the bright cap effect and I think it sounds right.
Truly excellent video dude! Extra points for doing the whole thing on the middle position. So many videos “nail” the tone with the bridge but in middle it sounds off. You did this right!
That amp is bright but that dialed in break up is so good..i love old zep,live cream,old zztop and pre black n black ac/dc for this kind of tone...it crunches and its warm but doeant buzz out like 80s metal jcm matshall amps..good vid
Thanks! Yes I agree there is just so much character to these amps that they really are a different animal. I think even if you had a cheap guitar bought out of a Sears catalog in 1990 it would still sound fantastic through these amps.
Those Rewinds are supposed to be amazing! I got 2 Duncan Antiquities and swapped their positions ..ie put the Weak 7.5k in the Bridge (Changed Mag as well Short A5) and Overwound Unpotted 8.5k A2 in the Neck (Set really Low) Nails the Madison Square Garden 1973 Tone way better than the Duncan WLH Set.th-cam.com/video/xufdLeod3sY/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1
@@jordantee2383 Yes! Mr Jimmy has nailed it(playing & sound). Do you think the grinning dogs may even get closer than the Rewind set?? There are some YT clips of the post 72 JP rewind set but (with respect) the gentleman doesn't play any JP stuff nor through a Marshall or Plexi pedal so one can't really get a handle on it... My (reversed ) Duncan Antiquities get into the Zone. Certainly doesn't sound like a conventional Les Paul
@@bryanwilliams3665I think the grinning dogs nail the position a little better, but the rewinds are absolutely fantastic! Plus the metroplex I'm playing through really helps, and I watch your video and your getting almost spot on with your setup.
Great Video.. Nice playing too. Excellent Earls Court Tone! Pagey had a T Top 7.5k /7.6K in the Bridge which in theory should get even closer, but may not be right in your room as your Marshall (you were sayin) was already pretty bright!.. I got 2 Duncan (Antiquities) I put the 7.5k in the bridge (with a Short A5 Mag Swap) and the 8.5k Unpotted Degaussed A2 in the neck (set really low Like Jimmy did!) Knocks off the 1973 Madison Square Garden Tone . On my channel if you have interest.
Thanks Bryan! Thanks for the info, I have SD Whole lotta Humbuckers which are supposed to be wired like Pagey's but my only criticism is that they are too hot. Im going to try what you suggested because although the Marshall is bright, the pickups do sound too muddy now that I really listen and I would love to get closer to that holy grail 1973 tone. So what is your pickup height set to? Thank you so much!!!
This is so good. You totally nailed it. I agree with everything you said about his tone. I always said the biggest mistake we make when we first start chasing Jimmy's tone is we add too much OD/Distortion. Dirty/Clean is the perfect phrase (just cut me in on the T-Shirt royalties). I had not tried adding slap back to my solos so will be trying that tonight.
What setting did you set the Echoplex pedal to? Just got their Epochboost booster (from catalinbread) and wondering what to set it to with my delay pedal.
Do you have 50's wiring on your les paul? It makes things little brighter but also makes guitar vol and tone pots more interactive, and the most important: rolling guitar vol you don't lose highs. Great for Jimmy stuff. Gibson own pickups my opinion works better with 50's wiring.
@@jaredbader1415 Nice :) Modern wiring is great for more heavy stuffs. Did you know that, it's possible also do a switch to guitar that you can use modern and 50's wiring both just by switch?
Great sound, great playing. Just a few things I would be interested in. Are you using output reduced PAF PUs as well and what speakers are quipped to your cabinet, Heritage Greenbacks or even Creambacks to push the mids a bit?
I'm using SD whole lotta Humbuckers which are vintage wired but a little on the hot side. They seem much more Output reduced and vintage sounding than the BB's that came stock. Speakers are greenbacks, not vintage unfortunately but I'm pleased with the new ones.
I have a Marshall Code 50, and I want to get the Live Jimmy Page tone. The Code 50 has a Plexi preamp preset, a 100-watt power-amp, and a 1960HW cabinet. The settings on the amp are the following: gain: 5 volume: 7 bass: 2 middle: 6 treble: 5 gate: 3 presence: 7 I was wondering if they were the same settings that Jimmy Page used. I also have a cry baby wah pedal. Should I use that to get the Live tone? It sounds very close to his tone, but it lacks the distortion and squeaky-ness of his tone. Do you have any suggestions? I also have a built-in delay pedal, but I'm not familiar with all the settings to achieve that echoplex sound. I can customize the time, feedback, frequency, and level of the delay. Do you think you could help me find the correct delay settings?
Unfortunately you will not get that kind of sound with a Code amp. The Code is very different to a Marshall Plexi tube head. With lots of knowledge and a lucky hand for dialing it in you might get in the same direction of sound but you won’t get close.
I’ve got a 79 2203 and if I put the Preamp just over noon, MV as loud as possible, crank the Mids, Bass on 2, Treb noon, Pres to taste and use the guitar controls for clean/dirty/bright/dark, I can get a pretty good 73-75 Zep tone
Great work, sounds great. What are your thoughts on a 50w plexi or even the new mini 20w Marshall heads? Did you also try lower wattage amps? 100 watt would just be too much for me and fear that using an attenuator would dull out some presence and frequencies.
The ep booster circuit have nothing in common with the real ep3 preamp, use the chase secret preamp or the aionfx ares. The xotic add lots of low end and tends to sound muddy with HB.
That's my area of interest with Jimmy Page the frist four albums and his live sound up to 73..I was lucky enough to meet Jimmy and talk to bit ten or so years ago..he gave me a personalised autograph that I keep in my room,..it says "rock on Daniel Jimmy Page"..prized possession!! 😀
Do yo have stock EL34? Which brand all of your tubes? Which speakers inside cab? A couple of words regarding guitar and pickups would be nice. Thank you in advance!
I'm using all stock. The EL34's are JJ's. The speakers are new Greenback reissues. Guitar is a 2015 Les Paul standard with Seymour Duncan Whole lotta humbuckers. I have just upgraded my pickups to Mr. Jimmy Grinning Dogs though and they are so different I would have to completely change what I did in this video. If I did it over I would back the volume off for a bit less breakup and eq a bit different to compensate for brighter pickups. Honestly these new pickups have so much clarity and brightness I might even bridge the channels on the amp even though Jimmy never did that. The new plexi's are a lot brighter than the old ones so bridging the channels might be necessary.
@@jaredbader1415 I could read that one of the Jimmy's amp modes was internal channel bridge. I also have doubt about Ch1 treble bleed capacitor on volume pot, it is so high capacitance (5nF) almost impossible to get clear sound even at low settings.
Did you use a distorion pedal or fuzz box or something? Or is it just the amp and the echoplex? Ive been trying to find what pedals he used live (especially in 75) and ive seen the "Tone Bender MKii" pop up a lot but Im not sure.
It's just the amp no pedals for distortion. Jimmy didn't use any distortion pedals in 75. Just a turned up Marshall and he rolled his guitar volume off for clean tones.
@@some.weirdo.guitarist thank you! I'm glad it was helpful. When I first got my Plexi I thought I sounded dreadful. It was fine but it just took some getting used to. Just hope this video might be helpful for people who are in the same boat I was.
What pickups are you using? Check out Bryan Williams channel he knew Jimmy's guitar tech back in the period you like. For your period you should have a hot PAF on the neck 8.2-8.6K alnico 2 or unorientated alnico 5 magnets and a 70's T-Top around 7.5-7.6K
Yes I've talked with Bryan and he knows his stuff! Those were SD Whole Lotta Humbuckers and are not a good representation of that time. I now have Mr. Jimmy Grinning Dogs and they really nail it.
Very informative! It's hard to tell what the output is in the room. Do you push the tubes and use a power attenuator, or was that just naked? Also, "clean, yet saturated" is a perfect description for that tone.
Thanks Michael! Yes tubes are being pushed and I do have to use an attenuator unfortunately or I would blow the doors off the room lol. It is a Fryette PS2 though which keeps things all tube so it is mostly the same tone that you would get with a naked amp bearing all. Without as much air being pushed though
Thank you Will! Yes the RAH pedal is fantastic. It is incredibly dynamic and will work with most amps. It takes some tweaking, I've found, to get just the right platform for the pedal. It can sound a bit on the ugly side without the right setting on your amp so you really have to be patient. Once dialed in though you can get really close to that tone from that RAH show. Also I've found that some amps work great with it on almost any setting like the Marshall DSL 2000 loves that pedal.
Great work! This is very close. The slap back echo is key isn't it; I never realised how important that was. I think JPs tone was so bright with the LP and Plexi is because he was used to a Tele into a Vox then a Hiwatt. The Tele middle and bridge positions with the slap delay and drive are very close to JPs tone imho.
I think you are absolutely right! His tone was brighter than other LP players and his tone with that Tele in early Zep is so good. I read that he went with the LP mostly for sustain but yeah he really retained the highs and let JPJ carry the bottom.
My stock 71 50 watt JMP is a bright amp. I have to run the bright vol on 6 to negate the bright cap and even then I keep the treb and pres low or tame it with the guitar controls. Jumpering is another option but I prefer the tone unjumpered. OTOH on my 69 Super Bass, you definitely have to crank the Treb, Mid, Pres and keep the bass low as it’s much darker. Sounds like your JMP 50 is Bass spec or has been modded to be darker.
Hi. Thanks for sharing. Liked. Some tips to think about: What you hear on recording is voicing of cab by mic - it is far away from real cab sound. Try to voice with condenser mic thru good Hi Fi stereo system so the sound pressure from these speakers will dominate. Believe me you will enjoy twice. Belle epoch has very good delay line, but its booster is rubish....it is op amp, not JFET transistor like real EP, but what making it rubish is low pass cut off around ~1kHz. Real EP with Jimmy's setting are flat +9dB boost till ~1kHz, than it has another +3dB at ~2.2khz and than linear rise slope ~12dB/decade . I think your stand alone booster is doing it, but not belle epoch. What do you think about Wah pedal? There is an opinion it was always ON, at treble position.
Back then I had stock burst buckers in a 2015 Gibson Les Paul standard. Now I have Mr Jimmy signature pickups from Grinning dogs pickups in the same 2015 Gibson LP standard.
+1 on a Real good Plexi Pedal.. There's lots of excellent ones out there. I've got a Cmatmods Brownie which is great.. Understand its just as much the pickups as many bands used Plexi Marshalls (Hendrix, Angus Young, Blackmore + Countless Others) yet none sounded like J Page.The "oddball' (unique)thing in JPs signal chain was the Low Power T Top Pickup in the bridge and the Much Hotter PAF in the neck!.. That Weird Combo is NOT commercially available as a Pickup Set from any big manufactures or on any 'Factory Les Pauls'
@@alanhowell3646 Thanks! Here is a video. I'm getting Grinning Dog pups but I still think these WL Humbuckers are sounding incredibleth-cam.com/video/s4TVa6TnKv8/w-d-xo.html
This EP3 replica has Op Amp instead of FET as its input stage. I couldn't believe that they saved money on such important component. Catalinbread reputation is 👎 in my eyes.
Exotic EP3 turned very low to push the front of the amp, Bellepoch pedal for tape delay and that's it. Non master Marshall amp volume on 7 is really all you need even without any pedals
If you want to go down the Jimmy Page Rabbit Hole…. Pick up wiring scheme is extremely important. I’m from the “It’s all in the fingers” school of thought…. but Jimmy wired his pickups out of phase. This is one of the most overlooked details when someone is trying to get close to JP’s tone
@@jaredbader1415 well i stand corrected i have a jvm 2x12 also chasing Page any pedals you could recommend only play at home these days keep up the good work you sound spot on .
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I've never called Jimmy Page sloppy. He came out with his own style that I love. That's not being sloppy. That's called creativity. JP is legend.
I prefer to say loose not sloppy (I say the same about Hendrix's playing at times), he definitely had a relaxed approach at times but context is key, a lot of his playing especially on ballads etc was incredibly tight and accurate, but when on their raw rock n roll/blues sounding songs he let loose and played with an attitude that some perceived as sloppiness. I personally love it, he did that raw untamed sound so well. Lets also not ignore the fact that he did definitely have a rough patch towards the end of 70's and 80's when he was strung out on heroin and clearly was not performing at his best, but that shouldn't have a bearing on his overall playing
I kinda laugh at people calling him sloppy, in the sense that it means he was a horrible player or something. For whatever sloppiness he may have had...it doesn't really bother me at all to be honest. What matters more to me is that his work stands the test of time.
As the comment above mentions, alot of guitarists from that era tended to be very loose in style. Context is definitely important when examining why those guys played like that. Alot of that loose style of playing came from them being in a time when improvising and not playing songs *_exactly_* like the studio versions every single time was pretty normal. In these instances, players tended to keep the most important riffs and licks intact, and jammed out a little on other parts where there was room to mess around and change things.
Some of those old improv performances are truly amazing...take Hendrix's Red House at NY Pop Festival 1970 or Johnny B. Goode for example. And of course other times it would come out sounding more on the sloppy side. That's just the nature of that improvisational approach. Over time the more technical guitar stuff came about, which naturally started to change the focus to more precision in live performances. But of course, in the first place...those more technical styles were directly influenced by Page, Hendrix and other such prominent figures from that era. I'm sure that if being technically precise at all times HAD been their main focus, they could have easily done it.
Bonham wasn’t a metronome either, and that makes the feel. It’s not about perfection although I would say Jimmy could have practiced his way out of the habit of hitting unmuted strings in solos lol
@@asmrbuddha9033 my guess is that he got so ridiculously rich that he didn't care anymore. lol
Great video. Thanks for putting in all the work. So much tone also comes from what people never think about. The hands. Give Page any guitar and any amp. He’ll still sound like JP. Thanks for the dedication and great info here.❤
Wow man. You nailed his tone. Awesome! Great playing man.
Great job man! I too also chase the JP "dragon" . love the methodology you did to take every knob from 0 to max as reference point, then dial to the right spot on each. And you are for sure squarely in the ballpark, nice job. I can't for the life of me though understand how you can be that close to a 100w HW plexi reissue on 7 and not have your skull implode :-) ! Did you have an attenuator on at all?
Lol! Fryette PS2 yes 😁
I tired to add 2meg pot instead of vol 2 which I connected in series to "volume 1" bright capacitor. It allows to adjust cap bypass at low settings of "volume 1". Very useful for those, who don't use channel 2.
Most enjoyable video. I dig your dedication for your love of Jimmy Page, a hero to all of us inspiring guitarists. Consider this. Jimmy's amps are on full. Meaning his volume knobs are at 7 or 8. And there is the P.A system to consider. That P.A has to fill Earls Court, that's loud! For those of us who have been to a live show the size of an Earls Court know that feeling, that vibe one gets at a live show. It's incredible. Trying to recreate that guitar sound at home or even at a club sized room is unrealistic. The volume from your amp is just not going to be there. But, with a good Les Paul, Telecaster and Marshell 1959 type amp, we could get close enough. And those of us who are fortunate to have played on that kind of set up, knows the feeling, the vibe that can bring. Rock on.
Great points and spot on! Thank you!!
Thank you - very inspiring. Nailed the '75 Page tone. I have the Marshall SV20H amp and I'm close but not as sweet as your tutorial. Well done Jared!
Thank you! I bet you are really close with the SV20H. I think I had a bit too much gain after reflection.
In 1975 his Marshalls power amp tubes were changed from el34 to kt 88
Therefore giving the amps more cleanish headroom compared to the 73 live tone
@@daniellaudman8580 good point. I had too much gain anyway even for 73. If I did the video over I would back the volume off one notch and roll my guitar pots off a bit to compensate.
Pretty sure this actually was done pre MSG 73 . A set of JJ6550s will produce all the seventies tones after this show in a real early 70s 1959 marshall with decent preamp tubes . With a set of vintage TungSol 6550s it sounds like Page no matter how you set it or what preamp tubes , I think he actually used the tungsols as KTs from the day were very dark , my 54' KT66s are too dark to emulate his tone .
Plus page used the preamp from the echoplex which is now made as a stand alone preamp circuit box around $200. Bryan knows where to get it.
One of the best Jimmy page tone vídeo ever. Congratulations 🤘
Thanks so much- like everyone I’ve been trying to achieve this tone for years to no avail- and now an hour spent following your advice and I’m now there. Using positive grid spark amp!!
Haha, good job. When I saw the title I thought you meant Finding Jimmy Page like actually meeting him. lol.
From an article in Guitar Player July 1977, Jimmy says he was using Marshall 100's modified for 200 watts with the volume up to about "3". This "3" setting actually gives you a lot of the bright cap effect and I think it sounds right.
@@male3083 probably so. 3 sounds terrible on mine though.
Outstanding! Now I need to figure how to do this with a Fender Deluxe Reverb!
Truly excellent video dude! Extra points for doing the whole thing on the middle position. So many videos “nail” the tone with the bridge but in middle it sounds off. You did this right!
Thanks! Yes, the middle position is where Zeppelin and Jimmy live mostly with lots of chirp 😊
Cool video. I need my Marshall back. For sure.
Outstanding.
That amp is bright but that dialed in break up is so good..i love old zep,live cream,old zztop and pre black n black ac/dc for this kind of tone...it crunches and its warm but doeant buzz out like 80s metal jcm matshall amps..good vid
Thanks! Yes I agree there is just so much character to these amps that they really are a different animal. I think even if you had a cheap guitar bought out of a Sears catalog in 1990 it would still sound fantastic through these amps.
Hey man you did such a good job replicating the tone! Sounds awesome! I gotta try your method on my '73 Super Bass. Thanks!
Wow! Very close to the Page tones - great content
I just turn everything up to 11, drop a couple of tabs of acid and some quaaludes, stick my head in the bass bin and HEY PRESTO ! I'm back in 1975 !
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Wouldn’t the ‘ludes counter act the acid?
@@smelltheglove2038 I can't remember 🙃
@@priesty4783 I remember my days on grateful dead tour in the late 80s, sans ‘ludes, though we did have Valium still.
Thanks man. It's so close. Magic
Excellent rundown! Thank you!
@Jared Bader Great video you play Zepp well, I am still working on that amp, cheers from Canada!
Fantastic! Thanks for the advice, Jarvis.
Loved this. Thanks mayne.
Hi Jared, Nailed the tone. I was wondering what song that riff was from at around 4mins 30
Thanks! It's the verse riff of the song "Sick Again."
Very good 👍, I get really close with my setup too. I have a pair of jp post 72 rewind pickups, and a metropoulos metroplex head.
Those Rewinds are supposed to be amazing! I got 2 Duncan Antiquities and swapped their positions ..ie put the Weak 7.5k in the Bridge (Changed Mag as well Short A5) and Overwound Unpotted 8.5k A2 in the Neck (Set really Low) Nails the Madison Square Garden 1973 Tone way better than the Duncan WLH Set.th-cam.com/video/xufdLeod3sY/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1
@@bryanwilliams3665 yes they sound fantastic, but I'm also now looking into a pair of mr jimmy grinning dog pickups.
@@jordantee2383 Yes! Mr Jimmy has nailed it(playing & sound). Do you think the grinning dogs may even get closer than the Rewind set?? There are some YT clips of the post 72 JP rewind set but (with respect) the gentleman doesn't play any JP stuff nor through a Marshall or Plexi pedal so one can't really get a handle on it... My (reversed ) Duncan Antiquities get into the Zone. Certainly doesn't sound like a conventional Les Paul
@@bryanwilliams3665I think the grinning dogs nail the position a little better, but the rewinds are absolutely fantastic! Plus the metroplex I'm playing through really helps, and I watch your video and your getting almost spot on with your setup.
@@bryanwilliams3665 sorry, meant to say middle position.
Great Video.. Nice playing too. Excellent Earls Court Tone! Pagey had a T Top 7.5k /7.6K in the Bridge which in theory should get even closer, but may not be right in your room as your Marshall (you were sayin) was already pretty bright!.. I got 2 Duncan (Antiquities) I put the 7.5k in the bridge (with a Short A5 Mag Swap) and the 8.5k Unpotted Degaussed A2 in the neck (set really low Like Jimmy did!) Knocks off the 1973 Madison Square Garden Tone . On my channel if you have interest.
Thanks Bryan! Thanks for the info, I have SD Whole lotta Humbuckers which are supposed to be wired like Pagey's but my only criticism is that they are too hot. Im going to try what you suggested because although the Marshall is bright, the pickups do sound too muddy now that I really listen and I would love to get closer to that holy grail 1973 tone. So what is your pickup height set to? Thank you so much!!!
This is so good. You totally nailed it. I agree with everything you said about his tone. I always said the biggest mistake we make when we first start chasing Jimmy's tone is we add too much OD/Distortion. Dirty/Clean is the perfect phrase (just cut me in on the T-Shirt royalties). I had not tried adding slap back to my solos so will be trying that tonight.
Awesome!!
What setting did you set the Echoplex pedal to? Just got their Epochboost booster (from catalinbread) and wondering what to set it to with my delay pedal.
Exotic ep is set to minimum but yours will be more accurate. I would try that pedal set to a higher boost because it's more subtle.
@@jaredbader1415 Great, thanks!
Sounds like JP. Nice one! You have good chops as well.
Do you have 50's wiring on your les paul? It makes things little brighter but also makes guitar vol and tone pots more interactive, and the most important: rolling guitar vol you don't lose highs. Great for Jimmy stuff. Gibson own pickups my opinion works better with 50's wiring.
Good point. At that time I did not but I do now. Big difference!!
@@jaredbader1415 Nice :) Modern wiring is great for more heavy stuffs. Did you know that, it's possible also do a switch to guitar that you can use modern and 50's wiring both just by switch?
@@kuitaristi3003 I did not know that. Pretty cool mod!
Great sound, great playing. Just a few things I would be interested in. Are you using output reduced PAF PUs as well and what speakers are quipped to your cabinet, Heritage Greenbacks or even Creambacks to push the mids a bit?
I'm using SD whole lotta Humbuckers which are vintage wired but a little on the hot side. They seem much more Output reduced and vintage sounding than the BB's that came stock. Speakers are greenbacks, not vintage unfortunately but I'm pleased with the new ones.
Nice video and beautiful Les Paul
Thank you!
I have a Marshall Code 50, and I want to get the Live Jimmy Page tone. The Code 50 has a Plexi preamp preset, a 100-watt power-amp, and a 1960HW cabinet.
The settings on the amp are the following:
gain: 5
volume: 7
bass: 2
middle: 6
treble: 5
gate: 3
presence: 7
I was wondering if they were the same settings that Jimmy Page used. I also have a cry baby wah pedal. Should I use that to get the Live tone?
It sounds very close to his tone, but it lacks the distortion and squeaky-ness of his tone. Do you have any suggestions?
I also have a built-in delay pedal, but I'm not familiar with all the settings to achieve that echoplex sound. I can customize the time, feedback, frequency, and level of the delay. Do you think you could help me find the correct delay settings?
Unfortunately you will not get that kind of sound with a Code amp. The Code is very different to a Marshall Plexi tube head. With lots of knowledge and a lucky hand for dialing it in you might get in the same direction of sound but you won’t get close.
Jimmy Page, a Les Paul, and Skyrim. Brutha from anutha mutha! 🎸🗡😂
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good and interesting. nice playing too thx
I have a 1977 JMP 2204
The amp has a master volume and preamp volume
Any tips?
I’ve got a 79 2203 and if I put the Preamp just over noon, MV as loud as possible, crank the Mids, Bass on 2, Treb noon, Pres to taste and use the guitar controls for clean/dirty/bright/dark, I can get a pretty good 73-75 Zep tone
I think you're on the right track. Well done.
Great work, sounds great. What are your thoughts on a 50w plexi or even the new mini 20w Marshall heads? Did you also try lower wattage amps? 100 watt would just be too much for me and fear that using an attenuator would dull out some presence and frequencies.
the 100 watter has more oomph but you can get the sound with any of them.
Thank you Enjoyed it
The ep booster circuit have nothing in common with the real ep3 preamp, use the chase secret preamp or the aionfx ares. The xotic add lots of low end and tends to sound muddy with HB.
You are absolutely correct. I need to redo this video. I'm having a pedal custom made that is made from components of original echoplex preamps.
Jimmy’s tone in 75 is weak especially compared to 73.
69-73 is where it’s at.
Yes I agree his tone was better then but I still like the Earls Court tone in 75
That's my area of interest with Jimmy Page the frist four albums and his live sound up to 73..I was lucky enough to meet Jimmy and talk to bit ten or so years ago..he gave me a personalised autograph that I keep in my room,..it says "rock on Daniel Jimmy Page"..prized possession!! 😀
Nice work!
Do yo have stock EL34? Which brand all of your tubes? Which speakers inside cab? A couple of words regarding guitar and pickups would be nice. Thank you in advance!
I'm using all stock. The EL34's are JJ's. The speakers are new Greenback reissues. Guitar is a 2015 Les Paul standard with Seymour Duncan Whole lotta humbuckers. I have just upgraded my pickups to Mr. Jimmy Grinning Dogs though and they are so different I would have to completely change what I did in this video. If I did it over I would back the volume off for a bit less breakup and eq a bit different to compensate for brighter pickups. Honestly these new pickups have so much clarity and brightness I might even bridge the channels on the amp even though Jimmy never did that. The new plexi's are a lot brighter than the old ones so bridging the channels might be necessary.
@@jaredbader1415 I could read that one of the Jimmy's amp modes was internal channel bridge. I also have doubt about Ch1 treble bleed capacitor on volume pot, it is so high capacitance (5nF) almost impossible to get clear sound even at low settings.
Did you use a distorion pedal or fuzz box or something? Or is it just the amp and the echoplex? Ive been trying to find what pedals he used live (especially in 75) and ive seen the "Tone Bender MKii" pop up a lot but Im not sure.
It's just the amp no pedals for distortion. Jimmy didn't use any distortion pedals in 75. Just a turned up Marshall and he rolled his guitar volume off for clean tones.
@@jaredbader1415 thank you this helps so much
@@some.weirdo.guitarist thank you! I'm glad it was helpful. When I first got my Plexi I thought I sounded dreadful. It was fine but it just took some getting used to. Just hope this video might be helpful for people who are in the same boat I was.
What pickups are you using? Check out Bryan Williams channel he knew Jimmy's guitar tech back in the period you like. For your period you should have a hot PAF on the neck 8.2-8.6K alnico 2 or unorientated alnico 5 magnets and a 70's T-Top around 7.5-7.6K
Yes I've talked with Bryan and he knows his stuff! Those were SD Whole Lotta Humbuckers and are not a good representation of that time. I now have Mr. Jimmy Grinning Dogs and they really nail it.
Very informative! It's hard to tell what the output is in the room. Do you push the tubes and use a power attenuator, or was that just naked? Also, "clean, yet saturated" is a perfect description for that tone.
Thanks Michael! Yes tubes are being pushed and I do have to use an attenuator unfortunately or I would blow the doors off the room lol. It is a Fryette PS2 though which keeps things all tube so it is mostly the same tone that you would get with a naked amp bearing all. Without as much air being pushed though
Pushing that amp without the Fryette would be enormously loud!
Nice, love the skyrim map too lol
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Great video! Thanks for taking the time to do this! By the way, what are your thoughts on the RAH pedal from catalinbread?
Thank you Will! Yes the RAH pedal is fantastic. It is incredibly dynamic and will work with most amps. It takes some tweaking, I've found, to get just the right platform for the pedal. It can sound a bit on the ugly side without the right setting on your amp so you really have to be patient. Once dialed in though you can get really close to that tone from that RAH show. Also I've found that some amps work great with it on almost any setting like the Marshall DSL 2000 loves that pedal.
I really like the weird way it behaves with low frequency chords, like a fuzz -very cool! Great for No Qtr rhythm.
Great work! This is very close. The slap back echo is key isn't it; I never realised how important that was. I think JPs tone was so bright with the LP and Plexi is because he was used to a Tele into a Vox then a Hiwatt. The Tele middle and bridge positions with the slap delay and drive are very close to JPs tone imho.
I think you are absolutely right! His tone was brighter than other LP players and his tone with that Tele in early Zep is so good. I read that he went with the LP mostly for sustain but yeah he really retained the highs and let JPJ carry the bottom.
are your pickups out of phase? I had a 1971 50 watt JMP and those old ones are super dark. I used to run bass on 0 everything else on 10.
Right! The reissue Plexi's are really bright. Would love to get an old one!! Pickups aren't out of phase but am using SD whole lotta humbuckers
My stock 71 50 watt JMP is a bright amp. I have to run the bright vol on 6 to negate the bright cap and even then I keep the treb and pres low or tame it with the guitar controls.
Jumpering is another option but I prefer the tone unjumpered.
OTOH on my 69 Super Bass, you definitely have to crank the Treb, Mid, Pres and keep the bass low as it’s much darker.
Sounds like your JMP 50 is Bass spec or has been modded to be darker.
Cool!
Do Page Has inverted pickupa ? Beck on bridge and bridge in Beck posision or.this is.rumours ?
I think his neck was hotter than his bridge but not because he switched them. That's just how they were.
Hi. Thanks for sharing. Liked. Some tips to think about:
What you hear on recording is voicing of cab by mic - it is far away from real cab sound. Try to voice with condenser mic thru good Hi Fi stereo system so the sound pressure from these speakers will dominate. Believe me you will enjoy twice.
Belle epoch has very good delay line, but its booster is rubish....it is op amp, not JFET transistor like real EP, but what making it rubish is low pass cut off around ~1kHz. Real EP with Jimmy's setting are flat +9dB boost till ~1kHz, than it has another +3dB at ~2.2khz and than linear rise slope ~12dB/decade . I think your stand alone booster is doing it, but not belle epoch.
What do you think about Wah pedal? There is an opinion it was always ON, at treble position.
Thanks for the insight! Hmm wah always on? I don't think Jimmy did that. I think that would be a way different tone.
Wha Pedal on? No..He didn't have that on according to Clive Coulson when I spoke with him ( Jimmy's right hand man).
RAH era Page is my favourite tone 👍
Killer tone from that show!!
Hell yeah I’m sure you’re familiar with the Catalinbread RAH pedal?
@@brianmcdermott281 Watched a few reviews of them , very interesting 👍
6:50 sounds like tommy iommi too
What pickups do you have in your lespaul? What model lespaul?
Back then I had stock burst buckers in a 2015 Gibson Les Paul standard. Now I have Mr Jimmy signature pickups from Grinning dogs pickups in the same 2015 Gibson LP standard.
@jaredbader1415 Thanks, great sounding
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Good point
Cool :)
To the best of your knowledge, what overdrive pedal would get near that tone?
Catilyn Bread RAH pedal. It's not a Marshall tone but does Hiwatt very well. I think there are some pedals that are Plexi's in a box
@@jaredbader1415 Thank you!
+1 on a Real good Plexi Pedal.. There's lots of excellent ones out there. I've got a Cmatmods Brownie which is great.. Understand its just as much the pickups as many bands used Plexi Marshalls (Hendrix, Angus Young, Blackmore + Countless Others) yet none sounded like J Page.The "oddball' (unique)thing in JPs signal chain was the Low Power T Top Pickup in the bridge and the Much Hotter PAF in the neck!.. That Weird Combo is NOT commercially available as a Pickup Set from any big manufactures or on any 'Factory Les Pauls'
Sounds pretty damn close to me
@@alanhowell3646 Thanks! Here is a video. I'm getting Grinning Dog pups but I still think these WL Humbuckers are sounding incredibleth-cam.com/video/s4TVa6TnKv8/w-d-xo.html
This EP3 replica has Op Amp instead of FET as its input stage. I couldn't believe that they saved money on such important component. Catalinbread reputation is 👎 in my eyes.
@@andreybrodianski5596 yep. I'm using a Clinch Eppre now that has FET.
Bravissimo!!!! 🤘🏻
Thanks!! A bit long but considering the subject matter it kind of had to be lol
@@jaredbader1415 It was a really good explanation you did..
What pedals do you use to get this tone?
Exotic EP3 turned very low to push the front of the amp, Bellepoch pedal for tape delay and that's it. Non master Marshall amp volume on 7 is really all you need even without any pedals
If you want to go down the Jimmy Page Rabbit Hole…. Pick up wiring scheme is extremely important. I’m from the “It’s all in the fingers” school of thought…. but Jimmy wired his pickups out of phase. This is one of the most overlooked details when someone is trying to get close to JP’s tone
Out of phase was post Zeppelin.
His pickups were switchable out of phase , so wasn't constantly phased 👍
Great work but i thought Page used hiwatt amps 73/75
He used Marshall for guitars and Orange for his theremin. He only used Hiwatt briefly in 1970
@@jaredbader1415 well i stand corrected i have a jvm 2x12 also chasing Page any pedals you could recommend only play at home these days keep up the good work you sound spot on .
Which tubes are you running?
JJ's EL34's
@@jaredbader1415 -Cool, thank you.
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Tragic.
Lol!
Wher is Jimmy
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A lot of the tone is created in the studio post show, ie no quarter live so it's impossible to fully recreate imo
Yes that is absolutely right 👍
True but if you go an listen to bootlegs, you can hear the tone is very similar to what you hear on the produced live records
I bet you'll sell a lot of les Paul's this year