Tour of Canadian Pacific's Heritage fleet! R.C.P. , 2816, and Heritage fleet's repair shop
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- This was a really awesome and one of a kind experience. It's neat to see behind the scenes of railway's, especially if it means I can see my favorite steam locomotive H1-B Hudson 2816.
Canadian Pacific really outdid themselves when they built the Royal Hudson in this Fleet it is absolutely beautiful
2816 is not a Royal Hudson--it's an earlier H1b version not so named.
2816 isn’t a royal hudson
It's truly my dream to visit these buildings at Ogden yards. Although #2816 is (at the time of writing) under steam and hauling exertions, I would still love to go.
Tbh. I was worried thinking that the cpr 2816 was gone for good, but after watching this video, I have never felt so relieved in my whole life
Those passengers cars are gorgeous!!!
Love this collection, very impressive. So much detail and history
I did the millwork install on these gems
Awesome to see equipment kept in that condition, great job!!!
The Empress will wake up someday....just someday....
2816 Productions why is she not running. She seem to be in good shape and condition to run. (I’m kinda new to the hobby and I’m American so I don’t know why)
@@tryhardanimationsstudios5167 the locomotive was decommissioned by CPs last CEO, that late E. Hunter Harrison. It was stored in the pavilion in downtown Calgary for a long time before being moved to the heritage building in Ogden.
The locomotive needs it 15 year boiler inspection to run again. The rules for steam (since the 40s) have been every 15 years or extensive number of miles, the locomotive is to receive an inspection to ensure it doesn't need major repairs. 2816 needs that, plus the various tests so it can be recertified to run again. Even though it is in good enough condition to be fired up tomorrow thanks to CP taking great care of it, legally it can't run until it is recertified.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions CP needs to wake up and see the world needs The Empress. If I owned her and a CP passenger fleet I would run her out of Toronto to Vancouver and back doing a weekly service.
@@KTHedleyBassoon CP knows the Empress is there, and they're taking good care of it. It is expensive to maintain and run a steam locomotive. If you ran cross country every week with that locomotive, you would need to charge $20,000 a ticket just to pay for the expenses, never mind profit. You would need a water truck at every crew change point and a fuel truck at every second crew change point. You would need to make routine stops to pump more grease cakes in the drivers, and oil the side rods. You would need to make sure that where it was held at night it could be kept indoors or at least wiped down before the crews left.
Plus it would get in the way of freight trains, meaning it would get put in every siding eating up more time, so it would take at least seven days to get from the east to the west.
Keep in mind - I love steam, and one day I hope to work on steam locomotives. But the railroads didn't stop using steam because they weren't cool, they stopped using them because steam chews through money. It costs the railways more to run a steam locomotive for one day, than it does to run a diesel for six months.
As awesome and alive as steam is, it's just not practical in the modern world. Its purely for nostalgia and show.
Tryhard AnimationsStudios I wonder when CP 2816 will run again
Me as a American citizen I can’t tell you how Manny times I have wanted 2816 to be back in Service and I hope she does one day :)
It’s alive again
I'm glad Creel takes a liking to 2816 and CP's heritage alone. But I hate when people don't understand that he's got more important things to do like running a railroad. Once CP is where he wants it, I'm sure 2816 will return. I'm glad she wasn't neglected for this brief retirment.
Amen, you said it!
Try telling that to Mr. Creel's predecessor. I didn't like it when he was in charge of Canadian Pacific. Think that his mentality was to love God and hate the CP.
I think those are used for the cp holiday train
Canadian Pacific #2816 needs to make a return someday. For the better of not only Canadian Pacific, but for Canada.
Bring back the empress!
TheBlueComet832 2816 deserves another chance. Double header with 2860 across Canada.
@@kieranbricker3278 Yes sir!
As an American who loves Canada, I agree with you 1,000,000 percent.
Cool video Ghost Pine Film Productions. Being from US, I always have a passion for Canadian railroading. She's my favorite steam locomotive to. Can't wait to see her steam up one day.
2816 just woke up yesterday
2816 woke up last week
CP should purchase a second engine from KCS
Perhaps Canada's answer to Union Pacific's Big Boy? Hope 2816 is back in steam someday. From an American who loves Canada.
EXCELLENT video!
I too had the same experience in the 1980's having a private tour of the MOUNT STEPHEN and WENTWORTH (at that time), while in Montreal doing research at CP'S archives.
Rode briefly on either the Sheanuarsy or Strathcona meeting the 2 vip's on the Canadian enroute to Calgary as a invited guest for the centennial of the driving of the last spike at CRAIGELLACHIE NOVEMBER 7TH. 1985.
TOO bad that 2816 was not on static display for cp's 150 train last summer!
That's awesome pjasyl! When the 150 train was going on 2816 was in the pavilion in down town Calgary, just after it was moved to CP building 3. It is still in operating condition and only needs a boiler inspection to run again, I'm hoping it'll run soon.
if i have a lot of money to bring it to oppearation but i restore 2860 insteed
CP Rail had great archives at that time and published the paper CP Bygones.
@@davidpost428 No question. CP had a GREAT archives collection!
Too bad that CP board of directors did not stand firm to keep the archives in house instead of donating to the former Delson railway museum.
The late Omer Lavallee must have turned over in his grave! He was a close friend of mine.
During my research trips to the archives at Winsor station in the 80's I got to know all the archives staff quite well! It was a pleasure to know them!
I have several months editions of the former C P Rail News in my railway collection.
Very nice. So sad for 2816. As a US Citizen. I hope to see her one day once she’s back to steam.
I'd love to see her back under steam as well!
Trainboy Robby me too I hope for the same as well
Count me in, chaps!
Greetings from the future, she’s back once more!
2022 UPDATE:
After 10 long years 2816 is finally gonna make a comeback.
Please tell me this is true please!
@@rudycarlson8245 It is, CP is hoping to have it running sometime in 2023 for a run to Mexico once their merge with KCS is official.
@@evanf1293 yes! Do you know what is the status of the overhaul?
@@rudycarlson8245 This video from this filmed earlier this month. th-cam.com/video/Q1BYWqimOJA/w-d-xo.html
It’s alive now
You're right, Robby. CP did put 2816 to bed properly. She looks in great shape. Once Rapido Trains releases the HO Scale non-streamlined Hudsons, I'm planning on buying a model of 2816. Kinda sad to see 1400 leaving the fleet for a quiet retirement as a static display piece, though.
Yeah, those Rapido Hudson's are cool, just a shame he doesn't know the classes, as a result some of the details are incorrect but the sounds are sure nice. It is irronic and a shame that the only CP FP9a is the one that doesn't run anymore.
While I'm happy to see 2816, realistically the chances of it running again in excursion service are slim because I don't think anyone in Canadian Pacifics current management team would want go through the effort and the cost of restoring it to running condition again which is a shame because I'm sure it brought out a lot more people and brought in a lot more money to the company as a whole when it was running, that is before Hunter hellrason showed up and ruined everything like he often did, but like everyone else I hope it runs again
As of 2023 2816 is undergoing restoration again to return to steam in preparation for the CP-KCS merger.
Well... She's currently running exertions. 🙃
CP private cars are use by top brass for entertaining big costumers or share holders of the compagnie.Handling those cars with special care is essential.
When I wporked for CP Rail at Windsor Sttation oi n in 80's each of the Regional Vice Presidents had their own private business car.
the private cars are just used for the holiday train
Too bad they never held on to their first road diesel Baldwin 8000 and got it running again. Thankfully it's preserved in Squamish at the WCRA Rail Museum.
It is not what you know but who you know that counts in life, :-) Nice
Just seeing this video of the inside of those passenger cars sometimes I wonder how people were used to narrow walkways in the passenger cars back in the 20th century back when steam still ran.
Bring back the empress!
Why wasn’t 2816 running and why was she in the building all day
@Minecraft Productions and that was me it was a speculation but it's highly possible
Mr. Harrison’s first name is Ewing Harrison.
When was the 2816 converted to burn oil?
During it's restoration in 2001
@@ghost_pine_film_productions Let’s hope she comes back in steam soon!
Cp 2816 was been taken out of service.
forever?
Looks like it.
@@jacksalvin364 No bro she getting a boiler inspection for safety , she is totally gonna run again, for now she in the Ogden yards in Calgary were she being stored until rerestoration.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Right.
Hi there Trainboy Robby-
Loved your video on the Business cars. I was a private secretary to the VP in Window Station back in the 60's and traveled on the Wentworh and also on the b.c. "Quebec". Brought back many good memories. Any chance you have a video of the "Quebec"?
Thnx. Brian Ronayne.
Windsor Station..I worked there in the early eighties
I would love to see CN get 6167 back and have a fleet like CP.
Or 6218, which I I believe is in a park near St. Thomas, neglected and slowly being vandalized!
Peter Clare I am gonna see it in the summer
I live in London Ontario
Hey CP now that you have donated an SD40-2 to Delson what are the chances of donating one to a museum out west? Maybe say Squamish the second largest rail museum in Canada. It would be nice to have one of those classic engines preserved out west as well, since they were such a part of Railroading out here in the West as well!
Thanks for reply.
With Harrison gone , chances have improved GREATLY that 2816 will steam again!
When you were at the shop were you able to find out if 2816 only needs a minor boiler inspection, or a major overhaul?
T he cars out doors what are they,any names, also what is that CN CAR?
Well 2816 is in perfect working order, but every 15 years a steam locomotive has to have a boiler inspection of the tubes and flues and all that. It's a Canadian railraod regulation that hasn't changed since 1940. A major overhaul is not necessary as it was put to bed properly and was kept indoors at all times. I believe those passenger cars are part of the Heritage program's future but they could also be going on Keith Creel's private train. I'm not sure the story of the CN car. Nore do I know any of the names of those passenger cars outside. I know 2816's canteen (auxiliary water tender) is under the white tarp and tool car number 29114 is out there.
Thanks for reply!
What's the story of the private train?
To bad that CP will not resume travel on the RCP train to the general public!
CP'S pr has improved but has to shed Harrision;s ghost.
I miss the sound of a train.
The RCP can still be rented out by the public, they are just kept inside out of harms way. Hunter Harrison left a car outside and it got really sun faded, so CP wrapped it and turned it into "the spirit of tomorrow". Keith Creel, the new CEO of CP, has his own personal train called CP1. It is non-accessible to the public, but he has a bar car, a gym car, and a sleeper. As well as his own tail car that looks like a theater car. He also uses RCP cars VAN HORNE, KILLARNEY, STRATHCONA, CRAIGELLICHIE, & MAJOR ROGERS. The F units 4106, 4107, and B unit 1900, as well as rebuilt FP7A 1401 all pull the Heritage fleets train. And I hope 2816 will pull it again one day soon!
Thanks for the information on the spirit of tomorrow car. i was wondering where the car came from, also on cp1.
Is the major rogers car a recent addition to the RCP fleet?
Do you have mth's models of the VAN HORNE, KILLARNEY, AND STRATHCONA? If so could you do a video of them.Considering purchase of these cars to go with my mth cp passenger cars.
I hope you are able in the future to again gain access to the RCP storage, and repair shops?
No problem pjasyl, I'm not quite sure how new MAJOR ROGERS is but it has had its seats redone recently, it is a coach car. MTH does not make models of VAN HORNE, KILLARNEY, or STRATHCONA, however Golden Gate Depot make super cool and scale 85' heavy weight cars in O scale. I have almost the full set. Now they, as are the MTH cars American prototypes, which is accurate for the KILLARNEY as it is a Pullman car and is 101 years old. When I get my new layout up, I will post a video of my O scale 2-10-4 Selkirks, 4-8-4 K1a northern 3100, and my O scale 4-6-4 H-1b 2816. And my dad is customizing a Golden Gate Depot observation car called MOUNT KEY. If you would like MTH Observation cars in those names, get a hold of Black Cat decals, they make Canadian Pacific decals for passenger equipment, and all their decals are very nice!
Rest well my dear 2816
Hope someday the cp will rebuild 2816 and return her to pulling trains again
They don't need to rebuild 2816. It just needs a boiler inspection which re-certifys it for service. It would also need a hydro test and a few other small tests, but other than that it is still in good enough condition to hit the rails.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions yeah but hopefully it'll happen but only time will tell
For 300 subscribers go back to that building and see 2816 again.
I hope when CN Rail will allow the city of St Thomas Ontario to connect their tracks to CN I hope they can get 2816 in St Thomas Ontario.
I doubt it, but you never know.
I just hope that 2816 can run again and 2860 could follow behind as another train or I would love to see them run side by side on a double track
I hope she runs again soon too.
Even a double header of those 2 trains would be neat to see. Now I know what I heard was 90% the 2860. I cant remember what I was doing but clear as day I hear this whistle. I got so confused as it most definitely sounded like a steam whistle. But there are no steam engines running. Little did I know they were running 2860 in the area. So angry I didn't know it at the time.
Spencer Arthur When was this?
@@kieranbricker3278 she did a couple excursions in the Lowermainland between 2007 and 2011.
@@kieranbricker3278 cant remember exact dates or how many excursions she did. There are TH-cam videos of her though
Nice video. I wonder if the loco still has its maker's plate.
Thanks, and indeed it does. 2816 was built by MLW in December of 1930
Sure hope this new guy loves 2860 as well. Let's get these trains breathing again.
Sure would be nice, but unfortunately 2860 is owned by the province of British Columbia so CP can't so anything with it. 2816 has a chance though!
@@ghost_pine_film_productions I know it owned by WCRA I think it is abbreviated to. The engine resides in Squamish. I think it needed some maintenance though. Anyways wouldn't I need CPs permission to run track? Not 100% sure who owns that track. Pretty sure its CP.
Spencer Arthur CN owns the track I think and that may be why 2860 can’t run. If it was CP they probably wouldn’t care.
At least 2816 is still assembled. Let's hope by then they take a leaf from UP's book and start bringing other CP steamers back from the dead. Repatriated 2837 and 2929, dare I hope?
As cool as it would be, often when a museum gets a steam engine they won't let it go. Jubilee 2929 in steam town is supposed to go to the railway museum in Cranbrook BC in the next few years. Pacific 2317 needs a full re-restoration. I'm not sure the condition of 2837. The good news is, that what ever CP does with 2816, they can't scrap it. It's a national treasure so it is illegal to scrap her.
CP should buy 2860 too.
H Hunter Harrison didn't want anything to do with steam engines. Since he moved on to CSX . CP should take steps to get this engine back on the rails of the CP system .and show her off. Enough money was spent to haul her back to Calgary and restore her so she shouldn't be sitting inside gathering dust.
is Canadian pacific 2816 is restored it could run again and maybe do a excursion in Illinois like in 2004 2816 did a excursion from Chicago IL to stuarvunt WI on the Milwaukee district North
She's pretty much operational from what I hear. They just need to do an inspection that they need to do every 15 years. All she needs is fuel, water and a flame.
Awesome video and work! How did you get on the property though? Does CP offer tours?
No, I just know the person in charge of the heritage fleet.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions Oh cool!
Do you know when they will do a special passenger train again?
No
Hi Robby Philip (Philip Kirman) from Chicago where did you find the shops
They're in CPs Ogden yard in Calgary AB, not accessible to the public though
Has there been any talks of 2816 to be steamed back up again? Or no?
Yes, but I can't say any more than that.
All I can say is she needs the boiler inspection before she runs again.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions has there been time frames put out there like when it'll be given a boiler inspection or is that up in the air?
I hope 2816 will return they shouldn't be keeping her shut up like that
It did
For Canada 150 last year why didn’t the get 2816 operational for the Canada 150 train
It needs a boiler inspection which is a $200,000+ job and it takes a long time to complete as they have to take out all the tubes inspect the flume sheets and firebox checking for any damaged stay bolts. Also at that time F7a 1401 just got a brand new prime mover and genorater as well as a new paint scheme so it was kind of like a test for 1401's new equipment.
Trainboy Robby do u know if there still working on it?
No it was complete a while ago along with F7b unit 1900. The next projects are 4106 and 4107.
Trainboy Robby I was just wondering when will 2816 project start?
I'm not sure
If CP wants the engine to steam again then why arent they giving her the boiler inspection she needs, or even planned one?
Money and time
Trainboy Robby how much do you think it will take for the inspection?
Not sure
So is 2816 retired now?
No
Just a question but what's the difference between a overhaul and boiler inspection because they both involve around rebuilding the locomotive I can't figure out what's the difference is!!!!!
Boiler inspection is just inspecting the boiler for problems. It involves no rebuilding. Overhaul is where the entire engine is dissasembled and completely restored. 2816 got an overhaul in 1999. It just needs some repairs and modifications, not an overhaul.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions thank you because I knew a steam locomotive than went out of service in late 2015 for a 15 year inspection and it still hasn't returned to service yet also if an overhaul takes a few years to take like how it took 3 years to restore 2816 then does an inspection only take a few months or a year or 2 just asking I'm sorry if ask too many questions I can't help myself sometimes and I get a bit carried off sometimes I'm sorry
@@atsfevan0242 I'm not sure how long an inspection takes exactly, if there are no problems I assume it would only take a couple of months. With problems it would likely depend on how expensive and necessary they are to repair. I'm not 100% sure though. Also ask as many questions as you like, it's good to learn as much as we can about old stuff while we still can. I ask questions all the time.
I see and thanks
What music did you use for the part with 2816? Also can I have a link to it?
It's called beautiful mind by Travis A King.
Thanks I just really like it and it matches the scene
Is she in the condition that she just needs a few inspections and then of she goes?
Sort of Grand Trunk Studios, she needs a full boiler inspection where they completely dismantle, test and replace (if need be) every part of the boiler. It's mandatory in Canada for a steam locomotive on class 1 railway to have this every 15 years. These rules haven't changed since the 1940's.
Trainboy Robby I'd be 28 in 15 years!
So for now I am gonna maybe buy a williams o scale CP 2816
I'll be 30!
It doesn't take 15 year to complete the inspection, it just needs one every 15 years. Also it's Weaver who makes an O scale 2816 I don't think williams has. I've got the Weaver one, and am modifying it to look like the modern 2816. I'll be doing a video on it in the future!
Where is this place I want to there to talk to Mr. Kreel
Kieran Bricker Mr. Kreel does work in the Heritage building or the heritage repair shop. He work at CP headquarters which is in Ogden with the other buildings, however not just anyone can go talk to him. You need to make an appointment with him and even than there is no guarantee you'll even get to see him.
Trainboy Robby I’m happy Mr. Harrison is gone.
Ya he wasn't the best CEO although he did make a pretty good profit for CP
Trainboy Robby
Keep in mind that Mr. Harrison also lost CP quite a few customers in the process of his CP modernization scheme. He did the same thing during his short tenure at the helm of CSX, and look where CSX is now.
Do a vlog for 200 subscribers
I won't do a vlog, but I might do a special video.
Just a thought but is it possible for 2816 to run without getting any repairs after not running for nearly 7 years I mean Iowa interstate 6988 ran last year for the first time in 6 years and it didn't need any repairs so why can't it be for 2816 too and she looks fine to me from the video and nothing looks worn out, busted or need of repairs so why can't the canadian pacific do it I mean e hunter Harrison is dead so can we just steam it up again since he's the one who started all of this!!!
Well, in Canada, there was a law put in place back in the 30s that a steam locomotive needs a boiler inspection after 15 years of active service, or every couple hundred thousand miles. The laws haven't changed since. 2816 is is good enough condition to be fired up now, but because of that law it must go through the inspection. Also it needs a few things repaired internally, as steam locomotives are super complex machines.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions I see well thanks and its the law that all steam locomotives have to go through an overhaul every 15 years why exactly?
Evan's Meazord reviews: Not an overhaul, boiler inspection. It is done incase a flume tube, the crown sheet, stay bolts, flume sheets, fire bricks, steam exhaust pipes, or anything else inside the boiler is on the verge of failing, they can catch it early. Problems with the flume tubes and sheets can cause excess pressure in the boiler and flood the fire box. Stay bolt failure causes leaks between the bolt heads and the interior of the boiler jacket resulting in rust. Failure of fire bricks can lead to poor firebox insulation, thus resulting in lower temperatures and less efficiency. Crown sheet failure can result in extinguishing the fire, or a boiler explosion. So to avoid misshap and possibly expensive or fatal repairs down the road, they check the whole boiler for any problems, and fix them accordingly.
@@ghost_pine_film_productions I see also thanks for the information too and I'm guessing that it's inspection hasn't started since a year after this was recorded and has there even been a date announced when it will start?
@@atsfevan0242 Not sure if they've started yet, at least not to my knowledge.
My real question is, will it ever run again?
2816 or the RCP?
2816.
Could you please give me a comment?
Oh yes sorry, I was in the middle of moving. 2816 was put to bed properly so it is real easy to fire up and run, however, the same rules apply now for steam engines as they did in the 1940's. Which is every 15 years it's boiler must be inspected. During a boiler inspection, everything in the boiler is removed, tested, and then put back. So after the boiler inspection they could run her. Everyone at CP wnats to see her run so I would say yes, she will run again!
Trainboy Robby only time will tell if that beauty dance along the rails again
Robby where did you find 2816?
It's in CP building 3 at Ogden in Calgary AB. However there is no public access to see her. My dads friend works at CP and he is also in charge of the heritage program so thats how we got to see 2816.
Trainboy Robby is his friend Mr. Kreel?
No, we're not that lucky. His friend is one of the employees of the Heritage program is all.