Should You Supplement With Melatonin? - Rhonda Patrick
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- In this video, Rhonda covers:
(00:00) Melatonin's other use case (besides sleep)
(02:33) Does supplemental melatonin affect endogenous production?
(04:23) Why melatonin is a powerful antioxidant
(07:12) Is it possible to go overboard with antioxidants?
(09:27) Can melatonin mitigate radiochemotherapy side effects?
(10:50) Melatonin supplementation for managing blood pressure
(12:21) Possible fertility benefits of melatonin
(13:34) Anti-cancer effects of melatonin
(14:03) Does supplemental melatonin have adverse side effects?
(16:52) Does Rhonda supplement with melatonin?
(17:26) Claims that melatonin supplements contain more than advertised
(18:21) Rhonda's preferred melatonin supplement brand & dose
(19:07) Melatonin for preventing night terrors
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Can you take melatonin and magnesium glycinate together before bed?
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As someone who suffered with Chronic fatigue there is some evidence it helps relieve symptoms. I get fewer relapses from taking it so i keep taking this suppliment.
I take melatonin daily. I see no issue, so far. I have lupus so I get my blood checked every 90 days & there has been no negative effects.
Whatever "my blood checked" means..
Been taking 1mg before bed for over 10 years. No issues. No desensitization.
Look into lymphatic therapy and ozone treatments, colonics, food sensitivity test and Dutch tests for lupus. It is helping me.
I've been using between 0.5 mg and 1mg of melatonin before sleep, for at least 10 years. It literally saved my life. I had severe issues with falling asleep and it worked for me like a boss. Also, when you take a very low dose melatonin before bed, it jumpstarts your serotonin conversion (problem I seem to have) and your body does the rest of the job. I've never become resistant to this low dose. It always works the same. I went from barely sleeping to sleeping normally. Also larger doses make my dreams unpleasant and excessively vivid. The way I got to doing this was a sleep clinic. I did the overnight sleep clinic monitoring and then they sent me to a specialist that explained how this works and told me to try this protocol. And I never looked back. When I add magnesium before bed I sleep amazing. So 1mg of melatonin and about 100mg of magnesium and I sleep like a baby.
Have you tried anything else before committing to melatonin?
And how long before bedtime do you take it to have an effect, did it ever not work?
I also have a bad time with my sleep which I can't seem to fix, I started trying melatonin which sort of helps but not all the time
Ty so much for this
Healthy and beautiful as ever Rhonda
As always THANK YOU❤
I love this. Thaaaank you for your thorough and honest sharing. I benefit from it for sure (as a 48 year old female good luck to anyone figuring us out LOL its me myself and I in my n of 1 experiment, ha!)
I have been hesitant to rely on melatonin so I keep going on and off it, so your review has shed some really helpful light on my usage of it. I have my magnesium and glycine dialed in during the day, no heavy meals at night dialed in, continue to dial in my exercise and I am in pretty decent shape for 48, but now feel so much better about the fact that there is nothing wrong with melatonin being helpful to me. Thank you.
Rhonda is cute. Doris Loh is much better if you want to be serious about melatonin.
I just listen to whatever Rhonda Patrick and Andrew Huberman say, so when they contradict each other I'm so confused, haha.
Huberman has been proven to be wrong on a lot of things, so listen to Rhonda for sure
Huberman is wrong on melatonin. Easy.
10mgs a night for years and vivid, Spielberg extravaganza dreams! Love it. Thanks for this info.
As a functional nutritionist, it is known that improper balance of b vitamins can be the culprit of night terrors. Stress and diet can be the cause of poor b vitamin levels in the body. Just thought this might help.
Good talk. I'm undergoing a fairly mild chemotherapy for an eye cancer. Fatigue has been the biggest problem. Increasing my Melatonin from 3 to 10 mg nightly has been a game changer, I'm able to work better and longer. Prof Reiter has been taking 100 mgs for over 20 years so it's very safe, but 10 mg does the job for me.
You are going in the right direction reading Russ. You might want to watch Frank Shallenberger video on high dose melatonin and cancer. The video is already a few years old. Then better read latest papers authored by Russell Reiter and Doris Loh. With a cancer, 1000 mg per day minimum becomes interesting.
@@cgaumerd Thanks mate, Dr Shallenberger just blew my mind. I'll add 5 mg time release Melatonin with my morning coffee to the nightly 10 mg dose. At least.
@@marcjames3487 No. Time release melatonin is not a good idea. Russel Reiter is quite clear on that. I have also found that many of my clients with autoimmune diseases react to melatonin 5 mg or 10 mg tablets. After switching them to 60 mg pure melatonin capsules without excipients, no more adverse reaction. Same melatonin batch. Some people react to the standard excipients..
Have you looked in to Thomas Levy and ascorbate?
Melatonin supplement caused me to have insomnia. It has the reverse effect for some people.
maybe its your obesity
How much do you usually take if you don't mind me asking
@branjay3588 The first time I tried melatonin it was 2mg. That was the first time in my life I experienced insomnia.
Very interesting! I've been taking 2-4mg for the past 8 months & I've felt bad for "abusing it" & not coming off (as it was just so convenient as it usually takes me a bit to fall asleep); so this was all very pleasant to hear.
Another thing I actually researched about melatonin a few times over those 8 months was if it has any effect on muscle mass, as that seemed to improve quite a bit for no particular reason (that I was aware of anyway).
_Also, I'm a 25yo male & I also take Mg, Zn, L-Tryptophan & D3/K2 before bed (along with other things throughout the day) & my sleep tracker says my deep & REM sleep are pretty much maxed out 90% of the time & melatonin does tend to help a bit with that (but I've only done limited testing...)_
*Anyway, thank you for this video!*
I've been taking 1mg before bed for over 10 years with fantastic results.
D3/K2 is best in the mornings; Omega-3s are better late; that could be age dependent.
Interesting and makes sense with the healing powers of REM...sleep. I try to stay grounded outside w the sun as much as possible. (healthy way)
Hey Rhonda. Love your videos
I also take melatonin and I track my sleep. Do you also have a sleep tracker Garmin? Have you noticed deep cycles with melatonin? Have you noticed your rem sleep not as high as normal?
Whats the summary yes or no and how much?
Hey Rhonda, i just want to say that i really have learned a lot watching/listening to your podcast over the last years. Thanks for that,
I would just like to suggest one topic, if it's within your domain or knowleadge, Do you know anything about ketorash? Take myself for an example, Everytime i go into ketosis (i have measured with a stick) then the next 2-3 days im getting acne around my neck, breast and back. I have tried keto diet every year for the last 5 years and same result.
Again, thanks a lot for your content!
Hey😌I will like to make a comment on your post, I’m so sorry☹️about your experience with keto rash, actually I have been doing the ketogenic diet over the past 9 years and I have never developed that kind of keto rash. I can tell you that I was trying to help my brother in law to get into Ketosis a month ago when he was on vacation in my house.
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I was very worried about it. Fortunate it wasn’t the kind that developed a pigmentation and can be dangerous specially for people with type I diabetes.
The Dr gave him antibiotics for it.
He didn’t want it continue with this ketogenic journey so he when back to meds.
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I forgot to mention that I really admire and respect Dr Rhonda☺️she’s amazing.
Good luck 👍
Don’t give up🙏
@@gloriamcdonough987 Thank you, Yes it's really sad because i honestly feel so much more healthier and energised with keto. I want to go full keto lifestyle but im scared im screwing something up. doctors in sweden does not know anything about this either
There is more than one symptom of herxheimers - yeast/biofilm die off.
Rhonda can you please touch back on sulphorophane/ sprouts again soon to update us on any new literature? Are you still taking sprouts regularly?
I’m convinced that there is widespread melatonin deficiency due to our artificially guided circadian cycles and constant exposure to RF radiation and artificial lighting. As such, a little supplemental melatonin is hugely beneficial in a wide percentage of the population. With that said, I have not had good luck with robust doses of melatonin. So far 10mg is the maximum I can tolerate on a daily basis.
Pineal gland calcification.
My naturopath once told me that long term use of melatonin, especially at higher dosages, can induce in neurological symptoms.
I've read that there are studies that showed that supplementing with melatonin, can increase new bone regrowth and help possibly help with Osteoporosis
Your naturopath is not properly educated on melatonin. Change naturopath.
@@cgaumerd He certainly seems very knowledgeable. He teaches and his wife is a MD.
@@masteronionnorth2341 obviously not.
He has probably had a lot of practice spewing incorrect information
@@um4668 no people have sincere belief in what that think they know.
Thanks for this video. I read Dr. Michael Colgan many years ago and I remember him saying that melatonin is at the top of the hormone cascade and that it can have an affect on other hormones when it is diminished. He also said that as we age, our melatonin levels drop at a pretty fast rate and, if I remember correctly, this drop starts in our 30's or 40's. Do you have any information regarding these two things? I've been taking 1-3 mgs of melatonin for the last 15 years. It does help me get to sleep. Its mostly said that you should take the minimum needed dose if you know what that is. For me its been 1-3 mg's.
I take 10 mg and it really helps with sleep.
Same!
You take everyday?
@@denny8111 just about every day, I may take a night off from vitamins occasionally.
Can melatonin reduce cortisol influence pushed into the early slow wave sleep?
Have you ever had experience with Melatonin in suppository form? My Naturopath suggested this since the dosage can be quite high (200mg per suppository). It did help me sleep but the dosage seems really high. Just curious
Have taken it daily for 30 years.
I know italian doctors that have been using melatonin for preventing and treating cancer ( of course along with other substances) even in big doses it has shown no harmful effects.
Is it better than Alprozolam or Rivotril ( a pharmaceutical drug).
My personal anecdotal evidence is that whenever i come off Melatonin after extended use I have trouble sleeping for a week or two after. The data can say what it wants, but my body becomes at least slightly dependent on the Melatonin I'm supplementing with. I try to avoid it.
I saw one study, I don't remember where, that found that melatonin had the ability to cleave AGE crosslinks, at least in vitro. That, I think, is unique.
Not sure why Huberman is so against taking melatonin.
This is just speculation, I think he said he had very vivid dreams in a negative tone once. Some people get such vivid dreams that they wake often, which is me
Same as Attia, they are only human. They got convinced in the past by who they considered authority figures and never researched it themselves. I can bet money they would change their minds after reading the research, but I can tell you from my own experience, there is a million billion subjects to deep dive into, and only so much time. That being said, they should be called out for this, as they state this as a fact, as if they did the research, and with their level of authority (well earned), people believe it's true.
@@seanolivas9148 it is usually a temporary side effect...
@@biskupftm absolutely. I respect and follow three of them.
Is it safe for epilepsy patients? My seizures are well controlled just wondering because sleep has been a challenge lately at 54 years old
I used to take 20 before bed time, otherwise I won't be able to fall asleep. Later on I started HRT and I take only 5mg bc I do too many interesting activities to me :) instead of trying to wind down. I've never had vivid dreamsbor nightmares probably bc I've never recalled my dreams.
Whenever I take it. It doesn’t feel good. Waking up the grogginess is on another level and don’t feel rested.
Maybe a lower dose would be better for you. I take 1 mg.
@@mattlane2590Our body makes melatonin. I would rather increase my ability to make melatonin than risk supplementing it. Recently kicked caffeine to the curb and that has drastically improved my ability to sleep.
I’ve been taking extended release melatonin and am able to sleep longer.
Early morning infared light.
In G6PD deficiency can glutathione reductase benefits from supplementing melatonin !!
Night terror tendency is indicative of cortisol/melatonin ratio being higher for cortisol? Is this blue light influence increasing cortisol?
I have heard that blue light can drive "high beta" brainwaves from what I have studied it drive stress, anxiety, obsession, etc. I've also heard it can be nutrient deficiencys. I've had some night terrors and I think some of that was mold exposure. In my episodes I prayed to Jesus/God and the darkness lifted like a fog dispersing.
What about mega dosing (I.e. Doris Loh zealots)?
Mega dosing is fine, very important if cancer.
I have struggled terribly with hot flashes for 19 years. Sheer misery. I had my ovaries removed and due to blood clots I cannot take estrogen. I have tried absolutely everything. I found it interesting that melatonin can help in cooling the body. I think I will give it a try.
Out of curiosity have you ever watched any of Barbra O'Neils videos surrounding wild yam and other herbs?
Get a DUTCH test. Mine was very revealing and helpful for my hormone levels.
What about Herbatonin, which is plant based?
It’s my preferred brand actually, it’s perfectly doses at 0.3mg. Micro dosing melatonin is the best way
So if it's plant based it must be better? You should try Amanita phalloides extract. It's also plant based :)
Thank you for sharing. I've heard of tart cherry increasing levels of melatonin.
Roxanne from "A Goofy Movie"
I always wake up at 3am. It's frustrating. I have tried melatonin and many other natural supplements.
I read on the different supplement pages where I can order melatonin from - that ppl with autoimmune conditions should avoid taking it..
Does anyone has some insight on that ?
I'm on immune repressing medication.
I would love to hear about this since my wife has lupus
@@branjay3588
Have your wife try colonics, electro lymphatic treatments (or get a whole body vibration machine), DASH hormone test and a food sensitivity test, my estrogen and progesterone were low and cortisol was off the charts.I also found out my body hates wheat, tomatoes and black pepper. I corrected my shortcomings and I'm feeling better. I am scheduled to get ozone treatments as well. They are supposed to be great for lupus patients. Do a yt search for Dr. Howard Liebowitz/ozone. I don't want any pills.
what's you stance on those who take up to 1000mg of melatonin daily? among them are a melatonin expert who have researched Melatonin for 15 years. She is using melatonin as an energy booster!!!! all through the day - and she talks about melatonin as not being a sleep hormone
What's her name?
20 mg!!??? 😱 wow
My thoughts exactly…
I have taken 40mg several times 🤷🏽♂️
Dr. Rhonda stated that melatonin is made in the pineal gland but failed to mention that by far the most of it is made in the gut. She also failed to mention what may be the most important point that almost all melatonin is synthetic and is probably not near as effective as the natural plant derived form also available.
What company sells natural plant derived melatonin?
There are different forms of melatonin? I thought it was all the same
Could you please explain why you are not mentioning how melatonin supplementation may inhibit production of testosterone?
Where did you read that?
@@shubhamvibhuti HubermanLab, I think it was in his guest series with Matt Walker
I shop with companies that will provide a certificate of analysis.
If high doses of melatonin are so beneficial why does the body produce so little?
It's called aging.
20mg? My God… .7 is quite enough for me to feel an effect.
@drrhondapatrick @foundmyfitness have you studied Doris Loh and Russell Reiter’s findings? We are talking 1000mg + per day for anti-cancer, alzheimers, glaucoma, macular degeneration issues
I would be very surprised if Rhonda would not have read those papers. This video is general public.
Dear Rhonda, thank you very much for the General Public melatonin presentation. You made me smile with you reference of 25 mg per day as high dose melatonin. I use anywhere from 900 mg to 1800 mg of pure melatonin in 300 mg capsules. You might want to give it a try. I've been doing it for more than a year. You made me laugh as you dropped down to 10 mg. Melatonin use is counter intuitive. Once you break more than 1000 mg per day, a new world opens up.
I think you are very confused with your numbers.
What do you mean ?
@@elduderino1329what's do you mean.? What's not clear with 900 mg to 1800 mg, 300 mg pure melatonin capsules ? 10 mg and 25 mg to which Rhonda refers to ?
What are the positive effects you feel from such a high dose of melatonin? I am curious 😊
If large dose of melatonin reduces inflammation excessively then like Prednisone, melatonin will cause insomnia.
At low dose sometimes. At 60 mg or more per day, most side-effects quickly disappear as dosage is increased, not to return.
Well othets suggest taking up to 1 - 2 grams during a day. Its more powerful than glutothione.
Indeed, I use anywhere from 900 mg to 1800 mg per day. I have taken up to 3000 mg with no side-effects.
I like valerian roots better
No !!!
Melatonin gives me nightmares.
a totally testo killer
No. The opposite, actually
@@StarHarvestOfficial no,u need to look up ALL the doubble blinded studys on testo levels in male and melatonin
@@StarHarvestOfficial btw,what type of testosterone things gains also has something to say..u want muc DHT,free test,convertion inhibitors,blockers...testo is not just testo
Didn’t find any study on humans showing that
No sir...is is not
No you should't :) You are welcome :)
Melatonin can make u extremely depressed. Be careful