The Back Of The Box! Tapering And Doming The Back Of A Guitar Rim

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
  • Demonstration of a simple, low tech method of tapering and doming the back edge of a guitar rim.

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  • @scottborchardt1779
    @scottborchardt1779 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I tried this method for my build and found it to be spot on! I am using a 15’ radius on the back. I measured the depth of the radius dish and used that measurement for the center mark of the template. When I finished with the chisel and block plane, I was left with 20 minutes of sanding with the radius dish. Fantastic advice!

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It;'s pleasing to know that my presentation was particularly helpful. Thank you for watching.

  • @MalenyFieldsForever
    @MalenyFieldsForever 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Makes a big difference seeing someone demonstrate this technique.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If a picture is worth a thousand words, I figure a motion picture with monologue is worth a good 10,000 :)

  • @johnpeters211
    @johnpeters211 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just did this method and actually like it better than cutting the taper into the sides before bending. I got very close with the chisel/plane and then build a form to go on either side of the body with the side profile depth and taper. Used a sanding block to get the rest of the way to specs ensuring it is even on both sides as well as tail/heel block sanded smooth with taper.
    Thanks for the video!

  • @juswoodshop
    @juswoodshop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are the man, Kevin.

  • @davidadecker1
    @davidadecker1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video. I'm going to use your technique on a replica of a 1937 Gibson L-00 that I am just starting!!

  • @yunowot
    @yunowot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unbelievably useful video instruction, thank you.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. I'm very pleased to know that you found this useful.

  • @ianbooth4255
    @ianbooth4255 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Kevin. Love your videos and your "pragmatic" approach. Just one thought. Once you've achieved the finished shaping of the sides, why not make another paper pattern so that you can copy the finished shape to the next guitar?

  • @dalgguitars
    @dalgguitars 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's not the "size" of your pairing chisel that matters; it's how well you use it. At least that's what I tell myself. (Thank you so much for making and posting these videos! I find them extremely useful.)

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's absolutely true, but i choose a wide chisel because its width is a way to help me stay on the rim, but I've used a 1/2" chisel with equal success.

  • @kenyonfennell5003
    @kenyonfennell5003 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great information,
    Thank You

  • @grayd135
    @grayd135 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi. I've just started trying to build my first acoustic guitar and this video has been absolutely invaluable. Thank you so much for creating and posting it.
    Much appreciated,
    Gray D

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're very welcome! And GREAT GOOD LUCK building your guitar.

  • @johnford7847
    @johnford7847 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks again, Kevin. Your videos are always informative and encouraging.

  • @thefreese1
    @thefreese1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this video .. nice concept... and better detail as to what to look for while driving the bus than a lot of other luthiers post ...thanks

  • @user-nn9go6tj3b
    @user-nn9go6tj3b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had luck on my first and only build by making a pencil on a block and sliding it around the sanding dish inside before any plates are glued on. I jack up the ribs at neck , and equalize the waists.Then I cut it out on a bandsaw (clumsy). I might use a recip saw next time, maybe clamp it in the vice and roll the ribs through it. (scary).

  • @JohnScime
    @JohnScime 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As always, a very informative video lesson. After a decade of repair and restoration work, I'm on my first build currently and this information will come in very useful in a few weeks. Thanks again from about 300km north. Js

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for your comment. I'm glad you derived benefit from the demonstration.

  • @guywihn1658
    @guywihn1658 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this excellent tutorial.

  • @jonahguitarguy
    @jonahguitarguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This will be a handy guide for sides. Thanks Kevin.

  • @earlsinstrumentsandtunes9732
    @earlsinstrumentsandtunes9732 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm going to use some of this method because it is better than what I've been doing. Thanks for sharing your techniques. Looking forward to hearing the new guitars!
    Reply

  • @short6691
    @short6691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nicely done! In particular the method for quick removal of material.
    I mark the interior with a domed fixture that rests on the top. It is adjustable so I can adjust the neck to heel block taper angle.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your method sound very intriguing. I'd be very interested in seeing pictures or video of that.

  • @NeverTalkToCops1
    @NeverTalkToCops1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Straightforward, clever!

  • @davidjennings9253
    @davidjennings9253 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video - very informing.

  • @codelicious6590
    @codelicious6590 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im very interested in hearing that beautiful bass when its finished. I love acoustic basses!

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stay tuned. I'm carving the neck tomorrow. It should be done in about a month. I'll certainly do a video on the results.

  • @walterrider9600
    @walterrider9600 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you

  • @BlaisPianoGuitars
    @BlaisPianoGuitars 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It will be really cool to maybe hear them.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stay tuned. I expect it will be another three months until these three guitars are complete.

  • @GarlandStringedInstruments
    @GarlandStringedInstruments 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is almost exactly how I do it too - great technique!

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's nice to know that others employ the same or similar technique. I thought I might be the odd man out.

  • @doakwolf
    @doakwolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really enjoying all of your content! A relatively new subscriber, and many thanks for sharing your knowledge!

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm very glad that enjoy the content and hope that I can produce more videos that you find useful.

  • @alexisakin
    @alexisakin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you! The video resolution is very good now!

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks. I did some more homework on the issue and found that it isn't the camera. It's the export quality from the movie editor. I like the improvement also:)

  • @bradhibbitts6901
    @bradhibbitts6901 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exactly the way I do it with some minor variations thanks

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good to know I'm not out there all alone. Thanks :)

  • @Apillicus
    @Apillicus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing

  • @tomallen8527
    @tomallen8527 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Kevin. That was very informative for me. I’m going to my shop right now to try it on my build. I have a question though. A friend of mine uses a 51 foot radius for his top. What do you consider when you decide the radius of your back and top? Thanks again.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I choose a radius for top in accordance with my tonal goal for a particular guitar and the stiffness of the top I am using. For example, a midsize guitar where I want balance with a little added presence in the trebles, would warrant more doming in the top, especially if the top I have is very flexible. With respect to the back, I increase or decrease the doming in hopes of increasing flexibility (more low frequency presence, slightly mellower , flatter back) or more doming for more punch or percussiveness. I use dishes in 40 ft., 30ft., and 25 ft. I think I should make a 20ft. and maybe a 15 ft. specifically for backs.

  • @jacobthellamer
    @jacobthellamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At what point do you put on the kerfing/lining? Do you sand again to get the radius/ramp right for the back?
    I have been doing it before taking it down to the final dimension, should I change what I am doing?
    I love your alternative to turnbuckles! I did an almost identical version because of what I had on hand.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The kerfed lining is installed as the next stepfather this video. I install it as closely as I can, following the dome of the rim, staying even with or slightly proud ( about a 1/64" ) of the rim, then touch up the doming to bring the linings perfectly flush. I Don't install the linings before doming because I'm frequently removing so much material from the back edge of the rim that I would lose the lining all together.

    • @jacobthellamer
      @jacobthellamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thepragmaticluthier thanks!

    • @andrewmazurkiewicz105
      @andrewmazurkiewicz105 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's also a lot less work just sanding the thin sides. It would be easy to install the kerfing and use a block plane to trim it down to the sides. Cheers Andrew

  • @patrickoleary936
    @patrickoleary936 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Kevin! Will the 5 /16 rule only work with a 25' Radius? Thanks again for sharing.

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As the radius decreases, say to 20 or 15 feet, that 5/16" will slight ly increase and of course, decrease as the radius increases, but the difference is very little and the dimension I gave is not critical. You could probable decrease that to 1/4" and be just fine. It's all done as an effort to put you closer to the desired shape and reduce the amount of sanding time.

    • @patrickoleary936
      @patrickoleary936 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thepragmaticluthier This method ended up working out great! Thanks Kevin.

  • @johnhannasmusicaladventure8104
    @johnhannasmusicaladventure8104 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Kevin what is the radius of your dome sander, also do you just one radius or different radius for different types of guitars ?

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I used a twenty five foot radius for the guitar in this video. I also use a fork foot and thirty foot dome. As I consider the body size, materials used and the intended character of the guitar I'm making, I will change that radius. Generally, a shorter radius equates to stiffer plate. Thank you for your question. I should have mentioned all of that in the video.

  • @grandadsworkshop2455
    @grandadsworkshop2455 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As all your videos to date, good content and information, thank you for taking the time Kevin. I know you said you use a 25' radius on the back but could you tell me what radius do you prefer on the top please? and why?

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The radius that I choose for an instrument top is governed in part by my assessment of its flexibility; the more flexible the top, the shorter the radius. I use 40 ft, 30 ft., and 25 ft radius dishes. My choice for a back radius is based on a similar notion, equating a stiffer back with a more percussive response.

    • @grandadsworkshop2455
      @grandadsworkshop2455 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for that Kevin that's cleared some of the fog 😄👍🏻@@thepragmaticluthier

  • @user-vh6mf2ys3m
    @user-vh6mf2ys3m 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    17:38 how do you calculate the diameter of the sanding dome?

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I understand your question correctly, the answer is in a video i posted just two days ago. th-cam.com/video/5st9wVvKNyM/w-d-xo.html

  • @BobStCyr
    @BobStCyr 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why would you not use a plane to remove that material rather than wait till the end - far more controlled - if you had a 3/4 inch piece of wood with a rough edge would you use a chisel first and then a plane?.

  • @MrDaveKC
    @MrDaveKC 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems like a good technique to me?

    • @thepragmaticluthier
      @thepragmaticluthier  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Put it to use and let me know how it works for you.