My daughter and I built an AMD65 kit with original barrel and it has over 15,000 rounds through her with no hiccups. She always cleaned it after shooting especially with corrosive surplus ammo. We had an IO Inc. AK that lasted just over 2,500 rounds before the barrel was dead. She replaced the barrel with a surplus one and its back up and running.
One of the appeals of chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels would be the authenticity of it. And for accuracy, just use some AKOU accurizing vodka and you're good to go.
Battlefield Vegas says that with their full auto AKs, the Romanian barrels in their converted WASRs have yet to burn out after literally tens of thousands of rounds. And this is a full auto range that goes through an obscene amount of full auto use, way more than a typical infantryman would, I would say. They've had trunnions crack around 80K-100K rounds, but said they've never needed to replace a barrel on one and they're still going strong.
Their accuracy standard isn't good enough for drawing any conclusions. Their standard is: "as long as round isn't keyholing silhouette target from 10-25yds, barrel is good..."
@@AkOperatorsUnion Yeah, I will say that. I do wish they maybe confirm zero at like 100 yards at least. Regardless however, I'm surprised that the rifling on the barrels arent completely shot out by like 20K or 30K, which is what I hear is typically the case with ARs.
Thanks for another excellent informative and entertaining video, bought an AK Operators Union Local AK47-74 T-shirt last week to show my support! Keep the great videos coming !
I found this channel around the time I got my first Ak. This one of my favorite TH-cam channels now I enjoy every video and I'm always excited when I get a new video notification. I'm glad somebody as knowledgeable as Rob keeps making these great videos you can go anywhere and find AR15 videos but there is only one place to find this level of Ak information and entertainment
@@Andrew-dm8mk , I would too they seem like a pretty good company, but since I live in CA they won't play with us like a certain other "atlantic" company does.
Even when shooting a basic semi auto schedule with mag dumps a chrome lined barrel with last about a third longer. On an AR it's a non issue cause how issue a barrel replacement is imo. But on the AK you need a hydraulic press and other tools to get it done.
My friend has a Wasr and a Hungarian underfolder he has had since he was 14, he's now 53 years old. He has over 100,000 rounds through both and it's still accurate with the original barrels.
How are you going to prove 39 years of shooting? Google Ron from battlefield Las Vegas and read his blog on ak high shot count. He states that the ak is very popular among visters who come to his range. He stated that between 80,000 - 100,000 rounds he get a catastrophic failure in the front trunnion would crack or the barrel would get burned up and that was in a 2 and 1/2 year period shooting high volumes of rounds through it. My friend has achieved this from 39 years of shooting. I just thought I would share this with the group.
I'm not trying to promote any weapon. I understand there are idiots on the Internet that lie. I asked my buddy Paul G if he changed his barrel out cause I was under the impression that 30,000 rounds it was time to change the barrel out. I'm 40 years old and I remember my dad's buddy shooting the same rifle when I was a kid. I looked up if it was possible to shoot 100,000 rounds thinking maybe my pal exaggerated his claim but I've always known him to be a straight shooter. He let my 16 year old son shoot it at his strip pit/ private range and he was hitting a tree stump at 60 or 70 yards. I'm telling you what he told me and I believe him and again I am not trying to sell a favorite ak manufacturer. He had 3 as and sold 1 in 08 during Obama Era for $1200. He told me he didn't even pay $500 for all 3 back in 80 and 81 when his dad purchased them. I'll try to figure out how to start a youtube career so I can post some videos. I'm just a guy who likes guns and I like this channel because you all are fans of AK's as I am. I'm glad I did start paying attention to some stuff on the Internet cause I almost but a Ras47 a few years ago until I found this channel and quickly changed my mind on that pos and got a wasr. I just used that reference cause that guy has a shooting range and he rents weapons and he would definitely have several weapons on high round counts. I've had my wasr for a year and probably gave less than 2,000 through it. It's just to pricy to shoot 7.62 every weekend. I'll pick at my buddy Pauls brain tomorrow and get the skinny on it so I can give you guys more details.
It's not a story bubbaI . I asked my friend what.he changed out on his rifle and he said nothing. I'm sorry I understand you don't know him but I do and I believe him. The AK is a tuff rifle. I live in southwest Missouri and I invite Robski to come check out our weapons and to inspect our rifles. I'm not bull shitting you bubba. This guy is legit and I'd love to.show you what this rifle has been through.
I’d love a comparison of barrel life between using bi-metal jacketed ammo (what 99% of us shoot through an AK) versus copper jacketed ammo, especially through an authentic chrome lined AK barrel. For the sake of the experiment, it helps that Tula makes both.
@Jim Beam yeah, I saw that. Awesome bit of science. But AKs have always used bi-metal jacketed ammo, and I wonder if 7.62x39's larger bearing surface, lower pressure, and/or lower velocity have any effect on barrel life. One thing to note on luckygunner's test, though, is that even though bi-metal jacketed ammo definitely kills barrels faster, it was still more cost effective over time. The amount of money you save over time by practicing with Wolf or Tula ammo will pay for - and then some - the additional cost of having to replace your AR barrel early.
Great video, Rob! Your channel is a seriously great source of no BS information and we appreciate it. I love your dog in the background! I hope to one day have a German Shepherd.
I have had good luck with American made nitrite barrels, it seems as though there is bore friction that results in greater accuracy. Only complaint about nitrite barrels is that you have to get the headspace perfect or you will have a catastrophic failure.
Worst round to use in regards to longevity of a barrel is the blank round. I have seen hundreds of burnt up barrels after 23 years in the military. When firing a blank there is no fresh air flowing down the barrel at all.
@@AkOperatorsUnion Correction...you did so many stamped receiver Arsenals...not milled...so technically different. I'd selfishly like to see it just to compare it to how the Vepr did.
If you like the WASR you should hop on gun broker and try to grab a norinco MAK 90 sporter model some people who know NOTHING might talk shit about them but if you bought and shot that mil speced rifle they are SO hard to beat chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels tough as nails take 20,000 rounds before they even start to blink I have honestly NEVER had one single jam or FTF even with shitty ammo but I personally will only shoot lacquered primer and neck sealed golden tiger or the same sealed lacquered wolf mil spec ammo as they are the best rounds hands down aside from extremely expensive ones I mean you will notice the difference in the gun if you shot one and the ammo too. Just had to tell you cause I love the AK47 platform my favorite been shooting it since i was 6 Bourne in 89😁
The wasr10 was one of the most tortured AK-47 that robski tested everybody wants to see the MAC90 torture test! That would be the most watch torture test ever.
I normally stop when I start to see heat mirage coming off the gas block or tube in the case of the AK. So 3-4 mags then swap guns. That's why I bring an AK and a AR.
I actually personally talked with Chase at Def arms for 45 minutes about barrels etc a few weeks back and he's confirmed that his nitride barrels that he sources are at 38,000 rounds of full auto fire and still firing just over 2.5 MOA ..some light wear on the lands and grooves but nothing massive. His exact ending words were "I used to be a chrome lined barrel guy or bust, but then I got more experience with different barrels in the real world and am no longer that guy" We talked about the prevalence of Romy and Polish Radom CL'd barrels being available and he stated that he wasn't that impressed with the new Radom barrels. Said they cut SUPER easy on his lathe and just seemed soft. He said that the new Radom barrels aren't the same as the old Circle 10 polish barrels from back in the day, and that he preferred the source he's using now for barrels and that they only cost a few bucks difference anyways. So it's not a matter of profit. It's a matter of what he feels he can trust people worry WAAAAAAAAAY too much about barrel coatings online, but real world high volume competition shooters, and manufacturers learned years ago that the differences between a good CL'd barrel and a good nitride barrel are almost nil. The idea that a non CL'd barrel will burn out in a few thousand rounds and a cl'd barrel will last 30,000 rounds is just pure internet banger at best.
@@wormraper From Definitive Arms, My DAK74 has a chrome lined barrel. My DAKM 4150 has a Nitride coated barrel. These are both from the first lots sold through Atlantic Firearms.
@@RKHarm24 yeah, the DAK74 used a bulgy CL'd barrel if I remember correctly. Wish I had grabbed one of those 74s when I could. Considering having Chase build me a 74 off of a bulgy kit when they start accepting customer builds again
Thanks Robski .... always wondered about the life span of the barrel....by the way I was wondering since you have the sbr logo on your apparel (krink) I don't know if I have ever seen you do a video or not sure if you have one 🤔🤔
I have a feeling most of the people asking that question just want bragging rights. Not too many ranges allow rapid fire and not too many people can afford to throw away that much money on ammo.
I’m thinking ab getting an AK-E when they get back in stock. Gotta use the Trump Bucks for something. Love the AR stuff I have from PSA so figure it’ll be good as long as they keep on top of the QC.
@Jim Beam I agree with everything you say. I am an AR guy myself, I don't even own 1 AK. What OP and I were saying is have 2 rifles to train with so you can alternative and let them cool down. I bring 2 ARs to the range so I can shoot fast and get it smoking hot, then it can cool while I shoot the other one👍
I just went to the range yesterday. Took all three of my AK's and rotated shooting them because of barrel's heating up. I've been doing this for years...😎
I have a few Romy Gs that my father put together years ago, they all have nice chrome lined barrels and run like champs. He built some Hungarians as well and they also spit them out like nothing 👍🏻
I have a drum and standard thirty round magazines. I am the only one gets to shoot the drum. People see it and say how fast can you empty it. No way, life is a journey not a race. Only if I had to.
A question came up while watching this that I wanted to ask you Rob : If I have a CHF chrome lined barrel (in this case a Bulgarian SLR 104-43 FR) would using the steel cleaning Rod be bad for the barrel, or is it soft enough to not worry?
That steel cleaning rod is really only useful for removing stuck cartridge cases. Go with a bore-snake and get a proper nylon clad one-piece cleaning rod you can use from the breech.
Hi Robski I’m very well aware that you are a man of considerable influence & I was wondering if you would please be able to talk to the fine people over at PSA and politely ask them if they would consider to start producing or making in the U.S. in mass a CHF Chrome Lined 4150 CMV Steel Alloy bbls with proper comb block 4 lands and grooves for maximum barrel life due to the use of standard Comb block Jacketed bullets vapourware. If you did that I’m absolutely sure that PSA would end up Converting our fine friend JIM BEAM. I guarantee that this would make him change his ways and have him finally give PSA the Acknowledgment the fine people @ PSA & PSA Itself for that matter they deserve, if you could do that I would be for ever grateful to you & I’m sure “our fine friend” would also be grateful too! Thank you very much for the upload it’s been invaluable as always Cheers 🔥😁.
You know that PSA will have Enhanced model in next month, which will have FN CHF and Chrome Lined barrel, right ? So your wish may come faster than you think...;-)
AK Operators Union, Local 47-74 Ah that is brilliant I’m so glad to hear that excellent! Anything to convert our fine friend would be a great bonus absolutely Wiked!! Thank you PSA!! Thank you Robski All you folks @ PSA & Robski kick rosey Red Butt🔥😂🤣😂😁👍✊
Another thing that will increase your barrel life is shooting copper not steel jacketed bullets. The steel will wear down your rifling faster tgan copper jacketed bullets
I don’t ever do a magazine dump. For what? That’s for suppressive fire n combat Iam not n combat I shoot mine mainly for accuracy and how far with the accuracy. I know I can drop a human size target at normal ranges.i shoot pop bottles at long distance is what I like to do.🎯 with different ammo.see what’s happening,so if shtf I know what I can do and I cannot.
Doggo thinks that stick is better than your rifle. My rule of thumb is when the mirage makes the iron sights unusable it is time to let the piece cool off.
I'm curious how the rifling will hold up on the zpap when it's done considering it doesn't have chrome lining and isn't nitrided. Hope you can bore scope it
Hey rob how do you know when the barrel is worn and also the guys in the Mid East have been fighting all their lives and the tool of choice is the AK and they’re still in the fight up to this moment in time 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@Jim Beam You seem like the type of fella to just keep on yapping away even when a horse is pissing right on your face, and you don't even know how you ended up down there. Keep guzzling, it's very liberal of ya.
@Jim Beam It is very liberal of you to keep talking out of your ass while being a drunk and at the same time feeling all superior about it. Drum up some self respect and go to a meeting, it's the place to learn how not to speak out of your ass. Hopefully there you'll learn what it means to be stuck under your own horse while getting pissed on, and at the same time yelling about your unchallenged superiority above all others. Good luck to you.
Jim Beam I understand, and agree with some of your points. But the idea that in SHTF it would last long enough for you to go through 10’s of thousands of rounds and need to change out barrels or parts is no offense, delusional at best. It makes sense to have spare parts to keep your guns running, but the likely hood of firing that many rounds and seeing that much combat is a preppers wet dream and nothing more. If SHTF happens you’d run out of food and resources before you out shot the rifles you have. If SHTF lasts longer than 3 years, you’re essentially fucked regardless. Societal collapse and disease would spread faster than anything else, and would eventually spread to your water source as well. The point im getting at is if you think a war or SHTF is coming, and that it will last long term to the point you need rifles that can sustain themselves past 10,000+ rounds you’ll be dead long before then. Lack of reinforcements, combat experience, air support, thermal seeking equipment, steady supply of food and water that can last years, etc.
Tell me, Rob, would you be interested in being assigned to 10th Mountain Division? If you were stationed at Fort Drum, you could live in Vermont. Current gun control only amounts to a ban on purchases of new rifle mags over 15 rounds. Otherwise, no other controls and we have Constitutional Carry.
10th Mountain is awesome, my good friend and awesome sniper instructor, J. Brady just retired from that place. But, you have to like winters or you will hate your life... lol
@@AkOperatorsUnion Okay, so I also have an ulterior motive. If you lived in Vermont, it would be easier to pick your brain more often on a personal basis.
@Jim Beam Wait, wait, wait. First, don't go dumping elected socialists on me. There's a ton of lefty residents, mostly in Chittenden County (some in Montpeculiar), and that's the place that dictates to the rest of the state. Which is why I'm encouraging people with morals and common sense to move here. Second, there are NO banned weapons in Vermont. Was born here and only left the state for a total of 5 years. Bad enough a RINO passed the mag ban, but rest assured there are no weapons banned other than by federal edict. And having the right kind of people move here will keep it that way, maybe even remove the few restrictions.
What about ammunition , does using the steel cased bimetal rounds affect barrel life differently than using brass cased copper jacketed lead core rounds ?
Quick Question... Have a MAK90.. Guessing my rd. Count is up around 8-10k. Think I should buy me a Spare barrel...? & could a pro swap it out without issue?? Gotta Maintain Cause I’m living in CommieChusettes. Thanks for the Tips🤘
I could, but I’m not sure if there is any interest on that subject. People usually put what works for them best...and we all have different opinions. Lol
My very first AK I ruined cause I was young and dumb and did mag dump after mag dump the barrel went to shit but it was a fun lead slinger when hanging out with friends still now I have a M70 Opap that's more time taking target shots
Sir, I have an issue. I was going to get my rifle set up for hunting season (RH10 AK). My issue is that the scope mounts that are designed for the m10 series of rifle produced by rs regulate are sold out everywhere. Will a regular scope mount from midwest work alright? I believe you had said in an earlier video that it will be a bit too high to be convenient if using a regular mount.
Jim Beam it doesn’t have to beat it. It’s an AR. Other ARs have to beat it. Jim your trolling efforts are very weird and unhealthy. People already like the AR, I really like my AR. AKs are just different and not for everyone. If you want you can just not watch these AK videos anymore. AR aren’t going anywhere, it’s okay.
Question - Would using magazines that hold the bolt open on last round, or a safety lever that allows the bolt to be held back after mag dumps help barrel life, or is the damage already done while shooting and would have no effect?
Holding bolt back after shooting helps to circulate air through the bore but if you will immiadietly close it and dump another mag, that would be just minimal brake. Not enough to make a difference. So again, it depends on user. But yes, keeping bolt open helps to cool barrel off faster.
98.3% of people who worry about this issue will never come close to burning out their barrel. One reason I laugh when people complain about NPAP's not being chrome lined..unless you're doing constant mag dumps with corrosive ammo and don't clean it, it won't matter.
I cant afford to heat up my barrel, I have a wife and 3 kids to feed.
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My daughter and I built an AMD65 kit with original barrel and it has over 15,000 rounds through her with no hiccups. She always cleaned it after shooting especially with corrosive surplus ammo. We had an IO Inc. AK that lasted just over 2,500 rounds before the barrel was dead. She replaced the barrel with a surplus one and its back up and running.
Thank you. The shout-out to Eric was a nice touch as well. Collab? Seeing you on one of Eric's 'Gun Gripes' episodes would be EPIC!
One of the appeals of chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels would be the authenticity of it. And for accuracy, just use some AKOU accurizing vodka and you're good to go.
Beautiful dog...my German is a shitshead at times...but we love him.❤️
Even Churchil said you have to keep your Germans on a short leash. Otherwise they tend to have funny ideas.
@9mm Weiner I think, after. How much millions of millions was that, remind me.
@9mm Weiner They chosen the Nazi party to be their leaders? xD
Mines is a wild man too if you let him
This makes me feel a lot better about nitrided barrels. Thanks for your review!
you should do a full ak collection vid...that be sick
Battlefield Vegas says that with their full auto AKs, the Romanian barrels in their converted WASRs have yet to burn out after literally tens of thousands of rounds. And this is a full auto range that goes through an obscene amount of full auto use, way more than a typical infantryman would, I would say. They've had trunnions crack around 80K-100K rounds, but said they've never needed to replace a barrel on one and they're still going strong.
Their accuracy standard isn't good enough for drawing any conclusions. Their standard is: "as long as round isn't keyholing silhouette target from 10-25yds, barrel is good..."
My experience is 10-30,000ish rounds depending on use but unfortunately I dont know many people who shoot enough to replace a barrel in their lifetime
@@AkOperatorsUnion Yeah, I will say that. I do wish they maybe confirm zero at like 100 yards at least. Regardless however, I'm surprised that the rifling on the barrels arent completely shot out by like 20K or 30K, which is what I hear is typically the case with ARs.
Thanks for another excellent informative and entertaining video, bought an AK Operators Union Local AK47-74 T-shirt last week to show my support! Keep the great videos coming !
I found this channel around the time I got my first Ak. This one of my favorite TH-cam channels now I enjoy every video and I'm always excited when I get a new video notification. I'm glad somebody as knowledgeable as Rob keeps making these great videos you can go anywhere and find AR15 videos but there is only one place to find this level of Ak information and entertainment
He sold me on the Palmetto State rifles 👍👍
I don’t know but I’ve got a special spot for PSA too
@@Andrew-dm8mk , I would too they seem like a pretty good company, but since I live in CA they won't play with us like a certain other "atlantic" company does.
DG unearthed lol got ya 😁👌👍
@@dgunearthed7859 move to a free state, or better yet, hang the commies and restore to freedom.
I'm still taking the chrome-lined barrels over any other any nitride, qny day
Nitride should be chosen if CL isn't possible. Both are better than none.
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Even when shooting a basic semi auto schedule with mag dumps a chrome lined barrel with last about a third longer. On an AR it's a non issue cause how issue a barrel replacement is imo. But on the AK you need a hydraulic press and other tools to get it done.
My friend has a Wasr and a Hungarian underfolder he has had since he was 14, he's now 53 years old. He has over 100,000 rounds through both and it's still accurate with the original barrels.
Yea.... thats not true....
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How are you going to prove 39 years of shooting? Google Ron from battlefield Las Vegas and read his blog on ak high shot count. He states that the ak is very popular among visters who come to his range. He stated that between 80,000 - 100,000 rounds he get a catastrophic failure in the front trunnion would crack or the barrel would get burned up and that was in a 2 and 1/2 year period shooting high volumes of rounds through it. My friend has achieved this from 39 years of shooting. I just thought I would share this with the group.
I'm not trying to promote any weapon. I understand there are idiots on the Internet that lie. I asked my buddy Paul G if he changed his barrel out cause I was under the impression that 30,000 rounds it was time to change the barrel out. I'm 40 years old and I remember my dad's buddy shooting the same rifle when I was a kid. I looked up if it was possible to shoot 100,000 rounds thinking maybe my pal exaggerated his claim but I've always known him to be a straight shooter. He let my 16 year old son shoot it at his strip pit/ private range and he was hitting a tree stump at 60 or 70 yards. I'm telling you what he told me and I believe him and again I am not trying to sell a favorite ak manufacturer. He had 3 as and sold 1 in 08 during Obama Era for $1200. He told me he didn't even pay $500 for all 3 back in 80 and 81 when his dad purchased them. I'll try to figure out how to start a youtube career so I can post some videos. I'm just a guy who likes guns and I like this channel because you all are fans of AK's as I am. I'm glad I did start paying attention to some stuff on the Internet cause I almost but a Ras47 a few years ago until I found this channel and quickly changed my mind on that pos and got a wasr. I just used that reference cause that guy has a shooting range and he rents weapons and he would definitely have several weapons on high round counts. I've had my wasr for a year and probably gave less than 2,000 through it. It's just to pricy to shoot 7.62 every weekend. I'll pick at my buddy Pauls brain tomorrow and get the skinny on it so I can give you guys more details.
It's not a story bubbaI . I asked my friend what.he changed out on his rifle and he said nothing. I'm sorry I understand you don't know him but I do and I believe him. The AK is a tuff rifle. I live in southwest Missouri and I invite Robski to come check out our weapons and to inspect our rifles. I'm not bull shitting you bubba. This guy is legit and I'd love to.show you what this rifle has been through.
I'm loving your dog in the back 😁😁😁
GSD supervising like usual.
I’d love a comparison of barrel life between using bi-metal jacketed ammo (what 99% of us shoot through an AK) versus copper jacketed ammo, especially through an authentic chrome lined AK barrel.
For the sake of the experiment, it helps that Tula makes both.
@Jim Beam yeah, I saw that. Awesome bit of science. But AKs have always used bi-metal jacketed ammo, and I wonder if 7.62x39's larger bearing surface, lower pressure, and/or lower velocity have any effect on barrel life.
One thing to note on luckygunner's test, though, is that even though bi-metal jacketed ammo definitely kills barrels faster, it was still more cost effective over time. The amount of money you save over time by practicing with Wolf or Tula ammo will pay for - and then some - the additional cost of having to replace your AR barrel early.
Thanks, Rob. As always, another good video and good info!
Great video, Rob! Your channel is a seriously great source of no BS information and we appreciate it.
I love your dog in the background! I hope to one day have a German Shepherd.
#2. thank you for the channel! Very interesting!
Mine is a Mak 90 but runs with the top dogs so far. Robski you make it look easy my friend, thanks for the vids I've learned alot from u.
Its kinda like asking "how long will my tires last?" ... depends largely on how you drive lol! .. common sense. Burnout, burnout, burnout, burnout ...
I have had good luck with American made nitrite barrels, it seems as though there is bore friction that results in greater accuracy. Only complaint about nitrite barrels is that you have to get the headspace perfect or you will have a catastrophic failure.
Look at that BD2 mitigating recoil on that 7.62 AK! They work great! Bravo Meridian Defense Corp
Worst round to use in regards to longevity of a barrel is the blank round. I have seen hundreds of burnt up barrels after 23 years in the military. When firing a blank there is no fresh air flowing down the barrel at all.
ROB, please do a 5000 round test on the Arsenal SAM7.
I’m seriously thinking about it. But we did so many arsenal rifles man... lol
@@AkOperatorsUnion Correction...you did so many stamped receiver Arsenals...not milled...so technically different.
I'd selfishly like to see it just to compare it to how the Vepr did.
Thanks for the info I've always wondered if it was unusual for an AK barrel to heat up after 3 to 4 mags
I only have one AK and it's a WASR. But it runs like a beast against 1000 dollar AK's and it suits me just fine🤣
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Luke Edwards same here
As it should. WASR is a top built rifle with the best quality parts.
@Jim Beam LWRC piston better than Di Daniel Defense
If you like the WASR you should hop on gun broker and try to grab a norinco MAK 90 sporter model some people who know NOTHING might talk shit about them but if you bought and shot that mil speced rifle they are SO hard to beat chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels tough as nails take 20,000 rounds before they even start to blink I have honestly NEVER had one single jam or FTF even with shitty ammo but I personally will only shoot lacquered primer and neck sealed golden tiger or the same sealed lacquered wolf mil spec ammo as they are the best rounds hands down aside from extremely expensive ones I mean you will notice the difference in the gun if you shot one and the ammo too. Just had to tell you cause I love the AK47 platform my favorite been shooting it since i was 6 Bourne in 89😁
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Great info keep up the good work.
great informational video rob! just took my mak90 out today and got a hot barrel for the first time. chrome lined ftw!
finally an informative video about barrel life! i wish there was an AK with easily removeable barrel, I do love my MAK90
Honestly 7.62x39 chrome lined chf barrels last a longgggggg time even in full auto. Longer than 5.56 barrels
@9mm Weiner i had no idea! this is very useful information
im learning a lot from this comment section, i like the input guys
@Jim Beam maybe one day when i dont live in the tyrannical state of massachussets, Mak90s are preban so they are okay in my convoluted state
Hell yea! early mornin upload and early as i ever been XD great shit
Thank's for the info robski
The wasr10 was one of the most tortured AK-47 that robski tested everybody wants to see the MAC90 torture test! That would be the most watch torture test ever.
Good job , robski, hoo rah
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Lot of valuable information. Thanks! Yes, the dog in the back looks like mine. Acts like her too. Probably related.
This advice applies to all firearms. Thanks for your excellent videos.
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I normally stop when I start to see heat mirage coming off the gas block or tube in the case of the AK. So 3-4 mags then swap guns. That's why I bring an AK and a AR.
If Definitive Arms is using American made Nitrided barrels on their builds, that tells me they are good to go. Thanks Rob for another great video.
I actually personally talked with Chase at Def arms for 45 minutes about barrels etc a few weeks back and he's confirmed that his nitride barrels that he sources are at 38,000 rounds of full auto fire and still firing just over 2.5 MOA ..some light wear on the lands and grooves but nothing massive. His exact ending words were "I used to be a chrome lined barrel guy or bust, but then I got more experience with different barrels in the real world and am no longer that guy" We talked about the prevalence of Romy and Polish Radom CL'd barrels being available and he stated that he wasn't that impressed with the new Radom barrels. Said they cut SUPER easy on his lathe and just seemed soft. He said that the new Radom barrels aren't the same as the old Circle 10 polish barrels from back in the day, and that he preferred the source he's using now for barrels and that they only cost a few bucks difference anyways. So it's not a matter of profit. It's a matter of what he feels he can trust
people worry WAAAAAAAAAY too much about barrel coatings online, but real world high volume competition shooters, and manufacturers learned years ago that the differences between a good CL'd barrel and a good nitride barrel are almost nil. The idea that a non CL'd barrel will burn out in a few thousand rounds and a cl'd barrel will last 30,000 rounds is just pure internet banger at best.
@@wormraper From Definitive Arms, My DAK74 has a chrome lined barrel. My DAKM 4150 has a Nitride coated barrel. These are both from the first lots sold through Atlantic Firearms.
@@RKHarm24 yeah, the DAK74 used a bulgy CL'd barrel if I remember correctly. Wish I had grabbed one of those 74s when I could. Considering having Chase build me a 74 off of a bulgy kit when they start accepting customer builds again
A chrome lined bore will outlast a nitride, chrome lining is much more durable, they wouldn't chrome artillery and large bore weapon systems.
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Will you test the sam7r?
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Common sense has become a SUPERPOWER 😉 Thanks Rob, have an awesome Sunday!
Thanks Robski .... always wondered about the life span of the barrel....by the way I was wondering since you have the sbr logo on your apparel (krink) I don't know if I have ever seen you do a video or not sure if you have one 🤔🤔
I love when guys say PSA makes crap but my GF3 Pistol in 7.62 hasn't failed me yet..
@ Dreamy Haze Well Said NOICE🔥👌.
@Jim Beam interesting
Love the GF3-AK Trying to Talk my wife in to letting me Buy one!
but being close to Christmas................. Probably not rite now..... ):
The new GF3 AKs are quality American made AKs
I just got some reman golden tiger x39 and that was loaded hot as hell to the point it was flattening primer hot stuff and I got a few cases of it
I have a feeling most of the people asking that question just want bragging rights. Not too many ranges allow rapid fire and not too many people can afford to throw away that much money on ammo.
I’m thinking ab getting an AK-E when they get back in stock. Gotta use the Trump Bucks for something. Love the AR stuff I have from PSA so figure it’ll be good as long as they keep on top of the QC.
Dude. What is your new intro music? It's PERFECT. I love it.
Bimetal vs copper jacketed ammo also a consideration
I live in the desert so I bring a couple of rifles to the range and alternate to allow them to cool, hate handling hot weapons.
549charger you are a girl
I do it to be easier on my barrels....
LOL......
5.45 will burn barrels, but with reasonable usage a 7.62 barrel will last a long time.
This dude seriously knows what he's talking about
Rob, you are a walking, talking AK public service announcement. Thanks for the effort.
Do a video on the pestilence
zastava barrels are pretty good for not being chrome lined
this is why you should never take just one ak to the range. you need to have enough rifles with you so one is always cooled
I've started doing that recently I agree
@Jim Beam hopefully you don't miss your targets as badly as the point
@Jim Beam all I shoot is ARs. That's not the point
@Jim Beam I agree with everything you say. I am an AR guy myself, I don't even own 1 AK. What OP and I were saying is have 2 rifles to train with so you can alternative and let them cool down.
I bring 2 ARs to the range so I can shoot fast and get it smoking hot, then it can cool while I shoot the other one👍
I just went to the range yesterday. Took all three of my AK's and rotated shooting them because of barrel's heating up. I've been doing this for years...😎
I have a few Romy Gs that my father put together years ago, they all have nice chrome lined barrels and run like champs. He built some Hungarians as well and they also spit them out like nothing 👍🏻
3:52 is that a stock barrel on that ak ?
chrome line barrels cold hammer forged is traditional for a reason
They last the longest
I have a drum and standard thirty round magazines. I am the only one gets to shoot the drum. People see it and say how fast can you empty it. No way, life is a journey not a race. Only if I had to.
A question came up while watching this that I wanted to ask you Rob : If I have a CHF chrome lined barrel (in this case a Bulgarian SLR 104-43 FR) would using the steel cleaning Rod be bad for the barrel, or is it soft enough to not worry?
That steel cleaning rod is really only useful for removing stuck cartridge cases. Go with a bore-snake and get a proper nylon clad one-piece cleaning rod you can use from the breech.
Are you ever going to review a draco?
Would you ever try the kns gas piston system
Good job
Hi Robski I’m very well aware that you are a man of considerable influence & I was wondering if you would please be able to talk to the fine people over at PSA and politely ask them if they would consider to start producing or making in the U.S. in mass a CHF Chrome Lined 4150 CMV Steel Alloy bbls with proper comb block 4 lands and grooves for maximum barrel life due to the use of standard Comb block Jacketed bullets vapourware. If you did that I’m absolutely sure that PSA would end up Converting our fine friend JIM BEAM. I guarantee that this would make him change his ways and have him finally give PSA the Acknowledgment the fine people @ PSA & PSA Itself for that matter they deserve, if you could do that I would be for ever grateful to you & I’m sure “our fine friend” would also be grateful too! Thank you very much for the upload it’s been invaluable as always Cheers 🔥😁.
You know that PSA will have Enhanced model in next month, which will have FN CHF and Chrome Lined barrel, right ? So your wish may come faster than you think...;-)
AK Operators Union, Local 47-74 Ah that is brilliant I’m so glad to hear that excellent! Anything to convert our fine friend would be a great bonus absolutely Wiked!! Thank you PSA!! Thank you Robski All you folks @ PSA & Robski kick rosey Red Butt🔥😂🤣😂😁👍✊
Jim fuller had 70k rounds on his 556 AK and still going. Its surprising isn't it ?
Another thing that will increase your barrel life is shooting copper not steel jacketed bullets. The steel will wear down your rifling faster tgan copper jacketed bullets
I don’t ever do a magazine dump. For what? That’s for suppressive fire n combat Iam not n combat I shoot mine mainly for accuracy and how far with the accuracy. I know I can drop a human size target at normal ranges.i shoot pop bottles at long distance is what I like to do.🎯 with different ammo.see what’s happening,so if shtf I know what I can do and I cannot.
Doggo thinks that stick is better than your rifle. My rule of thumb is when the mirage makes the iron sights unusable it is time to let the piece cool off.
Exactly. That is why you bring multiple guns to the range. One gets hot..
Go to the next gun.
That's 74 on that stock looks tight
I'm curious how the rifling will hold up on the zpap when it's done considering it doesn't have chrome lining and isn't nitrided. Hope you can bore scope it
As long as it's not run too hard and cleaned well, it should last 10 to 15k.
Good doggy in the back ground!
Hey rob how do you know when the barrel is worn and also the guys in the Mid East have been fighting all their lives and the tool of choice is the AK and they’re still in the fight up to this moment in time 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Between US nitride barrel and AR, for me it'll still be a parts kit AK with a US barrel.
@Jim Beam You seem like the type of fella to just keep on yapping away even when a horse is pissing right on your face, and you don't even know how you ended up down there.
Keep guzzling, it's very liberal of ya.
@Jim Beam It is very liberal of you to keep talking out of your ass while being a drunk and at the same time feeling all superior about it.
Drum up some self respect and go to a meeting, it's the place to learn how not to speak out of your ass.
Hopefully there you'll learn what it means to be stuck under your own horse while getting pissed on, and at the same time yelling about your unchallenged superiority above all others.
Good luck to you.
Jim Beam I understand, and agree with some of your points. But the idea that in SHTF it would last long enough for you to go through 10’s of thousands of rounds and need to change out barrels or parts is no offense, delusional at best. It makes sense to have spare parts to keep your guns running, but the likely hood of firing that many rounds and seeing that much combat is a preppers wet dream and nothing more.
If SHTF happens you’d run out of food and resources before you out shot the rifles you have. If SHTF lasts longer than 3 years, you’re essentially fucked regardless. Societal collapse and disease would spread faster than anything else, and would eventually spread to your water source as well.
The point im getting at is if you think a war or SHTF is coming, and that it will last long term to the point you need rifles that can sustain themselves past 10,000+ rounds you’ll be dead long before then.
Lack of reinforcements, combat experience, air support, thermal seeking equipment, steady supply of food and water that can last years, etc.
Tell me, Rob, would you be interested in being assigned to 10th Mountain Division? If you were stationed at Fort Drum, you could live in Vermont. Current gun control only amounts to a ban on purchases of new rifle mags over 15 rounds. Otherwise, no other controls and we have Constitutional Carry.
10th Mountain is awesome, my good friend and awesome sniper instructor, J. Brady just retired from that place. But, you have to like winters or you will hate your life... lol
@@AkOperatorsUnion So? There are no winters in Illinois? That place certainly has plenty of weapons restrictions.
@@AkOperatorsUnion Okay, so I also have an ulterior motive. If you lived in Vermont, it would be easier to pick your brain more often on a personal basis.
@Jim Beam Wait, wait, wait. First, don't go dumping elected socialists on me. There's a ton of lefty residents, mostly in Chittenden County (some in Montpeculiar), and that's the place that dictates to the rest of the state. Which is why I'm encouraging people with morals and common sense to move here. Second, there are NO banned weapons in Vermont. Was born here and only left the state for a total of 5 years. Bad enough a RINO passed the mag ban, but rest assured there are no weapons banned other than by federal edict. And having the right kind of people move here will keep it that way, maybe even remove the few restrictions.
What's living in VT like as a gun owner and as general resident?
What about ammunition , does using the steel cased bimetal rounds affect barrel life differently than using brass cased copper jacketed lead core rounds ?
Quick Question... Have a MAK90.. Guessing my rd. Count is up around 8-10k. Think I should buy me a Spare barrel...? & could a pro swap it out without issue?? Gotta Maintain Cause I’m living in CommieChusettes.
Thanks for the Tips🤘
No, i think if you are shooting it without doing mag dump after mag dump and etc, you are good to go for another 10k
AK Operators Union, Local 47-74
You Rock!! I get so Worried about my Baby sometimes...
You could always go buy a US made Chinese pattern barrel as a spare for a rainy day.
Good video my experiences if you keep it under 350 there is little derogation to the throat and rifling good info!
How about green mountain chrome lined barrels ?
Decent barrels
Can't afford to burn up a barrel just because, so I always pay attention to heat.
Who said I don’t have AR’s?
When are the Alg UL triggers coming in
Everything you said was shadowed by GSD in the background
Thanks bro
Can you do a video on the variety of stocks you're showing in this vid and which ones seem to hold up best?
I could, but I’m not sure if there is any interest on that subject. People usually put what works for them best...and we all have different opinions. Lol
When you are building an AK in UK expect the government to take it 6:23😂😂
Hey Rob I was wondering which AKM is the most durable on the market, price doesn't matter.
My very first AK I ruined cause I was young and dumb and did mag dump after mag dump the barrel went to shit but it was a fun lead slinger when hanging out with friends still now I have a M70 Opap that's more time taking target shots
Good looking DOG ! good family dog... Unleash the DOGS OF WAR ! 👍👍
Got my first ak after watching dozens of your videos. It’s a M+M m10-762
Sir, I have an issue. I was going to get my rifle set up for hunting season (RH10 AK). My issue is that the scope mounts that are designed for the m10 series of rifle produced by rs regulate are sold out everywhere. Will a regular scope mount from midwest work alright? I believe you had said in an earlier video that it will be a bit too high to be convenient if using a regular mount.
That M90NP is looking good, wish I had one!
Jim Beam an AR-15 is better in every possible way except one - it’s worse at being an AK. You can own more than one rifle. I recommend it.
Jim Beam you’re so busy trolling this channel lol. Your game is weak like an 8th grader. Give the AR arguement a rest and hit the road!
Jim Beam it doesn’t have to beat it. It’s an AR. Other ARs have to beat it. Jim your trolling efforts are very weird and unhealthy. People already like the AR, I really like my AR. AKs are just different and not for everyone. If you want you can just not watch these AK videos anymore. AR aren’t going anywhere, it’s okay.
I have an older Russian made saiga in 7.62x39. Are saying that old cyka barrel will only last 10-15 thousand rounds if i treat her right?
Question - Would using magazines that hold the bolt open on last round, or a safety lever that allows the bolt to be held back after mag dumps help barrel life, or is the damage already done while shooting and would have no effect?
Holding bolt back after shooting helps to circulate air through the bore but if you will immiadietly close it and dump another mag, that would be just minimal brake. Not enough to make a difference. So again, it depends on user. But yes, keeping bolt open helps to cool barrel off faster.
@@AkOperatorsUnion Thanks for the reply. Love your channel! :)
What's the best aks74u reproduction out there?, for some one too lazy to do the whole process to make one in piston configuration.
Talk to Chase from Definitive Arms
@@AkOperatorsUnion thank you very much
I have a rpk 😁😁
98.3% of people who worry about this issue will never come close to burning out their barrel. One reason I laugh when people complain about NPAP's not being chrome lined..unless you're doing constant mag dumps with corrosive ammo and don't clean it, it won't matter.
U must clean ur gun if u use corrosive ammo no matter what chrome or not
Pls pls test an SDS lynx !!!!
So 3 mags in a dump? What about 4-5 mags over the course of 30-45 minutes?
See new akou video, hit like. Good day!