$17,000 Talaria Sting! // Waste of Money?!
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Just was looking for upgrades for my new MX4! Perfect timing, thanks guys!
Happy to help!
I have no doubt that after replacing all these components this bike is sick. But that way it is too expensive. Talaria and Sur ron should think of having a few different configurations with higher end components, just like mountain bikes are sold. That way it would be more reasonable because you won't have to pay for all the low end parts that you won't be using.
No matter what you buy, it's human nature to want more. You'll upgrade it either way
Thank you for all the reviews you guys do! Your bike is sweet!
Thanks!!
Eventually, i will get an mx4. I did finally pull the trigger and picked up the Talaria x3. You guys reaponded to my other handle a few times FuryofD4. I did watch your vids quite a bit to learn the x3 will fit my riding needs the best as of now. I wanted a lighter slimmer bike. You guys helped me choose that one. Thanks for that! Cant wait to start dropping some upgrades in to it and really fine tune it to my style! I will also be dropping some content on the bike!
Congrats on the new bike! Have fun upgrading it!
Awesome build on the bike, great content your channel puts out very informative. Your videos have helped me decide on the direction to take my Sting R . Keep up the great videos!!
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the kind words
Great overview, thanks! I have 2 Sting R's with nearly the same specs as yours and I agree completely with your assessment. I've had full-size dirt bikes for most of my life and I much prefer the size and weight of this style e-moto. I love being in the woods riding singletrack, blasting over roots and rocks and the upgraded Sting R is perfect for me. I feel much more comfortable on these smaller bikes and I can do things I never would have tried on my larger MX bikes. I didn't know how I'd like electric vs gas but I find for my situation it's been amazing. I can go places I never would have thought and nobody complains. I rode right through the middle of a crowded park the other day and nobody gave me any flack; there is no way I could do that on a gas bike. Yes, it is an expensive hobby but you don't have to do everything at once! Start with a 16" rear wheel, bars, pegs, whatever. What you're looking at here might take you a long time to finish but I guarantee you'll enjoy every step of the process. If you do the work yourself and space it out over time it's more affordable and it's fun to feel the difference each mod makes. I'm going to sell my Beta 390 in the Spring because I hardly ride it anymore. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for doing all your detailed reviews. They have helped me a lot with my own builds. Ride on!
Well said! Most people who think it’s crazy to have a bike this expensive haven’t even ridden one.
Im 6'2" and just got the 18 and 21 wheels from milk racing and im amazed how much smoother and better the bike feels. Best upgrade yet.
Yep we agree! One of the best upgrades for taller riders!
17K, it’s a lot of money, I see these guys riding their bikes every day! It seems like money well spent! They’ve helped me spend almost that much on my SUR RON, its not hard to do if your buying the best stuff available, there’s a lot of comparisons to gas motorcycles and bigger heavier E bikes, adding 20 pounds, it’s not the same ride. you can take these smaller and lighter bikes where some wouldn’t think possible or would never try. it’s a crazy expensive hobby! Worth every penny! Great video!
Well said!!
Worth EVERY penny
Upgrading any machine is sometimes more fun than riding it currently upgrading my talaria and 300 xc not sure which I’ve spent more on
300 2t's are just so cool. LIghtweight and just so much usable power.
you guys are awsome thank you so much its nice to see the best parts coming from someone with experince
Thanks!
great video...great bike, want one, don't have the $, but you guys rock, and thank you for being so well spoken that even my kids can watch it with me and i don't have to worry about any f.bombs flying around...maybe one day when my kids be bigger i might get some in stock to have fun with them...for now i have so survive on razor mx650 with them lol...once again great vid and keep up the good work...
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lol Same Im come from MTB and shine on singel track. on a mx track Im a average Joe lol but never to Late to learn. im about to start Saveing but not sure if I want to upgrade my mx3 or Wait for the Dragon..
For your Warp9 Peg Mount: you can put a hd pe plastic plate formed with a heat gun over your whole bashguard all the way over your peg mount. I have done it and works amazing. It is cheap and ist the same material as wild water kayaks are made of 💪🚀 best regards
Good idea!
Have you seen the SXS plastic skid plate? You have to notch the back for the peg brackets still but it covers WAY more of them than your current setup.
Yes! Reed and Alex from our channel are running them right now and have been for some time, Alex is about to try out the Grit Shift heavy hitter so Ill be trying out his SXS soon and will notch it like you suggest.
17k? Lets get a price breakdown on that. Brand new Alibaba talaria is $3800 shipped. Ebmx controller is like 1k, wheels and tires probably another $650, brakes are around $200 for good stuff. That suspension is prob the most expensive at around 3k. A similar bike can be had for a staggering $9000
All your prices are low. I have a spreadsheet that comes out to just over 15k that doesn’t include taxes or shipping on anything.
Battery?
“Good” brakes are much more than $200
What about seat and all the other accessories and brakes are more than 200
Help me get the EBMX 9000 for 1k
Bro that things sick
How many miles do you see out of that 72v battery and 9k tuner with that gearing? Been wanting to do some long rides but a nervous about range
We can get easily over 30 miles riding decently hard. If you go absolutely full send on trails running big power we get about 25 but I’ve also done 35 multiple times. The big wheels and tires eat more battery for sure.
Guys please do a video on the new (eride pro ss) I've been planning on getting a talaria sting R but now that just came out. Idk
We are working on getting a review unit! Stay tuned
Looking forward to find out what this new bike being announced is!
We are too! It should be good!
A few people in the forms were saying it’s a full-size bike
The front roter is floating roter that makes a huge difference in performance, reliability, and heat.
Do u know what the converter amps is on the talaria xxx from Luna want to upgrade headlight I have some old 45w ditch light I want to run
That wattage will work just fine
You can build that bike for less than 17k lol.
Look at the jealousy in the comments 😂🤦♂️
I mean it’s at least a $1300-$15,000 bike I feel like people with no money complain.. Bikes $4500, front fork was 2800 but now $2100, controller $1150, rear shock $1100, shock, linkage and support system $200, handlebars $80 handlebar linkage system $40, rotors $115, rims and tires $1000+, headlight $40, battery $2200, decal $150, seat $130, grips 30, alloy bolts on rotors and sprocket $130, sprocket and chain $80 heavy hitter guard $250, handlebar risers 70+
@ProMountainBiker We get it, you need to watch your wallet. Not me, I just ordered everything in this build but the controller and battery which I will in the spring. I also ordered a Stark Varg and Fuell Fflo. You are in a different demographic and of course wouldn’t understand.
@@jblenh If you have money, you should be smart with it, this is a huge waste of money. You are building a bike that will never be......... anything great.
@@windowwasherfpv3485 Buy a 1 year old KTM XC-W 300 for $9000 and have a bike that is 10X better than this e-junk can ever be.
Curious is the regen wired to the brake lever? Is so is it both side or just one? Curious how that works for aftermarket brakes that don’t have brake sensors or did yours come with them?
The regen thumb throttle is what does the regen, the brakes don’t have any sensor wires or regen capabilities. But I like having the thumb brake much better than brake sensors
Is there a range compromise when running different sprockets? I guess ultimately it’s how you ride and what the terrain is like
Ya it has way more to do with how hard you ride it, If you have a really big sprocket its more efficient at slower speeds and less at high speeds as your motor has to spin a lot faster, a small sprocket has the opposite effect. Most people go with something in the middle.
How does the 72v battery and ebmx controller affect the top speed ? I haven’t seen much coverage on the talaria side of this.
I’ve gone 72mph on it so far and haven’t tried very hard to tune it to go faster.
YO sick video man!! Quick question! Is Talaria going to be making a new sting in 2024? Is it worth it to just buy the Mx4 right now?
If you can ride your bike during winter I wouldn't hesitate to just purchase now, I think a new sting if there was one wouldn't be until atleast mid year and really we have no idea.
I have a question about the rear shock triangle you mentioned. I just ordered a warp 9 linkage that is a .75 increase. Will I still need to get the mx3 triangle?
The warp 9 linkage alone with definitely help a lot, I would just put that on and try it. then if you still feel you need more you could also do the mx3 lower linkage.
Question, I can definitely see investing the money to get better performance and a better ride now but how does it hold up long term. In 3-4 years is it still going to have parts available for it and be able to compete with what’s coming out at that point in time? Or is it one of those things can stick around for awhile because their will always be improved parts that would be compatible?
Its hard to say, There are new E-bike models coming out so quickly but the original model called a Surron Light Bee has been out since 2017 and is still very relevant today so that's a good sign. This Talaria model is amazing and even after trying lots of newer models I keep going back to my modded bike!
So sweet 🔥
What made you decide to get rid of the seat riser kit?
I didn’t like how it made the bike feel when sitting down, my center of gravity was two high when cornering, I’m all for getting bigger wheels and tires and taller bars and peg dropper to achieve a similar size change and still feel good.
I think a fair comparison would be more against the Ultrabee rather than the Starkvarg which is quite different bike category.
I'm really thinking about getting one Ultrabee even though I'm currently modding my Talaria Sting.
If the only thing you're not upgrading is the frame then you may just buy a frame only (if available) ;) That's what I'm planning to do if I want to have more than one bike.
Ya frame only would be a better choice but if your not upgrading all at once you are pretty much forced to do it this way if you don't have all the money at once.
@@Talariaboys I know Lightbee frame can be purchased separately, not sure Sting frames are available yet. Yeah you need to upgrade all at once but final price will be cheaper as if you bought stock and paid for parts you would get rid of. My concern is if you want the bike registered (though modified bike are no longer legal too but in case you want to pretend it is and ride on road)
The domino throttle is bad ass just because it's suchhhhh a stiff spring. On my stock throttle I'm always worried about hitting a jump and whiskey throttling on the landing because it turns so effortlessly. I bought a domino throttle, but have to cut the current connector off and figure out which 3 out of the 6 wires to use. Now that the stock controller is gone, I might be giving it a shot sometime within the next week or so. I'm just hoping that I can't screw the controller up somehow if I get the wiring messed up. I have a very poor quality diagram so I have an idea of what will work. But im still nervous to destroy a brand new x9000
We need to try a domino!
hey i would like to know it there are any upgraded breaks that plug in to the break sencer cos i have a resisted bike and need my break lights to work thanks
Sorry we don't know of any. Thanks for watching!
love it!
Thanks!
Been thinking a lot here in Sweden what to choose as a commute that is both fun and worth its' money!
hmm.. after calling around, talking with insurance companies , checkin costs of every part this is my conclusion. Prove me wrong please!
the reasons I back off form electric engines compared to gas driven mopeds from before 2000...
* You do not get any real range, a classic moped get you 124 miles of range !
* is not as comfortable as a real old moped with leather seat
* spare parts are harder to find, while the classic spares are everywhere in any mechanic store
* the time to charge the battery when you are out n' about compared to fill up the tank of a gastank is a deal breaker, it takes you one min to fill up a gas tank
* no benefits of better parking prices or lots for going electric than a normal gas driven moped, the parking is equally expensive here in Sweden , so you are not getting the benefit of buying an "environmentally friendly" vehicle, the government could actually have supported you with a reduced cost of parking it literally everywhere in the world for choosing an electric engine, is he ll of expensive! is 11 dollars a day where I live in Stockholm...
* the insurance cost from calling around today to several companies is up to 8 times more than the insurance costs of an old gas driven 2-stroke or 4-stroke moped depending on insurance company and how old your classic moped is.
* the actual cost of buying the moped of a classic can be about 800-1800 dollars, and those can come custom made with all the luxury you want, while the xXx here in Sweden is 4130 dollars and the Sting R 2023 is 5785 dollars....
Please, put this in context: You can buy a real motorbike for that money, like go buy a Husqvarna vitpilen 701 or svartpilen 401 and their insurance is also low and down at 22-40 dollars a month..
last insurance company I talked with tonight wanted to have 180 dollars a month for the Talaria 2022!!!
whooohaaa... do not buy insurance from Varsam anymore, highest priced insurance in Sweden!!
crazy bastards, run if they call you ha ha....
You save so much more on buying an old classic veteran moped, and they can be equally fast, just of course heavier but they will also be more comfortable!
You choose, is your money....
just stating the facts after doing a lot of research and talking with people..
and now the Winter is coming here in Sweden,
- how well will an electric moped vs a classic gas driven moped run in the cold snow?!
You tell me... I want the choice to ride year around without worrying getting home in minus ten degrees and snow...
I am just stating the facts...
...I do not know if my choices are right as each person got her situation in life, I have to say I love the Talaria vibe! is unique!
but I think I save all my money and get a real motorcycle when the Spring arrives if is gonna end up on these prices when calculating all aspects of owning and riding a Talaria in comparison to the classics instead !
😂
Do you like to run hand guards? If so, any recommendations?
Reed runs the warp 9 hand guards and they work great. We don’t have any recommendations for metal ones that protect the brakes
Talaria boys, what do you think about chibattery for talarias? Are they quality batteries? I hear mix things about them and I know Surronster likes them. Are they a safe option to go with?
We honestly have been less than impressed with what we have seen/heard about them and with there customer service and our experience talking directly with them. Our Charged Cycle Works batteries have had zero issues and we can't say we've seen any other major issues like we see from Chi.
@@Talariaboys Awesome. I really appreciate the response.
I had the pleasure of riding this bike. It feels like a million bucks.
That was a fun ride Tim!
Which single-track trails do you usually ride?
We ride all over Utah but have a ton of fun on some of the north Ogden trails like Ben Lomond Peak or Skyline Trail.
The one down side moving to San Antonio is there there are absolutely not trails to ride. I have a 2022 Sur ron that I never ride so am selling it and guess I will become a road bike guy. Not much choice here. The majority of property in Texas is private. Really sucks.
I cant wait for my 18/21s to show up. Got some milk racing. It might take another month or so lol
Nice!
does the warp 9 triangle for the surron fit the mx4
No
You should put an upgraded controller on the talaria xxx
We should!
I want to see a head to head comparison between your modded bike and a bone stock Stark Varg.
Stark would whoop our butts. That thing has 60-80hp and the most our modded bikes have currently is 33. But we love the small size of our bikes and don't even want any more power haha!
Not a bad budget build.
Haha yep
You didn't add the headlight to your list
That was on purpose, it’s a generic 5 inch pod light and you can try your luck with whatever seller you want. It was a process to get.
Are you going to get the dragon
Yes but its not coming for a long time! Well into 2024
Please, still waiting for 19"/16" wheel review....Reed needs to get busy!
Coming soon we are filming it tomorrow so watch in the next couple weeks
17k and it would look way better in solid black. Looks like my 10 year old nephews bike with those decals😂
Sounds like your nephew has good taste 😏
@@Talariaboys 💯🤙🏻 real talk, nice bike bro.
Assume ❤
You also can't ride a stark varg on regular trails without someone calling the cops right away
Exactly!
Dude, nobody's buying that thing for 17 large! Come on man?!
Not trying to sell it. It’s obviously not for you lol
Ha ha! I hear ya. I'm really curious what the Dragon is going to sell for... any thought?
We are curious too, I think anything under 7500 will be a deal!
I can only hope!
You should have just bought a Surron Ultra bee, only 20 lbs heavier, same K/W, and only $6500. You wasted all that extra money just because your name has Talaria in it. Crazy
You obviously haven’t road a talaira yet that extra 20 pounds but smaller and you can spend the same amount on a surron ultra
20 lbs is not much really... its $17,000 dollars you are crazy also.@@windowwasherfpv3485
He could have pimped out some poor kid's talaria or something, like Surronster just did. 17k........@@windowwasherfpv3485
@@windowwasherfpv3485 The problem is the Talaria will never be a UltraBee, because Talaria made from bicycle parts. Ultra Bee made from real dirtbike parts. So you cant compare them. I have Talaria but i spent the half money of the price of my bike to modifications, and now i looking for the power upgrades. But i must spend another 5k to buy the battery and controller. After that i will be hit the 12k cost and maybe i can ride my Talaria like the same how stock Ultra came out from the box. So not worth to tune a Talaria like this. I bought mine in 2022 but i see 4-5 months ago Ultra is here and maybe Talaria release soon the competitor of Ultra, called Talaria Dragon. So now i wait what will be the competitor's product and price, insted of throwing money out of the window....
Thanks for watching but again you don’t get the point, my bike can run 20kw even with the stock motor, ultrabee is 12.5. In stock form it’s a decent bike but no where near as capable or fun as this build. My bike feels so much faster it’s not even funny. 20lbs is a big difference and my bike is fully upgraded so can’t really get any heavier. You can very quickly add upgraded wheels, tires, battery and stuff to an ultra and then it’s 40lbs heavier. It’s a different kind of bike, I’ve ridden on a lot and it’s not what we want for the kind of riding we do. Also we are absolutely not stuck only buying Talarias lol we have more bikes on the way that are direct competitors to Talaria.
You should have just bought a varg. That's a real dirt bike.
Did you watch the video?
😂😂😂
You got ripped off paying 17k in upgrades for that bike.
Lol
Have you guys tried to the Hope Tech 4 V4 brakes? I mean the TRP brakes are okay but their adjustment is pretty limited especially when it comes to lever throw. You are also talking about mineral based fluid compared to DOT 5.1. Also the Hope brakes can run thicker rotors. It just seems everyone says the go to is the TRPs but they honestly feel pretty lacking compared to the hype.
No we haven’t tried hope breaks yet but we would like too. We tell people to get the TRPs because they are the best that we have tried. Hopefully we can try hope brakes in the future.
We are excited that warp 9 is coming out with brakes soon!
@@Talariaboys That is what I heard the rumor is... Warp 9 releasing a Emoto specific brake. I will let you guys know how the Hopes work as I just installed a set with their 3.2mm vented rotors. I just wish TRP brakes had pad contact adjustment
God damn bud, you must have a spare aftermarket controller and there somewhere. Want to send them my broke ass way for subscribing lol?
Thanks for watching! To spend this much I had to sell all my stock parts!
HOLY SH*T DUDE, YOU COULD BUY ALMOST 3 BRAND NEW SUZUKI DR400'S SOMEBODY HAS LOST THERE MIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
want a light e bike? buy a 300 lb + turd.
Definitely don’t want one of those for what I ride
You obviously have way too much money at your fingertips.
Just wait till you see our next bike build
Such a huge waste of money!
It’s pretty cool tho..
@@Talariaboys Yeah, anything on 2 wheels is cool!
Link to the kickstand? @talariaboys
17k lmao, get an Aprilia at that point.
so dumb
I would love to see that on a Mountain single-track!