I remember this car - it's the car Holden said they would build the required number for homologation in series production racing, so they were allowed to race it in the Bathurst 12-hour - and then they didn't build it, but were allowed to keep racing it anyway.
Bangelibangladesh the version of the Commodore that is the Chevrolet SS is the Holden VF Commodore SSV the HSV W427 was based on the VE Commodore which came to America as the Pontiac G8.
Thanks for taking the time to "elaborate" to our friend below. Having many miss spent youth hours with cast iron Gen1 Small Block Chevrolets and having a passing interest in the 396, 427, 545 and 510 CID iron V8's it was plaesing to see an animated discussion. The Gen III and IV engines are a different critter. The LS7 from GM Performance with its titanium valves and conrods does have many differing applications. It is available as a "crate engine" so can be purchased for aircraft or boats.
It is my understanding that the 427's in the W427 were first intended to go in to the holden monaro as holden had already started taking orders for them. Something happened and they ended up putting the 5.7(L)'s in the monaro's and then came the birth of the current W427 which were all sold before they were even made. These cars were never ment to be a full production car, they were limited edition from the start.
Up to 1999, we did design and build our own. The 5.7 litre version of the Holden V8 made the same power, and more torque than the GM LS1 engine that replaced it in the VT Commodore. The Holden engine didn't rattle and burn oil like the LS1 engine did. The only thing better about the LS1 engine is that it was cheaper to build.
why the hell does australia get more nice sedans than we do here in america, i mean not only sedans but damn look at it, its nice so is the maloo hsv and gts. come on gm if you make nice cars like that here i bet you will sell more
bergerk20 in Australia they don't call it the Maloo. They call it the UTE, which I don't know what it stands for but all I knows it's what the Aussies call a 2 door pickup with 500+ horsepower (am I right?) with FR. sounds like the only sporty pickup truck, but is not. And if Aussies can create a powerful truck, I'm sure Americans would love it
The LS1 engines that GM sent to Australia definitely did rattle and burn oil, almost to a point where Holden was going to do a recall on the SS Commodores to fix the problem. Instead, they were repaired on a case-by-case basis when the customer complained about it. The rattle was caused by excessive clearance in the piston skirts, a feature engineered by GM to improve fuel economy. Not sure what caused the oil consumption or how it was fixed.
I never knew Holden's test track was in Vic. A while ago, I found a strange place about 20 mins drive from Tooradin - I always wondered what it was. After watching this, I just found out.
I would totally import this car to the U.S. ....if it wasn't so much money :(. I just love the overall design of the car, that red leather interior looks stunning,and last but not least the sound of the 7.0 L is the most amazing thing I've heard :)
The LS7 in the Z06 Corvette makes 375 kW and 640 Nm, exactly the same as the engine in the W427. The W427 is a 2008 model. Even the current model (2012) Corvette still has 375 kW/640 Nm.
Senior Lopez that thing will not only kill that years stand, this year 2020 model year gt350 R and Gt500 and c8 Corvette would get it but in 2010 it would take on many of the best
@@unkeldolan4550 so its owned by GM and? Does that mean saab and vauxhall are american. The only thing american about it is the engine doesn't matter what u say it will always be Australian🤷♂️
agree holden fan through and through. we even had a black w427 and black 2004 GTS for our wedding cars. But the f6 is fucken brilliant. and I would happily own one.
Prior to 1999, Holden used their own V8 engines. They were designed and manufactured in Australia. The 5.7 litre version of the Holden V8 produced the same power, and more torque than the GM LS1 engine that replaced it in the 2000 VT models. Also, the Holden engine didn't rattle and use oil like the LS engine did. The only reason Holden stopped making their own V8s was because it was no longer cost effective.
I've had a few of my cars over the 200 kph mark. My VP S V6 speedo read 200, although it was probably more like 190. My VS S V6 ute (mildly worked), I'd had that hit the limiter at 220. Didn't bounce though, hit it, fell back & then 4 or 5 seconds later I hit it again. My HSV VS Club Sport I'd had at 240. But my current car (2011 Series 2 VE SS Ute), I've had at 247 kph, with enough legs left in 6th to crack at least 275 (final drive & limiter depending).
A few points that you may be ignorant to: Holden's six cylinder engines are also Australian made. Holden still make V8 Commodores. Ford have not built a V8 Falcon since June 2010. The V8 Coyote engine used by FPV is also American made. Holden designed and manufactured their own V8 engines from 1970 to 1999. Ford Australia have only ever made copies of American V8 Ford engines.
ls7 427 7.0 was originally designed for the 2006 chevy corvette zo6 .when gm came out they announced the ls1 engine as the new chevy small block back in 1996 for the 1997 chevy corvette The LS was the third generation motor in Chevy's small block engine series .the ls lsx and the lt1 engine are based on the chevy small block engine . but dont get me wrong i owned a 2009 pontiac g8 gt with a zeta australian body platform with american chevy small block engine, I love GM cars but fact are fact
No one put an LS7 engine in a Pontiac G8 "years" before Holden did. The Pontiac G8 was only released 4 months before the W427. The VE Commodore was released 2 years before the G8. Some Australian may have put an LS7 in a Commodore years before Holden did, but no American put one in a G8 that early.
the f6 may be quick as you halve stated numerous times but i will stress this fact again the f6 typhoon is turbocharged where as the GTS is stock (to add all hsv are) if you were to remove the turbo from an f6 or add a turbo to a gts then your f6 is going to struggle. and what technology do you mean? engine tech? interior?
thats so cool that the ve commodore can drive itself without holding on to the wheel you can eat a snack while taking your hands off even taking your jumper off too
Cheers to you , mate. I felt like a bit of a bell-end going off at the kid like that. Even though they usually don't , his particular comment got under my skin. I guess that's what he was trying to do anyway and he succeeded. 82nd Airborne eh? Now that kinda thing takes guts. Not sure if you could get me to jump out of a perfectly good air plane like that lol. I stuck to driving my LAV around and feeling nice and cosy. Lots of respect , have a good one.
It's funny how some people think kilowatts are the only things that matter!!!! There's a lot more to a car than simply it's speed! Anyone can put a massive v8 into a car and give it a big boost of power, but it's the cars that come with efficiency and technology that not only boosts power but also has technology behind it that makes it use less fuel for more power and fun! When it comes to this issue, even as a ford fan myself, I must say neither Holden nor ford have a good power to fuel ratio!
The Holden 3.6L V6 is not based on the Buick 3.8L V6. They are completely different engines. Holden 3.6L (HFV6): All-alloy, Overhead cam, 4 valves per cylinder, 60 degree bank angle, Bore x stroke = 94.0mm x 85.6mm, Bore centre spacing = 103 mm, Firing order = 123456. Buick V6: All-cast iron, Pushrod, 2 valves per cylinder, 90 degree bank angle, Bore x stroke = 96.52mm x 86.36mm, Bore centre spacing = 107.7 mm, Firing order = 165432.
what i said was either take the turbo off of the f6 so niether have a turbo or put a turbo on the gts so they both have a turbo. the hsv motors are based on the corvette and camaro motors, the ls7 6.2 litre.
@yomumma92 Was probably the test car and i'd say that it had been belted along all of those roads before. He was at the holden proving ground in a holden, im fairly certain they would have given him the do's and don'ts before handing him the keys.
GM still own Daewoo, but it is no longer via Holden. At some time near the end of 2008, there was a very low-key handover of Daewoo shares directly to GM Detroit. GM and Holden still do not openly publicise the finer details of the transaction.
The car he drove was a test mule, hence the reason it took so long to get to 250 kays. The actual production car itself would easily crack 300, but is limited to either 255 or 275 Kay's. Can't remember which one. I thought for the price tag it could've been more powerful & faster & the trim finish more subdued, but classy. Red leather would grow old quick.
true a dyno tune will give you around 50kw of extra power. but it depends on the vehicle in question. my mates brothers vy senator went from 295kw to about 310-315 with the cam and cold air induction and minor tuning. not every vehicle is going to be the same. if he gave the senator a dyno tune he would probably have about 325kw ehich would be the same as the gts
"245" *antenna rattles on the back* "Thats not a good design!" Steve.... whats not good about it? who the flip is ever going to do 245 on public roads in Australia? smart one...
Negative. The LS7 engines are manufactured by GM Powertrain Performance Build Center in Wixom Michigan to power global GM cars, including the HSV W427 and the Z06 Corvette. They are not exclusively used in the Corvette, so they cannot be called a "Corvette engine".
I deffinitely wouldnt consider it one of the best handling cars in the world. Drive an E46 M3 or event just an E46 M Tech Coupe, they'll both outhandle ANY current mass produced HSV including the W427. The HSV/Holdens have come a long, long way but they have nothing on the european/japanese sports cars
Wow, That's crazy. Thanks for that insight. And just so you are aware I don't dislike you. I only mest with you because you were coming across as ignorant. I was only wanting you to be aware of Ford, all its amazing performance history, the Mustang and all It's variances. As well, if you remember I even complimented your country. I see your country to be similar as here in the STATES. Nice to have a mature conversion with someone who has the same passion for performance cars as I.
NEW GEN F2 has that much power now & the GTS still has 430KW so the GENF GTS series 1 was the Fastest Production CAR in Australia, not the W427, which in reality they should have done the super charger trick on the W427, even better the HRT 427 2 door Manaro & then supercharge that & ALL wheel drive system like The VY cross X8 had, but strengthened as well, so every little bit of the running gear was made for the race track, but allowed to be a road registed car, going by the Standards of Australian Production & government LAWS, then we would have a real super car. cheers :). :)
You can buy a 2006-2008 corvette Z06 with this engine in the USA for around 45 grand with under 40 thousand kilometers on it. You aussies get the short end of the stick on GM performance. If the roads in Canada wern't SHIT i'd import one. Heads, cam, intake and exhaust and these things make close to 700hp.
My first car, a 1963 EJ Holden could do 200 km/h if I found a long enough stretch of straight road. My brother's 1968 HK Kingswood would do it easily. They were both only 6 cylinder cars. You could do that back then without the risk of getting locked in gaol.
250km/h....must be a geek of a driver
I remember this car - it's the car Holden said they would build the required number for homologation in series production racing, so they were allowed to race it in the Bathurst 12-hour - and then they didn't build it, but were allowed to keep racing it anyway.
7L V8, low reving and lot of torque - The best a muscle can get.
you are so lucky in Australia to have such bad ass cars
Was only made for ADM market . Other hsv uk ' New Zealand
Oh okay
Jamie Little ever seen the V10 excursion mate.?
Yeah but they don’t get hellcats or track hawks lol
@@PookieLoc We get trackhawks mate
Sounds better than an AMG 6.3 when heard in person, & that's one fine sounding engine.
I wish this was sold in America as a Chevrolet sedan I mean Forza Motorsport 3 & 4 is what got me to like this rare Aussie beauty.
If they sold this car I America they should keep it A Holden badge
not a shit box Chevy badge
W?9
It is sold in America as a Chevy sedan.
Bangelibangladesh the version of the Commodore that is the Chevrolet SS is the Holden VF Commodore SSV the HSV W427 was based on the VE Commodore which came to America as the Pontiac G8.
Thanks for taking the time to "elaborate" to our friend below. Having many miss spent youth hours with cast iron Gen1 Small Block Chevrolets and having a passing interest in the 396, 427, 545 and 510 CID iron V8's it was plaesing to see an animated discussion. The Gen III and IV engines are a different critter. The LS7 from GM Performance with its titanium valves and conrods does have many differing applications. It is available as a "crate engine" so can be purchased for aircraft or boats.
My #1 car... well except the interior... but other then that, it's AMAZINGGG
It is my understanding that the 427's in the W427 were first intended to go in to the holden monaro as holden had already started taking orders for them. Something happened and they ended up putting the 5.7(L)'s in the monaro's and then came the birth of the current W427 which were all sold before they were even made. These cars were never ment to be a full production car, they were limited edition from the start.
Up to 1999, we did design and build our own. The 5.7 litre version of the Holden V8 made the same power, and more torque than the GM LS1 engine that replaced it in the VT Commodore. The Holden engine didn't rattle and burn oil like the LS1 engine did. The only thing better about the LS1 engine is that it was cheaper to build.
why the hell does australia get more nice sedans than we do here in america, i mean not only sedans but damn look at it, its nice so is the maloo hsv and gts. come on gm if you make nice cars like that here i bet you will sell more
bergerk20 in Australia they don't call it the Maloo. They call it the UTE, which I don't know what it stands for but all I knows it's what the Aussies call a 2 door pickup with 500+ horsepower (am I right?) with FR. sounds like the only sporty pickup truck, but is not. And if Aussies can create a powerful truck, I'm sure Americans would love it
Ute stands for Utility Vehicle
Not TooShabby nope. A ute is a pickup in Australia.
Pingu Jeffery A utility vehicle is a pick up truck
Not TooShabby oh. Me "why do I not know this?"
Holden's ruuuuule! Like, obviously apart from super cars that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, these cars are the best on the road.
The LS1 engines that GM sent to Australia definitely did rattle and burn oil, almost to a point where Holden was going to do a recall on the SS Commodores to fix the problem.
Instead, they were repaired on a case-by-case basis when the customer complained about it. The rattle was caused by excessive clearance in the piston skirts, a feature engineered by GM to improve fuel economy. Not sure what caused the oil consumption or how it was fixed.
I never knew Holden's test track was in Vic. A while ago, I found a strange place about 20 mins drive from Tooradin - I always wondered what it was. After watching this, I just found out.
An LSA/Eaton supercharger system to this 7.0ltr would be interesting
@MrFalconfly the GTO is a commodore, its built in australia by holden then when its shiped to the US it gets the pontiac GM engine trans and gear box
I would totally import this car to the U.S. ....if it wasn't so much money :(. I just love the overall design of the car, that red leather interior looks stunning,and last but not least the sound of the 7.0 L is the most amazing thing I've heard :)
That background music was driving me nuts!!!
The LS7 in the Z06 Corvette makes 375 kW and 640 Nm, exactly the same as the engine in the W427.
The W427 is a 2008 model. Even the current model (2012) Corvette still has 375 kW/640 Nm.
This HSV would outrun a gt500 stang on a straight and around a corner! Well done HSV
+Senior Lopez LOL DREAM ON
HSV = General Motors = still American. Looks like America wins again.
Leaf sprung mustang... pos
Senior Lopez that thing will not only kill that years stand, this year 2020 model year gt350 R and Gt500 and c8 Corvette would get it but in 2010 it would take on many of the best
@@unkeldolan4550 so its owned by GM and? Does that mean saab and vauxhall are american. The only thing american about it is the engine doesn't matter what u say it will always be Australian🤷♂️
thanks w427 for relunching the gts-r
@boostedsoarer The VE is one of the best handling cars in the world, because of its near 50:50 weight distribution
@Ridgesssss The W427 is a Walkinshaw, hence it being called W427
Wth is a kilowatt and how do i get that into the flux capacitor?
Joe Smith Kilowatt is the unit of measurement for electricity in the metric system
agree holden fan through and through. we even had a black w427 and black 2004 GTS for our wedding cars. But the f6 is fucken brilliant. and I would happily own one.
Have you tried putting a colder thermostat in?
will this be coming to the uk under the vauxhall badge? or will it not coming to the uk atall
"holy cow it was the antenna on the back it scared the crap out of me, that's not a good design" hahahahahaha lolz
Prior to 1999, Holden used their own V8 engines. They were designed and manufactured in Australia. The 5.7 litre version of the Holden V8 produced the same power, and more torque than the GM LS1 engine that replaced it in the 2000 VT models. Also, the Holden engine didn't rattle and use oil like the LS engine did. The only reason Holden stopped making their own V8s was because it was no longer cost effective.
I've had a few of my cars over the 200 kph mark. My VP S V6 speedo read 200, although it was probably more like 190. My VS S V6 ute (mildly worked), I'd had that hit the limiter at 220. Didn't bounce though, hit it, fell back & then 4 or 5 seconds later I hit it again.
My HSV VS Club Sport I'd had at 240. But my current car (2011 Series 2 VE SS Ute), I've had at 247 kph, with enough legs left in 6th to crack at least 275 (final drive & limiter depending).
im sorry, im live in the us and i dont understand these units of measurement hes using. kilowats are speed, or is it horsepower?
beautiful
A few points that you may be ignorant to:
Holden's six cylinder engines are also Australian made.
Holden still make V8 Commodores. Ford have not built a V8 Falcon since June 2010.
The V8 Coyote engine used by FPV is also American made.
Holden designed and manufactured their own V8 engines from 1970 to 1999. Ford Australia have only ever made copies of American V8 Ford engines.
Isnt the supercharged walkinshaw faster?
Thanks. It was a rhetorical question. I already knew the answer.
@EndofDays213
Got that back to front.
The GTO was based on the Commodore.
ls7 427 7.0 was originally designed for the 2006 chevy corvette zo6 .when gm came out they announced the ls1 engine as the new chevy small block back in 1996 for the 1997 chevy corvette The LS was the third generation motor in Chevy's small block engine series .the ls lsx and the lt1 engine are based on the chevy small block engine . but dont get me wrong i owned a 2009 pontiac g8 gt with a zeta australian body platform with american chevy small block engine, I love GM cars but fact are fact
Yes, I know.
But the W427 is only one model in the HSV range. All of the others have used LS1, LS2 and LS3 engines, and they are made in Canada.
This is one of the few HSV's i wish had reached the North American market
No one put an LS7 engine in a Pontiac G8 "years" before Holden did. The Pontiac G8 was only released 4 months before the W427.
The VE Commodore was released 2 years before the G8. Some Australian may have put an LS7 in a Commodore years before Holden did, but no American put one in a G8 that early.
@ItsNoiaTime Chevrolet Caprice SS???
61kw per litre. It's in need of some lower compression and some forced induction.
how much hp is 375 kilowatts?
the f6 may be quick as you halve stated numerous times but i will stress this fact again the f6 typhoon is turbocharged where as the GTS is stock (to add all hsv are) if you were to remove the turbo from an f6 or add a turbo to a gts then your f6 is going to struggle. and what technology do you mean? engine tech? interior?
Interesting car!
Ah if only Pontiac still were in business and made the G8 these are hard to find in America. Guess I will have to buy the Commodore =D
Why is it limited to only 250 km/h (155mph) when even the FK8 Civic Type R will go faster than that?
thats so cool that the ve commodore can drive itself without holding on to the wheel you can eat a snack while taking your hands off even taking your jumper off too
@HONORGUARD308 actualy the gto is the holden monaro, the commodore is 4 door and is the G8 in the US
@nfsm654 you included?
Does the R35GTR have a 7 litre engine?
Yep
Roll on the next gen HSV super saloons !!!!!
Cheers to you , mate. I felt like a bit of a bell-end going off at the kid like that. Even though they usually don't , his particular comment got under my skin. I guess that's what he was trying to do anyway and he succeeded.
82nd Airborne eh? Now that kinda thing takes guts. Not sure if you could get me to jump out of a perfectly good air plane like that lol. I stuck to driving my LAV around and feeling nice and cosy.
Lots of respect , have a good one.
Why couldn't they put the antenna in the front glass like my 06 GTO? So it wouldn't rattle at high speeds like the HVS W427 shown.
Is this the walkinshaw?
My mistake, w427 doesn't use forced induction, the C63 produces marginally more kW/litre. 54.2 vs. 53.5.
good looking car
i gotta be honest, you Aussies get alot of straight bad ass cars, I'm a GM guy but I have to say some of the Fords you guys got are fucking awesome.
@ravinz86 pretty sure that was released after the W427
Kilowatts is a unit of power. 375 kw equals 503 hp.
The perfect vehicle
A 1.5L 300Kw 4cyl Seadoo Rotax engine, A 2.0L 550Kw Mazda 3xRotor engine, A 600Kw 2.6L 6cly RB26DETT Nissan engine, A 375Kw 3.6L 6cyl Porsche 911 engine... etc.
true but what i meant was that a lot can be done to it unlike some of these higher performance vehicles.
reminds me of the GTO
i meant that towards MrTyrrell btw if you were wondering.
Hopefully this car is what we get next year here in the USA as the Chevy SS performance
It's funny how some people think kilowatts are the only things that matter!!!! There's a lot more to a car than simply it's speed! Anyone can put a massive v8 into a car and give it a big boost of power, but it's the cars that come with efficiency and technology that not only boosts power but also has technology behind it that makes it use less fuel for more power and fun! When it comes to this issue, even as a ford fan myself, I must say neither Holden nor ford have a good power to fuel ratio!
The Holden 3.6L V6 is not based on the Buick 3.8L V6. They are completely different engines.
Holden 3.6L (HFV6): All-alloy, Overhead cam, 4 valves per cylinder, 60 degree bank angle, Bore x stroke = 94.0mm x 85.6mm, Bore centre spacing = 103 mm, Firing order = 123456.
Buick V6: All-cast iron, Pushrod, 2 valves per cylinder, 90 degree bank angle, Bore x stroke = 96.52mm x 86.36mm, Bore centre spacing = 107.7 mm, Firing order = 165432.
what i said was either take the turbo off of the f6 so niether have a turbo or put a turbo on the gts so they both have a turbo. the hsv motors are based on the corvette and camaro motors, the ls7 6.2 litre.
@yomumma92 Was probably the test car and i'd say that it had been belted along all of those roads before. He was at the holden proving ground in a holden, im fairly certain they would have given him the do's and don'ts before handing him the keys.
6:26 when your caster looks like that you know you have a fast car
GM still own Daewoo, but it is no longer via Holden. At some time near the end of 2008, there was a very low-key handover of Daewoo shares directly to GM Detroit. GM and Holden still do not openly publicise the finer details of the transaction.
@Ridgesssss the 427 is a Walkinshaw mate hence the W in front of 427 unless you're talking about racing it against the VL Walkinshaw or something
Im a holden man and i agree... If you doubt the F6 try take one... They are mighty fucking quick.
7.0L V8, 375KW and he still needs water to get the wheels to spin?
@hellenic300
It's still a commodore. Just a very fast one. Like an m3 is still a 3 series BMW.
We used to own build 111 and she was a fucken monster
The boys should put the 427 up against the walkinshaw
less than 20 seconds before they added water he was spinning the tyres on dry ground?
The car he drove was a test mule, hence the reason it took so long to get to 250 kays. The actual production car itself would easily crack 300, but is limited to either 255 or 275 Kay's. Can't remember which one.
I thought for the price tag it could've been more powerful & faster & the trim finish more subdued, but classy. Red leather would grow old quick.
true a dyno tune will give you around 50kw of extra power. but it depends on the vehicle in question. my mates brothers vy senator went from 295kw to about 310-315 with the cam and cold air induction and minor tuning. not every vehicle is going to be the same. if he gave the senator a dyno tune he would probably have about 325kw ehich would be the same as the gts
I thought it said no cameras allowed .. How did the camera man get in??
What country is "Austrilaia"?
Although, what may be a better question is: Where did you go to school?
"245" *antenna rattles on the back* "Thats not a good design!"
Steve.... whats not good about it? who the flip is ever going to do 245 on public roads in Australia? smart one...
@MrFalconfly indeed.
have a nice day
The Holden and Pontiac GTO are basically the same car except the GTO has a 6.0 @ 400hp and alot cheaper
Ah, very refreshing to find someone who hasn't been brainwashed by the popular media,
lol, what was the point of heating up the tyres if you were gonna cool them back down with water =
Negative. The LS7 engines are manufactured by GM Powertrain Performance Build Center in Wixom Michigan to power global GM cars, including the HSV W427 and the Z06 Corvette. They are not exclusively used in the Corvette, so they cannot be called a "Corvette engine".
Most of the LS engines are manufactured in Canada, not the USA.
Top Gear UK are obsessed talking about their cars too.
I deffinitely wouldnt consider it one of the best handling cars in the world. Drive an E46 M3 or event just an E46 M Tech Coupe, they'll both outhandle ANY current mass produced HSV including the W427.
The HSV/Holdens have come a long, long way but they have nothing on the european/japanese sports cars
Wow, That's crazy. Thanks for that insight. And just so you are aware I don't dislike you. I only mest with you because you were coming across as ignorant. I was only wanting you to be aware of Ford, all its amazing performance history, the Mustang and all It's variances. As well, if you remember I even complimented your country. I see your country to be similar as here in the STATES. Nice to have a mature conversion with someone who has the same passion for performance cars as I.
the new lamboghini aventador has trouble getting to 200 kms this cars amazing
NEW GEN F2 has that much power now & the GTS still has 430KW so the GENF GTS series 1 was the Fastest Production CAR in Australia, not the W427, which in reality they should have done the super charger trick on the W427, even better the HRT 427 2 door Manaro & then supercharge that & ALL wheel drive system like The VY cross X8 had, but strengthened as well, so every little bit of the running gear was made for the race track, but allowed to be a road registed car, going by the Standards of Australian Production & government LAWS, then we would have a real super car. cheers :). :)
yes
fastest car from who? definitely not the fastest car out at the time.
Bran Don I agree, bu i am talking about price V's car production & power as well ?
7071t6
emails with business are pisspoor
7071t6
telephones are much better then freaky ugly emails
You can buy a 2006-2008 corvette Z06 with this engine in the USA for around 45 grand with under 40 thousand kilometers on it. You aussies get the short end of the stick on GM performance. If the roads in Canada wern't SHIT i'd import one. Heads, cam, intake and exhaust and these things make close to 700hp.
Holden is a subsidiary of General Motors, so to say GM is copying Holden is ignorant, as GM is the parent company.
aha GMC if not GM own holden since 1950 so theres no copying
My first car, a 1963 EJ Holden could do 200 km/h if I found a long enough stretch of straight road. My brother's 1968 HK Kingswood would do it easily. They were both only 6 cylinder cars.
You could do that back then without the risk of getting locked in gaol.
My point (which you managd to miss completely ) was about capacity.
Lets see how your drive...