Pokemon Origins debunks every comment saying "Red is us as the player, so he can't talk" Also in Pokemon generations the other trainers are shown to be much more friendly even without dialogue. Gold smiles at the success of the Lake of Rage Mission.
Pokemon origins is different from the games yes it is following reds story but that is a different red since it is not following the game red the generations red is the player red
actually this theories has so many holes to debunked but i too lazy to write about it because there gonna be a lot of sentence and word and i sure some of viewer is lazy to click readmore button because of it.
suck bleach huh i thought i the only one think that this theory full of holes but who i am kidding of course it is. some of theory full of hole and some of it full of missunderstanding or error that why it call theory there no guarantee that 100% true. but you can enlighten us with your debunk comment i sure some of us appreciate your hardwork for debunked this theory for us.(if your not too lazy to writed that is)
Jachariah as a point of Red being a good character, this is also believed to the breaking point. The video does make a realistic point on why Blue decided not to help.
No hate. Blue does care. He's just scared to face team rocket and like a normal person you let the athorities hadle it. I mean in real life (Wich the video is more likely a realistic point of view) you can't just charge into evil organizations. It might cause a ruckus. Just my opinion though.
Super Derrick 1992 lol ikr the guy in this video acts like competitive battling doesn’t exist and he acts like it’s never been apart of reds nature the dumbass 😂
Tea tbh competitive battler pokemon fans lowkey annoy me because they all use the same pokemon and don’t know how to actually enjoy the games it’s kinda sad.
You would probably change your mind when you see the cut lines. They likely weren't added because they made you hate him WAY too much. Just imagine you slog through the E4 and finally beat the final boss, only to lose to him and have to hear him monologue about how great he is, followed with a "Nice try, loser! Hahaha!" Not adding those lines certainly changed his character, but I would imagine that Red had gone through a similar transformation, only less verbose.
collin boyer Giovanni being a bad guy is subjective, I think we are influenced by a sense of morality fed to us by one point of view with not enough information. The Manga really shows Giovanni off as a wise and powerful leader with an open mind and solid ideals
right but what I was saying was that Giovanni and red are on opposite sides while Blue is Oak's grandson. I'm just saying it might be a little different
so if oak has a higher tolerance, and Giovanni himself being more arrogant, wouldn't that mean that someone would have to be more arrogant for oak to point it out than Giovanni? Calling someone else arrogant is part of who you are if you are arrogant.
Have you even noticed that generations is literally based in the games and so the person you play as would be silent like red, gold, etc. Also we don’t really see his mouth in shot so you can’t say he’s not smiling but you can’t say the opposite. As the player in this situation the only thing that player would want to do IS win. The anime version of red that you showed is just that. A version of red.
Verlisify no you kind of are. But it’s your own interpretation. We all have different interpretations, yours isn’t always right you know. Give room for others to have a civil conversation.
I know broski, that's true! Personally i like the mangas interpertation of Red goin to mount silver to heal his hands more then the origin explanation. But that is just oppionins. You say potatoe, I say tomatoe
Nebula Dog the Manga definitely kills the anime and games combined in storytelling and captivation I've read pokemon special atleast a dozen times, I have to go back through everytime new gens are translated
Good and evil aren't split into two clear separate sides. Red's actions depict him as a usual trainer, having their Pokemon get hurt in a battle is nothing new. His anger on the other hand is at others who cause problems or aren't proactively helping if they can. Red *assaulting* Blue was because Blue could of helped, but he wasn't planning to simply because someone else would later. Misusing his abilities and invaluable strength to continue his journey rather than help the Pokemon Team Rocket were attacking. Doesn't sound very humane does it? His support could of made things a lot easier, but he chose the greedy, self indulging path unlike Red.
We as players don’t really have the “feelings” of Pokemon when we are playing the game because everything is programmed for us. But for the protagonist it might be prostrated differently. When we started Pokemon, our first Pokemon is always the strongest the one we always use, this links to the fact Red was able to defeat a 5v1 only using his starting Pokemon. As the game goes on we players starts to keep on wanting legendaries and more power and once we finish the game we stop playing it this link to the fact Red portrays us the players. When we finish the game we don’t do anything and don’t talk to anyone in the game this shows that Red is alone with nobody. Red can’t do anything if the player isn’t controlling him so technically Red can’t speak because we never see any dialogs on him but then again he can speak to people in the game which means if we don’t control Red he can’t speak. we don’t have feelings of Pokemon because we think they programmed and for Red this is the case. We battle trainers until our Pokemon are weak and fainted this is also portrayed in Red. Technically Red is this hollow husk whom represents the players. Red is us.
Recently I read a fanfic with Red that portrayed him as being deaf. Some people who are deaf and don't have hearing aids speak gargled sounding language, because they can't hear or know what they sound like, or anyone else for that matter. And I liked that representation and concept. He knew he couldn't speak well aside from sign language so he wouldn't speak, to avoid ridicule. The game version of Red, that is. Also Bryce Papenbrook as Red in Origins ftw
To be fair, With the exceptions of Red, Leaf, Ethan/Gold, Crystal's equivalents, White, Whis, Black, Blake, and kind of Sun and Moon, we actually know the other protag's personalities somewhat through Ash's journey and the Rival protag's personality, since many parallels can be drawn to those characters. Especially since most of them are the same character. Why not Ethan/Gold and co. as well? Pfft, Idunno. Ex: May would have her personality from the show, with a bit more affinity for battles, and Brendon would have his Rival personality. Ex2: Lucas would probably be the partner personality, with Dawn having a similar personality to her anime version. Final example: Calem would take the rival personality with Serena being more of a battle trainer than her Anime version. Of course, these are only assuming the origins of the Anime counterparts are the correct ones.
Still though, I think they made it so that Red himself still portrays us, the main character, because he has a more competitive view on battling and has no dialogue, he’s the first playable antagonist anyways, us as the player just force the Pokemon to learn HMs/TMs so we can use them to travel across the region, that’s exactly what Red is doing, I mean what else should he do scout out for danger himself then DIE because he isn’t a Pokemon? Sheesh. And the PKMN Origins Red is already fake enough, he’s super cartoony and talkative in that timeline.
In the end, there are just the writers perspective about of Red Manga Red is friendly, anime Red is reckless, and game Red is just as the player wants it to be
I think the reason Red doesn’t talk because his bond with his pokemon is SO strong that they can communicate telepathically so why should he talk when he doesn’t have to.
Verlis, to be fair, Giovanni had high ass leveled pokemon compared to Red. You should know Giovanni one shot most of his pokemon. Red just didn't have high enough leveled pokemon.
Red wasent dark or evil he was quite opposite really. He was passionate and a man of action. And their were mutiple times Red was the "hero". Thats why he trained so hard why he faced team rocket alone. Red loved his starter he connected with it he choose charmander to honor his father and he identified with his grit determination and unyielding flames of surrender. Thats why whever he was in a very tight situation he called upon his starter he had complete faith in him. Hes strong silent type.
I always had a theory that Red was like taking what Pokémon is, a fun adventure where your trying to be "The very best, like no one ever was!" and going far to exteme with it. When Red scales Mt. Silver overlooking the Johto region he sees a whole new challenge and world to explore, he's caught them all in Kanto and beat every trainer, he's made his ultimate team. Yet he doesn't stop, he wants to keep going unlike the charaters of other Pokémon games they never wanted more, they beat the League, became the champion and that was it. They didn't want anything else, and past Gen 2 it's impossible to "Catch them all!" without some sort of exploit. Gold stopped Red from trying to be the best, because Red already was...
Red could just be a focused person when battling. I know when my dad trains he looks like he is out for blood, but that is how he looks when he is in the zone.
I’m pretty sure red was emotionless because he saw something that made him snap, maybe that’s because why he was at the mountain. Red is not a bad guy, he has too much of a drive to win in the end, after red takes down team rocket, the talk with Giovanni probably scarred him. It’s the reason he’s not talking, he knows that he needs to care about his Pokémon, he’s trying to come back, black and white you fight red, he’s travelling more and seeing new things. That’s what he’s doing
He became quiet,more serious and less caring for his pokemon (besides Charizard) So...how does that make him evil exactly?He never killed anyone,never directly hurt anyone or show EXTREME signs of hate
@@fairymairah Yup, Of course. Many People are already Pointing this out. They think Red is better just because he won a League. I watched Origins and Generations but I found Red as a Boring Overrated kid. At least Manga Red is much better than all of the Reds but still...
OK...to continue my rant....about the Giovanni part....u said that he become good...can you explain the every other instances of him not being a good guy especially in ultra sun and ultra moon?can you explain the gold/silver/crystal episodes of Pokemon generations?you see your looking at certain things in the Pokemon universe not the whole thing.
I loved this episode. Blue seems like he’s gotten more mature since the beginning of the game and I don’t think he was legitimately welcoming. He was just being cocky but less that normal and red is just conveyed to be so badass
The reason Red gets so serious in Origins at those scenes is probably because he’s felt a lot of compassion for Pokèmon. Or he’s grown up and exited to go on and complete his journey and finally beat Blue
And this is why throughout Pokemon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, & Ultra Moon, I would do my best to make sure all of my pokemon stayed unfainted, even if I had to revive them, all of my pokemon would be safe by the end of battle.... every battle....
Also-Red’s the only protag to frown in any of his official art. Yeah, he smiles in his first one, but in his FRLG art he just looks really angry. Really makes you wonder though, if Leaf is supposed to be just a genderbent Red, why does she look happy in her official art and not Red... calling it now, something happened to Red after going atop Mt. Silver that changed him. However, someone (presumably Blue) didn’t let Leaf go to Mt. Silver, saving her from whatever fate Red met.
Ah Pokemon theorists overthinking stuff.... Remember this: Pokemon is still aimed at youngsters there are no secret plots going on in the story, there are plot holes because there are supposed to be, there isn't meant to be an explanation to all changes you spot in animes / games. In this case they're clearly giving us an easter egg about how the character Red was when we played as him in the very first games, even though memes didn't kind of exist at the time, it was kind of a meme between players that our character was always silent and never said a word, we always wanted to "hear" him speak, but we never did, and never will, so his appearance in Sun and Moon backed up by Blue's dialogue is just a little nod to that fact. The version portrayed in Pokemon Origins tried to answer that call, but it cannot be associated to main games in any way, and your interpretation of his character development is nothing more than your wishful thinking that there has to be more to it.... There isn't, it is what it is.
I feel like if RED was evil, the battle would feel a lot different and the battle feel like your trying to save something. You said that he doesnt care about his pokemon, yet, RED has a ESPEON, which can only evolve with high friendship.
4:40 ok for my personal opinion, red is only trying to save the Pokémon that team rocket stole from other trainers and blue just care about his own goals and wants to be a hero. Sure blue sounded so mean to red but that’s to make him stronger as rivals. There has to be both good and evil in rivalry so red is slowly becoming a bad person than blue becomes more friendly towards everyone
Huh? I'm kind confused here are we talking about generations(series thing) origin s or the red from the game cause generations origins and the games aren't connected so...yeah but interesting theory
A very good theory but can't believe it but I love Red so I can't accept it.Lel.But maybe Red is always serious since he is always worried and or scarred but he never wants to show it.
5:30. I will subscribe to you now, verlisify, as this is the best content I've yet seen, if only because it is divisive in its content. But if you cannot understand the this moment, that this is truly the point where Red makes his stand against his lifelong rival and BEST FRIEND, that this is a pivotal moment of character that you felt whilst playing these games. This is not bully behavior. This is a reality check to your FRIEND. You may not have seen eye to eye, perspectives are parallel to the cause. Red isn't numb to his partners. They are not tools. They too, are his friends fighting for a common cause. He sees the bigger picture. Much as a monk realizes the philosophical dichotomy of righteousnes, so does Red seeing the bigger picture. So be it aggressive behavior to make a stand for what is (utilitarianistally) the righteous cause against your friend, endeavoring (pun intended) to be bend his will to the greater good, to help you, help Pokémon. And the world itself, anarchiachal as it may be, needs such a hero. I needn't finish this video to make this point here. Message me, please. I have thoughts and ambitions rooted in Pokémon that I'd love to debate with you.
there's a theory that said that when red wanted to complete the Pokédex he went to Mt silver and when he went there he found out there was over 151 Pokemon and became depressed because of it and just stayed there and waited til he found a trainer to fight and he died along the process and he's a ghost in Mt silver
I think red just had a different reaction to his experiences than red. I think because red cared too much that it scarred him which led him to become the person he is now. I don't think he has become the bad guy I just think he's realized the bad in the world which made him lose his optimism
Interesting theory, I see what you mean with Red being harsh towards the Pokemon, I think it shows how we were as red back in generation1. Just using one Pokemon to thrash the game with I feel like that's how red. He probably don't care but anything but winning. Only when your on the top of mt.silver and your the strongest trainer in the world, it's lonely at the top, he probably thinks his Pokemon is strong enough not to go Pokemon center.. As for the him not saying a word, it does come off a little rude.. or maybe he has selective mutism (condition where you don't speak in specific places) I had this when I was at school, Maybe he didn't talk so instead let his speech/anger out only in the battlefield. And not talking maybe heightened other senses/feelings. So when he did talk it was probably the feelings he was holding back on. It's not a permanent thing. Maybe why he was alone on mt. silver to talk/ bond with Pokemon without others being around. Pokemon probably made him safe and it was lonely at the top, so what's left to do but get along with the Pokemon (Kinda reminds me of snow way out episode in that perspective)
Red probably just went insane because he caught all the Pokemon in his region only to find out there were many other regions out there with a hundred more Pokemon each.
Also, I am 12. I am sorry to ask this, but, what do you mean by "His legacy isn't portrayed as coldly"? Does that mean he is not as, well, agressive as Red, I guess?
If there was a change in Red, then it's only in Origins. Not even in the manga did Red change his attitude in the Kanto region. Origins was made simply for promotional purposes since it had Mega forms in it.
For whatever reason, Red has always come off to me as if he some sort of social anxiety. He doesn’t speak unless a dialogue choice is chosen by the the player themself, and he doesn’t speak at all when he isn’t being controlled by the player. He is only ever confirmed to speak when he encounters the copycat girl (if I remember correctly) so he doesn’t seem to talk at all otherwise, as “yes” and “no” can be illustrated by nodding or shaking your head. It never felt to me that the Red in the games was ever a villain, and he instead has some sort of anxiety.
Well maybe a grown man doesn’t want to fight a 10 year old? Also maybe he wants to complete every dex for each region so he needs the legendary Pokémon to do that
I agree, when I first met Blue and Red at the battle tree in Ultra moon. My thoughts were "oh no, Blue is going to be a jerk to me" , but no, i did feel he was friendly, like a great guy to hang around with. Really up beat. And this question about "why Red is always silent" I thought it was, him unable to catch Mew or something cheese. But then it got me thinking "what if it's something deeper than that".
But... does origins really take place in the same universe as sun and moon? As far as I understand it, the games take place in 2 universes: the Mega evolution universe and the No mega evolution universe. Do pokemon ever mega evolve in origins?
I made some researches as well and you know what I've learned? Red in Manga, Game and Anime are completely different persons. - Manga Red: Picked Bulbasaur. Friendly, kind heart who teach the others to do so with Pokemon (Yellow is the obvious). He's already the best trainer in his town when the manga begins. - Game Red: Picked Charmander. NEVER SAY A WORD. Has to play through some tutorial (I'll say that he learns to be a trainer), after that, HE DOESN'T LOSE A SINGLE FIGHT. - Anime Red: ... This is a little bit hard, still picked Charmander, but his personality is .. kindda.. unclear. Some time harhs, some time arrogant, and... so on.I... um.. don't know how to catch this but in this real world, prople call it either Tsundere of Multiple Personality. and it took like 2 episode for him to be a good trainer, thats way too long And the 3 also becomes the legends in their Kanto, but to me, in their own ways.
A genwunner would say Hilbert is evil (the male Unova trainer you play as) because it is required for all genwunners to hate gen 5. Even though it's the best in the series by a longshot.
Gen 5 was pretty good, although I didn't like most of the Pokemon designs. In my opinion, Sinnoh was by far the worst. The starters are horrible, and just.. *why is chimchar a thing*...
I love that I found versify through videos hating on him. My first impression with him was that I hated who he was because of what other people were saying about him. After watching his channel though, I know people are just blowing a bunch of smoke.
I found him while I was looking up stuff on Sun and Moon, around when the games were new, and wanted to learn more about what there was to do in the game. At the very time I didn't know he was so hated on because of what he was calling out, but alas. I noticed unusually high amounts of dislikes, though.
And Giovanni doesnt know arrogance. He is a Villian, the main bad dude, he doesnt know anything about red or blue, he just knows red is getting in his way, and posturing him
...What the hell, this whole video was made because you thought him being silent was strange? :D you don't think you're over reacting a little? oh lord...
Pokemon Origins debunks every comment saying "Red is us as the player, so he can't talk" Also in Pokemon generations the other trainers are shown to be much more friendly even without dialogue. Gold smiles at the success of the Lake of Rage Mission.
Verlisify Wait...Link >from legend of zelda< Is the player,and we get speech options in some games
Pokemon origins is different from the games yes it is following reds story but that is a different red since it is not following the game red the generations red is the player red
actually this theories has so many holes to debunked but i too lazy to write about it because there gonna be a lot of sentence and word and i sure some of viewer is lazy to click readmore button because of it.
suck bleach huh i thought i the only one think that this theory full of holes but who i am kidding of course it is. some of theory full of hole and some of it full of missunderstanding or error that why it call theory there no guarantee that 100% true.
but you can enlighten us with your debunk comment i sure some of us appreciate your hardwork for debunked this theory for us.(if your not too lazy to writed that is)
Red is us as the player. It's been more than 20 years, get over it.
Or it could just be that canon red is literally mute. Also, being cold, not being talkative, and not being friendly don't inherently make you evil.
Very true
you didnt watch the anime didnt you? red's journey and all that
Poopergeist nothing inherently makes you evil.
yes you get it!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
He is not mute
5:51 Literally just showed a scene where Red is putting Pokémon first and shaming Blue for not doing the same
Jachariah as a point of Red being a good character, this is also believed to the breaking point. The video does make a realistic point on why Blue decided not to help.
Jachariah He looks psycho tbh
He's honestly probs trolling but he sounds like he doesn't even belive what he's saying
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No hate.
Blue does care. He's just scared to face team rocket and like a normal person you let the athorities hadle it. I mean in real life (Wich the video is more likely a realistic point of view) you can't just charge into evil organizations. It might cause a ruckus. Just my opinion though.
Maybe red is a competitive battler???
Super Derrick 1992 😂😂
Lmao
Super Derrick 1992 lol ikr the guy in this video acts like competitive battling doesn’t exist and he acts like it’s never been apart of reds nature the dumbass 😂
Tea tbh competitive battler pokemon fans lowkey annoy me because they all use the same pokemon and don’t know how to actually enjoy the games it’s kinda sad.
nope red has become kaneki from tokyo ghoul XD
I actually love what they did, red and blue became so mature
Machore
Nebula Dog no it's "mature"
No in English is machore
Nebula Dog wtf...
Nebula Dog no. It's spelled "mature". Look it up.
blue isn't a dick in the first gen's dialogue. He even gives tips! But garry from the anime in other hand...
Blue isn't a jerk, he just thinks you smell good and wants to smell you later
Shiny Flygon lol
You would probably change your mind when you see the cut lines. They likely weren't added because they made you hate him WAY too much. Just imagine you slog through the E4 and finally beat the final boss, only to lose to him and have to hear him monologue about how great he is, followed with a "Nice try, loser! Hahaha!" Not adding those lines certainly changed his character, but I would imagine that Red had gone through a similar transformation, only less verbose.
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Red always wears a neutral mask. It makes him relatable to the character. He is stoic and cool.
Blue was humbled by Red and has grown.
Blue: “I made it to the end of the game.”
Red: “And now you’ll face the final boss: Me.”
Blue is better then Gary
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True
I like gary when he went to sinnoh xD
Is Blue a Nicer Trainer compared to Gary ! ?
but if Giovanni (a bad guy) is calling red arrogant, I think it would be different than Profesor Oak (a good guy) calling his grandson arrogant
collin boyer Giovanni being a bad guy is subjective, I think we are influenced by a sense of morality fed to us by one point of view with not enough information. The Manga really shows Giovanni off as a wise and powerful leader with an open mind and solid ideals
right but what I was saying was that Giovanni and red are on opposite sides while Blue is Oak's grandson. I'm just saying it might be a little different
but if oak is a kind soul, wouldn't that make him have a HIGHER tolerance for arrogance?
so if oak has a higher tolerance, and Giovanni himself being more arrogant, wouldn't that mean that someone would have to be more arrogant for oak to point it out than Giovanni? Calling someone else arrogant is part of who you are if you are arrogant.
Giovanni was a good guy
Also, you're comparing Pokémon from the game and origins. They're not the same thing.
Ikr I'm lmfaoooooo rn
After losing half my team to Red in a Nuzlocke, yeah- Red's definitely evil. He will never be forgiven.
Nuzlocke on original gold/silver or soul/heart?
@@wickdolf5692 Heart Gold
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@DAVIN TAYLOR he's a Better Trainer !
I kinda like how red doesn’t talk or smile
It makes it feel like this is a true fight
Have you even noticed that generations is literally based in the games and so the person you play as would be silent like red, gold, etc.
Also we don’t really see his mouth in shot so you can’t say he’s not smiling but you can’t say the opposite. As the player in this situation the only thing that player would want to do IS win.
The anime version of red that you showed is just that. A version of red.
I think the reason blue was shown in generations was because we had already seen a Red focus in pokemon origins.
Red walking in like:
Im about to end this mans whole career
I THINK YOUR REACHING A LITTLE BIT TO FAR
Nah, subtle animation cues and storytelling usually have a snowball of deeper meaning
Heroes of the Summit, and B2/W2 in the Pokemon World Tournament.
@Heroes of the Summit ikr he needs to play R/B/G/Y G/S/C (and HG/SS I guess) too actually see the reason red is at mt.silver
@LightStone1603 dude you just called him out🤣🤣🤣🤣 nicccccce😎
Verlisify no you kind of are. But it’s your own interpretation. We all have different interpretations, yours isn’t always right you know. Give room for others to have a civil conversation.
Spoilers: Red went to mt Silver to heal his hands #manga
Jimmy then stayed and forgot about his mom and friends
Finally someone understands!
I know broski, that's true! Personally i like the mangas interpertation of Red goin to mount silver to heal his hands more then the origin explanation. But that is just oppionins. You say potatoe, I say tomatoe
The red in the manta is an entirely different person.
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Nebula Dog the Manga definitely kills the anime and games combined in storytelling and captivation I've read pokemon special atleast a dozen times, I have to go back through everytime new gens are translated
5:35 Blue isn’t his friend at that time...
You can't call him a villian...
*If he has a speech impedament :v*
Nami? ':v
Dumbass he just chooses not to talk
@@__Woomy So?
I finally did it I became the champion of the Pokémon league Red: i’m about to end this man’s Entire career
Good and evil aren't split into two clear separate sides. Red's actions depict him as a usual trainer, having their Pokemon get hurt in a battle is nothing new. His anger on the other hand is at others who cause problems or aren't proactively helping if they can. Red *assaulting* Blue was because Blue could of helped, but he wasn't planning to simply because someone else would later. Misusing his abilities and invaluable strength to continue his journey rather than help the Pokemon Team Rocket were attacking. Doesn't sound very humane does it? His support could of made things a lot easier, but he chose the greedy, self indulging path unlike Red.
Ya know, you had me there for a second, but the rest of your “evidence” is super bad...
Exactly,
We as players don’t really have the “feelings” of Pokemon when we are playing the game because everything is programmed for us. But for the protagonist it might be prostrated differently. When we started Pokemon, our first Pokemon is always the strongest the one we always use, this links to the fact Red was able to defeat a 5v1 only using his starting Pokemon. As the game goes on we players starts to keep on wanting legendaries and more power and once we finish the game we stop playing it this link to the fact Red portrays us the players. When we finish the game we don’t do anything and don’t talk to anyone in the game this shows that Red is alone with nobody. Red can’t do anything if the player isn’t controlling him so technically Red can’t speak because we never see any dialogs on him but then again he can speak to people in the game which means if we don’t control Red he can’t speak. we don’t have feelings of Pokemon because we think they programmed and for Red this is the case. We battle trainers until our Pokemon are weak and fainted this is also portrayed in Red.
Technically Red is this hollow husk whom represents the players. Red is us.
Pokemon is deep
I just wanted to play a freaking game
This is
More than i bargained for
IDC
wow, this is deep
hmm, there is an antagonist but I cant really say Red is a bad guy or a good person. To me Red seems to be an inexperience thinker and can be aloof.
Recently I read a fanfic with Red that portrayed him as being deaf. Some people who are deaf and don't have hearing aids speak gargled sounding language, because they can't hear or know what they sound like, or anyone else for that matter. And I liked that representation and concept. He knew he couldn't speak well aside from sign language so he wouldn't speak, to avoid ridicule. The game version of Red, that is.
Also Bryce Papenbrook as Red in Origins ftw
Whoa I never thought of that!!! Dang...
Could be just ASD since the Pokemon creator have it too
Live long enough to become the Villain....
SoulCrusherEx Batman?
The games should really give the protagonists more personality.
Carlos Rodriguez ikr
No kidding, even the trainers of SM suffers this condition
To be fair, With the exceptions of Red, Leaf, Ethan/Gold, Crystal's equivalents, White, Whis, Black, Blake, and kind of Sun and Moon, we actually know the other protag's personalities somewhat through Ash's journey and the Rival protag's personality, since many parallels can be drawn to those characters. Especially since most of them are the same character. Why not Ethan/Gold and co. as well? Pfft, Idunno.
Ex: May would have her personality from the show, with a bit more affinity for battles, and Brendon would have his Rival personality.
Ex2: Lucas would probably be the partner personality, with Dawn having a similar personality to her anime version.
Final example: Calem would take the rival personality with Serena being more of a battle trainer than her Anime version.
Of course, these are only assuming the origins of the Anime counterparts are the correct ones.
if you want personality read the pokespe manga, every protagonist from every pokemon game is there and they have interesting arcs and personalities
Carlos Rodriguez sun and moon does that alot more than the other ones
Still though, I think they made it so that Red himself still portrays us, the main character, because he has a more competitive view on battling and has no dialogue, he’s the first playable antagonist anyways, us as the player just force the Pokemon to learn HMs/TMs so we can use them to travel across the region, that’s exactly what Red is doing, I mean what else should he do scout out for danger himself then DIE because he isn’t a Pokemon? Sheesh.
And the PKMN Origins Red is already fake enough, he’s super cartoony and talkative in that timeline.
If you pause it at exactly 3:36
That face is the face I make when I hear my alarm clock
A spinning blue ball? What
Ash and Red 😌
In the end, there are just the writers perspective about of Red
Manga Red is friendly, anime Red is reckless, and game Red is just as the player wants it to be
I think the reason Red doesn’t talk because his bond with his pokemon is SO strong that they can communicate telepathically so why should he talk when he doesn’t have to.
Red isn't saying anything because he's a ditto and saying anything will reveal his true identity.
but ditto smiles while red is just grumpy
Verlis, to be fair, Giovanni had high ass leveled pokemon compared to Red. You should know Giovanni one shot most of his pokemon. Red just didn't have high enough leveled pokemon.
Thai Nguyen Great point.
yeah so true.. he's charizard is his strongest and i think that charizard is level 50 or more
but the other just level 30..
@@sansanfajrian3847 he should help his Pok'e'mon to Level up some more !
Oh really?! So red was angry at blue couse the pokemon are getting abused.
So how did red beacome bad huh... expain it in part 2.
If u make one.
5:34 dude that is an anime cliche
Red entering the doorway like a psychopath he's gonna murder blue lmao
Red wasent dark or evil he was quite opposite really. He was passionate and a man of action. And their were mutiple times Red was the "hero". Thats why he trained so hard why he faced team rocket alone. Red loved his starter he connected with it he choose charmander to honor his father and he identified with his grit determination and unyielding flames of surrender. Thats why whever he was in a very tight situation he called upon his starter he had complete faith in him. Hes strong silent type.
I always had a theory that Red was like taking what Pokémon is, a fun adventure where your trying to be "The very best, like no one ever was!" and going far to exteme with it.
When Red scales Mt. Silver overlooking the Johto region he sees a whole new challenge and world to explore, he's caught them all in Kanto and beat every trainer, he's made his ultimate team. Yet he doesn't stop, he wants to keep going unlike the charaters of other Pokémon games they never wanted more, they beat the League, became the champion and that was it. They didn't want anything else, and past Gen 2 it's impossible to "Catch them all!" without some sort of exploit. Gold stopped Red from trying to be the best, because Red already was...
Red you've been my fav but when I hered this I was like 😧😮
Red could just be a focused person when battling. I know when my dad trains he looks like he is out for blood, but that is how he looks when he is in the zone.
What if we are reds soul, and when we aren't him he's heartless
And yet they say Team Rocket is Heartless !
Red forgot to use Pidgey while fighting Brock.
I’m pretty sure red was emotionless because he saw something that made him snap, maybe that’s because why he was at the mountain. Red is not a bad guy, he has too much of a drive to win in the end, after red takes down team rocket, the talk with Giovanni probably scarred him. It’s the reason he’s not talking, he knows that he needs to care about his Pokémon, he’s trying to come back, black and white you fight red, he’s travelling more and seeing new things. That’s what he’s doing
He became quiet,more serious and less caring for his pokemon (besides Charizard)
So...how does that make him evil exactly?He never killed anyone,never directly hurt anyone or show EXTREME signs of hate
Does this mean Ash is a Much Better Trainer ! ?
@@fairymairah Yup, Of course. Many People are already Pointing this out. They think Red is better just because he won a League. I watched Origins and Generations but I found Red as a Boring Overrated kid. At least Manga Red is much better than all of the Reds but still...
@@howtodoit8628 I see .
Red Evil & Ash Evil 🤔😅
5:59 the saving the pokemon tower was a idea from red, blue wanted the honor
OK...to continue my rant....about the Giovanni part....u said that he become good...can you explain the every other instances of him not being a good guy especially in ultra sun and ultra moon?can you explain the gold/silver/crystal episodes of Pokemon generations?you see your looking at certain things in the Pokemon universe not the whole thing.
then again there are multiple universes in pkmn so on some way u could be right about a different red
The USUM episode RR villains are specifically versions of themselves from universes where they won.
I loved this episode. Blue seems like he’s gotten more mature since the beginning of the game and I don’t think he was legitimately welcoming. He was just being cocky but less that normal and red is just conveyed to be so badass
The reason Red gets so serious in Origins at those scenes is probably because he’s felt a lot of compassion for Pokèmon. Or he’s grown up and exited to go on and complete his journey and finally beat Blue
*red is possessed by dark matter*
And this is why throughout Pokemon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, & Ultra Moon, I would do my best to make sure all of my pokemon stayed unfainted, even if I had to revive them, all of my pokemon would be safe by the end of battle.... every battle....
Also-Red’s the only protag to frown in any of his official art. Yeah, he smiles in his first one, but in his FRLG art he just looks really angry. Really makes you wonder though, if Leaf is supposed to be just a genderbent Red, why does she look happy in her official art and not Red... calling it now, something happened to Red after going atop Mt. Silver that changed him. However, someone (presumably Blue) didn’t let Leaf go to Mt. Silver, saving her from whatever fate Red met.
Plot twist - Red is mute
Red comes in like I'm bout to end this whole man's career
generations is always dark
But the Manga is Still Worse ! ?
Ah Pokemon theorists overthinking stuff....
Remember this: Pokemon is still aimed at youngsters there are no secret plots going on in the story, there are plot holes because there are supposed to be, there isn't meant to be an explanation to all changes you spot in animes / games.
In this case they're clearly giving us an easter egg about how the character Red was when we played as him in the very first games, even though memes didn't kind of exist at the time, it was kind of a meme between players that our character was always silent and never said a word, we always wanted to "hear" him speak, but we never did, and never will, so his appearance in Sun and Moon backed up by Blue's dialogue is just a little nod to that fact.
The version portrayed in Pokemon Origins tried to answer that call, but it cannot be associated to main games in any way, and your interpretation of his character development is nothing more than your wishful thinking that there has to be more to it.... There isn't, it is what it is.
I’m fine with Red being the strong, silent type. No quarrels here.
We all know the real protagonist.
*Joey and his Rattata.*
I feel like if RED was evil, the battle would feel a lot different and the battle feel like your trying to save something. You said that he doesnt care about his pokemon, yet, RED has a ESPEON, which can only evolve with high friendship.
Red is mad cuz all he got was a congratulations from oak after catching all 151 Pokemon
red does this ..... in all the games it is normol
4:40 ok for my personal opinion, red is only trying to save the Pokémon that team rocket stole from other trainers and blue just care about his own goals and wants to be a hero. Sure blue sounded so mean to red but that’s to make him stronger as rivals. There has to be both good and evil in rivalry so red is slowly becoming a bad person than blue becomes more friendly towards everyone
Okay
Huh? I'm kind confused here are we talking about generations(series thing) origin s or the red from the game cause generations origins and the games aren't connected so...yeah but interesting theory
A very good theory but can't believe it but I love Red so I can't accept it.Lel.But maybe Red is always serious since he is always worried and or scarred but he never wants to show it.
5:30.
I will subscribe to you now, verlisify, as this is the best content I've yet seen, if only because it is divisive in its content.
But if you cannot understand the this moment, that this is truly the point where Red makes his stand against his lifelong rival and BEST FRIEND, that this is a pivotal moment of character that you felt whilst playing these games. This is not bully behavior. This is a reality check to your FRIEND. You may not have seen eye to eye, perspectives are parallel to the cause. Red isn't numb to his partners. They are not tools. They too, are his friends fighting for a common cause. He sees the bigger picture. Much as a monk realizes the philosophical dichotomy of righteousnes, so does Red seeing the bigger picture. So be it aggressive behavior to make a stand for what is (utilitarianistally) the righteous cause against your friend, endeavoring (pun intended) to be bend his will to the greater good, to help you, help Pokémon. And the world itself, anarchiachal as it may be, needs such a hero. I needn't finish this video to make this point here. Message me, please. I have thoughts and ambitions rooted in Pokémon that I'd love to debate with you.
Blue said I am finally the champion... Red said I THINK NOT!
maybe Red is disabled and can't talk cut him some slack
Zeeshan Rahman no he isn’t lmao
@@H4Z4RDW4RN1NG the manga proves it.
@@Ahmed_0303 The manga The games and the anime are sepparete universes (sorry for bad english)
there's a theory that said that when red wanted to complete the Pokédex he went to Mt silver and when he went there he found out there was over 151 Pokemon and became depressed because of it and just stayed there and waited til he found a trainer to fight and he died along the process and he's a ghost in Mt silver
Would you smile if your rival beat you to the end?
Red is an allegory for the toxic community.
AmphyTheGreat True
Pokémon? Toxic community? Psycho Mantis? Are you okay?
I think red just had a different reaction to his experiences than red. I think because red cared too much that it scarred him which led him to become the person he is now. I don't think he has become the bad guy I just think he's realized the bad in the world which made him lose his optimism
Red died inside along the way.
Interesting theory, I see what you mean with Red being harsh towards the Pokemon, I think it shows how we were as red back in generation1. Just using one Pokemon to thrash the game with I feel like that's how red. He probably don't care but anything but winning.
Only when your on the top of mt.silver and your the strongest trainer in the world, it's lonely at the top, he probably thinks his Pokemon is strong enough not to go Pokemon center..
As for the him not saying a word, it does come off a little rude.. or maybe he has selective mutism (condition where you don't speak in specific places) I had this when I was at school,
Maybe he didn't talk so instead let his speech/anger out only in the battlefield.
And not talking maybe heightened other senses/feelings.
So when he did talk it was probably the feelings he was holding back on.
It's not a permanent thing.
Maybe why he was alone on mt. silver to talk/ bond with Pokemon without others being around.
Pokemon probably made him safe and it was lonely at the top, so what's left to do but get along with the Pokemon
(Kinda reminds me of snow way out episode in that perspective)
Also I see red as he used to be you, me and everyone that beat anything.
We were him in a past life.
Red probably just went insane because he caught all the Pokemon in his region only to find out there were many other regions out there with a hundred more Pokemon each.
Also
If Red is a bad guy...
Is Gold a good guy?
I mean
They both did the same kind of things
And they battled on Mt. Silver
Sooo
What, Verlisify?
Gold actually smiles in generations. His legacy isn't portrayed as coldly
OMG you replied! Honestly, I respect your opinion. Maybe since you did a video about Red, do a video on Gold?
Also, I am 12. I am sorry to ask this, but, what do you mean by "His legacy isn't portrayed as coldly"? Does that mean he is not as, well, agressive as Red, I guess?
Pokemon Trainer Gold kinda because red was kinda cold hearted when walking to battle blue
Devbee If I were walking up to destroy one of my friend's dreams do you expect me to be smiling the whole time?
If there was a change in Red, then it's only in Origins.
Not even in the manga did Red change his attitude in the Kanto region.
Origins was made simply for promotional purposes since it had Mega forms in it.
Woah that’s an intense theory Verlis! You should do more of these!
No he shouldn't. He's not good at em. Blue was never a jerk. Gary was, but they're not the same people.
dino stills Okay fine, but can you come up with a better theory? One that hasn’t already been thought of?
i could he has feelings and he did not say anything about the feelings emotion he said it in plain filth
said no real pokemon fan who knows there facts ever please tell me this is sarcasm
@@darthdino33 They are the same Bruh. Blue is actually Gary until the People keep calling him Blue/Green
For whatever reason, Red has always come off to me as if he some sort of social anxiety. He doesn’t speak unless a dialogue choice is chosen by the the player themself, and he doesn’t speak at all when he isn’t being controlled by the player. He is only ever confirmed to speak when he encounters the copycat girl (if I remember correctly) so he doesn’t seem to talk at all otherwise, as “yes” and “no” can be illustrated by nodding or shaking your head. It never felt to me that the Red in the games was ever a villain, and he instead has some sort of anxiety.
Woah. That's deep. Wonderful theory!
As always, wonderful video Verlis!
The championship got to Red's head and he became boujee. lol
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"hurry up and come"
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Aaaa no red x yellow
If I was a Pok'e'mon Trainer! I would try to teach my Pok'e'mon how Not get Hurt in Battle! They're Magical Creatures after all !
Red is my new husbando. UwU
Well maybe a grown man doesn’t want to fight a 10 year old?
Also maybe he wants to complete every dex for each region so he needs the legendary Pokémon to do that
Reds LOVE hit 20
I agree, when I first met Blue and Red at the battle tree in Ultra moon. My thoughts were "oh no, Blue is going to be a jerk to me" , but no, i did feel he was friendly, like a great guy to hang around with. Really up beat. And this question about "why Red is always silent" I thought it was, him unable to catch Mew or something cheese. But then it got me thinking "what if it's something deeper than that".
But... does origins really take place in the same universe as sun and moon?
As far as I understand it, the games take place in 2 universes: the Mega evolution universe and the No mega evolution universe.
Do pokemon ever mega evolve in origins?
I made some researches as well and you know what I've learned? Red in Manga, Game and Anime are completely different persons.
- Manga Red: Picked Bulbasaur. Friendly, kind heart who teach the others to do so with Pokemon (Yellow is the obvious). He's already the best trainer in his town when the manga begins.
- Game Red: Picked Charmander. NEVER SAY A WORD. Has to play through some tutorial (I'll say that he learns to be a trainer), after that, HE DOESN'T LOSE A SINGLE FIGHT.
- Anime Red: ... This is a little bit hard, still picked Charmander, but his personality is .. kindda.. unclear. Some time harhs, some time arrogant, and... so on.I... um.. don't know how to catch this but in this real world, prople call it either Tsundere of Multiple Personality. and it took like 2 episode for him to be a good trainer, thats way too long
And the 3 also becomes the legends in their Kanto, but to me, in their own ways.
A genwunner would say Hilbert is evil (the male Unova trainer you play as) because it is required for all genwunners to hate gen 5. Even though it's the best in the series by a longshot.
Jacob Wenner but isn't gen 4 the worst? :^) also gen 5 just suffers from horrible pokemon desings, that's from where most of the hate comes.
Gen 4 is amazing
Hate alola
Gen 5 was pretty good, although I didn't like most of the Pokemon designs. In my opinion, Sinnoh was by far the worst. The starters are horrible, and just.. *why is chimchar a thing*...
If you turn the brightness up at 1:16 it looks like he’s gone insane kinda
...and Red killed Blue's Ratticate
No he didn’t
No he didn't watch the game theorists they said that red didn't actually kill his raticate
*MURDERER!!!*
Nah
Bryce T there’s an entire video on the Game Theorist’s channel that debunked that theory. I’m not saying you should believe it just take a look k? 😊
5:10: team rocket took over the lab where they are making the master ball, red wanted to help, blue didnt
I love that I found versify through videos hating on him. My first impression with him was that I hated who he was because of what other people were saying about him. After watching his channel though, I know people are just blowing a bunch of smoke.
Gabe Khaos definitely
I found him while I was looking up stuff on Sun and Moon, around when the games were new, and wanted to learn more about what there was to do in the game. At the very time I didn't know he was so hated on because of what he was calling out, but alas. I noticed unusually high amounts of dislikes, though.
Scott Rohrbeck there are reasons people hate him.
Gabe Khaos there are reasons people hate him. it’s not for nothing.
What’s the reason?
i would think that red became like he is due to him learning of more pokemon in the pokedex, and how professor oak never told him this.
Pokémon Pokedex Pikachu????😔
My favorite version of Reds story is the Pokémon adventures manga
And Giovanni doesnt know arrogance. He is a Villian, the main bad dude, he doesnt know anything about red or blue, he just knows red is getting in his way, and posturing him
Pesturing*
I think Poke logic disabled his voice XD
Look at his eyes when walking in like what the hell
...What the hell, this whole video was made because you thought him being silent was strange? :D you don't think you're over reacting a little? oh lord...
Kevin Krasnov he interprets a little bit too much.
I do agree with you. But the only thing debatable to be a bad guy is Origins Red
Reds vocal cords: I don't feel so good....
Reds nice emotions: I don't wanna go....