Me personal theory is that Red was told by Sabrina that a trainer as strong as him would one day appear at Mt. Silver, so Red went to train there. This would make sense as Sabrina says in the games that she saw a vision of us but didn’t expect our power.
this being the comment tells me this video isn’t going to give me a real answer, and that your answer is just as good as whatever this guy is gonna head canon
My headcanon is quite simply that Red was not cut out to be the public figure that the championship title demanded. Once he was champion, there was no avoiding the attention, so he went to the only place that nobody else would reach him, at least for three years. Then some damn kid found him and ruined that hiding spot too.
One funny theory that I really like on why Red is holed up in Mt. Silver is because of his Snorlax. It needs more food than one kid could feasibly deal with, so he lives in it's native mountain habitat where it can just feed itself.
I think that Red just grew bored after becoming champion. Having completing pokedex, defeated Team Rocket, and if you want consider events of Fire Red, he even fought Lugia, Ho-Oh and Deoxys but did not catch them. Red was so powerful that he released the legendary birds, Mew and Mewtwo because it was no fun to use them in battle since they are too strong. Also, Red is seen to have some kind of Power Thirst, as Oak said to Cynthia in pkm Masters: "Red is never satisfied with its own power" So I would imagine he wants more challanges to grow stronger, that is why he go to the toughest place in Kanto and Johto to train not just his pokemon but probably himself in the wilderness. I would imagine Red having a personality similar to Sung Jinwoo from Solo Leveling.
Isn't the area just around Red in Mt.Silver one of the only areas in the original games where you can catch a wild Pupitar? Personally I think it's as simple as this: Red never stopped being himself, he's still on his own PkMn journey, and we're bumping into him while he's out there looking for a pupitar to eventually add Tyranitar to his team.
That and the fact that the strongest pokemon (level wise) are all around that location, being the end game. Red is there training because that's the most dangerous area he knows ATM.
In Gen 1, Oak mentions that the Pokedex writes itself. It's possible that Mew and Mewtwo were simply unaccounted for until Red encountered them, catching Mewtwo first followed by Mew. The previously-existing Pokemon could have had their orders defined by Oak or other researchers, since they were more well-known and better-documented. In the manga, Red goes to Mt. Silver to recover in some special hot springs there, after having been frozen in ice for a long period of time. That never happened in the games, though, so that reason isn't relevant there. My personal theory is that he was looking for rare Pokemon (possibly Mew but idk), and/or maybe he released Moltres there recently (you can find Moltres in Mt. Silver in HGSS).
I like your Moltres theory. Always wondering how a literal bird covered in flames resides inside of a mountain that hails all year round. I always thought it’d make much more sense if they placed Arcticuno instead of Moltres - until i see this comment.
i love how in the battle tree he just stands there lifelessly. my head cannon isn't that red is mute, but he has severe social anxiety and doesn't know how to act normal around other humans. which could explain why he is so good at pokemon training. he struggles to develop bonds with humans so he develops them with his pokemon.
Or he is a Pokémon, it was a theory from another TH-camr can't remember which one maybe hoops and hiphop? But they said that it makes sense for red to be a mew clone experiment which would be why oak treats red as his own child cause he did help create him lol
I’m personally subscribed to the theory that Red went there to look for Mew and also to make sure he’s ready to battle the challenger Sabrina told him about (Ethan/Kris or Lyra)
The manga outright says Red was on Mt Silver because he was healing an injury he got fighting the Elite Four. Sabrina had the same injury and told him about the hot springs on top of Mt Silver that she used to heal in.
Red was training. Because the pokemon on Mt. Silver are very strong compared to other location on Johto and Kanto Region. Since he was the champion on both region, he got the access there so he won't let the chance slide. As for why he was disappear after the battle was most likely he knew what the Gold/Silver/Crystal MC is good enough as the champion, so he went to travel the world and to train his pokemon and challenge more strong trainer.
I don't think Red having an Espeon is a reference to manga Red's eevee; namely, because the reason manga Red's eevee evolved into Espeon was *because* he had an Espeon in GSC - it only appears as Espeon during the GSC arc, in the second or so volume no less, well after GSC was out. It's more likely to me that the Espeon (both in the games and manga) is meant to be the Celadon Mansion Eevee, which they evolved into one of the new GSC Eeveelutions to show off the mechanic.
Let's not forget that Nugget Bridge is where you can catch Mew. Which might explain why there's a Rocket recuter just hanging around there. He's actually waiting for a trainer to refuse hus offer, that would be a sign of a pure hearted person. Something required to see Mew.
Um... no. Mew was secretly put into the game towards the end of development, (but never put in as a static or wild encouter) and the nugget bridge area is just the absolute EARLIEST you can glitch him into existence. Touch grass, lmao.
@@Your_LastSurprise He got approval. You don't just do something like add an extra Pokemon without telling the boss. They just didn't expect anybody to actually find it. *_THAT'S_* what made it a secret. I work outdoors. I touch grass at least 5 days a week.
@@timwoods2852 But you still have to use a glitch that nobody knew about for nearly 20 years to access Mew that early. A glitch. Sure, Mew was approved. But think about this. They had to cut so much of the game so the rest would fit on the already dated cartridge Nintendo was dead set on using. Mew was unfortunately one of the cuts. That or they planned near the end to make it an Event Only Pokémon. Either way, it does not change the fact that the other guy was right, despite being a "Tough Guy" Know-it-all loser. Your theory is also wrong I hate to say it. There's no hint of Mew even hoping to find or "test" anyone pure of heart anywhere in Kanto. How do I know this? Simple. Despite having access to the game's sloppy excuse for code, not one person has found anything that points to Mew being an in-game event of any kind or even looking for "Pure Hearts". There's no text on Mew even existing outside of the Manor in Cinnabar Island (Unless I'm forgetting another source in-game?). Even then, it's all so vague, you can't really make out what Mew is supposed to be (assuming you're the trainer that finds the old text in the manor and not the irl person that either waited 30 years for answers or figured it out like a Noir Film detective). Of course, I hope I'm not missing context here, because if I am, then I'll look like an ass next.
Worth mentioning in the manga that red was sent to the peaks of the mountain to heal from being petrified. Not that there's anything to assume the one in the games was gravely injured, but still. Still the manga reflects the games very frequently.
I remember when Guyana was mentioned back in the day as the habitat of Mew. My whole family is from Guyana, so I was surprised to hear them mention Guyana since most people have never heard of it 😅 My friends and I still laugh about how Guyana is technically a canon part of the Pokémon world (though it’ll probably get retconned if it hasn’t already).
In OG red, blue and fire red and leaf green, Guyana was noted in one of the diaries in the Pokemon mansion but that line of text was cut out in the let's GO games so the retcon was fairly recent
I vividly remembered this too - but instead of Guyana, it’s a tiny island amongst the archipelago somewhere near the South American continent. In Pokemon games, one of the only way you could encounter a wild Mew was on Faraway Island in Emerald too. It’d be so interesting to see how Brendan/ May sailed all the way from Japan, across the freaking Pacific Ocean to Guyana. xD
My Mum's side is guyanese also and I thought Mews origin from there was interesting too! Same with the Monster Hunter series - they found much inspiration for games from Guyana.
I personally headcanon it's because he was overwhelmed from the fame he received as champion and just wanted to live peacefully. Just like Pedro Araujo's series on him.
I am having a blast with these latest videos and theories about the earlier generations. I missed these kinds of old school theories. And they are new and fresh as well. Keep up the great work Toby.
Yeah, I don't mind theory videos. It can help promote healthy discussion and speculation on the franchise in one way or another. What I don't like is some CCs (Toby included sometimes) like to make these theories into fact where there's nothing supporting it as such (Not saying he did it here, only in a few previous videos). But I guess you gotta make that money somehow when you trap yourself as an Exclusive Pokémon TH-camr... even if that means lying to people.
Had another pokemon dream, Pokemon Legends: Path of Ash. In the "dream" game you followed an approximate of Ash's journey through all the regions needing to get the badges from each to enter the master league and eventually fight an adult Ash Ketchum after a mix of other anime protagonists in 6v6 matches, with pokemon being able to level to 225 and Ash's Pikachu being the only 225 you fight in the game
I have never thought of why Red was alone at the top of a mountain. Child me just thought "oh, of course, strong people live in the mountains, got it" as if that was extremely logical
This actually makes so much sense!!! another well crafted theory and again, being by the locations that inspire the pokemon world just add so much more quality to the video!!
Actually it’s pretty simple, after Gen 1 red had traveled all around kanto and now he basically was on another adventure in that 3 year time period in this case he went through johto, so being that mt silver was the highest point because I do believe it’s mt fuji in real life he had climbed to the top and truly was a man and legendary trainer. As for green, green was continuing research with his grandpa while still traveling and doing his own thing as a gym leader not to far, from pallet town.
probably to train. Since Mt Silver is the only good place to train your pokemon against wild pokemon aside from Cerulean Cave. And maybe he was waiting for that one trainer to be strong enough to reach Mt Silver so he battle them and truly test out his pokemon.
Toby, I've got to say that in my eyes, you are the king of Pokemon theories. This one makes perfect sense and I love how well it ties into your past theory on Mewtwo. Keep up the good work. ❤
Great video as always Toby, your videos remind me of the wonder that the Pokémon world has that drew me to the franchise. Thank for all you have done Pokémon master!
I’ve always wanted to go to Japan! But are there guides who’d help you get map your routes? I’d find it complicated since English isn’t a common foreign language to them. All I know are common “anime,” Japanese which I know won’t help me much. Also, I loved this video, Toby. Cheers.
I like the mew theory and I think it checks out. I used to think he was up there because he was waiting for a worthy challenger. But I don’t think he found Mew I think he passed the torch to you since you defeated him or he decided Mew is not showing up and went somewhere else.
what always confused me and made absolutely no sense is the generation 1 pokedex regarding mew and mewtwo. mewtwo being the resurrected and modified fossil of mew, meaning that mew came first, is number 150. and mew (remember, who came first) is number 151.
My head Canon is that Blue started a hate campaign claiming red killed his radicate, beat him moments after becoming champion so and so, thus red got depressed and sought seclusion atop the mountain with his loyal pokemon
Red is diagnosed with PSIS. Player Self-Insert Syndrome affects many, including Red, Link and Doom Slayer, and prevents them from speaking and having personal opinions outside of the narrative they're forced into. But one version of Link was cured of PSIS, and to that he says "Well exuuuuuuuuse me, princess!"
Nice video Birdy Keeper Tobi. I like the theory of Professor Oak sending Red to Mt.Silver to find Mew and keep it safe. Mt. Silver is one of my favorite places in Johto since it represents overcoming adversity and ultimate strength. I would like to see Kanto get a Pokémon Legends game that focuses on Mew and Mewtwo where you are a young Pokemon trainer going on a expedition with Mr.Fuji to find Mew and create Mewtwo. It could explore more of Team Rocket’s history in Kanto, Mew’s history and Mr.Fuji’s reason for creating Mewtwo.
... but MewTwo was created by Team Rocket (or by scientists influenced by mafia money for the purposes of making the "Ultimate" Pokémon/Weapon). So it'd make literally no sense to create a MewTwo in the Ye Olde times of Kanto when the tech simply did not exist. Hell, Professor Oak even mentions that Poké Balls didn't exist until he was well into his adult years. They had to use Apricorns to catch 'mons. Which wasn't all that reliable in the first place. AND were rare outside of Johto. Otherwise, I would agree to that. I'd enjoy exploring Kanto's lore and history since it was my first set of Pokémon games (yes, I'm old, sue me- in fact, I'm not much older than the Franchise).
i honestly think my theory is he became so strong that instead of sharpening his skills on Mt.Silver, he just stood there rusting his skills just because no one was on his level so if he stopped training, someone could give him a decent challenge
If you’ve ever lost a friend in a fight or disagreement, or had a major upset when you thought you were making serious progress, the illusion of doing well in either situation is shattered. Sometimes that’s hard to recover from without going all scorched earth. That could be a reason he sought to get away and be alone so that he wouldn’t destroy anything else he cares about. This happens to a lot of us ENFP guys
Fellow ENFP here man, and I'm sorry if you've found yourself in that kind of situation. Blanket forting for a while is good to recoup, but remember, we're the dreamers of the world, we've got to learn to be at peace with ourselves so peace with the world around us can follow. Don't lose that bright spirit man, you've absolutely got this!
@@TomoFoxFoxington someone understands 🥲 I’m trying to not be intimated by the future and not be jaded about the past. But the urge to hide away alone on the mountain is reoccurring
My theory : after he defeated the Kanto league Red wanted to continue his adventure to region beside (Jotho) but he took th÷ wrong way (impossible to get to Jotho from there) and he was lost on the silver mount for 3 years he got crazy so much time without human contacts and trained his pokemon team just to kill time ...
I don't think he was doing just one thing. We know that Red did finish the original Pokedex up to 150 by catching Mewtwo, but then we are able to find Mewtwo uncaptured in G/S/C and HG/SS which implies that Red didn't keep every Pokemon he captured and only held onto those that he held a special bond with. It's entirely possible that he was in fact on a mission to track down Mew to complete his Pokedex, but I think his more immediate intention was to train his team. He didn't know what it was he was in for whenever he did find number 151, and after encountering Mewtwo and other Legendaries he was probably all too aware that there was a possibility of this being his biggest challenge yet. Red's not one to be caught unprepared, he's one of the most skilled Pokemon trainers ever. Important to note is that you don't encounter him just anywhere, but specifically at the peak. He's standing around the area that you would probably be expecting to encounter a Legendary Pokemon, but I don't think there was ever one there to begin with, and I doubt that he came here to find one. Rather, I think he was looking for an extreme environment to train his team at. He knows his team is strong enough to take it, but he wants them stronger. Strong enough to handle anything that gets thrown at them. I strongly believe that Red's true passion is for his team to be the very best that ever was, and he's not content to let their strength be stagnant. When you speak to him, Red doesn't speak back. He says nothing at all. It's as though Red doesn't just see another person in front of him, he sees an opportunity to put the fruits of his training to the test. When he loses, he's likewise silent and simply walks off without a word. Almost as if he's off to find somewhere else to train, to grow his team even stronger. I've always imagined that he doesn't even speak during the fight itself, that his bond with his Pokemon is so powerful that through mere gestures and facial expressions they know exactly what his commands are and are completely in synch with him. He could very well be an anomaly of sorts; someone who seeks power, but not just for selfish purposes, and who's bond with his Pokemon is indisputable. He's the exact opposite of early game Silver, who is harsh and cruel to his Pokemon and releases those who are too weak for his standards. Red doesn't simply see his Pokemon as tools. They are his precious partners that he's been through thick and thin with. Perhaps Red might even be a kindred spirit of N, who cares about Pokemon more than people, but not to the extent of being villainous. I'd like to know what N's opinion of Red would be should the two ever cross paths one day. I imagine they'd be fast friends.
No, they wouldn't. Why? N wants to release every Pokémon, even after being betrayed by Ghetsis (Vote Ghetsis 2024! Props to whoever gets that reference) and try to befriend Pokémon the Au Naturale way. Red has precious partners that he CAPTURED. With Poké Balls. Red would also fight hard to keep his precious friends by his side while N would try his best to force Red to release them. Maybe they do share similarities, but in the end, they'd clash too.
@@MLPIceberg N's whole character development thing was learning to appreciate the bond between trainers and their Pokemon. By BW2 he's entirely over the whole "force people to release their pokemon" thing.
Since everyone else is sharing their theories: I've mentioned it elsewhere but I think its possible Red is simply there for training....after having lost his title of Champion. This is partially using info from the remakes, but Lance did get legitimately stronger than he used to be in the first games, obviously; but it might have been strong enough to have actually defeat Red in a challenge match. If Red had simply left, it would be stange that Blue didn't step into the empty slot, considering he did remain with the League to be a gym leader. And this is reflected in how Lance's team actually caps at higher levels than Blue's does in their rematch teams, it seems obvious Lance had at least become a stronger trainer than Blue at that point. Pair that with how Lance reminisces over entering the Hall of Fame as a proud moment for him and his claim that he's "the most powerful trainer" of the region despite normally bring a pretty humble character, and it paints the picture that he had actually earned that title, rather than be handed it by Red simply up and leaving. Plus it vaguely resembles a moment in the manga where Red is defeated by an E4 member after becoming Champion, though there its Bruno instead of the stronger Lance. And for Red this would mean he would go into training to become even stronger, to the point he's at the level we see him at on Mt Silver. But who comes by to battle him before he returns for any rematch: the player. And the player defeats him, showing there will always be even further to go, or maybe showing that you can grow even stronger venturing into the world out there, rather than holing up in one remote place away from everyone (would explain why he suddenly starts hanging out with his old friends again after that, despite disappearing for a year or two beforehand).
I think that Red thought that he was on the end of his journey but then when he made it to the top of Mt. Silver he saw how big the pokemon world really was and realised that he never caught all the pkmn in the world and so stood there looking into the horizon. "..."
so a small little theory of my own ive thought about was that oak may have been the one that originally discovered mew up in the mountains when he was a trainer and thats why mew gets spotted in pallet town bc mew took an interest in him and thats explains why you need permission to go to the mountains by oak since thats where he found mew in the first place and oak eventually deems red worthy of catching/protecting mew thats why i think red is on mount silver
Red was on mount silver thematically. He represented the “pinnacle” of Pokémon trainers. When you battled red it was symbolic. You had literally and figuratively reached the top of the mountain.
My favorite theory has to do with professor oak he told red to go there in order to train and what not after you know beating kanto and johto OAK os also the one who gives you the pokedex in gen 2 and starts your journey and is also the one that tells you about mt silver and the powerful trainer there oak also opens the way for you by letting the officer know to let you past ITS ALL PROFESSOR OAK
i like the theory that red is on mt. silver not to tarin but to dull down his skill as a trainer so that way he could have a evenly matched battle someday and finally feel the joy of battling again.
My own theory lies literally under Mount Silver, because in the Gen2 games, Mount Silver is the location where you can catch one of the legendary birds instead of its Gen1 location. So I figured that Red might be after the bird looking for it from Mount Silver where it was last seen, but Red don't know that Ethan, Crystal or Lyra will catch it first.
Hoooo boy. This is an absolute stretch. Oak's permission being required reflects on how climbing Mt. Fuji is dangerous. Red is in Mt. Silver because it is dangerous and poses a challenge for him to further his own journey. He has Espeon because it represents the Eevee you obtain in Celadon City, only it evolved through the power of friendship. Literally nothing about Red being in Mt. Silver has anything to do with Mew. And the reason why Mew's entry comes after Mewtwo is because information about Mew was recorded after Mewtwo, since Mew was considered to no longer exist.
I still like the idea from the Fire Red Rocket Version rom hack that Red was banished to Mt. Silver. Too much info to get into the reason that he was sent there, so you’d have to play the hack to understand why. It’s my favorite rom hack that I’ve ever played, and I’d highly recommend it!
I don't think the Red from Pokémon Origins is the same Red from the games. Official artwork by Ken Sugimori shows Red having a Bulbasaur or a Pikachu as their starter. Origins Red has a Charizard. Origins Red is very temperamental. The Red from the games is quiet and reserved.
My headcanon at the moment is that Mt Silver has a secret similar to Spear Pillar and we'll find out more about it in a Pokémon legends game set in Johto
I remember a theory I heard from back in the day is that red died from hypothermia on the top of mount silver and you battling him sends him to the after life
I wonder why Red didn’t even show up when team rocket came back, maybe he was about too but overheard that Gold/Ethan was taking care of Team Rocket from the radio, hell even Lance showed up
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Red: you can't defeat me Gold: *hearing lance's words* "you don't get to become champion of the pokemon league without knowing how to spam full restores." Gold: "right"
Maybe he liked that Mewtwo was just standing in a cave slowly starving and, not one to be outdone, Red went to cave that was higher up to starve even faster
Red is on Mt. Silver to heal an injury inflicted by Loralei. The Espeon on his team is the one that he rescued from the Rocket experiments. Iirc, it can change to the main trio of Eeveelutions on a whim, albeit very painfully. It evolves into Espeon, which cures it of the affliction that the Rocket Experiments did to it. I don't know why this is still being theorized, when it's simply a nod to the Manga.
sorry to break it to you but the map of Hisui in LA (Gameplay map not the artwork map) confirms Sinnoh is an island like Hokkaido and not connected to Kanjoh.
As a kid I thought it was a sneaky shout to pokemon adventures. As and adult I realised but the time red went to heal his hands in Mount silver in the manga ruby and sapphire where dropping 😅
What if in an alternate timeline, Mew was the obtainable 150th Pokemon? That's found in Cerulean Cave. And if Mewtwo was the hidden 151st found only on Mt. Silver(accessed after showing Prof. Oak the completed Pokedex). How'd the first games have been like if they were made this way? And how well would they've been recieved?
My theory is red is at the mountain because of the creepy pasta where he’s called lost silver. Or is red making sure mew is safe and will be safe after catching them completing the Pokédex.
somw might think this as bad but to me this what I came up with, mew is just a motive or way for red to move forward. Yes mew is real and definitely out there, but as long as it roams red will always get stronger and move forward
Me personal theory is that Red was told by Sabrina that a trainer as strong as him would one day appear at Mt. Silver, so Red went to train there. This would make sense as Sabrina says in the games that she saw a vision of us but didn’t expect our power.
That also kind of aligns with her relationship with Red in the manga.
Good theory as well!
Good stuff!
this being the comment tells me this video isn’t going to give me a real answer, and that your answer is just as good as whatever this guy is gonna head canon
I believe the developers put him there as a surprise for loyal returning fans from gen 1 😂 it's as simple as that lol
My headcanon is quite simply that Red was not cut out to be the public figure that the championship title demanded. Once he was champion, there was no avoiding the attention, so he went to the only place that nobody else would reach him, at least for three years. Then some damn kid found him and ruined that hiding spot too.
I have an headcanon on what happen to the player charther in the gen 4 game up to pla where they get set to the past in Hisui
He’s just running away from having to do interviews since he hates talking
Revenge of the bird lady that gives you fly kekw (idr what she gives in gen 2 lol)
Imagine if you referred to Gold as "some damn punk" instead. 😂
Just like x from the xy manga
One funny theory that I really like on why Red is holed up in Mt. Silver is because of his Snorlax. It needs more food than one kid could feasibly deal with, so he lives in it's native mountain habitat where it can just feed itself.
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That's hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
Nah, when a pokemon is in its pokeball, they enter a pocket dimension that is like their own personal heaven.
@@mushroom11g55Voltorb's is just them constantly being mistaken for an item, shocking the person picking them up
I think that Red just grew bored after becoming champion. Having completing pokedex, defeated Team Rocket, and if you want consider events of Fire Red, he even fought Lugia, Ho-Oh and Deoxys but did not catch them.
Red was so powerful that he released the legendary birds, Mew and Mewtwo because it was no fun to use them in battle since they are too strong.
Also, Red is seen to have some kind of Power Thirst, as Oak said to Cynthia in pkm Masters: "Red is never satisfied with its own power"
So I would imagine he wants more challanges to grow stronger, that is why he go to the toughest place in Kanto and Johto to train not just his pokemon but probably himself in the wilderness.
I would imagine Red having a personality similar to Sung Jinwoo from Solo Leveling.
Isn't the area just around Red in Mt.Silver one of the only areas in the original games where you can catch a wild Pupitar?
Personally I think it's as simple as this: Red never stopped being himself, he's still on his own PkMn journey, and we're bumping into him while he's out there looking for a pupitar to eventually add Tyranitar to his team.
That and the fact that the strongest pokemon (level wise) are all around that location, being the end game. Red is there training because that's the most dangerous area he knows ATM.
In Gen 1, Oak mentions that the Pokedex writes itself. It's possible that Mew and Mewtwo were simply unaccounted for until Red encountered them, catching Mewtwo first followed by Mew. The previously-existing Pokemon could have had their orders defined by Oak or other researchers, since they were more well-known and better-documented.
In the manga, Red goes to Mt. Silver to recover in some special hot springs there, after having been frozen in ice for a long period of time. That never happened in the games, though, so that reason isn't relevant there. My personal theory is that he was looking for rare Pokemon (possibly Mew but idk), and/or maybe he released Moltres there recently (you can find Moltres in Mt. Silver in HGSS).
I like your Moltres theory. Always wondering how a literal bird covered in flames resides inside of a mountain that hails all year round. I always thought it’d make much more sense if they placed Arcticuno instead of Moltres - until i see this comment.
@@LakePlacidBearDamn... Red is dark to release a fire phoenix bird into a mountain of hail and snow.
@@theerealatm man is wearing short sport jackets and trainers in sheer cold. he needs something to warm himself up from time to time.
@@theerealatmwhen you think about it not really, he's kinda hooking up Moltres with an area where it can be an apex. So many ice pokemon.
@@WhenDevilsDuel true true
Forget Elsa bro is just wearing short sleeves in the middle of a mountain
i love how in the battle tree he just stands there lifelessly. my head cannon isn't that red is mute, but he has severe social anxiety and doesn't know how to act normal around other humans. which could explain why he is so good at pokemon training. he struggles to develop bonds with humans so he develops them with his pokemon.
I like this idea. Plus he has to talk to order his pokemon. Maybe it's just *easier* with them
Or he is a Pokémon, it was a theory from another TH-camr can't remember which one maybe hoops and hiphop? But they said that it makes sense for red to be a mew clone experiment which would be why oak treats red as his own child cause he did help create him lol
I like this as it makes him more relatable to me.
@@0127sasuke maybe he just has a telepathic link with his Pokémon from being so close with them
He is seen talking to the copycat girl
I’m personally subscribed to the theory that Red went there to look for Mew and also to make sure he’s ready to battle the challenger Sabrina told him about (Ethan/Kris or Lyra)
The manga outright says Red was on Mt Silver because he was healing an injury he got fighting the Elite Four.
Sabrina had the same injury and told him about the hot springs on top of Mt Silver that she used to heal in.
Red was training. Because the pokemon on Mt. Silver are very strong compared to other location on Johto and Kanto Region. Since he was the champion on both region, he got the access there so he won't let the chance slide. As for why he was disappear after the battle was most likely he knew what the Gold/Silver/Crystal MC is good enough as the champion, so he went to travel the world and to train his pokemon and challenge more strong trainer.
I don't think Red having an Espeon is a reference to manga Red's eevee; namely, because the reason manga Red's eevee evolved into Espeon was *because* he had an Espeon in GSC - it only appears as Espeon during the GSC arc, in the second or so volume no less, well after GSC was out. It's more likely to me that the Espeon (both in the games and manga) is meant to be the Celadon Mansion Eevee, which they evolved into one of the new GSC Eeveelutions to show off the mechanic.
Let's not forget that Nugget Bridge is where you can catch Mew. Which might explain why there's a Rocket recuter just hanging around there. He's actually waiting for a trainer to refuse hus offer, that would be a sign of a pure hearted person. Something required to see Mew.
Trueeeee
Um... no. Mew was secretly put into the game towards the end of development, (but never put in as a static or wild encouter) and the nugget bridge area is just the absolute EARLIEST you can glitch him into existence.
Touch grass, lmao.
@@Your_LastSurprise He got approval. You don't just do something like add an extra Pokemon without telling the boss. They just didn't expect anybody to actually find it. *_THAT'S_* what made it a secret. I work outdoors. I touch grass at least 5 days a week.
@@timwoods2852 But you still have to use a glitch that nobody knew about for nearly 20 years to access Mew that early. A glitch. Sure, Mew was approved. But think about this. They had to cut so much of the game so the rest would fit on the already dated cartridge Nintendo was dead set on using. Mew was unfortunately one of the cuts. That or they planned near the end to make it an Event Only Pokémon. Either way, it does not change the fact that the other guy was right, despite being a "Tough Guy" Know-it-all loser.
Your theory is also wrong I hate to say it. There's no hint of Mew even hoping to find or "test" anyone pure of heart anywhere in Kanto. How do I know this? Simple. Despite having access to the game's sloppy excuse for code, not one person has found anything that points to Mew being an in-game event of any kind or even looking for "Pure Hearts". There's no text on Mew even existing outside of the Manor in Cinnabar Island (Unless I'm forgetting another source in-game?). Even then, it's all so vague, you can't really make out what Mew is supposed to be (assuming you're the trainer that finds the old text in the manor and not the irl person that either waited 30 years for answers or figured it out like a Noir Film detective). Of course, I hope I'm not missing context here, because if I am, then I'll look like an ass next.
@@Your_LastSurpriseno reason to insult the guy for no reason
Worth mentioning in the manga that red was sent to the peaks of the mountain to heal from being petrified. Not that there's anything to assume the one in the games was gravely injured, but still. Still the manga reflects the games very frequently.
I remember when Guyana was mentioned back in the day as the habitat of Mew. My whole family is from Guyana, so I was surprised to hear them mention Guyana since most people have never heard of it 😅 My friends and I still laugh about how Guyana is technically a canon part of the Pokémon world (though it’ll probably get retconned if it hasn’t already).
In OG red, blue and fire red and leaf green, Guyana was noted in one of the diaries in the Pokemon mansion but that line of text was cut out in the let's GO games so the retcon was fairly recent
Mew is from 🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾 😁
I vividly remembered this too - but instead of Guyana, it’s a tiny island amongst the archipelago somewhere near the South American continent.
In Pokemon games, one of the only way you could encounter a wild Mew was on Faraway Island in Emerald too. It’d be so interesting to see how Brendan/ May sailed all the way from Japan, across the freaking Pacific Ocean to Guyana. xD
My Mum's side is guyanese also and I thought Mews origin from there was interesting too!
Same with the Monster Hunter series - they found much inspiration for games from Guyana.
One more time for the others in the back!!!
I personally headcanon it's because he was overwhelmed from the fame he received as champion and just wanted to live peacefully. Just like Pedro Araujo's series on him.
Lmfao I can support that reason I hate interacting with people
I am having a blast with these latest videos and theories about the earlier generations. I missed these kinds of old school theories. And they are new and fresh as well. Keep up the great work Toby.
Yeah, I don't mind theory videos. It can help promote healthy discussion and speculation on the franchise in one way or another. What I don't like is some CCs (Toby included sometimes) like to make these theories into fact where there's nothing supporting it as such (Not saying he did it here, only in a few previous videos). But I guess you gotta make that money somehow when you trap yourself as an Exclusive Pokémon TH-camr... even if that means lying to people.
I just want to say that the funniest reason why Red would be on Mt. Silver is that is the only place he could feed his snorlax.
Had another pokemon dream, Pokemon Legends: Path of Ash. In the "dream" game you followed an approximate of Ash's journey through all the regions needing to get the badges from each to enter the master league and eventually fight an adult Ash Ketchum after a mix of other anime protagonists in 6v6 matches, with pokemon being able to level to 225 and Ash's Pikachu being the only 225 you fight in the game
I have never thought of why Red was alone at the top of a mountain. Child me just thought "oh, of course, strong people live in the mountains, got it" as if that was extremely logical
This actually makes so much sense!!! another well crafted theory and again, being by the locations that inspire the pokemon world just add so much more quality to the video!!
Actually it’s pretty simple, after Gen 1 red had traveled all around kanto and now he basically was on another adventure in that 3 year time period in this case he went through johto, so being that mt silver was the highest point because I do believe it’s mt fuji in real life he had climbed to the top and truly was a man and legendary trainer. As for green, green was continuing research with his grandpa while still traveling and doing his own thing as a gym leader not to far, from pallet town.
green is the japanese name...
are you japanese?
probably to train. Since Mt Silver is the only good place to train your pokemon against wild pokemon aside from Cerulean Cave. And maybe he was waiting for that one trainer to be strong enough to reach Mt Silver so he battle them and truly test out his pokemon.
Why was that goofball on top of Mt. Silver without a parka???
I love this video. It's stuff like this that keeps me wondering if Pokemon was intended to be a much deeper, complex, and almost darker story.
Toby, I've got to say that in my eyes, you are the king of Pokemon theories. This one makes perfect sense and I love how well it ties into your past theory on Mewtwo. Keep up the good work. ❤
awww thnak you
Great video as always Toby, your videos remind me of the wonder that the Pokémon world has that drew me to the franchise. Thank for all you have done Pokémon master!
In the 8th movie - Lucario and the Mystery of Mew - Mew inhabits a Tree which is to the uncharted north of Pewter.
Close to Rota city right?
oh TRUE!
Thank you so much Discovi!
I’ve always wanted to go to Japan! But are there guides who’d help you get map your routes? I’d find it complicated since English isn’t a common foreign language to them. All I know are common “anime,” Japanese which I know won’t help me much. Also, I loved this video, Toby. Cheers.
@@Levi_Heicho There are and actually in Tokyo pleanty of people spoke english so it was very easy to get around
I like the mew theory and I think it checks out. I used to think he was up there because he was waiting for a worthy challenger. But I don’t think he found Mew I think he passed the torch to you since you defeated him or he decided Mew is not showing up and went somewhere else.
Red’s mom is getting her cheeks clapped by Mr. Mime.
💀man what
The answer is simple:
That place has hail, it's because so Blastoise and Lapras can have 100% accurate Blizzard.
what always confused me and made absolutely no sense is the generation 1 pokedex regarding mew and mewtwo. mewtwo being the resurrected and modified fossil of mew, meaning that mew came first, is number 150. and mew (remember, who came first) is number 151.
My head Canon is that Blue started a hate campaign claiming red killed his radicate, beat him moments after becoming champion so and so, thus red got depressed and sought seclusion atop the mountain with his loyal pokemon
Red is diagnosed with PSIS. Player Self-Insert Syndrome affects many, including Red, Link and Doom Slayer, and prevents them from speaking and having personal opinions outside of the narrative they're forced into. But one version of Link was cured of PSIS, and to that he says "Well exuuuuuuuuse me, princess!"
Easy, mountains are awesome! A great place to sit and reflect when you’ve done all there is to do.
Nice video Birdy Keeper Tobi. I like the theory of Professor Oak sending Red to Mt.Silver to find Mew and keep it safe. Mt. Silver is one of my favorite places in Johto since it represents overcoming adversity and ultimate strength. I would like to see Kanto get a Pokémon Legends game that focuses on Mew and Mewtwo where you are a young Pokemon trainer going on a expedition with Mr.Fuji to find Mew and create Mewtwo. It could explore more of Team Rocket’s history in Kanto, Mew’s history and Mr.Fuji’s reason for creating Mewtwo.
That’s a great idea for a Legends mew game. I’d buy that in a heartbeat
... but MewTwo was created by Team Rocket (or by scientists influenced by mafia money for the purposes of making the "Ultimate" Pokémon/Weapon). So it'd make literally no sense to create a MewTwo in the Ye Olde times of Kanto when the tech simply did not exist. Hell, Professor Oak even mentions that Poké Balls didn't exist until he was well into his adult years. They had to use Apricorns to catch 'mons. Which wasn't all that reliable in the first place. AND were rare outside of Johto.
Otherwise, I would agree to that. I'd enjoy exploring Kanto's lore and history since it was my first set of Pokémon games (yes, I'm old, sue me- in fact, I'm not much older than the Franchise).
i honestly think my theory is he became so strong that instead of sharpening his skills on Mt.Silver, he just stood there rusting his skills just because no one was on his level so if he stopped training, someone could give him a decent challenge
nice theory mate!
If you’ve ever lost a friend in a fight or disagreement, or had a major upset when you thought you were making serious progress, the illusion of doing well in either situation is shattered. Sometimes that’s hard to recover from without going all scorched earth. That could be a reason he sought to get away and be alone so that he wouldn’t destroy anything else he cares about. This happens to a lot of us ENFP guys
Fellow ENFP here man, and I'm sorry if you've found yourself in that kind of situation. Blanket forting for a while is good to recoup, but remember, we're the dreamers of the world, we've got to learn to be at peace with ourselves so peace with the world around us can follow. Don't lose that bright spirit man, you've absolutely got this!
@@TomoFoxFoxington someone understands 🥲
I’m trying to not be intimated by the future and not be jaded about the past. But the urge to hide away alone on the mountain is reoccurring
My theory : after he defeated the Kanto league Red wanted to continue his adventure to region beside (Jotho) but he took th÷ wrong way (impossible to get to Jotho from there) and he was lost on the silver mount for 3 years he got crazy so much time without human contacts and trained his pokemon team just to kill time ...
I don't think he was doing just one thing. We know that Red did finish the original Pokedex up to 150 by catching Mewtwo, but then we are able to find Mewtwo uncaptured in G/S/C and HG/SS which implies that Red didn't keep every Pokemon he captured and only held onto those that he held a special bond with. It's entirely possible that he was in fact on a mission to track down Mew to complete his Pokedex, but I think his more immediate intention was to train his team. He didn't know what it was he was in for whenever he did find number 151, and after encountering Mewtwo and other Legendaries he was probably all too aware that there was a possibility of this being his biggest challenge yet. Red's not one to be caught unprepared, he's one of the most skilled Pokemon trainers ever.
Important to note is that you don't encounter him just anywhere, but specifically at the peak. He's standing around the area that you would probably be expecting to encounter a Legendary Pokemon, but I don't think there was ever one there to begin with, and I doubt that he came here to find one. Rather, I think he was looking for an extreme environment to train his team at. He knows his team is strong enough to take it, but he wants them stronger. Strong enough to handle anything that gets thrown at them. I strongly believe that Red's true passion is for his team to be the very best that ever was, and he's not content to let their strength be stagnant. When you speak to him, Red doesn't speak back. He says nothing at all. It's as though Red doesn't just see another person in front of him, he sees an opportunity to put the fruits of his training to the test. When he loses, he's likewise silent and simply walks off without a word. Almost as if he's off to find somewhere else to train, to grow his team even stronger.
I've always imagined that he doesn't even speak during the fight itself, that his bond with his Pokemon is so powerful that through mere gestures and facial expressions they know exactly what his commands are and are completely in synch with him. He could very well be an anomaly of sorts; someone who seeks power, but not just for selfish purposes, and who's bond with his Pokemon is indisputable. He's the exact opposite of early game Silver, who is harsh and cruel to his Pokemon and releases those who are too weak for his standards. Red doesn't simply see his Pokemon as tools. They are his precious partners that he's been through thick and thin with. Perhaps Red might even be a kindred spirit of N, who cares about Pokemon more than people, but not to the extent of being villainous. I'd like to know what N's opinion of Red would be should the two ever cross paths one day. I imagine they'd be fast friends.
No, they wouldn't. Why? N wants to release every Pokémon, even after being betrayed by Ghetsis (Vote Ghetsis 2024! Props to whoever gets that reference) and try to befriend Pokémon the Au Naturale way. Red has precious partners that he CAPTURED. With Poké Balls. Red would also fight hard to keep his precious friends by his side while N would try his best to force Red to release them. Maybe they do share similarities, but in the end, they'd clash too.
@@MLPIceberg N's whole character development thing was learning to appreciate the bond between trainers and their Pokemon. By BW2 he's entirely over the whole "force people to release their pokemon" thing.
Since everyone else is sharing their theories: I've mentioned it elsewhere but I think its possible Red is simply there for training....after having lost his title of Champion.
This is partially using info from the remakes, but Lance did get legitimately stronger than he used to be in the first games, obviously; but it might have been strong enough to have actually defeat Red in a challenge match. If Red had simply left, it would be stange that Blue didn't step into the empty slot, considering he did remain with the League to be a gym leader. And this is reflected in how Lance's team actually caps at higher levels than Blue's does in their rematch teams, it seems obvious Lance had at least become a stronger trainer than Blue at that point.
Pair that with how Lance reminisces over entering the Hall of Fame as a proud moment for him and his claim that he's "the most powerful trainer" of the region despite normally bring a pretty humble character, and it paints the picture that he had actually earned that title, rather than be handed it by Red simply up and leaving.
Plus it vaguely resembles a moment in the manga where Red is defeated by an E4 member after becoming Champion, though there its Bruno instead of the stronger Lance.
And for Red this would mean he would go into training to become even stronger, to the point he's at the level we see him at on Mt Silver. But who comes by to battle him before he returns for any rematch: the player. And the player defeats him, showing there will always be even further to go, or maybe showing that you can grow even stronger venturing into the world out there, rather than holing up in one remote place away from everyone (would explain why he suddenly starts hanging out with his old friends again after that, despite disappearing for a year or two beforehand).
I think that Red thought that he was on the end of his journey but then when he made it to the top of Mt. Silver he saw how big the pokemon world really was and realised that he never caught all the pkmn in the world and so stood there looking into the horizon. "..."
nice theory mate!
so a small little theory of my own ive thought about was that oak may have been the one that originally discovered mew up in the mountains when he was a trainer and thats why mew gets spotted in pallet town bc mew took an interest in him and thats explains why you need permission to go to the mountains by oak since thats where he found mew in the first place and oak eventually deems red worthy of catching/protecting mew thats why i think red is on mount silver
Maaan would have been cooler if they gave Oak a Celebi in Masters.
Ah well, maybe that tribute would be in a variant.
Red left for Mount Silver to become the greatest challenge for those who manage to win the Pokémon League.🏆🏆
Just to say it's nice to see you visiting places in Japan that were inspired by the world of Pokémon. Always find Mt Silver fascinating too.
Red was on mount silver thematically. He represented the “pinnacle” of Pokémon trainers. When you battled red it was symbolic. You had literally and figuratively reached the top of the mountain.
My favorite theory has to do with professor oak he told red to go there in order to train and what not after you know beating kanto and johto OAK os also the one who gives you the pokedex in gen 2 and starts your journey and is also the one that tells you about mt silver and the powerful trainer there oak also opens the way for you by letting the officer know to let you past ITS ALL PROFESSOR OAK
i like the theory that red is on mt. silver not to tarin but to dull down his skill as a trainer so that way he could have a evenly matched battle someday and finally feel the joy of battling again.
My own theory lies literally under Mount Silver, because in the Gen2 games, Mount Silver is the location where you can catch one of the legendary birds instead of its Gen1 location. So I figured that Red might be after the bird looking for it from Mount Silver where it was last seen, but Red don't know that Ethan, Crystal or Lyra will catch it first.
In the first movie, Mew is seen flying towards a large mountain, very likely Mt. SIlver. Mewtwo also has this memory in the movie.
Hoooo boy. This is an absolute stretch.
Oak's permission being required reflects on how climbing Mt. Fuji is dangerous. Red is in Mt. Silver because it is dangerous and poses a challenge for him to further his own journey. He has Espeon because it represents the Eevee you obtain in Celadon City, only it evolved through the power of friendship.
Literally nothing about Red being in Mt. Silver has anything to do with Mew. And the reason why Mew's entry comes after Mewtwo is because information about Mew was recorded after Mewtwo, since Mew was considered to no longer exist.
I still like the idea from the Fire Red Rocket Version rom hack that Red was banished to Mt. Silver. Too much info to get into the reason that he was sent there, so you’d have to play the hack to understand why. It’s my favorite rom hack that I’ve ever played, and I’d highly recommend it!
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In the manga he’s there because there are hot springs that are special, to fight Pryce and his magic ice with.
Love your videos man!
Glad you’re still uploading pokemon videos!
I don't think the Red from Pokémon Origins is the same Red from the games. Official artwork by Ken Sugimori shows Red having a Bulbasaur or a Pikachu as their starter. Origins Red has a Charizard. Origins Red is very temperamental. The Red from the games is quiet and reserved.
For sure, but they went on almost identical journeys so I'm happy to mis in some cross universe evidence
The reason Red's Eevee evolved to Espeon between Gen 1 and Gen 2, is because there's no night cycle in Gen 1 😂
You should totally do another Pokémon world map now that there are more regions and locations, would love to see one an update
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According to Pokemon Infinite Fusion, Red had just fought a triple fusion god Pokémon and was sent forward in time like 3 years.
U forgot about pokemon journeys . Mew in pallet town once again . Appears to Go tho.
He went up there because he wanted to be there. There is no reason why he wanted to be there, he just wanted to be there, so he went there
Bro, a pokemon battle between gold and red in a lonely snow storm with memory reboot playing would be siiiiickkkk
I thought red was up there because of the events of the manga
The reason why Red didn’t say anything because up there for so long that he couldn’t speak due to the cold weather
My headcanon at the moment is that Mt Silver has a secret similar to Spear Pillar and we'll find out more about it in a Pokémon legends game set in Johto
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Devs: Just put Red on Mt. Silver for shits n giggles
Wow man, you have aged pretty well since i saw your first video several years ago. Can’t believe how long you been making videos
Awh thanks ^_^
I remember a theory I heard from back in the day is that red died from hypothermia on the top of mount silver and you battling him sends him to the after life
I wonder why Red didn’t even show up when team rocket came back, maybe he was about too but overheard that Gold/Ethan was taking care of Team Rocket from the radio, hell even Lance showed up
Bro you helped me get hyped for pokemon lore
I almost not recognized you with long hair instead of the haircutt you had before 😅
But you picked 2 Hairstyles that really fits your sympathic Smile
Thank you for still making Videos stay happy and healthy and catch em all (pokemon) 😅😀
7aw dude thank you for watching them :D :legend and thanks for the kind words
There was also the pokemon movie lucario and the mystery of Mew. The kindom that the movie takes place in is in the northern mountain region of Kanto
It was so good, man! Never thought I'd be that old man reminiscent, but here I am
Such a fire video. Thank you for the analysis
Red: you can't defeat me
Gold: *hearing lance's words* "you don't get to become champion of the pokemon league without knowing how to spam full restores."
Gold: "right"
Such a cool video! Discovi looks awesome and i can't wait to book with them!
Maybe he liked that Mewtwo was just standing in a cave slowly starving and, not one to be outdone, Red went to cave that was higher up to starve even faster
Even though it's a fangame, Pokemon Infinite Fusions has my favorite reason for Red being in Mt. Silver.
Red caught the Snorlax on route 16. It makes more sense bcus the one on Route 12 is still in the same general area as it was in Gen 1.
Red is on Mt. Silver to heal an injury inflicted by Loralei.
The Espeon on his team is the one that he rescued from the Rocket experiments. Iirc, it can change to the main trio of Eeveelutions on a whim, albeit very painfully. It evolves into Espeon, which cures it of the affliction that the Rocket Experiments did to it.
I don't know why this is still being theorized, when it's simply a nod to the Manga.
Maybe red wanted to become the Old Man of the mountain and start his own order of assassins.
sorry to break it to you but the map of Hisui in LA (Gameplay map not the artwork map) confirms Sinnoh is an island like Hokkaido and not connected to Kanjoh.
I just double check this and that's not right. In every depiction the land keeps heading south out of view
@@BirdKeeperToby it's cut off in-game, but Bulbapedia has the full image
I like the how Red and prof. Oak were displayed on the FR rom hack rocket edition, gives a whole new dimension to the kanto region 😂
Love this informative Pokémon video birdkeeper Toby.
As a kid I thought it was a sneaky shout to pokemon adventures. As and adult I realised but the time red went to heal his hands in Mount silver in the manga ruby and sapphire where dropping 😅
What if in an alternate timeline, Mew was the obtainable 150th Pokemon? That's found in Cerulean Cave. And if Mewtwo was the hidden 151st found only on Mt. Silver(accessed after showing Prof. Oak the completed Pokedex). How'd the first games have been like if they were made this way? And how well would they've been recieved?
My theory is red is at the mountain because of the creepy pasta where he’s called lost silver. Or is red making sure mew is safe and will be safe after catching them completing the Pokédex.
Where is your source for this image? I cant seem to find it at all, so its hard to follow.
Wish we see a Red vs Gold in anime one day. Maybe even a tournament with Blue, Green, Silver etc too
2:38 caption this without context
I'll go first 😂
"Yeah this is my boyfriend!"
"Excuse me what in the actual f-"
somw might think this as bad but to me this what I came up with, mew is just a motive or way for red to move forward. Yes mew is real and definitely out there, but as long as it roams red will always get stronger and move forward
A theory my sister has is Red is training Mewtwo there without him hurting people.
Thank you so much for all videos you made. You are one of my absolutely best youtubers ever. :)
Jsi borec. Mám moc rád tvoji tvorbu. Zdraví Nogy.
Red waiting to crush us on top of Mt. Silver is peak Pokémon.
7:24 is this a real map? The sinnoh region is north of kanto and johto? Or is this based off japan irl
My 12 year old mind damn near melted when Red appeared.
Like IM FIGHTING MYSELF?!?!?
This is your best theory yet
There are meow 3 in pokmon??
I really wanted Ryan Reynolds’s character to be grown up Red in Detective Pikachu