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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Finally I had the chance to ride the White Rim Trail in Moab, something which I had on my bucket list for so many years. I was very happy that my wife joined me on this trip. So we rode the White Rim Trail, Chicken Corners, Onion Creek and Long Canyon Road two up with my Africa Twin. Beside that I rode a bit at the Slickrock Mountainbike Trail and at Fins and Things. So much fun !!!
Hope my video gives you all a good idea how wonderful adventure travel on a big bike is.
Wow! Best two up riding I've ever seen!! I'd be nervous doing that on my own. 2up is insane!!. Great job
Thank you !!! Your comment made my day :-)
Absolutely outstanding riding, considering being two up 👏👏👏👌
Thank you so much Stephen !!!
I tip my hat for you guys, 2up through the sand, that takes skill, thanks for sharing
Thank you for your nice comment !!! The main problem with deep sand when riding 2up is the additional weight on the front tire. So you need to try to keep it floating on top of the sand and reducing the tire pressure is not really an option with all the extra weight you carry with you.
Man you got big balls!!! Awesome job!!
Thank you Chad. Maybe my wife has even bigger balls, because I would not be brave enough to sit on the back of a motorcycle when someone rides it offroad. lol.
Well done 2up.
Thank you Matt !!!
Nice work in the deep soft sand while 2 up!
Thank you Tyler !!! Yes the deep sand is not easy 2up. I also didn't air down the tires which makes a big difference in the sand but I was to lazy to do that.
@@swegotech8466 I just got back from riding white rim on my AT last week! Definitely a few sections that would have been challenging 2up with panniers on! Keep the vids coming!
Amazing Scenery!That natural rock bridge is amazing!Subscribed!
Thank you so much !!!
excellent ride, outstanding soundtrack
Thank you :-)
I can not believe u did that 2 up on an adventure bike.., Very, Very impressive.,!! 5 of us did it last yr the first week in May on Ktm 500’s.., nice time of year to go to Moab.., It was very nerve wracking at times.., even on them bikes, which is why there’s no way I could take my wife on an adventure bike., it’s an unbelievable ride around there though…
Thank you Stephen for your nice comment, this made my day :-) Yes the White Rim trail is such a wonderful ride. You're right, I also think that for most people a smaller bike like your KTM 500 will give them a better experience on those trails. With the bigger adventure bikes, momentum is king to make it up those hills, especially when riding 2up and there is not much room for any rider mistake. A few times I was in a situation that I would have loved to stop and take a picture, but I knew I had to keep going, because it would be a bad idea to stop in the middle of that hill with a heavy bike. lol.
Our trip was in September and while in general it was nice, on the White Rim trail it got a bit too hot for my wife (temperatures went up to 100F 38C down by there river and there is zero shade for 7 hours). When you are not used to the heat or are not in perfect shape, this can get exhausting. I also would think that May should be perfect for this trip. However, you need to check on the National park website if the trail is open at that time. Sometimes the river water level gets too high when the snow starts melting in the mountains, so then the trail is not a loop anymore and you need to ride back.
fantastic landscapes..
Absolutely brilliant video...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you Shane for your nice comment :-)
Great riding! Excellent footage
Thank you :-)
Great video, awesome riding skills, and my respects to your wife for taking part of this off road dance
Cheers!
Thank you !!! :-) Yes, I still can't belive that my wife joins me on those trips. I would not be brave enough to sit on the backseat of a motorcycle on a trail like that 😆
Wow! Great riding and great scenery. Love the vid..
Thank you !!! :-)
Great video - love Moab - the grip is amazing, but then loosing it on a 500lb bike in the sandy transitions from one rock area to another was a real challenge for me back in Spring 2017 on my AT. Heading back this Oct subject Can / US border opening on XT250's to hit the more technical trails. Good for you getting out and about in Moab 2 up on the AT!!!!
Sean, you are right. The transition when riding down a rock into the sand is the hardest part of riding a 500lbs bike there because you have even more weight on the small front tire in that moment. Reducing the tire pressure might help you there a lot (didn't try it because I had no time to use my compressor). Like you said, Moab area is amazing for riding motorcycles. And sure a XT250 will be even more fun there for most riders. It all depends on how you get there. For us the ride from Vegas to Moab was also a lot of fun, so I left my truck at home and took the big adventure bike instead. But for sure this limited my choices of trail I can ride a bit.
We did that trail a couple of years ago in a rented Jeep. This has convinced me to take my other half on our KTM 1290 SA this year. Was nice having air conditioning, but I'd rather be on a bike. Nice footage. 👍
Thank you :-) It belive it be fun to ride 2up on the 1290 which is a great bike for this (I rode the 1290R offroad, but never 2up).
Wow dude you got skills I just come from there last month went on white rim trail and working on the footage as we speak, got caught almost at the end of the white trim in heavy downpour, could make the last ascent and had to go all the way back. You got a new sub.
Thank you :-) The White Rim Trail is super fun, but I can imagine that when it starts to rain a lot you can get in real trouble there (flash floods).
One of my favorite places on this planet. Great riding and the sneakers were a nice touch!! 👍👍👍. Happy New Year from Patagonia, Chile.
Yes it is amazing !!! Hahaha, I never wanted to ride with sneakers there. On that day we only wanted to go hiking a bit before we ride back and my boots were also still wet from the water crossings the day before. That's why I was wearing sneakers. Suddenly I had the "amazing" idea to check out a cool photo location I have seen on the internet, but I thought it will be a super easy gravel road. It wasn't lol.
Everything about your video was very impressive. I've been to Moab 3 times. This time i'm returning on a Yamaha TW200. Plan to do a lot of what you did in your video. Great job. Your wife is a real sport for joining you.
Thank you :-) Yes Moab is awesome. On a TW200 you can ride trails which I can't on the big bike... maybe for the White Rim Trail you will need to take some extra fuel with you on that TW200. You will enoy this trail a lot. Also I can imagine that Slick Rock would be super fun on a smaller bike (it was even fun on the Africa Twin).
@@swegotech8466 Thank you Swen. I agree, I'll need extra gas for sure. they do have small tanks (unfortunately). yes plan on doing Slick Rock Trail as well. On a personal note.... are you from Sweden? Did you bring your bike and travel to Moab, all the way from Sweden. Thats amazing if you did. Your a damn good operator on that big bike.
@@hikethisplanet1017 No I am German with a swedish name :-) I moved to Las Vegas a couple of years ago.
1st trail was the Burr trail down into Waterpocket fold... Nice video thanks for putting it out... Try Elephant Hill sometime, it makes the White Rim look easy....
Thanks for recommending me to try Elephant Hill. But I do these longer trips always together with my wife and I do not think that I am able to ride Elephant Hill 2up. I've seen there are some really high setps/stairs in the rock and 2up the ground clearance will be really an issue I guess. So I think White Rim trail was close to the limit of what I can ride 2up, I am not brave enough to try much harder trails with my wife on the back of the bike (can't risk a divorce here. lol)
Well done
Thank you :-)
Superb
Glad to hear she likes it. There is definitely some safer ways to go about it but I didn’t hear her screaming. I’d love to hang up my life long Mx boots and closed circuit courses and do this soon, not sure mine will like even forest roads though.
She’s a hottie, keep her entertained! Be safe. Just remember, One bad fall might change her mind forever.
Thank you for your nice comment. It took her a while to get used to offroad riding on the back of the bike. Thankfully the engine is loud enought to block out all the screaming. lol. No, she is doing great, but when you watch the video you will notice that I start laughing when riding up Murphy Hogback
. The reson for this was, because I could hear her "praying" through the Intercom, which was super funny :-).
You are right that one bad fall might change her mind forever. So far I got a lot of trust from her, because she managed to crash her own motorcycle once so bad that she got a free helicopter flight because of it. So she feels more safe on the back than riding by her own now.
Could you tell me what the beautiful road is I see at 0:47? Did the WRT a few years ago on a big GS. Your riding there 2up is impressive.
Hi Sam, thank you for your nice comment :-)
The beautiful road you are looking for is called "Burr Trail Road". The part trought the Canyon is paved, later it becomes a gravel road with those awesome Burr Trail Switchbacks which you can see at the 1:23min mark in the video. So when you ever have the chance to ride this road you will enjoy it a lot.
I am planning this dream trip for my birthday later this year and want to bring my lady on the big bike 2up like you did! Awesome footage and riding! May i ask where you guys found that awesome cabin to bunk in?!
Thank you 🙂 For sure this will be an unforgettable birthday for you. Make sure that you rode at least a bit offroad with your lady before. Learning 2up offroad riding is not something you want to do on the White Rim Trail. The small cabin is at "Escalante Cabins & RV Park", we stayed there overnight on our way from Las Vegas to Moab.
Thanks for all the hard work in making the video. When I saw your footwear i cringed tho, as you were in LONG Canyon. Hopefully i saw it incorrectly, Utah never disaapoints on scenery!
Thank you !!! Hahahaha, yes I knew that I will get comments because of my "choice" of footwear. lol. To tell you the whole story: On our last day when we were driving home, we wanted to hike to a few arches in the park. Also my boots were still soaked from the water crossings the day before. So I thought I will just wear jeans and sneaker and we ride with the bike from one arch to the next one and do the hikes without wasting time by changing clothes.
However, suddenly I had to think about how cool some pictures from Long Canyon road looked and I realized we were close to it (Dead Horse Point State Park
). So from what I remembered reading in those forums it was just a super simple road, maybe even paved. So we rode down from the top and to my surprise the sand there was super deep with huge holes from all those Jeeps. Damn, that wasn't something I expected there at all, otherwise I would never ever rode there with sneakers on and a fully loaded bike 2up. lol.
"Bad decisions make great stories".... and I am living this :-) !!!
With sneaker I had to be super careful about not getting my foot/legs under the hard cases, because this stuff can break your bones.
@@swegotech8466 Kudos for 2 up riding, meet a couple of friends of mine..www.advpulse.com/adv-news/this-couple-racing-two-up-is-racking-up-wins-in-baja/
Does your god mode last all day? Props to your lady for doing it with you.
Thanks. Well, I look like a god when I am on my bike... unfortunately it's Buddha :-) Yes it is cool that she does these trips together with me. It is great that she trust me, especially after she had a really bad motorcycle accident (including helicopter flight to the hospital) when riding her own bike.
Brings back some great memories... White RIM 2 up is impressive. Did you do it in one day? We did it in a day, going the opposite direction, 250l's not 2 up.
Thank you! Yes we rode the trail on one day.
Awesome im fixing to buy honda africa twin and do the same trip are you up to go to South America pan American route its on the list to do Awesome video bro
Thank you !!! I also have South America on my list, but right now the Covid rules in some of the places can make it more complicated... so I will wait a bit longer before I do that.
Belo vídeos ! 🇧🇷
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I just watched your White Rim trail video tonight :-)
Best big bike off road riding skills I have seen yet. You must ride dirt bikes also? Most riders I see take it slow and cautious in sand and that can really cause problems. And the Hogback hill climb even had me on my toes but, that’s the way to do it. Man I can’t wait to get out there
Thank you for your nice comment !!! This made my day :-) I owned some dirtbikes in the past. I sold them all now because I mainly ride my Africa Twin and rode the dirt bike only once every year. In general I would say that my riding skills on a dirt bike are just average and most of my friends are much much better riders. However I am a good sand rider.
I do not stand up on the bike a lot, but because of that I am used to ride when I sit on the bike instead of standing. Guess this helps my 2up riding skills a lot, because I am so used to it. Also I am strong and can handle the weight of a 1000cc bike offroad so on the big bike I am maybe a bit better than others. This bike is just the prefect fit for me.
The key in riding these big bikes is to keep the momentum... when you are too slow you will get in trouble soon. This is why I rode up Hogback faster than I needed, because I was expecting the worst. lol. To be honest with you, riding the White Rim trail in this heat (up to 100F) and 2up was about my personal limit of my riding skills. I never dropped the bike once on that trail, but it was right at my skill limit.
It was one of the most impressive trails I ever rode, beautiful landscape and I am thinking about doing it again :-)
BTW, you mentioned my dirt bike riding skills. Here is a video when I rode my dirt bike last year with a group of friends. At the end of the trip I joined my firends for the most extreme offroad ride in my life. There you will see how much better my Ryan and Mike are on the dirt bike than I am. lol. Damn, that was a scarry but fun day. Glad that I got out there alive :-) lol
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@@swegotech8466 Alright cool. Me, my middle son and grandson are watching this one again, i had to show him where we will be going for sure. We will watch this one next. The grandson also loves to ride also he is 2 and will be a handful when he gets old enough to ride by himself. Just like my 3 boys🤦♂️.
@@BigDaveTALKS the great thing about the whole Moab area is that you can do so much more than "just" ride dirt bikes there. Arches National Park is one of the coolest things I have seen in my life.
@@swegotech8466 that would be a great vacation. If we are able to, me and the family might go visit. We have been looking at Mesa Verde also. Thanks for the heads up on that area.
Great adventure ,
Beautiful scenery on two wheels is always best! ... did you use a stock spring configuration or did you have to upgrade to a heavier spring for 2 up riding and luggage? Really enjoyed the adventure . Stay safe.
Thank you David for your nice comment :-)
I ride my Africa Twin with the stock spring. For sure this setup is too soft, so the bike does not have the correct sag setting which has a negative effect on the handling. However, compared to my CRF450R which has custom suspension for my exact weight, my Africa Twin is my touring bike. I won't start at a race with it, so even when the setup is not perfect I can simply slow down a bit and it will handle fine.
But when you are willing to spend a few extra dollars, you can improve the Africa Twin suspension a lot.
Ok, finally someone posting some 2 up riding.... can your passenger answer this question - how comfortable is the AT pillion seat? How long in the saddle until you are squirming? I am considering an AT but am nervous about spending that kind of cash without it being comfortable and secure enough for my teenage son on the back...he rides with me nearly all the time. Some feedback from the pillion's POV would be appreciated.
I mainly bought the bike, because I wanted to do longer tours together with my wife. In general the comfort for my wife on the AT is really good. However, it's not on Honda Goldwing level. Michaela was very happy when I got the box with the back rest which was a big improvement for her on longer tours.
So 4-6 hour rides are zero problem for her. On our longer trips (8-16 hours per day) it can get a bit challenging. The problem is not the cushion of the seat, more the space and the seat position. For example when my wife sits on the back of the bike, I need to sit a bit more to the front than I like. Sitting nearly on the gas tank is not really fun. So on the really long riding days, we both somtimes stand up for a while when riding, so we can stretch our legs a bit. But our tours are often much more extreme than what other people do on those bikes. For sure I can recommend the Africa Twin for 2up travel.
@@swegotech8466 thanks for the detailed response! I will have to take my son with me to sit on the bike before considering more. I was really leaning towards a 2018+ Goldwing but the pricing is still out of my budget.
Great 👍🏻
Epic :)
Nicely done, what tires did you do this on?
I did this trip with on TKC80 front and a Motoz Rallz rear tire which is my favorite tire combo for this larger adventure bikes (and I tried a lot).
Curious where that lookout is on your closing shot to this video?
This was filmed at "Dead Horse Point State Park" (it's a paved road). You pay a small fee to get in, but it is worth it in my opinion.
@@swegotech8466 Many thanks! I thought that might be it. Skipped it last time but that view looks epic, will definitely go there next time. Will be nice to give the group a preview of their WRT ride the following day....cant wait! 😁
Where is the cute small cabin> I like to stay there! do you think my RV Revel Sprinter 144 Van can tackle that road. I enjoyed your trip.. thanks for doing this.. i wish you can share the exact route for me to follow this year. God Bless
Hi Al,
the small cabin is at "Escalante Cabins & RV Park". I think it should be possible to do the White Rim Trail with a Revel Sprinter, but I would do a bit more research about this before you go.
To give you more details about our tour/exact route:
Las Vegas, Zion National Park, hiking in Bryce Canyon at Queen's Garden trail and Peek-A-Boo Loop Trail, Burr Trail Switchbacks, Hite Overlook, Sipapu Bridge, Moab (where we drove the White Rim Trail, Chicken Corners and Onion Creek Canyon).
Hope that helps :-)
@@swegotech8466 what national park does it belong to, maybe I can call the ranger. thanks again for doing and sharing it
@@alsantos5518 Canyonlands National Park
@@swegotech8466 Thanks
looking fwd for your new adventures
When is the best time of year to ride the White Rim Trail?
That's a good question. I am not an expert about the trail, but in general there are a few things you should know about it:
When the snow in the mountains starts to melt, the river water level at the end of the trail gets sometimes so high that you can not finish the trail and would need to turn around. You can find information about this on the national park website.
In the summer it can get really hot at the bottom of the trail. So when you are not a very good rider, used to the heat and are in really good shape, I would try to avoid this. I rode the tour in September and while for me it was still OK my wife reached her temperature limit on our tour (so for her a tour in August would be too hot). We both live in Las Vegas and are used to hot desert weather. Furthermore you need to think about stuff which can happen on the trail. Like you get stuck, need to repair a tire or fix something else on the bike. In those situations the temperature makes a difference. I repaired tires out in the desert at 115 Fahrenheit without any shade and this is really a workout. lol.
Also the winter months and mud/rain is something to avoid.
So my personal best time of the year for the White Rim Trail would be October. But again I am no expert on this, maybe some other people here can give you their opinion about it.
@@swegotech8466 Thanks for the info. I'm coming from Canada so not too fond of the hot weather. I think the fall might be the best time for me then.
Great ride. Hate the music though. Could hqve chosen something that complement the video better. But great adventure.
Nice. The suspenders on your AT got one heck of a workout! How many days did it take you to ride all that?
Thank you :-) It took us 5 days to ride the whole tour (we started here in Las Vegas).
Great vid!! I’ve got the same bike for the same reason. My wife and I like to do week camping/riding trips out west. The AT is a great bike for that. Have you done anything to your suspension? I’m considering at least having mine resprung and valved for 2up riding with camping gear.
Happy to hear that you enjoyed this video. My Africa Twin is nearly stock. I have the rear preload on the highest setting. However this is not enough to get the correct sag setting. So a suspension upgrade would be necessary for perfect handling for people in my weight class, especially when 2up riding with luggage.
However, I have a custom suspension on my dirtbike, but on the AT I have no problem to ride slower. It's not a racing bike for me, just a touring bike and as you can see in the video it still works good enough to enjoy the stock suspension. At least for what I do.
Great vid! what tyres are these?
TKC80 front and Motoz Rallz rear... so far the best I've tried for adventure traveling.
@@swegotech8466 Yeah, that's what they say, you're not the only one who recommends this setup. In my case I need to strike a balance with doing a long tarmac rides. I like to do 1-day trips 200-300 miles but I also love going light off-road. Have you heard any opinion about MotoZ GPS tyres?
@@czaras_ my friend had the Motoz GPS on his Africa Twin when we went riding together in the desert. My bike was on knobby tires, but mostly he was able to keep up with me (I was a bit better in the deep sand). However, he has much better riding skills than I have and a lot of desert racing experience, so it is hard to say how good the tires really are. They worked for him really good. For light offroad riding I would also choose the GPS or maybe try the Dunlop Trailmax Mission Tire. However, the TKC80/Rallz combo works also OK on pavement and will be better offroad...
Nice, just buy a better camera. I have done all of these except Onion is on my To Do List.
Nice! You're a big boy, you beef the spring rates up on your twin?
Happy to hear that you like my video! Yes I am not exactly lightweight (220-240lbs + clothes). So I have the rear preload on the highest setting. However this is not enough to get the correct sag setting. So a suspension upgrade would be necessary for perfect handling for people in this weight class.
My Africa Twin is nearly stock. I have a custom suspension on my dirtbike, but on the AT I have no problem to ride slower. It's not a racing bike for me, just a touring bike.
@@swegotech8466 I'm around your size (#250) and am super happy with my sraight rate springs from Cogent Dynamics. $300 very well spent. 0.72 front, 10.72 rear.
@@Bbanker1974 yes I think Cogent Dynamics is the way to go from what I heard.
Do you think you could take the Versys 300 on this trail ? thanks anyone
The Versys 300 is at least not a very heavy bike. I would think that the main problem for you would be the ground clearance. Some of those rocks/steps can be a bit tricky. However I was riding 2up with a heavy loaded bike, so I also had to ride around those rocks instead of just going over them. I never rode the Versys 300, but because it is a more road focused motorcycle I am sure the stock skid plate won't help you much. So I would maybe upgrade the skid plate on the Vesys, because you do not want to risk to crack the engine case in the middle of nowhere which will end in an expensive tow truck bill. Hope my answer could help you a bit.
Please, trak.? Tanks you.!
I would have loved this video without music. Still thumbs up though for the effort and the scenery /bikes.
While editing I thought about it, but I have the quiet stock exhaust on my bike. Reality is that without music you hear mainly the windnoise and the rattling of the chain. lol. So music is a much better choice here.