Hey guys, as promised we're back with our melee tier list! We'll be back this week with another covenant guide and a deeper look into the most broken specs in right now in shadowlands. Enjoy!
@Skill Capped WoW Guides hey! love the videos, just wanted to let you know you typo’d at 0:49 and forgot to change the title card from your last video, and it says “Placing our healers**** into 4 tiers”
@Skill Capped WoW Guides I guess I speak for everyone when I say it would be helpful if you use correct tooltips when you explain your ranking of a class. It helps especially returning players.
I'm a DH main. And I'm glad they're not so good. So that all the noob shitters stop playing it. And the good dh's who know the higher skill capped mechanics shine.
@@Telarius All the players that think that "dh is the easiest class to ever play, its free glad" have never even got to glad. Also they are forgetting about destro locks and fire mages that are stacking corruption and getting 1 second chaos bolts and 1.5 second gpie
2 of the rets auras were passives in bfa, now you can only have 1 of those up at 1 ttime and they are the exact same so thats a bit of a pepega move from blizz
Honestly I am the same way. I recently started playing enhance, and I'm already at 90. And I was expecting (when I first started feral) feral to be pretty much like a rogue, boy was I mistaken. And fury is just fun to play. Fun to mog as well.
Would you guys consider doing a 3's comp breakdown for shadowlands , Maybe not a "tier" list but a breakdown of whats looking really good , what cool new comps are coming back etc
I'm looking forward to getting back into 3s. I'm a bit bummed about enhancement's problems, and I wish Blizzard would correct them, but at least the other spec I play (Arms) is performing well. I might end up going Fury for raids/m+ and Arms for pvp, but I'll have to see how the itemization for each spec works. If they're wildly different, then I'll just stick with Arms for everything. I want to get away from the BFA model where I felt compelled to keep a couple bags of gear on me.
the point is that demon hunters were broken in pve, pvp and is super easy to play. Rogue is very bad at pve and super hard to play, but it have some really good ways to burst 1 target or keep sustaning damage, making them super good in pvp
@@wesso27 rogue isn't "very bad" at pve. On the contrary, sub rogue has proven to be top dps in shadowlands pve. Source: www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings
@@svelli7473 the point is that sub rogue is currently broken in PvP and pve, they gave too much stuff to the spec. And now it is superb in everything, it'll probably be nerfed in some patch.
i find it interesting you talk about the loss of essences + corruption but dont talk about the addition of legendaries, conduits or soulbinds (edit: except for rogue - is the entire list keeping mind the other legendary affects?)
@@DaimonoZ well as of right now based on the few games ive seen where sub rogues play alternate legendary/covenants, sub rogue isnt even A tier if they arent abusing the covenant spell that does 30% of their dmg (which also was nerfed, but the dmg hasnt actually been nerfed yet, just the tooltip? at least according to what ive heard), coupled with the shadowstrike legendary. this kind of puts them in the same place as WW monks, in that they are completely reliant on their covenant and legendary effects not being completely fucked shortly before or after release. kind of ridicilous that we yet again have a situation where closer to 50% of people's damage are coming from passive bullshit JUST like corruption, but not at all surprised blizzard clings on to the mechanics that nobody enjoyed.
@@georgthesecond Hopefully so. Rogue has been a top tier spec since vanilla. Would be healthy to let them be in the gutter for a few patches to make up for it.
I can't decide between maining disc priest in pve/pvp or dk blood pve and whatever pvp this xpac. I always alt the other. Priest and DK are my fav classes by far
I really wish Ret Pallys would get' Long arm of the law' back, as soon as we lost it PVP was NOT fun anymore , getting kitted is so frustrating !!!! ive played Ret for 13 years loved the spec but might go Monk if the dont fix Rets mobility, Thx for the Video you guys make awesome PVP content
@xrelik Clearly you have no idea what a good Monk's capable of and are probably stuck at 1500 rating, based on your post above. So move along folks, nothing to see here.
I honestly have to say, this is by far the best video I've seen describing the tiers. my two mains are assassination rogues and frost dks. so I might have to roll with a frost dk this xpac :D
RMP seems dogshit from the current games done on beta, so thats a lie if anything. anything with a warrior is currently the kings of SL beta, with probably arms/sp being the best combo around. also RMP will always be the best comp a mage or a rogue can play, because of how their class synergy works, if RMP doesnt work, chances are rogues are nonexistant, while mages will cling for their life to a warlock, for which they will be carried by the state of warlocks more than the comp in general. actually if RMP doesnt work and MLS worked at the same time, i would be scared shitless of any warlock comp that DOESNT have a mage in it, because that speaks volumes of how busted locks would have to be.
Not good because some class got more cc tools (warlock perma slow 50%) and their actual burst is so stupidly good that it's gonna nerfed to the ground.
@@fabachso9184 once upon a time long ago in a world ruled by a Lich King.. Rets were fucking busted till like Mop then and everything went to hell in Legion.
This is the way of Blizzard... op classes becomes weak next xpac... dks were op in legion and at the start of bfa they were weak... so dhs might get buffed if needed sooner or later. Also sub rogue was the weakest spec in bfa so it makes sense is the strongest in SL, its the blizzard way.
Why is feral on the botton? It'sa literal god spec right now especially world pvp and battlegrounds should be amazing with it, is this list purely based on arena?
Good to see DH at the bottom, hope it stays C tier for years. Also halfway through to A tier and still no sight of any DK spec "starts sweating" oh god, always need a busted hero class xD
Watched the start up to and including enhancement shamans, Noone mentions neither conduits or legos, just that it's from early beta. For example, there's a shaman conduit that makes earth ele give some damage reduction when active I believe, which isn't mentioned. But given that it's from early beta I guess the video is more or less just a very loose expectation to have more to base choice of class upon than having nothing. Legos do work in pvp I've found out in the meantime though.
I guess take it all with a grain of salt when the information they have says ‘DH’s are OP’, it’s only a problem in low rated PvP from what I can see. WW/Rogue and SV Hunter are all extremely well represented in the AWC. Would think if they were are OP as these guys make up they’d be in every team.
AWC is not necessarily representative of what’s OP at lower or higher ratings. Just like in League most top midlaners can pull off Azir but he’s the lowest WR/played mid laner in the entire ladder. Resto shaman fucking sucks yet Absterge and EU teams can pull it off because they bring unique answers to meta comps through worldwide top-tier skills and communication. DHs are definitely way overtuned in BFA yet they are not represented because their playstyle is incredibly one-dimensional (but nothing does it better). Feral fucking sucks, SV isn’t huge, yet jungle does really well in higher ratings because two skilled players paired together can make optimal use of their insane burst and utility while circumventing the obvious class design flaws. Take any other people on these «well-represented » yet actually lower-tier (at least individually) teams into a caster cleave with half a braincell and they won’t win a single game.
They didn't nerf them !! It's all the borrowed power that made them broken !? and now that they are gone, they are back to realm of reality again. I wouldn't call it a nerf !
@@EnragedSeaCow The thing i see when I play it... I heard you like to buff yourself before you buff yourself, so you can buff your damage with a debuff. Feels like they are mixing combat and outlaw together in a gross way IMO.
Oh wow fury warriors and enhancement shamans are bottom of the barrel that freaking sucks. Arms scored pretty high so I'm sort of excited for that same with DK. Idk I'm on the fence if I want to play again.
I'm really glad to see WW in higher tiers. I haven't played my WW, since legion and I can't even imagine playing my wheelchair Ret in SL !! I don't have enough sanity left to suffer through an entire xp like we did in BFA ! So WW it is for me in SL and I always loved the class and rotation !
@@Destrolocklols I meant Ret suffered the entire XP. The lack if mobility in pvp and even in pve raid and M+ made me go bald literally. WW was also pretty lackluster the entire BFA as well.
Legit I play sub since cata, in legion they required so much skill and satyr boots. Always hardest rogue class. And now it will be good. Haha so happyyyt.
Sub is very OP atm becouse of the Legendary is it not tho ? i Understand that it is hard to speculate and make a list out of speculation, but i think sub would be kicked down to A tier as soon as the legendary gloves gets balanced out and this should have been mentioned since it is what is breaking sub atm.
As much as I love Sub rogues or rogues in general, I am really worried about them, especially Sub. The spec is basically top tier in both, PVP and PVE. As we all know Bliz, they are gonna nerf the spec pretty hard before even SL launches, which is unfortunate.
When you'l make RDPS & MDPS Tier list for PVE ? I reckon these are same for PVE as well. S Tier in SL (WoW Shadowlands) will be DPS wise & everything wise (PVE + PVP) the following 3 : 1. Subtlety Rogue 2. Frost Mage 3. Shadow Priest
feral at c tier? I think they atleast should be at a b tier or perhaps a. Feral requires a lot of skill, which probably is why they are a c tier spec? gimme some input
you do realize that this is based on all the updates they are doing on the beta testing on lvl 60? of course things keep on changing as they continue. But that's why this guy makes a new list every so much time, keeping up with all the changes. But this is the expansion at lvl 60. :)
Not nerved neccessary, but reworked, so you need some kind of skill to perform. To many things are passiv on dh. Fel barrage should never be meele range. Glaves should do more damage like in legion. So you can play a mix of caster/meele again, I liked legion playstyle.
Simple fix for Assassination is bringing back the passive that made Deadly poison also apply Wound Poison. Right now it's hard to imagine playing Assassination over Outlaw or Sub (which is fine, I'm ready to change it up, but it's nice having the option to play a DoT spec without feeling gimped).
DH was actually pretty easy to counter in high-rated PvP during BFA. It mainly shined in the lower rated brackets (obv there are plenty of glad DHs, but still) and classes like rogues, locks, and fire mages had much higher burst potential without needing a ton of borrowed power. Meh, that being said, I'm gonna main Sub rogue with a Frost DK alt. I'm bored of DH anyways and playing it without abusing Eyes of Fury haste with Ineffable Truth / Expedient just isn't gonna be fun.
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I use to main rogue.. switch to DH to play some viable comps with friends. I can tell you now.. DH is stronger in SL. Borrowed power was/is OP. Fuck do u see what assass/feral/survival does with borrowed power? Imo DH received more kit and this meta does not take in account scaling. And this is based on level 50 aswel
why do the specs differ so much in capabilities in pvp unreal. im having a hard time understanding the arguments to which they uphold their inability to make a mold threshhold each spec need to uphold.
@@bigdaddygibbs251 still? were they the best on beta earlier or what do you mean? im fairly sure rdruid has been the long reigning king throughout the entire beta so far? heals to full with one regro, barely has to use mana, etc. anytime i see a disc, they have the exact same issue that never makes them the all around best healer; their mana and actual healing output. granted, healing output seems better in SL, they still go oom before a rdruid has even lost 5% of his mana currently.
Blizz just give Rets the WOD Gameplay and id even reroll back. that was just so good. Blizzard should listen more to community, at this point we just know better...
Hey guys, as promised we're back with our melee tier list! We'll be back this week with another covenant guide and a deeper look into the most broken specs in right now in shadowlands. Enjoy!
@Skill Capped WoW Guides hey! love the videos, just wanted to let you know you typo’d at 0:49 and forgot to change the title card from your last video, and it says “Placing our healers**** into 4 tiers”
looks fw to it, cheers
@Skill Capped WoW Guides
I guess I speak for everyone when I say it would be helpful if you use correct tooltips when you explain your ranking of a class. It helps especially returning players.
@@Kezzic Blurred it, thanks.
@@maxfischer8977 Our mistake on a few of those. We'll make sure they're updated to the shadowlands tooltips in future videos.
14:58 The list!
Thanks!
"If Sub gets some tuning..." - Bit obvious it will, when has Sub ever remained good? They always make shitty Assass top.
YOU'RE A GOD
Thank you captain
Cheers mate!!
like seeing DH on the bottom is like birthday and christmas all at the same time
I'm a DH main. And I'm glad they're not so good. So that all the noob shitters stop playing it. And the good dh's who know the higher skill capped mechanics shine.
Edit. Believe it or not. There are a few high skill cap DH mechanics. (Meta immuning instant cc's) as an example.
@@Telarius Suuuuuure......
Telarius lol
@@Telarius All the players that think that "dh is the easiest class to ever play, its free glad" have never even got to glad. Also they are forgetting about destro locks and fire mages that are stacking corruption and getting 1 second chaos bolts and 1.5 second gpie
15:00 - The Tier List
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2 of the rets auras were passives in bfa, now you can only have 1 of those up at 1 ttime and they are the exact same so thats a bit of a pepega move from blizz
Wow, considering fury, enhance, and feral are the only melee I actually enjoy playing i’m just going to pretend I didn’t see this video.
Ah yes the mongo specs
Honestly I am the same way. I recently started playing enhance, and I'm already at 90. And I was expecting (when I first started feral) feral to be pretty much like a rogue, boy was I mistaken. And fury is just fun to play. Fun to mog as well.
Doesnt matter about where someone ranks classes I know a warrior that will shit just about anyone skill is where it's at
God i will love going back to old 2h frost again the AoE cleave was fun but its time for some obliteration again :)
I only stopped Because i had to 1h dk
Would you guys consider doing a 3's comp breakdown for shadowlands , Maybe not a "tier" list but a breakdown of whats looking really good , what cool new comps are coming back etc
Definitely on our radar and something we'll be looking to do so soon.
Youve got the class tier list, you can imagine the comps on your own...
Use me as "Sad cat noises" button.
Make bleeds great again!!!
I'm looking forward to getting back into 3s. I'm a bit bummed about enhancement's problems, and I wish Blizzard would correct them, but at least the other spec I play (Arms) is performing well. I might end up going Fury for raids/m+ and Arms for pvp, but I'll have to see how the itemization for each spec works. If they're wildly different, then I'll just stick with Arms for everything. I want to get away from the BFA model where I felt compelled to keep a couple bags of gear on me.
They need more passive defenses
Everyone complains about Demon Hunters, meanwhile Rogue has been broken S Tier for 15 years smh
DH = no fingers
the point is that demon hunters were broken in pve, pvp and is super easy to play. Rogue is very bad at pve and super hard to play, but it have some really good ways to burst 1 target or keep sustaning damage, making them super good in pvp
Yeah what wedson says. DH was OP and faceroll. I dont mind a class being OP if its much harder to play.
@@wesso27 rogue isn't "very bad" at pve. On the contrary, sub rogue has proven to be top dps in shadowlands pve.
Source: www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings
@@svelli7473 the point is that sub rogue is currently broken in PvP and pve, they gave too much stuff to the spec. And now it is superb in everything, it'll probably be nerfed in some patch.
Demon hunters are now easy to kill?!
A dream come true....
Whats the difference betwen A, B and C?
i find it interesting you talk about the loss of essences + corruption but dont talk about the addition of legendaries, conduits or soulbinds (edit: except for rogue - is the entire list keeping mind the other legendary affects?)
of course not
The list is pretty accurate IMO based on beta testing on max level realm. The classes on top all have excellent legendary and covenant options
@@DaimonoZ well as of right now based on the few games ive seen where sub rogues play alternate legendary/covenants, sub rogue isnt even A tier if they arent abusing the covenant spell that does 30% of their dmg (which also was nerfed, but the dmg hasnt actually been nerfed yet, just the tooltip? at least according to what ive heard), coupled with the shadowstrike legendary.
this kind of puts them in the same place as WW monks, in that they are completely reliant on their covenant and legendary effects not being completely fucked shortly before or after release.
kind of ridicilous that we yet again have a situation where closer to 50% of people's damage are coming from passive bullshit JUST like corruption, but not at all surprised blizzard clings on to the mechanics that nobody enjoyed.
Will dual-wield or 2H be best for PVP frost dk?
What's the add-on showing enemy castbar under the nameplate @ 14:21
for 2h frost dk, which rune is optimal?
so....should I go back to 2H frost again?
Hey. Didn't play WoW for quiet a while. 5.35 what are these addons for health bars and ability bars?
Can't wait for the ''5 ways to counter Subtlety rogue'' :')
Lol run cc run Los cc run
All of them are just crying in a corner while they 100-0 you
It's funny cause I started lvling a sub rouge before beta and stopped. So I guess I'll be lvling it anyways
They'll just nerf them to the ground at the start of SL, like they did in BfA.
@@georgthesecond Hopefully so. Rogue has been a top tier spec since vanilla. Would be healthy to let them be in the gutter for a few patches to make up for it.
What is the easiest to push 2.4 for a beginner ?
Just give ret hand of freedom +30% speed as a baseline and maybe reduced cooldown. It would help a lot
What would you consider a safer pick, SV Hunter or MM Hunter?
MM hunter at the moment.
Huh? Thought fury was ahead of arms on the current dps list?
Where did you even come up with most of this? Have you seen the dps rankings recently?
I can't decide between maining disc priest in pve/pvp or dk blood pve and whatever pvp this xpac. I always alt the other. Priest and DK are my fav classes by far
I like mage, druid and dk cant decide between em
@@antoniomf8399 Exactly the same problem here!
That's actually pretty cool, because they are so different. Even the theme of DK and Priest is complete opposite.
I wonder if shamans will ever be even above average. I dont even want them to be great, even being above average would be nice for a change
I gave up on Enhancement. Elemental, however, is amazing!
@Chris Anderson only in pvp
Enhancement was beastly in WoD, but yeah it’s been downhill since then unfortunately 👎🏽
Trying WW monk out for the first time ever. Just getting back into arena since hitting glad as resto shaman in tbc lol...hope it goes well
any updated melee TIER list coming soon?
Next week!
I really wish Ret Pallys would get' Long arm of the law' back, as soon as we lost it PVP was NOT fun anymore , getting kitted is so frustrating !!!! ive played Ret for 13 years loved the spec but might go Monk if the dont fix Rets mobility, Thx for the Video you guys make awesome PVP content
@xrelik Explain shadow priest.
@xrelik Under what rock have you been living under? Shadow Priest dominated the better part of entire BFA in raids rofl.
@xrelik Clearly you have no idea what a good Monk's capable of and are probably stuck at 1500 rating, based on your post above. So move along folks, nothing to see here.
Join the dark side go Unholy 😃
I honestly have to say, this is by far the best video I've seen describing the tiers. my two mains are assassination rogues and frost dks. so I might have to roll with a frost dk this xpac :D
RMP as always top tier in SL
Rps
RMP seems dogshit from the current games done on beta, so thats a lie if anything.
anything with a warrior is currently the kings of SL beta, with probably arms/sp being the best combo around.
also RMP will always be the best comp a mage or a rogue can play, because of how their class synergy works, if RMP doesnt work, chances are rogues are nonexistant, while mages will cling for their life to a warlock, for which they will be carried by the state of warlocks more than the comp in general.
actually if RMP doesnt work and MLS worked at the same time, i would be scared shitless of any warlock comp that DOESNT have a mage in it, because that speaks volumes of how busted locks would have to be.
Were enha shamans good in any period of wow?
BFA Season 1
In WoD they were beast.
rogue are the only class at s tier??
Can someone tell me what addon is being used to make the stock ui health bars bigger like at 8:30 ?
Sad to hear about survival hunters.. was rly looking forward to it but now im not so sure
Pvp was the only content we could play survival at and now its gone
@@HamadAlmayyas Shame. Its a fun specc :/
I wanna play ret but all the good rets are saying it's bad and I should just play DK lol
well, i've never heard a ret say ret is good even if it was.
Play what you wanna play man
Not good because some class got more cc tools (warlock perma slow 50%) and their actual burst is so stupidly good that it's gonna nerfed to the ground.
@@fabachso9184 once upon a time long ago in a world ruled by a Lich King.. Rets were fucking busted till like Mop then and everything went to hell in Legion.
Ret has barely ever been good in PvP because you can just kite them during wings. Some people make it work still but it’s pushing water uphill
Hello, can you tell more about enh shaman convenant and soulbinds prefer in PVP?
how is the tierlist for 2s? and which combs will be great? :D
*cries in feral Druid*
yea bother... ik ..
:(
does the jungle will still good ?
Didn't sub got nerfed ?
RIP feral
Ik it fucking sucks i really want to main feral
Feral has been dead for the last two expansions
Feral háve still sick dmg, if you go good fb built. You can oneshot ppl this video is so weird
I was so happy to see DH got nerf until I see feral coming up next...
Feral is amazing in WPVP and bgrounds, not arena so much.
Are there any reasons to run say a Prot Pally in arena?
Nadda thoughts? I was thinking Holy Avenger, Wings, Sanctified Wrath then Shield of Righteous. Thoughts?
I can't decide as my main character between these 5 : DH, DK, Mage, Rogue or Warlock
Rogue
Rogue
Only rogue
Hey skilled capped big fan boys , I’m trying to finalize my main I only pvp would you recommend arms war or dk ???? I really like both
I trust you guys so much tbh, amazing video as always
I'm seeing a ferocious bite build on ferals that's 1shotting people lol I think they're closer to B or A but nice list
Yeah me too
3 weeks after vid came out you commented 1 week after vid came out feral buff
The giant grin I had when they said DH was in the C tier.
This is the way of Blizzard... op classes becomes weak next xpac... dks were op in legion and at the start of bfa they were weak... so dhs might get buffed if needed sooner or later.
Also sub rogue was the weakest spec in bfa so it makes sense is the strongest in SL, its the blizzard way.
@@vindico8231 I know. We're all aware of it. This is not news to anyone. I'm just happy that DHs are in the bottom of the barrel this cycle of tuning.
@@juanmiguelmoreno5598 They might be delaying SL because they don't like how weak dhs are... I just know that's the reason.
Why is feral on the botton? It'sa literal god spec right now especially world pvp and battlegrounds should be amazing with it, is this list purely based on arena?
yep
Any updates on the melee tier list coming?
They say in the video that they will update it after the expansion comes out.
Enhancement went from bleh to meh
They srsly need to roll back to MOP Enhacement
@@betahumanx Wod was better
@@avgvstvs7 Didnt play WoD sorry
Good to see DH at the bottom, hope it stays C tier for years. Also halfway through to A tier and still no sight of any DK spec "starts sweating" oh god, always need a busted hero class xD
My 2 favourite specs Unholy DK and Shadow Priest looking strong !!! Can't wait now !!!
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Nobody asked
That feeling you get when you just found out that DHs are getting hella nerfed.
Ty so much for putting in list I were in an hurry and needed that! Now you earned sub and like
Does this account for conduits and legendaries (not sure if legos work in pvp)?
You didnt watch the video 🤡
Watched the start up to and including enhancement shamans, Noone mentions neither conduits or legos, just that it's from early beta. For example, there's a shaman conduit that makes earth ele give some damage reduction when active I believe, which isn't mentioned. But given that it's from early beta I guess the video is more or less just a very loose expectation to have more to base choice of class upon than having nothing.
Legos do work in pvp I've found out in the meantime though.
But who is this anboni guy in some of your clips?
Hope feral gets a damage buff tho
I guess take it all with a grain of salt when the information they have says ‘DH’s are OP’, it’s only a problem in low rated PvP from what I can see. WW/Rogue and SV Hunter are all extremely well represented in the AWC. Would think if they were are OP as these guys make up they’d be in every team.
AWC is not necessarily representative of what’s OP at lower or higher ratings. Just like in League most top midlaners can pull off Azir but he’s the lowest WR/played mid laner in the entire ladder. Resto shaman fucking sucks yet Absterge and EU teams can pull it off because they bring unique answers to meta comps through worldwide top-tier skills and communication. DHs are definitely way overtuned in BFA yet they are not represented because their playstyle is incredibly one-dimensional (but nothing does it better). Feral fucking sucks, SV isn’t huge, yet jungle does really well in higher ratings because two skilled players paired together can make optimal use of their insane burst and utility while circumventing the obvious class design flaws. Take any other people on these «well-represented » yet actually lower-tier (at least individually) teams into a caster cleave with half a braincell and they won’t win a single game.
idk why they nerfed sv hunter
They didn't nerf them !! It's all the borrowed power that made them broken !? and now that they are gone, they are back to realm of reality again. I wouldn't call it a nerf !
Salar Mosavi they made pet res time 4 instead of 2sec, as well as making pet more squishy. If it’s not nerf than what is it?
Thanks for another great PVP video
Yall should watch all the way through, dont just skip to the list!
where is prot paladin???
So if you enjoyed Outlaw in previous seasons, the future looks bright.
Me: I hate everything they have done to Outlaw...
Whaaat? The worst thing they did was take the stun off between the eyes the rest seems to make sense 🤷♂️
@@EnragedSeaCow The thing i see when I play it...
I heard you like to buff yourself before you buff yourself, so you can buff your damage with a debuff.
Feels like they are mixing combat and outlaw together in a gross way IMO.
@@djb1021993 I wish they'd just give us combat back at this point. The rng aspect annoys me more and more as the class progresses.
Outlaw is the most fun rogue spec by far. And is ok.
Nice video, very informative as healer. Know your enemy hehe.
By the way, will you comment the new response regards PvP itemization from Blizz?
We've got a new related video coming out on this tomorrow!
Oh wow fury warriors and enhancement shamans are bottom of the barrel that freaking sucks. Arms scored pretty high so I'm sort of excited for that same with DK. Idk I'm on the fence if I want to play again.
Maybe DH,ferals will be S tier or A tier in next patches ,who knows 🤔
Feral would be cool to see, but why would you ever want DH to be up there?
@@frog7491 well I like both of them , I mained feral in wod and it was awesome.
I'm really glad to see WW in higher tiers. I haven't played my WW, since legion and I can't even imagine playing my wheelchair Ret in SL !! I don't have enough sanity left to suffer through an entire xp like we did in BFA ! So WW it is for me in SL and I always loved the class and rotation !
ww suffered in bfa? lol?
@@Destrolocklols I meant Ret suffered the entire XP. The lack if mobility in pvp and even in pve raid and M+ made me go bald literally. WW was also pretty lackluster the entire BFA as well.
@@salarmosavi9189 WW was as overtuned if not more some seasons than rogues through the entire expansion, for PvP.
Legit I play sub since cata, in legion they required so much skill and satyr boots. Always hardest rogue class. And now it will be good. Haha so happyyyt.
As a DK main and a DH hater I like what I'm seeing.
how does a DK main have trouble with DHs?
@@jeleopard lmao your not being serious. Bfa Dh 40 ilvls lower out performs frost dk.
And UH dk is the lamest spec ever to play
@@jeleopard Never said I did. I just generally hate them.
@@baa260 found the dk who struggles with dh
Sub is very OP atm becouse of the Legendary is it not tho ? i Understand that it is hard to speculate and make a list out of speculation, but i think sub would be kicked down to A tier as soon as the legendary gloves gets balanced out and this should have been mentioned since it is what is breaking sub atm.
It was mentioned at 14:50.
@@skillcappedwowpvp i'll be damned, my brain must have stopped working for a second there to miss that. My bad!
Thank you! Great videos
I can’t wait to play frost again 🤫🤫
As much as I love Sub rogues or rogues in general, I am really worried about them, especially Sub. The spec is basically top tier in both, PVP and PVE. As we all know Bliz, they are gonna nerf the spec pretty hard before even SL launches, which is unfortunate.
You typed "fortunate" wrong.
@@manikes7179 Hahaha, you wish ;)
@@tonikunec heh :)) even tho, sub needs a serious nerf, it's broken beyond limits. Hopefully they won't kill it.
Blizz literally said yesterday over the next month they are primarily focussing on balance of classes this was a waste of time >.>
The funny thing is that you actually believe them lol.
@@joshuaroe1402 Who me?
When you'l make RDPS & MDPS Tier list for PVE ? I reckon these are same for PVE as well.
S Tier in SL (WoW Shadowlands) will be DPS wise & everything wise (PVE + PVP) the following 3 :
1. Subtlety Rogue
2. Frost Mage
3. Shadow Priest
wait... monk is gona use 2 hands?
feral at c tier? I think they atleast should be at a b tier or perhaps a. Feral requires a lot of skill, which probably is why they are a c tier spec? gimme some input
Hope is gone dude, accept it
Feral is still good, idk it should be on A or B, he can flop target from opener if he goes FB build
Feral is still good, idk it should be on A or B, he can flop target from opener if he goes FB build
Feral is still good, idk it should be on A or B, he can flop target from opener if he goes FB build
Hint: add time stamps :)
Good bye Jungle. You were good while it lasted. EDIT: I like how Arms and Dks are good though so don't nerf them Blizz!
Good thing none of this matters. We all know the real tier list happens after the xpack comes out.
you do realize that this is based on all the updates they are doing on the beta testing on lvl 60? of course things keep on changing as they continue. But that's why this guy makes a new list every so much time, keeping up with all the changes. But this is the expansion at lvl 60. :)
I mean surely sub is getting nerfed....right?....RIGHT!?
Like always
yep, and blizz will nerf it so hard its unplayable again
hey, love the vids just subbed, what is the name of the song running in the backround cuz i need this tune when im playing
Where is Protpala? :D
survival is keeping latent poison through a legendary, feel like that should be mentioned?
3:31 best part! hope they get nerfed even more!
Yeah,one could hope
Not nerved neccessary, but reworked, so you need some kind of skill to perform.
To many things are passiv on dh.
Fel barrage should never be meele range. Glaves should do more damage like in legion.
So you can play a mix of caster/meele again, I liked legion playstyle.
@@ziggs123 they had their primetime. They deserve to fall down the ladder.
Obscene burst as I watch mages health no move at all from two killing machine obliterates.
I believe at lvl 52 they get an extra 20% dmg increase to OB and 58...an increase to their overall frost dmg. Could be wrong though
Get good
Simple fix for Assassination is bringing back the passive that made Deadly poison also apply Wound Poison. Right now it's hard to imagine playing Assassination over Outlaw or Sub (which is fine, I'm ready to change it up, but it's nice having the option to play a DoT spec without feeling gimped).
Get it UA!!
Ffnmnn
Unholy is already changed from the making of this video
for the better ? :[
DH was actually pretty easy to counter in high-rated PvP during BFA. It mainly shined in the lower rated brackets (obv there are plenty of glad DHs, but still) and classes like rogues, locks, and fire mages had much higher burst potential without needing a ton of borrowed power. Meh, that being said, I'm gonna main Sub rogue with a Frost DK alt. I'm bored of DH anyways and playing it without abusing Eyes of Fury haste with Ineffable Truth / Expedient just isn't gonna be fun.
BUFF ENHANCE, WE'VE BEEN A TIER FOR 4 MONTHS IN BFA S1 AND C TIER FOR 4 YEARS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
More like 15 years, time to reroll buddy
I already know i lost against every sub rogue as a feral :-)
Yes but you are also bad
Yeah doing less damage because of spec means being bad :-)
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I use to main rogue.. switch to DH to play some viable comps with friends. I can tell you now.. DH is stronger in SL. Borrowed power was/is OP. Fuck do u see what assass/feral/survival does with borrowed power? Imo DH received more kit and this meta does not take in account scaling. And this is based on level 50 aswel
why do the specs differ so much in capabilities in pvp unreal. im having a hard time understanding the arguments to which they uphold their inability to make a mold threshhold each spec need to uphold.
RIP Gargoyle....
As per disc this could all change by tmrw
True but I honestly think disc is still #1 pvp healer. Maybe 2nd
@@bigdaddygibbs251 still?
were they the best on beta earlier or what do you mean?
im fairly sure rdruid has been the long reigning king throughout the entire beta so far?
heals to full with one regro, barely has to use mana, etc.
anytime i see a disc, they have the exact same issue that never makes them the all around best healer; their mana and actual healing output.
granted, healing output seems better in SL, they still go oom before a rdruid has even lost 5% of his mana currently.
Blizz just give Rets the WOD Gameplay and id even reroll back. that was just so good. Blizzard should listen more to community, at this point we just know better...
Haha no we don't. A lot of the problems that we have was because blizzard listened to specific people in the community.
@@johnsteward8325 this comment is not true. What are you talking?
overwatch for warriors gives ally and the warrior spell reflect, tooltip is misleading.
Edit: also miss-shapen mirror legendary is op
most of the things that make sub so strong atm are bugs. pretty sure after all of them are fixed they wont be s anymore :D