I never thought anything would mess with me and then I got shot up and it took 4 or 5 hours to get any help under constant fire and I’ve still got issues with it. Laying there bleeding for hours and 4 of my squad mates are dead all around me. 3 of us still alive and then 3 more of the element dead in the rear and they’re all my bros. It messes with my mind. We were 22 and thought we were invisible
thats the point of asking questions and wanting answers. people too often want instant gratification and to interject their opinions on others. just sit there and listen
SERE for our USMC recon platoon was f’n brutal. That two weeks on North Island was the single hardest training I’ve ever experienced. It was a mental challenge. The physical part We were all pretty convinced on our badassery by then.
This interviewer is incredible! Well Done! Brent is a SOF Legend, and he is Brilliant... If you are captured, your life is more important than anything in this World. Look at the Withdraw from Afghanistan, the US Government doesn't give a shit... don't die for them...
My husband taught me code of conduct. He was Navy. He scored very low on the rating exam. I said no way. You’re gonna ace this next one. Told him not even to come home if you haven’t studied. For the unclass stuff he made a around a thousand index cards. Mostly from him and others data dumping from questions on the test and searching in their publications for the answer. The code of conduct came up while I would ask him questions from his index cards. And he told me awesome sere stories. Both of history but also his experience. Also his little marine pilot that chose him as a partner and asked him to sleep in her sleeping bag to keep warm up in maine😂 I don’t think his sere was delta level. But the mental toughness. Jesus. And they did say they went harder on him because he was in a job unlike the typical aviators and such.
USAF SERE Specialist, C Level is the highest level for warfighters. Aircrew, SOF, other high risk of capture personnel. A & B is for personnel who do no go "behind enemy" basically.
@@DavidLLambertmobileI read a book, I forget. It was made into a movie. But jesus. Unbroken actually. But my husband being someone who went through sere. Also, one of his bosses friends was detained by china. I would quiz him to study for his promotion exam and code of conduct and sere questions were in there. He would tell me history or his own experience which he thought was fun and I think his sere experience was actually hilarious because this pilot chose him as partner who was attracted to him😂
Here's the thing about torture. EVERYBODY eventually breaks. The key is, to hold out long enough to give those who haven't been captured yet, or the intel folks in the field enough time to disappear or regroup. So when you DO break and give them what they want, you've minimized the damage done to your side and people.
I ran the coms for a couple SERE schools in the Uwharrie national forest along with a couple other guys from the 82nd airborne. Never went through it myself, but I had a unique insight into what was going on behind the scenes.
I agree SERE C was the best training I never want to go through again.....and yeah they'll eventually break you. Its humbling and puts your life and your service into perspective. You find out who you are as a man in SERE.
Had a similar experience to this guy. I was getting interrogated by a female. She slapped me and I smirked involuntarily. Didn't mean to but she saw it. She stepped out, came back with an absolute unit of a 6'4" summbitch who wasted no more steps than he needed to get to me, planted his hand across the entire right side of my head, and moved me a few feet to the left. It hurt so bad and I was dazed
Yeah, I was prepped early on in life by my 6’4” dad what an open hand can do. It’s a different pain from dad, never understood why he would do it, in school it was something I excepted, like you wrote, I was seeing birds fly around. As bad as he was, it made many of schools easier.
@@Rubeless My father was a Marine DI, did 2 tours in vietnam, laos and cambodia back in the early years. ANyway, he was big into physcoligical shit with me. He had absolute control over me until I turned about 16. And then I just snapped and broke free. When he died, I found boxes of audio tapes that were recordings of every phone call I made from the land line in my room. He had rigged up a recording device to catch all the calls. He was always 1 step ahead of me. I honestly wasn't surprised. I miss that bastard.
@@MegaJcamp My mom would use the back of her hand but whip it like she was snapping a bath towel and hit me with her knuckles. Might as well have fucking punched me in the mouth. You gotta love them hillbilly parenting skills!
he's roughly right about SERE-C. The resistance unit gets expanded a bit, timelines get extended. The one that points out to everyone is the use of physical force that we're allowed to use. Open handed hitting/slapping is about as far as you can go in that direction though. Other directions that you can go are things like making them be in a constant pool of shallow water with a fan on, constant noise (babys crying, women screaming), put them in situations where they might get abraded (run through this bush) and then have them lie in that same shallow water, "darkness therapy", small space confinement (coffin on a table with a tube), insects at night time, etc.
I went to the more basic SERE school that was a week long as a Marine. Man, they know how to f with you even in that toned down version. They do have some "body contact" (nothing more than your big brother would do to you) and stress positions for you and your friends. It's easy for me to take a hit, but not easy watching your friend take the heat until you comply. It's amazing how quickly survival instincts kick in even in a controlled environment. You learn a lot about yourself when you're handcuffed hearing others get slapped around a bit.
In the UK, we have the same naming for sere classes, A to C. They relate to the type of activity you will perform (and perhaps these metrics mentioned are a factor). SERE lvl c is broken into 2. I did lvl C, with Path Finders, 42 Commandos (marines) and Pilots. Was brutal, but our time under “interrogation” was only 18 hours, within a 3 week course that teaches you all the survival elements. The “Tier 1” part (SAS, SBS, SRR and SCFC) is 3 weeks, with 36 plus hours under “interrogation”, yet I’m sure it’s longer if they get caught early. We also have different SERE schools for geographical circumstances such as Desert and water SERE schools. Cool
There is another version SERE school for other members of the DoD community that is modeled after the military version. The only difference is, it's in an urban environment vice evading in the bush.
The greatest mind trick ever pulled on me was hearing and quote “don’t worry about a job we’ll get you one” to a year later no job and no savings left well played.
I am a SERE instructor and what Brent said is true. I always used to tell the soldier at the end of the course this: BE PREPARED with a story regardless of the rank you have and the unit you are in. That way, the process of being interrogated is smoother for you. You will not get beaten as much or treated as poorly (not guaranteed but highly likely). It could save your life, so do it.
Thank you for posting this clip this makes me questioning what I am willing to die for in a good way is it a worth dying your shoes,chain no gave them your shoes or chain.
I worked at JPRA HQ for a year. During that time, I got to be good friends with some of the people that develop the doctrine behind SERE training. They taught me that the SERE training was not about finding the tough guys in a unit. Nor is it about trying to make people quit. It is about teaching everyone that we ALL have a breaking point. The harsh training tempers the spirit of those who may find themselves in the worst situations. Knowing how bad it can be can help us be better when it gets that bad.
Former SERE Instructor here. Two things; 1st, as instructors we had to go through a LOT worse before we were checked out to deal with trainees. 2nd, there is no such thing as John Wayne. Also, just like the torture program, just 'cuz the rule says one thing doesn't mean there'll always be someone there to enforce them. The god & flag BS will get you needlessly dead. I was raised on it, and it's all BS. The focus is to survive 1st and last, PERIOD! And until you've been a war prisoner you are in no position to judge anyone who has. The training is severe, but it works.
I want to know what they do to the females. I went through in 95’, so none that I know of did, but could imagine the first thing a female would go through if she were captured.
They always say it”It’s the wright guy that makes it”. I never got that until damn near after I left the military. My last deployment opened my eyes to that. Sangin was no joke.
What he said was deep. On the other hand a lot of keyboard warrior and people that were never in that situation shit on you because they say I would have died and taken the ultimate "L". Prime example are the Sailors that were caught by the Iranians. They were given shit when they returned because they were forced on camera and did less extreme, but humiliating things to deface their service to the country. People don't know. That's why SOF because they are elite...not really physically but SOF aren't the most physically guys in the world, however mentally they are very strong. That's where the real muscle is...in the mind. Not many people are strong in the most important muscle the mind and heart.
Be interesting if you could get a guest on that could speak to the role of monarch mind programming utilized in special forces particularly delta force
You’re on the right track BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “MONARCH”. Artichoke/Bluebird/Chatter/MKUltra/MKOften/MKNaomi - all real, documented programs. Find something besides Vigilant Citizen to learn from.
I’m not going to lie: I feel humbled and extremely stupid having listened to this man. I realise what a cocky little ass I was back in school. I once Ran BACK to a fob in Afghan to retrieve a flag (Union Jack) that we had left behind. We were extracting the fob, I won’t lie I was calling the “REME” that had been manning it, “pussies” Because they now caused my patrol to go 30miles off course and waste 2 days to go “rescue” Them from a malignant fob. Being fired at by a two guys on a moped from time to time. But they were calling it in as “direct fire- taking direct fire” - for the non military amongst us means you’re being accurately fired upon and you cannot return. (I know it sounds obvious but the last part is the important part it implies that you need back up-at least most often) Ah.. as I read what I typed I feel my old angry emotions coming back I have learned nothing 😂 damn REMFS!!! Ok I won’t lie I got in a lot of trouble for this. Got pushed back a year etc etc… I knew one of them personally from outside the army but I didn’t know that til I arrived. A strange moment… small world all that. I never liked him. He was older than me and made fun of me going into the paras “you’ll never cut that hahahaha etc” so it was pretty ironic that 10years later I’m leading a group on quads to go rescue him and his mates in their overturned wagon who failed to leave the fob, failed to secure a perimeter afterward, failed to radio those deets in…. Etc etc… But anyway back to the point. After we had dealt with the “VESPA BANDIT” as we called him. We were extracting the reme’s and had them lay charges so that it couldn’t be captured after (as I say we were extracting and whilst redundant to us it would be a good staging area for our pursuing would be captors) But as we rode away there was no bang. I radiod for the main reme corporal to come and talk to me. “Erm im sorry we didn’t have time” (He should have then said my rank but whatever by this point I’m ready to throw this guy to Tommy) I let out a massive sigh. Everyone asked what. Passed that on. I then requested a halt and for cover as I returned to the fob. As I got closer I see it’s taking fire. They closing in. Me dumbass climbed a dangerous one to get the flag “in case the enemy get it”. Almost got shot twice at least. Flag is still in my locker. Frayed edges…. Bit like myself. There’s a lot more in that story but I feel like I just realised something about myself so please excuse me. I think I have a couple of apologies to make… one is to the man in the mirror and another…. 🫡✌️
I have personally found out what its like to be thrown in a locked box barely big enough to fit you in it, standing up in only your boots, with loud music and people screaming like they're being tortured being played on audio for several days being unable to sleep or sit/lay down....oh yes....good times...
I actually took micro naps in that box. Woke up every 20 seconds when they beat on the side to sound off with my SSN or war criminal number, hoping I said the correct one.
@@chrisburke624 Tu lam was unit support homie.. not direct support, not an operator. Which he claimed he was initially. He also came from 1st grp, where everyone thought he was a loser too.
Man that brings back memories. USN aircrew (war criminal number 80) SERE, Brunswick, ME, November 1989. Before you go, you tell yourself "What can they do to me, the school is only a week long." That school is structured to tax you mentally and physically to your limits, without respite. The one school in the Navy I got the most from, and never wanted to go back to. I kept my SERE graduation certificate in a safety deposit box in case the USN ever told me they lost my service record and I had to go back!😆
Please remember that the enemy is always the enemy. There is NO GUARANTEE that they will EVER keep their end of ANY bargain. They may tell you that the torture will stop IF you just “break” and do what they demand. REAL CAPTORS have the power to continue the torture even after you break. There are no “deals” that you can count on, ever. In a school setting, you already know it has an end date and that ultimately the instructors are really on your side. Never forget that.
we did a modified SERE school in little creek VA before deployment ... being hog tied and handcuffed with a corpsman and only having one hour to escape out of a 6x4 was good enough for me 🤣
I went to sere when I was in 2nd Recon Marines. They paired us up in two man teams and we were to go hide in the woods and they captured us. Yes, they broke 2 fingers on my left hand and closed fist punched me several times. I went through im 2004 that may have been earlier than yourself
Nope, try again. We would never say we were in 2nd recon marines. Maybe a recon guy broke two of your fingers because you tried buying his girl a drink.
There are 17 different SERE courses. He’s generally correct though. You end up with 17 different courses by combination of different skill sets incorporated. For instance, you can take SERE C and add an additional skill to it and now it’s called SERE “add name” by DOD. Fun fact the Air Force have a heavy hand in a lot of these courses.
I’ve felt this way my entire life, and I’ve been involved with SERE, I would far rather be punched than be slapped. Slapping can hurt just as much but is demeaning.
Bro what... how is this guy saying that watching your friend (and if you're in SERE school by now, you've had some rough experiences together) get more or less tortured is anywhere near the same as just setting a piece of cloth on fire. It's a test, pass the test. Do you stand for your brothers and your country or do you care too much about some flag to get him out of a bad situation.
It was a joke. A joke first told by Chris Rock. Trump repeated it and it was brilliant because McCain was an arrogant twat who never let people forget about his heroics in the Hanoi Hilton, while trying his best to appear humble while he was actually extremely vindictive and self-righteous. People were sick and tired of McCain's holding over every one's head that being a hero made him morally superior and in his mind correct in his political positions. McCain was the one who had no respect for others. When Trump poked fun at him, and followed by saying he had full respect for him, by just poking at him he tapped into the anger that McCain engendered by a half decade of this behavior. Humor is a tool that breaks the self-righteous, who are humorless.
Just as BASIC has changed a LOT since Vietnam, so too has SERE, dramatically. Coming from old school SERE Instructorship, I became great friends w/ a retired Command Segeant Major who taught at their NCO Academy, and who had barely survived several deployments that left him w/ a whole list of souvenirs. I was truly shocked at just how much things had changed though, so to folks trying to judge, if you ain't walked that proverbial mile, then please just stfu and appreciate the fact that there are people who have.
Pretty much mirrored my experience,..except once we got tired of waiting to get captured(evasion) we walked up to the truck and the first guy picked me up, shook me like a ragdoll and threw me 8 feet..(he was white 6 4' and I could smell his coffee breath!)-they bagged us and took us to reisistance phase(which we all wanted to start-to be done). I prepped by reading and watching Bravo-2-0,.The ending of sere is classified for a reason. I had some good times in SERE. (IYKYK--hearing people SNAP after 3 hours of hearing a countdown and then it abrupty stopping was funny, and the song about dow chemical, the screams ect). I got slap-fucked up for not polishing an army captains boots, stealing items to make a weapon, got hosed down for singing the airforce song with expletives NON-STOP!, slapped again when I "cried" during interrogation(psyc!!!)and then immediatly laughed at the folks monitoring(hats off to Bravo 2-0!). oh yeah good times!
The Flag will get it ,the true Warrior will do whatever it takes to get back in the fight burning a flag would be easy money for Brit SF Candidates tbh,time off 😂 Most SAS/SBS guys on "Selection" won't give the 1st flying fxxk about a flag ,it'll be about I want that Sandy Beret with the Winged Dagger & the Stable belt ....one of the boys etc etc 😂
@@marshalllapenta7656 eff no! First Amendment protects us, not some colored cloth. The gambit is in getting people to die for it. I used to get goose bumps just looking at it, and then one day I saw that POS gump humping it... between that and him always piling a hundred of them behind him in every frame I can't stand the sight of it now.
Babies crying, women screeching, whatever. Take whatever is the #1 pop song in America and play it over and over and over for hours. Just imagine any song from Britney Spears or Taylor Swift played over and over and over. I will tell you anything you want to make it stop.
Exactly.... so this 6"6 man who is already your instructor... meaning he has been through what you have been through....and he is able to dam near knock you unconscious with his open hand.... NOW YOU WANT TO FIGHT HIM USING CLOSE FISTS....OK!
I never thought anything would mess with me and then I got shot up and it took 4 or 5 hours to get any help under constant fire and I’ve still got issues with it. Laying there bleeding for hours and 4 of my squad mates are dead all around me. 3 of us still alive and then 3 more of the element dead in the rear and they’re all my bros. It messes with my mind. We were 22 and thought we were invisible
Thank you for your service, also youre a great guitar player
I'm glad you survived brother.
No words can express our debt and gratitude to you and your brothers
being invisible has its ups and downs I suppose
I love you bro
I appreciate the interviewer not interrupting this man.
That’s why Shawn Ryan is so popular
Beautifully said.
Rogan would have been telling him he was wrong….. ha
@@blarose79 Naaaah, he would have somehow introduced chimps and DMT in it.
thats the point of asking questions and wanting answers. people too often want instant gratification and to interject their opinions on others. just sit there and listen
One thing I learned at SERE: “The American flag in the hands of the enemy, is no longer the American flag.” Thus, like he said, “It’s just threads.”
I still ain’t step on it tho 😂
Going on any social media leaving comments of what you may or may not have done is lame asf
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That was also my biggest take away from SERE.
Brent was able to really articulate the extremes of the situation on your podcast. Nice job.
SERE for our USMC recon platoon was f’n brutal. That two weeks on North Island was the single hardest training I’ve ever experienced. It was a mental challenge. The physical part We were all pretty convinced on our badassery by then.
Excellent info. Although most people will never be in those situations, probably good for everyone to hear and think about. Appreciate you both.
Appreciate you watching!
This interviewer is incredible! Well Done!
Brent is a SOF Legend, and he is Brilliant... If you are captured, your life is more important than anything in this World. Look at the Withdraw from Afghanistan, the US Government doesn't give a shit... don't die for them...
My husband taught me code of conduct. He was Navy. He scored very low on the rating exam. I said no way. You’re gonna ace this next one. Told him not even to come home if you haven’t studied. For the unclass stuff he made a around a thousand index cards. Mostly from him and others data dumping from questions on the test and searching in their publications for the answer. The code of conduct came up while I would ask him questions from his index cards. And he told me awesome sere stories. Both of history but also his experience. Also his little marine pilot that chose him as a partner and asked him to sleep in her sleeping bag to keep warm up in maine😂 I don’t think his sere was delta level. But the mental toughness. Jesus. And they did say they went harder on him because he was in a job unlike the typical aviators and such.
Thank you for your service. 🇺🇸
Holy shit that was deep there at the end. I’ve gotta let that one marinate before I watch anymore.
USAF SERE Specialist, C Level is the highest level for warfighters. Aircrew, SOF, other high risk of capture personnel. A & B is for personnel who do no go "behind enemy" basically.
Col James Nick Rowe Army SF helped T&E Army SERE. His non fiction book is 📚 excellent. 5yr POW 🇻🇳 ...
No shit, why do you think it’s at camp Rowe
@HWG-wm8ld why be mean 🙄
@@DavidLLambertmobileI read a book, I forget. It was made into a movie. But jesus. Unbroken actually. But my husband being someone who went through sere. Also, one of his bosses friends was detained by china. I would quiz him to study for his promotion exam and code of conduct and sere questions were in there. He would tell me history or his own experience which he thought was fun and I think his sere experience was actually hilarious because this pilot chose him as partner who was attracted to him😂
Here's the thing about torture. EVERYBODY eventually breaks. The key is, to hold out long enough to give those who haven't been captured yet, or the intel folks in the field enough time to disappear or regroup. So when you DO break and give them what they want, you've minimized the damage done to your side and people.
Not everyone breaks, unfortunately some die before then.
@@triniboy05can’t get more broken than dead
@@douglasrodenbach8000 true, physically, but, no information provided can be beneficial though not the outcome desired.
@@triniboy05that's true. IRA guys would literally starve themselves to death just to make a point. Some people are unbreakable.
@@Hiberno_sperg yup. I pray I never have to be in the position, but also hope I’m prepared spiritually and physically to be that strong.
I ran the coms for a couple SERE schools in the Uwharrie national forest along with a couple other guys from the 82nd airborne. Never went through it myself, but I had a unique insight into what was going on behind the scenes.
I agree SERE C was the best training I never want to go through again.....and yeah they'll eventually break you. Its humbling and puts your life and your service into perspective. You find out who you are as a man in SERE.
Had a similar experience to this guy. I was getting interrogated by a female. She slapped me and I smirked involuntarily. Didn't mean to but she saw it. She stepped out, came back with an absolute unit of a 6'4" summbitch who wasted no more steps than he needed to get to me, planted his hand across the entire right side of my head, and moved me a few feet to the left. It hurt so bad and I was dazed
Yeah, I was prepped early on in life by my 6’4” dad what an open hand can do. It’s a different pain from dad, never understood why he would do it, in school it was something I excepted, like you wrote, I was seeing birds fly around. As bad as he was, it made many of schools easier.
Funny, my pops loved the back hand slap.
@@Rubeless My father was a Marine DI, did 2 tours in vietnam, laos and cambodia back in the early years. ANyway, he was big into physcoligical shit with me. He had absolute control over me until I turned about 16. And then I just snapped and broke free. When he died, I found boxes of audio tapes that were recordings of every phone call I made from the land line in my room. He had rigged up a recording device to catch all the calls. He was always 1 step ahead of me. I honestly wasn't surprised. I miss that bastard.
@@MegaJcamp My mom would use the back of her hand but whip it like she was snapping a bath towel and hit me with her knuckles. Might as well have fucking punched me in the mouth. You gotta love them hillbilly parenting skills!
The SERE on SEAL team was pretty fucking crazy and pretty accurate
The TV show?
@@DaltonFischerPodcastcorrect
i concur pretty accurate then him being selected by the team that wanted him was pretty dope
he's roughly right about SERE-C. The resistance unit gets expanded a bit, timelines get extended. The one that points out to everyone is the use of physical force that we're allowed to use. Open handed hitting/slapping is about as far as you can go in that direction though. Other directions that you can go are things like making them be in a constant pool of shallow water with a fan on, constant noise (babys crying, women screaming), put them in situations where they might get abraded (run through this bush) and then have them lie in that same shallow water, "darkness therapy", small space confinement (coffin on a table with a tube), insects at night time, etc.
That song, the boots, I still can't listen to!
You can hit someone hard as heck with an open hand too.
They do the icee barrel?
@@sugewhitejacoby8654if I ever hear that stupid song again.
There’s no discharge in the war.
I went to the more basic SERE school that was a week long as a Marine. Man, they know how to f with you even in that toned down version. They do have some "body contact" (nothing more than your big brother would do to you) and stress positions for you and your friends. It's easy for me to take a hit, but not easy watching your friend take the heat until you comply. It's amazing how quickly survival instincts kick in even in a controlled environment. You learn a lot about yourself when you're handcuffed hearing others get slapped around a bit.
In the UK, we have the same naming for sere classes, A to C. They relate to the type of activity you will perform (and perhaps these metrics mentioned are a factor). SERE lvl c is broken into 2. I did lvl C, with Path Finders, 42 Commandos (marines) and Pilots. Was brutal, but our time under “interrogation” was only 18 hours, within a 3 week course that teaches you all the survival elements.
The “Tier 1” part (SAS, SBS, SRR and SCFC) is 3 weeks, with 36 plus hours under “interrogation”, yet I’m sure it’s longer if they get caught early.
We also have different SERE schools for geographical circumstances such as Desert and water SERE schools.
Cool
I thought they made the trainees sign NDAs. how is this guy giving out all the sauce😂
Only good for so many years. I did the 5 day goat coarse, the nda i signed had an expiration
He ain’t giving out shit brotha… that’s the basic of info he elaborated on. What you think they knitting pull overs. 🍕
The mind games we played on students were worse than any physical pain we could/would deliver to a singular student.
you were a level C instructor?
@@johndang887was he f@ck
Your pants are on fire bro
Love your interview style… Shawn Ryan but dare I say better. Really hope you see success.
Haha I don't think I'm there yet but I appreciate that compliment!
There is another version SERE school for other members of the DoD community that is modeled after the military version. The only difference is, it's in an urban environment vice evading in the bush.
The greatest mind trick ever pulled on me was hearing and quote “don’t worry about a job we’ll get you one” to a year later no job and no savings left well played.
I was taught to compartmentalize everything to survive to make it home. Sere school was so amazing
Former Navy Aircewman Warner Springs 2006. One of the greatest schools I ever did. Lost 15lbs in a week !
I am a SERE instructor and what Brent said is true. I always used to tell the soldier at the end of the course this: BE PREPARED with a story regardless of the rank you have and the unit you are in. That way, the process of being interrogated is smoother for you. You will not get beaten as much or treated as poorly (not guaranteed but highly likely). It could save your life, so do it.
When he said it might as well have been a closed hand i laughed😂😂😂
I should rewarch this with a cup of pine needle tea. For Pineland!
Thank you for posting this clip this makes me questioning what I am willing to die for in a good way is it a worth dying your shoes,chain no gave them your shoes or chain.
Ohhh, good ole Chaos. That hand wraps around your head and snaps the other side.
10:51 “then of course it’s training so the helicopter takes off” most real statement ever
holly shit men!! unreal , thank you.
I worked at JPRA HQ for a year.
During that time, I got to be good friends with some of the people that develop the doctrine behind SERE training.
They taught me that the SERE training was not about finding the tough guys in a unit. Nor is it about trying to make people quit.
It is about teaching everyone that we ALL have a breaking point.
The harsh training tempers the spirit of those who may find themselves in the worst situations. Knowing how bad it can be can help us be better when it gets that bad.
Yep, and seeing dudes that would kick my ass quit was big motivation.
I’m curious as to how different the SERE is for guys going to CAG.
scenario based training is the difference. Pilot, vs infantry vs SOF. Scenario based
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Former SERE Instructor here. Two things; 1st, as instructors we had to go through a LOT worse before we were checked out to deal with trainees. 2nd, there is no such thing as John Wayne.
Also, just like the torture program, just 'cuz the rule says one thing doesn't mean there'll always be someone there to enforce them. The god & flag BS will get you needlessly dead. I was raised on it, and it's all BS. The focus is to survive 1st and last, PERIOD! And until you've been a war prisoner you are in no position to judge anyone who has. The training is severe, but it works.
RIP Col James Nick Rowe, SF ... he was a POW for 5yr. He helped R&D the SERE training.
I want to know what they do to the females. I went through in 95’, so none that I know of did, but could imagine the first thing a female would go through if she were captured.
I feel validated after reading your flag comment.
Confused about the 30 degrees thing until I realised he wasn't talking about Celsius. I thought it was sounding very pleasant.
They always say it”It’s the wright guy that makes it”. I never got that until damn near after I left the military. My last deployment opened my eyes to that. Sangin was no joke.
What he said was deep. On the other hand a lot of keyboard warrior and people that were never in that situation shit on you because they say I would have died and taken the ultimate "L". Prime example are the Sailors that were caught by the Iranians. They were given shit when they returned because they were forced on camera and did less extreme, but humiliating things to deface their service to the country. People don't know. That's why SOF because they are elite...not really physically but SOF aren't the most physically guys in the world, however mentally they are very strong. That's where the real muscle is...in the mind. Not many people are strong in the most important muscle the mind and heart.
Be interesting if you could get a guest on that could speak to the role of monarch mind programming utilized in special forces particularly delta force
You’re on the right track BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “MONARCH”. Artichoke/Bluebird/Chatter/MKUltra/MKOften/MKNaomi - all real, documented programs. Find something besides Vigilant Citizen to learn from.
I’m not going to lie: I feel humbled and extremely stupid having listened to this man.
I realise what a cocky little ass I was back in school.
I once Ran BACK to a fob in Afghan to retrieve a flag (Union Jack) that we had left behind. We were extracting the fob, I won’t lie I was calling the “REME” that had been manning it, “pussies”
Because they now caused my patrol to go 30miles off course and waste 2 days to go “rescue”
Them from a malignant fob. Being fired at by a two guys on a moped from time to time. But they were calling it in as “direct fire- taking direct fire” - for the non military amongst us means you’re being accurately fired upon and you cannot return.
(I know it sounds obvious but the last part is the important part it implies that you need back up-at least most often)
Ah.. as I read what I typed I feel my old angry emotions coming back I have learned nothing 😂 damn REMFS!!! Ok I won’t lie I got in a lot of trouble for this. Got pushed back a year etc etc…
I knew one of them personally from outside the army but I didn’t know that til I arrived. A strange moment… small world all that. I never liked him. He was older than me and made fun of me going into the paras “you’ll never cut that hahahaha etc” so it was pretty ironic that 10years later I’m leading a group on quads to go rescue him and his mates in their overturned wagon who failed to leave the fob, failed to secure a perimeter afterward, failed to radio those deets in…. Etc etc…
But anyway back to the point.
After we had dealt with the “VESPA BANDIT” as we called him. We were extracting the reme’s and had them lay charges so that it couldn’t be captured after (as I say we were extracting and whilst redundant to us it would be a good staging area for our pursuing would be captors)
But as we rode away there was no bang. I radiod for the main reme corporal to come and talk to me. “Erm im sorry we didn’t have time”
(He should have then said my rank but whatever by this point I’m ready to throw this guy to Tommy)
I let out a massive sigh. Everyone asked what. Passed that on. I then requested a halt and for cover as I returned to the fob. As I got closer I see it’s taking fire. They closing in.
Me dumbass climbed a dangerous one to get the flag “in case the enemy get it”.
Almost got shot twice at least.
Flag is still in my locker. Frayed edges…. Bit like myself.
There’s a lot more in that story but I feel like I just realised something about myself so please excuse me. I think I have a couple of apologies to make… one is to the man in the mirror and another….
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Cool story bro
Sounds like seal storytelling
I have personally found out what its like to be thrown in a locked box barely big enough to fit you in it, standing up in only your boots, with loud music and people screaming like they're being tortured being played on audio for several days being unable to sleep or sit/lay down....oh yes....good times...
By the way, you can only hold your piss and shit for so long...then you get punished for making a mess... lol
You can’t stand or sit in that box. Get it straight next time
I actually took micro naps in that box. Woke up every 20 seconds when they beat on the side to sound off with my SSN or war criminal number, hoping I said the correct one.
@@Rubeless and pray you don't have to shit
@@TheEdgeLordwow man they did this in training? i didn’t realize it was that intense
There’s actually a SERE level D school but very guys go to it. I remember Tu Lam talking about it
Ummm…. Nah. If your’re thinking of 400, ok. If you don’t know what 400 is- it’s that second one he says he went to.
No
Tu lam is a poser
@joelr456 No, he isn't. He was in the unit, it's been verified many times over
@@chrisburke624 Tu lam was unit support homie.. not direct support, not an operator. Which he claimed he was initially. He also came from 1st grp, where everyone thought he was a loser too.
God bless these iron men that prepare mind and body to do a job that few can.
SOF guys definitely have ptsd... I am scared to death of flying commercial without a parachute😮💨
thank you
Really good clip
Glad you liked it
Boots, boots moving up and down again.
Man that brings back memories. USN aircrew (war criminal number 80) SERE, Brunswick, ME, November 1989. Before you go, you tell yourself "What can they do to me, the school is only a week long." That school is structured to tax you mentally and physically to your limits, without respite. The one school in the Navy I got the most from, and never wanted to go back to.
I kept my SERE graduation certificate in a safety deposit box in case the USN ever told me they lost my service record and I had to go back!😆
Awesome video man❤
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Please remember that the enemy is always the enemy. There is NO GUARANTEE that they will EVER keep their end of ANY bargain. They may tell you that the torture will stop IF you just “break” and do what they demand. REAL CAPTORS have the power to continue the torture even after you break. There are no “deals” that you can count on, ever. In a school setting, you already know it has an end date and that ultimately the instructors are really on your side. Never forget that.
I mer a guy from Geronimo who was an instructor. Scary shit.
we did a modified SERE school in little creek VA before deployment ... being hog tied and handcuffed with a corpsman and only having one hour to escape out of a 6x4 was good enough for me 🤣
Anyone know what brand jacket it is that he's wearing?
I’m in SERE marriage. I get intense mind games daily.
I went to sere when I was in 2nd Recon Marines. They paired us up in two man teams and we were to go hide in the woods and they captured us. Yes, they broke 2 fingers on my left hand and closed fist punched me several times. I went through im 2004 that may have been earlier than yourself
Nope, try again. We would never say we were in 2nd recon marines. Maybe a recon guy broke two of your fingers because you tried buying his girl a drink.
It hurts. But, we learn.
There are 17 different SERE courses. He’s generally correct though. You end up with 17 different courses by combination of different skill sets incorporated. For instance, you can take SERE C and add an additional skill to it and now it’s called SERE “add name” by DOD. Fun fact the Air Force have a heavy hand in a lot of these courses.
Lame
Col James Nick Rowe a Army SF officer helped R&D the modern SERE course. Rowe was a POW, 5yr SE Asia 🇻🇳
Probably because they have a lot of pilots. And its much more likely they could end up shot down alone and behind enemy lines all by themselves
At the end when they raise the flag, there's not one man who isn't absolutely balling. Awesome feeling.
30+ years ago and I still have a hard time telling that part of the story without choking up big time. Great School.
this dude must have gone to SERE before before NDA's were a thing
I’ve felt this way my entire life, and I’ve been involved with SERE, I would far rather be punched than be slapped.
Slapping can hurt just as much but is demeaning.
Long time ago in Canada was called E&E, Escape & Evasion. Brutal, painful and Class AA mind-fuck in the middle of winter. Everyone breaks.
I really like Brent, but I just think this stuff shouldn’t be talked about.
I think it should it’s just enough to let u know how bad ass they are
First time here loved the video!
Thanks for watching!
I want to sign just listening to this lol
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We just call it extreme camping on san Clemente with the boys
Lol
I’m curious what response they are looking for in training if they ask you to burn the flag. It’s obviously a test
what make is his jacket? i want to get it.
Anyone know what jacket he’s wearing?
The “music” they play is called, Gamelan.
I’m surprised he’s allowed to talk about this.
SERE should be mandatory for all SF SELECTION COURSES for those who pass selection!
It is
Bro what... how is this guy saying that watching your friend (and if you're in SERE school by now, you've had some rough experiences together) get more or less tortured is anywhere near the same as just setting a piece of cloth on fire. It's a test, pass the test. Do you stand for your brothers and your country or do you care too much about some flag to get him out of a bad situation.
I wonder what year this guy went through.. 06 for me and i think flannel daddy was an instructor there then too
I hate when there's no right choice lol
"I like people who aren't capture". That's a quote by somebody but I cant remember who.
It was a joke. A joke first told by Chris Rock. Trump repeated it and it was brilliant because McCain was an arrogant twat who never let people forget about his heroics in the Hanoi Hilton, while trying his best to appear humble while he was actually extremely vindictive and self-righteous. People were sick and tired of McCain's holding over every one's head that being a hero made him morally superior and in his mind correct in his political positions. McCain was the one who had no respect for others. When Trump poked fun at him, and followed by saying he had full respect for him, by just poking at him he tapped into the anger that McCain engendered by a half decade of this behavior. Humor is a tool that breaks the self-righteous, who are humorless.
@@5metoo whatever makes you sleep better at night bud
@@fruitingfungi - The truth makes me sleep at night. I verify things people tell me. It's not hard. But whatever makes you sleep better at night bud.
@@5metooimagine shitting on McCain because he didn’t like Trump…Trump didn’t have the stones to serve one day in the military
@@5metooignore the cry baby neo con/libs they have no clue what they’re talking about and choose ignorance
Stay Strong Yall
I just checked. Amazon can deliver a new flag pretty much anywhere in 24-48 hours.
I had a buddy who worked at the SERE school for the Q. I asked him to hit me with one of those open hand slaps. It feels like getting punched lol
Also battalion colors 💯
So basically one has to be a divinely patriotic and/or psychopathic in addition to all the other prerequisites to get to the apex tier?
SERE school sucked real bad. I did learn some very good things about survival. But I would never do it again knowing what I know.
Wimp
Just as BASIC has changed a LOT since Vietnam, so too has SERE, dramatically. Coming from old school SERE Instructorship, I became great friends w/ a retired Command Segeant Major who taught at their NCO Academy, and who had barely survived several deployments that left him w/ a whole list of souvenirs. I was truly shocked at just how much things had changed though, so to folks trying to judge, if you ain't walked that proverbial mile, then please just stfu and appreciate the fact that there are people who have.
Col James Nick Rowe; Army SF helped R&D the modern SERE program 📂 ...
David, we get it, you read this someplace and are a simp.
Pretty much mirrored my experience,..except once we got tired of waiting to get captured(evasion) we walked up to the truck and the first guy picked me up, shook me like a ragdoll and threw me 8 feet..(he was white 6 4' and I could smell his coffee breath!)-they bagged us and took us to reisistance phase(which we all wanted to start-to be done). I prepped by reading and watching Bravo-2-0,.The ending of sere is classified for a reason. I had some good times in SERE. (IYKYK--hearing people SNAP after 3 hours of hearing a countdown and then it abrupty stopping was funny, and the song about dow chemical, the screams ect). I got slap-fucked up for not polishing an army captains boots, stealing items to make a weapon, got hosed down for singing the airforce song with expletives NON-STOP!, slapped again when I "cried" during interrogation(psyc!!!)and then immediatly laughed at the folks monitoring(hats off to Bravo 2-0!). oh yeah good times!
This room looks like SRS
Inspired by it!
I know it's a movie, but the Joker from The Dark Knight was right. As long as its "part of the plan", no one loses their mind.
That massive black guy has got to be Chaos he's talking about.
Anyone smacks me they're getting punched back... FACT
The american flag in the enemies hand is no longer the american flag
My dude I was abused as a child. Slaps aint shit. 😂😂😂
I've been through SERE. At the end of the day the most important thing as a pow is to stay alive
The Flag will get it ,the true Warrior will do whatever it takes to get back in the fight burning a flag would be easy money for Brit SF Candidates tbh,time off 😂
Most SAS/SBS guys on "Selection" won't give the 1st flying fxxk about a flag ,it'll be about I want that Sandy Beret with the Winged Dagger & the Stable belt ....one of the boys etc etc 😂
Even if you had an abusive girlfriend, what are the odds she was a 6'5" black guy
bro what😂
Ninja/commando got those guys
Boots boots boots
I bet they didn't break Goggins
Question?
Isn't Burning of the Flag against the law?
That specific location is an authorized flag burning location.
@@marshalllapenta7656 eff no! First Amendment protects us, not some colored cloth. The gambit is in getting people to die for it.
I used to get goose bumps just looking at it, and then one day I saw that POS gump humping it... between that and him always piling a hundred of them behind him in every frame I can't stand the sight of it now.
It’s protected under the first amendment
Sadly yes, it is legal. But do that shit in front of a veteran and see what happens
Ask Bas Rutten aka The Guvnor about Slaps 😂
I wonder if he knows who Matt Pranka is.
I've heard him mention Matt before
Babies crying, women screeching, whatever. Take whatever is the #1 pop song in America and play it over and over and over for hours. Just imagine any song from Britney Spears or Taylor Swift played over and over and over. I will tell you anything you want to make it stop.
O'Keefe Common
You can’t hit back?
Ok well you go and try that and see what happens. I will call your mother to break the news of your vegetable state.
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Exactly.... so this 6"6 man who is already your instructor... meaning he has been through what you have been through....and he is able to dam near knock you unconscious with his open hand.... NOW YOU WANT TO FIGHT HIM USING CLOSE FISTS....OK!
Chocolate Thunder!