I worry about my fellow United supporters😭. Like it’s always highly emotional reactions every single loss. How many managers do we need? I always speak like Laurence and get hammered for being realistic 💔
Man Utd fan here. Wasn’t panicking with the 1-0 to Fulham or the 2-1 loss to Brighton. There were some very fixable mistakes in both games. What you have to factor into this is that over the last 3 years Man Utd have lost to Liverpool 5-0, 4-2 and 3-0 at OT and 7-0 and 4-0 at Anfield. There is also a 2-1 and 4-3 wins at OT and a 0-0 draw at Anfield. So to summarise Man Utd have been mostly battered at home and away by Liverpool. If they win, it’s at home and it’s by 1 goal. That’s why Man Utd fans are justifiably upset. ETH was in charge for the 7-0 at Anfield. It was completely unacceptable. The team crumbled, and he has just took charge of another dominated performance. I was never Ten Hag out but I can’t see how you can put in such a terrible performance against your biggest rivals. Liverpool was splitting blood at their 1 goal defeats at OT. The reaction is 100% justified
The funny thing is when Man U win games tactics go through the window and fans start saying Ten Hag get it right and that game becomes the best game ever I think the fans adding to the team downfall
@@chrisfarquharson4203I can understand this sentiment. But it goes parallel with those calling ETH tactically clueless, which is just reductive and wrong. He’s given blueprints to how to stifle city. Similarly he’s shown tactics to how to handle Arsenals attack.
The video was him just rambling incoherently, especially from about minute 6 onwards. If we were to go along with what he said, Ten Hag would still be in a transitional season 10 years into the future just because one left back, or one central midfielder got injured. He's also made many mediocre signings and Zirkzee is the latest one that doesn't look like anything special.
He said we are in a transitional season. How long will we be in transition with ten Hag? 15 years? His signings have not been good enough either. It is early days but Zirkzee looks very mediocre too.
Man Utd fan here who has unsubbed from a certain channel because I know the next few weeks will be a deluge of fear and anger thumbnails: That opening minute was very lovely to hear. Thank you. It's nice for a non united fan to bring a little calm.
@@darkshibe2267i hate to say it but I unsubbed as well for a sec lol… I always defended them in the comments but I’m starting to see why people complain
Everyone is way too reactionary I thought all the people asking for Ten Hag in understood these kinds of results would come as our team has no experience playing a possession heavy system this is natural and the performance wasn’t bad just some silly mistakes cost us the game as Liverpool played with conviction hardly close to dominating we were the better side statistically
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invest in a proven clinical goalscorer. Hojlund has talent but he's a backup at best, Zirkzee is not a proper striker
Yeh toney seemed like a no brainer but hojlund hamstring has been an unfortunate hiccup. Rashford and Bruno are both experienced players who score goals, it’s on them to step up when we need goals.
The issue is that the club has been transitioning since Fergie left and never stopped because once we start getting bad results, the manager's gone and suddenly a new manager is in and we're going a completely new direction because there was no club structure with managers being the sporting and recruitment director as well. The transfer policy has been disastrous under Woodward and Arnold continuously overpaying for players and their wages while constantly chasing big name players but then panic buying at the end of the window when they can't get them, the overpaying for players. There have been numerous occasions were we missed out on young talent like Bellingham and Haaland because they couldn't provide a clear vision for these talents and look where they are now. This is INEOS' first season and they have brought in a club structure and a transfer policy with a clear vision that focuses on the future while being sensible about fees and wages, this is a rebuild on top of the first rebuild under Ten Hag and it needs time to cook, there will be more bad results and performances but once the team starts to properly gel we'll be back on track to get back to the top and this time I believe with the new management it will actually stick.
We had some pretty bad results last season and Ten Hag kept his job. We have just had another bad result. I’m not saying EtH should lose his job but we are seeing regression against Liverpool, not progression.
What gives you any faith that ten Hag is the right man to see the vision through? Because all I see is familiar failings and no attempt to really change anything other than personnel. I mean sure, we're not conceding 20+ shots a game this season, that's great, but we're also not scoring goals and we're making so many mistakes, every time we concede it feels as though the loss is inevitable. One step forward, two steps back. I cannot see how this ends in anything other than ten Hag's sacking.
@@BenMcManus The failings are familiar because the core missing pieces haven't been replaced, we still have Evans Maguire and Casemiro in the squad, making the risk of losing Licha and De Ligt the same threat, plus the horrible pre season planning that the club hasn't fixed yet. Old ones aren't good enough, and young players not close to complete yet, too few players with the required physicality and sharpness and having enough experience together. This is a proper start of a squad rebuild, and will take time and continuity.
@@rana1561 Then change something!! I can't accept losing so many games because the manager is too stubborn or not humble enough to do some introspection and look at the evidence that his ideas are consistently coming up short. Any fan will accept a rebuild if there's enough there to see that we're getting somewhere, I don't see it any more.
@@BenMcManus he's been compromising with his philosophy since day 1, remember those first few games where the team was incapable of building from the back, incapable of winning the ball back while pressing, incapable of holding the ball, incapable of pushing the rest defence line up confidently to close the gap, he spent the whole first making them play without a press, even had to give away the press last season, how long should he compromise because the club has left the squad profiles all over the place, I'd rather want him push his principles and keep exposing the rot in squad for the world to see, this is the true level of the squad, it's high time the players sink or swim. I think even ten Hag is tired of reverting to a setup a weaker side would implement when even the smaller clubs have managed to recruit players that can facilitate better physicality, pressing, hold up and positional discipline. Ten Hag is not scared of getting sacked because of a sub par squad, and i think even the newly hired experienced executives know how much behind the squad is, that's why instead of big signings they went for more number of replacements, and still find a lot of work left. The defeats will be necessary, because just to avoid too many losses, too many managers have been made scapegoats already in the club, not once the club worked on fixing the squad, INEOS has barely scratched the surface. Ten Hag was extracting performances in champions league with a side from a so called inferior league, but they refused to see the brute force needed to fix the inferior squad we have in process.
United are halfway through the open heart surgery Ragnick recommended as he was being fired, so it's all a bit of a mess. Ten Hag took over a shit show and is trying to build a winning side from that chaos. Sadly progress isn't linear and you get humbled by a far superior side like Liverpool occasionally, who were title contenders last season and are a well run club unlike United. Ten Hag might not be the guy but he deserves to at least have a fit starting 11 of players he chose to prove if he can progress to top 4 this season. 3 games in is a bit soon for folk to be calling for his head.
Didn’t expect to win but also didn’t expect to be dominated either. Man Utd held Liverpool at Anfield and beat them at OT in the FA Cup (score draw after 90 mins). Progress (despite the terrible time last season) was made against Liverpool and thrown away yesterday.
@@pratosaurusrex1128let’s be honest about the last years FA cup. United didn’t win it…Liverpool lost it. What we saw is what should have happened in the semi last year. You saw more control and game management from slot than klopp ever did.
@@Gunjack1440 yes and no to the FA cup match. Liverpool should have played better, sure. But Man Utd’s mentality in that game was to seek an equaliser, not crumble when things went against them. Also let’s be real about the FA Cup game. At least 2 of Liverpool’s goals were very lucky… wicked deflections that couldn’t be saved. They happen but Liverpool had a lot of luck in that game too.
@@pratosaurusrex1128 there’s luck involved in every game, but when you’re up in a game there’s times to send everyone forward and there are times to shore up. Something that was consistent about klopp’s sides was the go all out mentality no matter the score. Catching kelleher off the line to me was the unforgivable moment…..
Wow this is the first positive video. You give constructive feedback and criticism. But it’s not hate or trolling. Thanks man I needed this. From MU fan
Always appreciate your level headed analysis. I’m a Dutch UTD fan so it’s cool to see two Dutch managers battle it out. I thought Liverpool was class. I give Arne Slot a ton of credit. If Gakpo could start firing it’s shaping up to be an interesting season for you guys. Us on the other hand, well we’ll see
Can I just point out that the first 30 minutes of that game were brilliant? And it's been overshadowed by a team who on paper didn't perform much better than us?
We had a higher xg and played better football this szn then I’ve ever seen from united I’d much rather this (losing and having poor results but good performances in terms of playing a better system and better football) than what we got last szn where we lost lots of games whilst playing long balls and counter attacks after sitting deep it was a nightmare at least Ten Hag is persisting with a good style of play simple mistakes lost us the game people are just so reactionary because they see United losing to Liverpool at Old Trafford 3-0 and they jump on it after a tight loss the week before
@@dwarfogaming9323 I'm not even sure half the comments on social media are from United fans. It's this reactionary side of football that makes the sport so distasteful. Even United channels on TH-cam are falling into this reactionary commentary. Its sad! I'm slightly optimistic for this new team. But I think we need a new bench in the next transfer.
united is still such a counter attacking team and we want to play like we’re something else. but what’s worse this season is there’s no wing play saving us. changing your style starts from the back and we just addressed that. we’re now onto midfield and it’s showing. i’ve been a fan starting with moyes and it’s been a hard decade
Well said mate, good video. Nice to get a calm, sensible opinion on this, 3 games in and plastic fans/media are loosing it. Nice comments on Saeed, but the guy is a mood hoover...1 loss and hes sacking everyone and having a meltdown...a few wins and hes got us winning the league. Thought you conducted yourself well in that interview with him, he's a bit of a bell.
@@robertocurrlos7470 na , your just not getting it bud lol You mention 'we' fans, as if im not one...maybe try supporting your team, or go commemt on Goldbridge vids...lot of toxicity there, you will fit it 👍
Second time in last month ive been impressed by Laurence analysis of United. Good stuff, keep it up mate cos mainstream analysis of the Premier League is so poor atm its all about headlines and getting viral clips like the Neville Carragher "Bust up"
Thank you for this. This video is basically what I've been saying almost since EtH came to the club. It's only now that the squad has begun to see significant improvements to it, namely bringing in the first true CDM in many, many years, and even now, 4 out of the 11 starters are either injured or otherwise unavailable (Hojlund, Yoro, Shaw, Ugarte). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure there's been a SINGLE game that EtH has had his first choice 11 starting since 2022. Meanwhile, City is so deep that their sub/reserve XI could compete with most other PL starting XI's. Would ANY of United's starting XI get in to the starting XI of City or Liverpool? I'd argue that only Mainoo and Fernandes would be able to get a start in those other squads
Imagine getting first young 23 year old defensive midfielder since Carrick, our fans have been truly overrating our squad built for years, we've been majorly lacking in it, plus the sub par training facilities that everyone knew, then continuously changing of managers, for once I am hopeful that we have enough executives to use their industry experience and knowledge to expect them not bending to fickle over expectation of fans and just do a long term job of building a squad for next 3 years, because it definitely will take atleast 3 years of continuous replacement of least contributing players and wrong contracts while fixing Carrington and day to day functioning of the club to see long-term stable improvements
For people saying anything about 3rd season and all that I want to ask specifically three questions 1: if you were to rate man united players individual performance how many of those players will be below 5? My answer about 7 ( casemiro(0) Bruno (3) kobbie (4) zirkzee(3) rashford (4) garnacho(3.5) onana(3)- our whole midfield and strikers . Now ok the opposite side rate Liverpool players below 5? My answer 0. 2: 3 mistakes by individual players critical to the game play was made (casemiro 2) , kobbie (1) and was pounced upon by the clinical ability of Liverpool players . Man U got chances but they couldn’t make the use of them either by finishing or making the correct passes,why? My answer is individual incapabaility 3: if Liverpool had all Man U players and Man U had all Liverpool players in that game playing that same tactics, do you think Liverpool will win ? My answer No , why because the absolute incapability of casemiro would have allowed us get the ball with gravenbarch everytime , the duels won, the technicalities, the physical and mindset of the players wouldn’t be thesame . Now lastly coach give tactics and player plays the game . Physical, mindfulness , wisdom , common sense is all down to the players , all goals where conceded by players errors , so many wrong passes where made by players , so many duels were lost by players , the players incapability disrupted any plans made. I hear fan channels immediately Liverpool scored a goal went straight to ten hag ,united stand, united view , kg the comedian , forever united , saeed, rants , and when you ask the question about what he has to do to the answer is he has to improve the players Physical, mindfulness , wisdom , common sense. Clicks, views, going with the crowd have removed common sense from people that even my brother who didn’t even watch the match told me yes ten hag is the problem . If 11players play on an average of 7 and we lose then I blame the manager but if you tell me 5 or 6 of the players played below (5) and you think it’s the managers fault .🤷🏾
But these games don't exist in a vacuum, we've seen consistently poor performances in games like this for 2 years now and it's been different personnel. The manager has to take his share of the blame for that.
@@BenMcManus facts the manager has to take some responsibility for most of the bad performances but I guarantee you triple guarantee you that if you can pick out any of those games you would have about 4-6 players with performances below 5 and mentality and mind strength below 5 and some Players made mistakes that led to goals and we wasn’t clinical and we made bad passes .if you care to cause I haven’t but scan and pick out any game and you would see this
@@Belvmadewrld for the whole of 21-22 I was giving the players ratings out of 10 for each game. Totally subjective (and tiring, so I didn't do it again), but I know what you're getting at. The thing is ten Hag never takes responsibility for it and sets the players up to fail again and again. I've been trying to see the positives, but after watching us get battered... Again... I've run out of faith in him.
Don't forget EtH also gets the blame for how much the board spends on transfers and wages. And he gets the blame for who transfers in despite it not being the job of a coach to scout players. There's far too many NPC fans parroting what they her from the 'talking heads'.
It's true. Once we get hojlund back and ugarte comes in we will look better, aswell when the new plays get up to full pace, zirkzee looked sluggy yestrdy
Great video. It really does feel like a confidence thing with the team, feels like they just need to ‘click’ and then things could change quite quickly. Lots of if’s though and there is definitely a problem between styles/fit of the players and how fragile their mentality is. ETH wants to play high pressure, possession. Some of the key roles in that system though aren’t consistently fit or don’t suit that style but are almost undroppable because of their status, wages or injuries. Feels like things are close but also very far at the same time if that makes sense.
Finally some balance. Sky were unbearlable yesterday and TalkShi@e today. Not ideal of course and still some way to go. 'Hated or Adored but never Ignored!'
Such a reasonable video ❤ thanks from a Manchester United fan. All my best friends were Liverpool supporters when I was young. Even my dad is from Liverpool 😅. But a great tv special back in 94 with Bobby Chalton and a young Ryan Giggs inspired me and that hooked me into United. It's nice to see rival fans being objective with different teams. 👍 Liverpool do have an amazing spirit and I have always admired that. You'll Never Walk Alone is the epitome of that club. 🙏
After rewatching the game, I’m even more convinced that we are going to have a successful season if key players can stay fit. We did some pretty good stuff ones the emotions die down. If you can please rewatch the match with no emotions attached and you see what I’m talking about. Easy fixes for ETH.
Mate, this is the first time I’ve come across you or your videos but WHAT A REFRESHING change. I absolutely love this video and what i like to call ‘a SENSIBLE conversation. Wow! Love it. What’s going on at the top is finally being taken seriously and I think the future is so bright and i do believe that we will be back but right now we r in transition. When Liverpool were in transition a couple of seasons ago, nobody was whinging but when it’s utd it’s diabolical. Also I don’t think it’s said enough that everyone hates utd. I can’t really compare it to anything else cos I think it’s unique. Everyone hates us… pundits, the media, the commentators, fellow fans, it’s just so so childish.
Was tellin' my cuz nearly the exact same thing the other day. Hes made massive changes each year. Hes gotta be allowed build. Its the first time united have had an effective experienced board who are focusing on the pitch behind us. Whilst still working under certain restraints.. be patient
I like the new you Lars. The sensible approach/view point may not bring as many views, but reflects really well on you as a person and content creator. Keep it up Brother.
There's always excuses for Ten Hag but nobody gives good arguments why his tactics are good. His 316 in possession and 424 out of possession is not sustainable. This fan base high roads people criticizing the manager and call them negative, but in the same breath scapegoat players like Casemiro. Kobbie had the same problem as Casemiro when he played in the single pivot and Ten Hag didn't adapt all game. You guys want this club to fail, you're not man utd supporters, you're Ten Hag supporters.
The frustration comes from it being the third year of a rebuild that has been incredibly half assed. First year two key players were stop gap signings- Casemiro who was fifth choice and came in for way too much played every game he could with no viable rotation recruited. Eriksen also played every game he could with again no viable rotation option. Eriksen wasn't even supposed to come in as a starter. Ten Hag thought he was getting an experienced squad player and they'd also get a new 8. Martinez did amazing, but also came in for way too much. Every possible deal negotiated ended at either a small or a huge loss for the club. Antony was not supposed to come for 80 million. Ronaldo was at the very end of his career and Anthony was incredibly injury prone. Neither should have been starting, all the club got was an emergency loan Weghorst. There was no real clearout of many players that should have moved on way before Ten Hag came in. Somehow he made it to third with all the drama happening. His game management then with how many wins out of nothing were squeezed evaporated from all memory. Then comes the next season with people having far out expectations with zero chance of being met that the team is going to "build forward" from that place and do just as, or even better. No chance in hell. Next disaster summer transfer season begins. The club has no strikers. Martial still can't play, his legs are gone. I don't know how much of it is Ten Hag's fault, but recruitment wastes the whole season chasing after Kane who'd cost no less than a 100 million pounds besides wages which Levy obviously had no intention of ever selling to what is now a close rival for a spot at the league table. No "experienced" striker came at all. The rotation option that would be a younger player to develop also came at a premium price and started nearly every game with enormous pressure to perform immediately. Despite fans patience the need was there. Eriksen and Casemiro are cooked out of their last drops of energy after a heavy first season and still neither have rotation options. Amrabat barely ever played in his position. Rashford can't replicate his form as the team is no longer built entirely around him shooting and he can't adapt at all. Likely doesn't want to as he preferred a striker like Martial that would create for him and move away from goal. The complete lack of any squad depth was fully exposed that season along with still almost nobody but De Gea on his massive wages being moved on. Another interesting thing is Ten Hag for one was not interested in immediately replacing De Gea. He wanted to reduce the massive contracts multiple underperforming players were. While De Gea was only underperforming in terms of on the ball ability relative to just about any keeper in the league besides Pickford, he wanted to keep his wages and a contract longer than just a year. Agreement couldn't be reached and he left with all the blame coming down on Ten Hag alone. Onana comes in for higher than he should have. After Rashford's one good season, despite Ten Hag's fruitless attempt at reducing wages, gets a huge new contract almost as if the owners are picking players for the manager based on how many shirts they'll sell. Bruno plays almost the full season out of position. Not by anyone's choice. There were no viable options outside just playing every academy kid. Bruno has nobody to rotate with yet again and is fatigued. Everything goes wrong including the best 11 being available less than 5 games the entire season. Third Season approaches. Ratcliffe is here and he's also desperate to get "his man" in and get rid of the manager to prove how he's so much different than the Glazers. Barrada and Ashworth come in a bit late to the party and go against Ratcliffe right away preferring to back Ten Hag. Third year into supposed rebuild with very little "rebuilding" happening. Almost one foot out and one in. Mount has to be both a winger, a 10 and an 8, not necessarily because he's amazing at all three, but because the manager doesn't trust recruitment and needs someone to do everything. A 19 year old has to save the club as the only good starting option as an 8. At this point probably a better 6 than Casemiro too. Still playing a developing unproven striker and get another one. De Ligt, Mazraoui, Ugarte arrive late. The squad has pretty much had less than an actual week of training together. Preseason was a promotional tour for the owners to make bank and key players to get injured. Almost nobody is sharp, or fit. Still no real clearout, too few signings for what were decent prices, but in the background of how many more needed to be bought and sold, too costly. All Ten Hag can say publicly is repeat "We need many more signings" without blasting recruitment. All this builds up to what should inevitably be a poor, slow start to the season for a team praying no more injuries happen at all and on paper aren't going to be good enough for anywhere above 5th under ideal conditions. Still no real rotation options for almost every position. Yoro - the other developing player that shouldn't even be a starter comes to play for a very high wage as if Ten Hag's efforts to reduce them are for nothing. He's not going to sign a new contract next year on lower wages. Cost can only go up. We can't know is Ten Hag the one doing all this telling recruitment to only buy him players for over 50 million pounds and to sell nobody. He agreed on the "open heart surgery" statement Rangnick had, so I doubt he's the one pushing for few expensive signings every season. He's getting criticized over player picks when there's nobody to pick from. Not starting Rashford isn't going to win you a match. These losses aren't happening because any one specific player shouldn't be starting and that's with Casemiro's blunders included. Garnacho is just as poor defending and just as inconsistent, but also inexperienced. Both have produced more moments than solid performances. Both don't hold width well and are poor creatively, for both there's no left back to overlap them in their best position. Not having enough players is leading into a looping spiral of failure where the ones that are good get overplayed and can never regain their form back and the ones that were never good enough have to start or academy kids have to perform miracles.
Moyes - counter atacking futbol. Glazers Van Gaal - possession bassed futbol Glazers Mourinho- Park the bus Glazers Ole - counter attacking Glazers Ragnick- Gegenpress Glazers Ten hag- possession based press Glazers multiple mangers, Every play style, expierenced mangers, big trophy winning mangers, Modern futbol inovative mangers. We've seen everything at United and weve been shite the only constant is the Glazers you cant blame the farmer for rotten fields when the land owner has poisoned it. Under this new Regime if done right and given control we will see changes weather that be in the next couple of weeks or the next couple of years. Ten Hag and what he's done with this united team is quite impressive considering the variables he's faced from injuries to lack of options. While yes he hasn't looked the best you have to realize a manger can only do so much to help a team put pep on fulhum they dont get much better but put his foundation under fulhums manger and they become a much better team. You can take a look at Carlo when he was at everton and madrid now and you can allso look at ten hag at ajax and bayern teams with amazong foundations how well he is under them. So unless we want to restart the same cycle that we've been cursed with its best we stay with ten hag give him and Ineos a year or two complete the project and only then can we judge. Pin this comment im sure of it. Yanited Yanited
I honestly think that Arne's post match pitch side interviews were more damning to MUFC morale than the actual game itself. Arne Slot showed why he's already a million miles ahead of ETH.
Nah bro slot has many weak point only can be seen after several games...if an injury occurs he will not be finding balance ...from a liverpool fan ❤..every team has a downfall and raise in every season winner are those who manage these things brilliantly
Honestly people are piping this interview off to a ridiculous extent. All he said was they are pressing with a 9 and a 10. Anybody with eyes can see that. He hardly dismantled ten haha tactics
@@ocarey2 I get it - but I think it's centered more around the idea that ETH has been there 3 years running and doesn't have a clear style - but Slot comes in 3 games and you can clearly see players have adapted his style and already knows what United try to do different from last season... you can't argue that.
If it was a season or two ago, they wouldn't have created those chances. The midfield is still lacking. Probably, if Utd had a better midfield, the game would have been different. As well as there was a lack of cohesion in the attack in some of the counters.
Buddy I'm a hard core utd fan and we know we are bad I don't know about the future but I know that the lats month was shit if your not a utd fan belive me no matter what your going through thank God it's not worse by supporting utd at this point in time hope it gets better with time but for now it's dark times and only the real football fans can stay strong during this❤❤
@@leri7222 stay strong brother just like our predecessors in the70's and 80's the sun will rise again and the natural order of things will be restored ❤️❤️
What does it mean to stay strong? I've backed every manager we've had until it became clear that they had nowhere left to turn. What gives you any faith that ten Hag can turn this into something sustainable because I cannot see it anymore.
@@BenMcManus who told you to have faith in ETH? Have faith in man utd the glazers reactionary decisions are over so we like or not ten hag is going nowhere because the upper management believe that he's the most capable man for the job is it right or wrong that doesn't matter its not the fans making the decisions dose it mean to lose faith in utd and give up support because ETH is there absolutely not
@@BenMcManus well the definition of faith is trust/hope in something without any real evidence to back it up. But ask yourself, in the 3 games so far, are you seeing some signs of progress… for me, I say yes.. it might be small but I can see/have faith that with time and consistency, progress will be made and things will get better. BUT(I think this is where fans go from extreme to extreme) it’s not necessary that he be the one to win us the league. He can be relatively successful but not win the league and still get sacked.
I absolutely agree that you have to axe some of the "senior" players. Shaw, Maguire, Rashford, Eriksen.. these guys will do a good job elsewhere, but the players that have been there through these multiple rebuilds need to be taken out from the team before Ten Hag can really implement his ideas.
Losing before an international break always sets up a fun news cycle around us. We lost to two of the best teams in the league (albeit a small sample size, but that doesn’t stop people from judging us off that either), in games that by the metrics were closer than the story allows. So for a month it’s been/will be negative and scrutinizing. Ten Hag deserves criticism and has to answer questions. But there’s a quasi unrealistic stance a lot of opinions stand on (from our own fans as well) that our squad is better than what it is. Focused on price tags and not performances.
Far too many people blame the manager and not enough people call out the players. Since the run up to Solskjaer's sacking, players have been an issue that not enough fana and pundits call out. Yes, Casemiro was directly at fault for 2 goals, but Fernandes' passing was no better. Or Onana in whom, I have decidedly started losing faith. David de Gea was losing his way a bit, but was still a better shot stopper than Onana, and in the grander scheme of things, I'd rather have a shot stopper than a distributor (PS: Distribution is why we brought Onana, and he's not even showing that!). The coach can change formation, tactics and selection but if the players who are on the pitch can't recognize the flaws in themselves that allows them to cover it worse, do the basic running required to be a top 10 side, then it doesn't matter. Zidane or Pep would do no better. Also, I just want to point out the supremely lazy analysis that Ten Hag is trying to "recreate his old Ajax side" or only buys players from Holland. Mourinho brought Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira and Jose Bosingwa from Porto to Chelsea, David Moyes brought Fellaini from Everton. Van Gaal brought Memphis. It is not uncommon. The real issues are (and I want people to be intelligent here), the coach does not buy players, the club do. If the management is stupid enough to pay a kings ransom for 1 player, has nothing to do with the coach. And if they are so spineless that they cannot say, player A is too expensive, we'll give you a similarly profiled but cheaper Player B, that's on them too. Van der Sar as CEO of Ajax actually said he told that mug Ed Woodward "how high can you go for Antony?". We now know the answer. The other thing is a deal is a deal. If you can get the player who is value for money for you and/or at least understands the philosophy you are trying to get across, does it matter where they are from. Ten Hag's first 2 games proves that English players at least at the time cannot wrap their minds around the tactics he was trying to pass across, and after 3 years, those who still remain still don't get it. Lastly, every club has taken United for a ride, and United want to do only smart deals. De Ligt and Mazraoui even with add-ons cost far less than the idiotic demand from Everton for the one player. Rival fans and pundits would have mocked us if we did that deal. It matters not that they played for Ten Hag before. All it means is that it's easier to convince them to come, especially De Ligt whom we wanted to sign 5 years ago.
The decision made by INEOS was a poor one to keep EtH in a job, you can see he doesn't want to be there cos this statement shows a sense of ignorance & acceptance against the fanbase that knows the FACTS that has affected their performance. They don't look ready cos we think the players are 2 weeks behind so fitness, focus, conditioning & sharpness has to improve imensely to get anything from this season!
De Ja Vu again! Why is EtH carrying the Terrible Twins (Maguire & Lindelof) for 2 seasons, encouraging mediocracy & sentiment at the Club. It has been going on for too long now. Getting De Ligt shows we can offload Maguire, Lindelof, Bruno & Eriksen + any other surplus players. Now we can persue Todibo for next season, Inàci, Rabiot, Eze & Ferguson then we can seriously challenge for league & Europa league this season!
This issue with Ten Hag is that he’s trying to apply tactics which worked in the Eredivisie; a less physical league where there is more time on the ball and less pressure/less high pressing which is a relatively new phenomenon in the premier league which is one of the most physically demanding leagues. He’s playing a system which is characterised by quick attacks with direct sequential passing from the goalkeeper to the attacking positions, requiring large amounts of space between players when attacking. He also likes to have his l/rbacks marauding forwards. This means that midfielders have to cover a large amount of space and that there are often only two defenders back, leading to one on one situations if the ball is lost in transition. One of the keys to Ajax, is that they had the advantage of being able to hone their ability to play this system under less pressure, meaning when in a higher pressure situation they had more confidence, more accurate passing and so on. It’s unlikely in the premier league that this team will ever have that opportunity to develop confidence or crispness in playing this system, it’s also a lot more taxing physically and mentally as they know that if they lose the ball they are going to have to run like fuck. It also doesn’t help that some players, Bruno being the notable example, Casemiro too often play unnecessarily risky passes from positions where they’re vulnerable to a quick transition. This causes turn overs and tires the team out especially in midfield, which in turn decreases the accuracy and concentration levels further.
Entirely agree, sadly. Thanks for your empathy and clear reasoning (and also for having a descriptive title, rather than a sensationalist one!). you made a great point about his interpersonal skills, but it can't be easy if players refuse to give 100% & are seen literally giving up and sulking in a red shirt. shameful really. hope we can at least start giving you a proper game next time. Cheers for all you do :)
Here from that Saeed video. Good points here .. subscribed... But Ten Hags transition football tactics don't work ..players or not .. he doesn't charge.. ultimately its a results game..lose enough and you'll get the sack
When you play Rashford you always feel a man down in terms of defending pressing and ball winning. He did present some attacking threat however but when you compared his work rate to the Liverpool forwards it was night and day. On his day Rashford is one of the best forwards in the Prem however I don't think we will get anymore of those days from him , i think on a personal level the game moved on and teams have his number this is why he finds it hard. The Manchester United midfield has been a ongoing disaster and simply United have tried to gaffer tape sticking plaster and any combinations to fix it . I could not understand the midfield formation ETH chose to play against Liverpool baffling when he had tried the same combination many times last season and it failed. The goals looked similar to the Brighton goals in terms of finding the back post and a number of players queuing up to put the ball in the back of the net and yet we saw no improvement there. Our forward s found the going tough . I am seeing some improvement especially ball retention and the press however no end product. I can see us in the top ten but not in the top 4 we still have a long way to go
I disagree,if rashford leaves united,he,ll be one of the best players,imagine pple blaming him after that game🤣If I was him,I wouldn't be arsed about this club anymore,everytime he has a good or ok game,he,s attacked by pple like golbridge and his confidence goes back down,u,d think the league is filled with world class left wingers,Martinelli has worse numbers than him last season in a superior team,did u hear any hate,grealish was trash the whole of last season,even Diaz had 13g/a the whole of last season in an attacking Liverpool team,,,and don't get me started about the coach,When tenhag extended his contract,he didn't extend the contract of a playmaker but of a goalscorer,it is clear the coach told him to stop taking as many shots last season coz even in the past when he was underperforming,he would always take multiple shots a game in and out of the box which is one of his best attributes but if he does,you,ll hear people like golbridge saying he,s greedy ect
The one of the biggest problem Man Utd have got is scoring goals. Against Liverpool possession, passes, shots and chances were very even. Difference was the individual errors. Some of these players are tactically very naive, some just don’t bothered or care.
Finally someone articulates this well. Honestly being a united fan I sometimes feel that I’m in the minority when it comes to this way of thinking, there’s some absolute bums in our fan base that are so reactive to the specific results. There’s a bigger picture here and more context than just the results
As a long time fan the patience has worn thin and i think that’s why most fans are so frustrated. The outside point of view is so important and shows the true problems we’ve yet to address. I really hope he’s not sacked by the next break. That’s not the solution at this point. Thank you!
I noticed 3 things so far this season: Firstly, the first 3 games if the season we have dominated the ball possession, but we need to be more effective on the ball and more intensive in passing it. We could have easily beaten Fulham and Brighton but we failed to do that because of the next issues that I will mention below. Secondly, we are very ineffective and fail to punish teams when we put ourselves in great attacking positions, just take a look at the 4 great chances we missed against Fulham (2 from Fernandes,1 from Mount and 1 from Garnacho).Against Brighton when the score we 0-0 Amad could have easily put us ahead and we had great counter attack situation where Amad made poor decision and to add salt to our wound, Garnacho's goal was rightly chopped off. Against Liverpool as much as we were 3nil down, Zirkzee could have scored two goals and I promise you if that was a very lethal finisher those two chances could gone in. Thirdly, we don't know how to manage or defend critical situations when the team is either under pressure or when we are outnumbered attack vs defence or when a ball is lost critical position on the field. It seems like every single time we find ourselves in critical defensive situation we are bound to concede, like the two mistakes from Casmiro could have still been defended better if our players have that positional awareness whe we are under attack and the ability to smell danger when we are under attack. All these is evident from all the goals we have conceded so far in the league. To illustrate what makes United's defending bad compared to Liverpool, Arsenal and City, is when you look at in the first half we had counter attack where if Bruno played KDB kind of pass Rashford would have been in one on one with the keeper but Liverpool defended that crisis well. Another example in that game is the two saves that Allison made was two moments of crisis which the Liverpool keeper managed to save the team from, let's not be delusional and make it seem like Liverpool's could've not conceded. The same way we don't have a keeper who saves us in moments of crisis, all the balls just seem to go in. That is one of the big differences between United have Edwin Van der Sar or De Gea in goal. United could have easily lost points when we played the United way under Ferguson, because the keeper was good and the defense could manage a lot critical and moments of crisis with great awareness, football intelligence and anticipation of danger. Man city could have easily been 1nil down against West Ham in the first 3 or 5 minutes if Ederson did not make one or two critical saves in the beginning of the match and the same applies to the Arsenal keeper and defense, they manage critical defensive situations better than United. We literally always concede, it almost feels like panick mode. People won't even realize that we manage to beat Fulham 1nil because we managed those critical or moments of crisis very well, Maguire's interception, Martinez clearance and how he ended defending against Troare. Even Onana made one or two saves which were easy but could easily been goals on any other day. Plus to add to everything, the gap between Bruno with Mainoo and Casemiro was really bad against Liverpool, that's why everytime we won the ball quickly against Liverpool we lost it at same rate Because players are hiding and not be enough to create spaces to receive the ball.
The problem was the loss to Brighton. No one can argue that Liverpool is currently a much better team than United. Losing to Liverpool, City and Arsenal home and away should have no bearing on whether or not Manchester United have a good season. Ultimately it will come down to how well they perform against the other 16 teams.
Honestly , it is the hardest thing being a Man United fan. You can see there are players on the pitch who are playing in fear. They know they can't make a mistake otherwise they will be ripped to literal shreds by their own fans. It is such a toxic environment . Literally even Ronaldo , the worlds most confident player , succumbed to this endless toxicity. The fans have these extremely high standards for no good reason. And even if the team has a decent game , comparing to previous United teams it still does not live up to expectation. I think playing for United is a living hell, the players get no joy out of it . A joyless team is a team that will never be able to gel , a team that will never be able to build chemistry and score goals . Manchester United has the worst fans , and that's a fact . They are shallow , judgemental, glory hunters who only expect the best. Nothing is ever enough for them, because the Ferguson days are engraved in their minds.
Mark Goldbridge is the prime example of this toxicity . Even Roy Keane exhibits the same attitude all the time on sky sports. Just criticism, negativity and insults. And these are the so called "fans" of the club .
I think it’s just confidence. The players are not confident to execute a very attacking aggressive game plan. Because they’ve played under relatively pragmatic and defensive coaches for a while now. From LVG to mourinho, to OGS. That’s affected the squad mentally.
Liverpool’s big chances (apart from Casemiro's errors) came mostly in the 2nd half, when United tweaked their shape to a more man for man setup, taking more risks and committing more men forwards as they were chasing the game. The chances for both sides grew as a result. The game was even and 100% there for the taking prior to the unforced errors. United were let down by their own decision-making + execution in the final 3rd. Both sides had similar final 3rd entries. Not to mention being aided by Casemiro's brain farts for the first two, which swung the tie. Ultimately, Liverpool were ruthless with their early big chances - goals change games, and it's what fundamentally decided the tie. But it's not the same as United being outplayed or outfought through a tactical masterclass over 90 mins etc etc. Massive difference and is disingenuous to say so
What is bad? Anyway, it is certainly not as bad as many think. The formation is wrong. Erik ten Hag has to adjust this formation to a 1-4-3-3 or a 1-4-2-3-1. That is defensively much more reliable and sustainable.
That's just it, it's the open heart surgery Ralf was talking about, i think over 18 players left the club in this tranfer window ALONE. That is really overlooked, we have new players too, who weren't there for preseason for us or their previous clubs, playing in our first games of our season. I have no idea what happened to Rashford. It's sad to watch Casemiro man, but i believe Urgate will come good, that will allow Case to be a beast in cup games. Besides the noise, De Ligt and Yoro will be standout players by end season, as well as Amad and Garna and our strikers, and it will all start when that hole is plugged and hungry players start games.
TH-cam doesn't like positive united fans?? Where have you been hiding??? 😅 I agree, we have certainly improved from last 2 seasons.. Casemiro wasn't part of FA cup squad and it's obvious he isn't part of this 1st team building.. plus we had 3 shots on target and missed, they had 3 shots and scored 🤷🏽♂️ main 2 issues I see is midfield goals and backpost goals
ten hag could fix this really easily, just quit. the job of a manager is to manage the players available to him and definately not to force players into a system they aren't capable of playing
I love your content in general but I have to disagree with this. Saying this is a transitional season for United is far too generous. This is Ten Hag’s third season now and no one can say he hasn’t been backed. A lot of the signings are players he would’ve specifically targeted and none of them have been an inarguable success. Coming 8th last year and then starting this season poorly after being backed again. There have been a few injuries which I accept but a complete lack of identity and playing style is simply not good enough, especially when we’ve seen other managers instil a clear philosophy with much less time. United are one of the biggest clubs and after all this time and money spent there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be competing with City/Arsenal/Liverpool. I’d be surprised if ETH is still manager at Christmas
He approaches every match as though the result doesn't matter, only some nebulous end goal we're supposedly heading towards, that's why I've given up on him now. I cannot believe he thinks this is acceptable given how things went last season.
Not just that but Ten Hag just seems to struggle to get his ideas across. Why bother with a press system when the defensive line is not high enough. We got done by Liverpool for that sole reason alone, every time they nicked the ball off our player in the midfield they had ample room to run into because the defence was so far back. The kind of tackles Liverpool profited from were at best 50/50s and if we had a high enough line there would have been an extra layer of protection. Liverpool’s coach even stated that he exploited United’s disjointed press particularly in the midfield. Casemiro was bad yesterday but at best he exposed United’s tragic press system. 1 bad pass in a compact team shouldn’t lead to goal scoring opportunities. Ten Hag is annoying.
True, many new managers play much better football in their first year. Ten Hag's system requires too specific players and too intense performances to work. Young lads can do it at Ajax under an Eredivisie schedule. I doubt senior players can do it under the premier league calendar.
You're obviously not old enough to remember Sir Alex's years. I doubt that your football knowledge can comprehend what it actually takes to build something that can win consistently. In Sir Alex's first years we finished in the bottom half of the table but I bet you ain't old enough to remember that.
Man Utd were not that bad at all, the patterns of play is so much better than last year, the difference is, Utd gave all 3 goals as a gift with some howlers playing out from the back and poor decision making
I feel like EtH isn't adaptable tactics wise. In the 2 seasons he's been Utd coach, we've seen new managers come with different ideas and stamp those ideas creating a new identity for their teams eg (Ange, Iraola, Emery, Glasner), we've also seen veteran managers find new ideas to adapt to the evolving tactical landscape of the Prem eg (Pep, Klopp, Arteta) but EtH seems to be stubborn in his ideas. Ever since the "Best transition team in the world", he's been stuck in just one way of football and so far since it's majorly not working and he's still doubling down instead of finding tweaks to make it better. Other than the new 4-2-4 pressing structure, it's literally the same as last season. Obviously, they'll do better than last season based on the fact that they most probably won't get that many injuries again but other than that, I can barely see Utd being higher than 6th at season's end. I don't see him as the manager to Utd a Premier League title, he's at most a cup manager unless he realises that he has adapting and tweaking to do.
The injuries excuse was something last season. But it’s overstated. I mean come on, even with the players fit it’s awful football. Let’s stop acting like Shaw and hojland are the saviors. Or that ugarte will be magic and suddenly the players will have a clue what to do in all phases. At what point will it be ok to say the coaching isn’t good enough, and even the signings don’t make sense. Yoro is an 18 year old center back, he’s not meant to start every game, but could be world class in a few years. Shaw has never been a consistently fit player throughout his career, so I don’t get banking on it at this point. The mazraoui signing is a lateral move but okay I guess. Rashford has been poorly platformed and there’s yet to be a solution for the left side of the pitch. Towards the end of last season, yeah the team was ravaged by injuries, but performance wise the team played like one of the bottom 5 teams in the whole league, and that’s just unacceptable. The performance against Liverpool wasn’t so bad, they were just neutralized effectively and Liverpool was extremely clinical, even with the offside goals.
We're a different team this season. The new press is much better. Copa America players looked sluggish against Liverpool, zirksee having his first start wasn't up to the pace. Casemero was a disaster. But who on our bench was going to change that game? Amad, maybe. It was absolutely huge, him bringing colyer on for Casemero. Erikson is done. Who else was a game changer on our bench??
@@StuartSmith-kb5pf Utd has barely changed. Other than the 4-2-4 pressing structure, you might as well be the same as last season. There's only one Copa America player who played for Utd on Sunday, Licha and yeah it was a bad game for him. The system Utd is using isn't utilizing your players strengths or hiding their weaknesses and as such, they get exposed massively, creating the individual errors that opponents pounce on. Like why is Rashford being used as a touchline winger when he's an inside forward. Why is the midfield setup in such a way that everything defensively depends on Casemiro winning majority of duels which we've seen especially from last season, he's struggling to do. Why is your defence which is very suitable for playing a high line, hanging around at the box. Why is Onana is still majorly kicking long in the buildup phase. Casemiro is being forced to be a progressive passer when we all know that he's a ball winning midfielder. Mainoo instead of being a progressive carrier is being given the extra task of covering for Casemiro' s mistakes. EtH's tactics this season feel absolutely half baked. He's being outclassed and he's not finding solutions. He should go back to the drawing board because if Slot can figure out Utd's weaknesses in 2 minutes then what about people like Pep, Arteta etc
Exactly these fans piss me off. The entire last yr we backed ten hag and knew he was the right man. Now we are playing a an actual style we havent played since sir alex. High press 4-2-4 out of possession and 3-1-6 in possession. Thats why mount was so good before getting injured again. Now with ugarte double pivot with mainoo, the fullbacks push up and licha and de ligt enter the midfield. For the first time in a long time we got a ball playing defence. We need a proper no. 9 back in hojlund. Players need to adjust and come back. This is a rebuild from 10 yrs ago. We need more squad depth.
So results don't matter then? I can't accept that without seeing something that suggests there is a better future to come with ten Hag. I just can't see it, he's not showing it at all.
@@BenMcManus yes. But cmon when see u the Liverpool game, they were lucky that's it. They're going to be exposed soon. Also ineos have backed him and they will look like idiots if they sack him anytime soon
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction to Man Utd atm. It's gonna take a while for ETH to get a the squad he needs. There was so much dead wood when he arrived. Last season was ruined with injuries, yet they still managed to win a major trophy. It's clear that ineos has been a positive impact on the club. But they have only just arrived. Patience is needed. Brighton got abit lucky and VAR scammed Utd. The scoreline flattered Liverpool. All 3 of their goaks came from player mistakes, Casemiro basically gifted Liverpool 2 goals, and Zirkzee missed 2 sitters. Both teams only had 3 shots on target. 11 total for Liverpool and 8 total for Utd.
What I think is that the media loves to earn views with United, this whole thing about not having a way of playing is part of it. I'm doing my couch badges and I can see ways of playing, the inverted full backs, how they beat the press, the wingers position etc etc. The media will say they don't have a style, even after the manager repeated many times about the transactional play and dominating possession, you will get people, especially Liverpool supporters and others who hate United say, they don't have a way of play. I argue the contrary, it's mainly because their way of playing that teams can pick them apart, not because they don't have a way of playing.
United do not do the basics right. They are a tactical mess under Ten Hag. 6 shots on target and just 2 goals in 3 games and 2 defeats this season shows how poor United are. Fire Ten Hag Now.
Manchester United created a higher xg than Liverpool it was those mistakes from Casemiro that shifted momentum in Liverpool’s favour as they were clinical and played with conviction compared to united who struggled in both boxes to prevent big chances and create lots of dangerous chances. Fans are reactionary it’s pretty clear Ten Hag’s system has worked well this szn United have played much better football in every game I haven’t seen United press and pass the ball out the back this well since Fergie was here maybe even ever. Ten Hag set up his team well it isn’t his tactics that lost us the game against Liverpool it was simple mistakes. Last szn untied were awful we played horrible football and lost big I would much rather united finish 7th and play good football, or try to, rather than get UCL and play a poor system with long balls and defending deep so this is huge progress. The proof is the anfield draw last szn everyone was happy we held Liverpool to a draw at anfield 0-0 despite conceding 30+ shots and defending deep the whole game this is huge improvement in performance and style of play even if the score line and result isn’t ideal
I always appreciate your views. I thought today I would wake up less stingy, less bruised but I am in fact just as astonished. I am not ETH out but we are playing an insane system. Literally every build up has to come off exactly right. If it doesn't? 5 attackers are already on their way to goal. And boy do things not go exactly right OFTEN. I get we have to be patient, again, but there has to be some practicality shown by the manager. The same practicality he showed in his first, and most competent-looking season. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't familiar with Saaed's entire catalog and I'll leave it at that.
This rashford talk is so hyperbolic. He was our most threatening attacker and created 2 chances out of nothing. He hasnt been playing like he lacks confidence but people like neville saying it builds a narrative so strong it ends up knocking it eventually. All the other attackers were significantly more poor than Rashford, only so much one guy can do, especially in todays game, another day he leaves with 2 assists and united’s motm
My thing with United is when they look bad, they look BAD. They looked decent in this game until they conceded a coupel goals, and suddenly it feels like they could concede 5. There are improvements but there are still pretty clear structural issues. Still a hole between the midfield and defense. We'll see how Ugarte makes a difference.
So glad to see some thoughtful reaction. Too many are looking at headlines and extrapolating to a point of disaster because that's where they seem comfortable - everything is brilliant or catastrophic. Brighton game man utd were the better team (Brighton were undercooked as well), deserved a draw at least. Idiotic player errors lead to last minute goal... These things happen especially at start of the season. Liverpool, again the team played well initially and it was clear what was being attempted, albeit imperfectly. 2 crucial individual mistakes from a player that I think most in the hierarchy would have hoped wouldn't be here this season and the team lost their composure for a bit and Liverpool were excellent at taking advantage. Added to that poor finishing, and the scoreline looks very one sided. I'm not arguing that Liverpool weren't the better team... But I think the description of the score as a "thrashing" purposefully overlooks the details. The point is, man utd are instigating a style of play that, when mastered by the players will be successful against most teams. It's possible to snatch results against the best teams by playing counterattack like under solskjaer, but then you run into teams you're expected to beat and they do the same to you. Any coach would experience teething problems making this transition. I'm not wedded to the idea of ETH no matter what, but let's complete the transition and then see how he matches up against the best in the detailed tactical aspects that marks great modern coaches. If he's found wanting we can replace him with someone who will have a solid foundation for once- not a mismatched squad of players with poor attitudes who can't play the way the management wants. Struggle is a necessary part of success.
Positivity in football. I want this. I'm a utd fan and i just want to see things in a better and more optimistic light. Not deluded but want to see more than the negativity in the fanbase
Rome wasn't built in a day! Part of the problem with players at United is that they are playing for the money, not the badge. Was very sorry to see Scott go coz he played with his soul. Liverpool are strong after a long spell with a quality manager who turned down United because of the mess it was in. This season should be about blooding the youth players to get ready for the future, our youth team look very promising, loved the 1-9 thrashing from last season.ETH is good at bringing in young players to play his style, so fans should chill a little and maybe in a few seasons time we'll be in a better position. Good things come to those who wait.
The start of this season has been much the same and at the same time the opposite of last year. The results have been disappointing to say the least, we started the season without a LB again and some of the problems are the same as last year. On the other hand, the press looked miles better, we create more goalscoring opportunities and concede far fewer shots. Last year we got away with some results (wins) we didn't deserve. So far this season we've deserved better than the results suggested. It is possible for United to finish 8th again and still have improved massively as long as the underlying metrics are better. I think I read/heard we deserved to be 13th or something abysmal based on underlying stats last season.
An excellent look at the problem. You may or may not be right on the various issues. But your analysis benefits from you stepping away from the madding crowd and giving, I think, real perspective.
That's like being in pain and someone trying to convince you that you really aren't because of some stats. The only important stat is the result. If the results hurt and the prescribed medication isn't working then it's time to get a second opinion on the matter
We dont have squad depth. For the first time in a long time, we have built a ball playing aggressive starting XI. We dont have a left back and need ugarte. So stop calling ten hags head and support him! Arne slot inherited a perfect young squad that got rebuilt for him. Klopp, arteta and ten hag inherited broken squads!
@@arnoldokenwa5058 no progress? Our high press is aggressive, we've created so many chances in our last games, we are the best team at winning balls high up the pitch. So ye it'll take time. It's a rebuild for a reason.
I agree that a moderately improved United side, going slowly in the right direction, can still get murdered by Liverpool playing well on a new manager bounce. But I disagree; reverting to a compact formation, which led to a 0-0 away last season, did Ten Hag no harm whatsoever. That was definitely a result enjoyed by the fanbase and counted in his favour in that strategic review. The new look hierarchy and club board knows exactly where the team's current level is, but the commercial side is such a massive machine, and it doesn't brand itself as an also-ran. Fuelled by this and in reaction to rival fans putting us down United fans, myself included, spend the off-season almost unconsciously rebuilding our expectations to reach ridiculous heights instead of leaving them where they rightly were after a 4-0 loss to Crystal Palace, or being 3-0 up against Coventry and not winning. Still. Early doors. Funny old game.
I agree with you OP that we do want it all as fans. We want pragmatism, but we also don't want to only play that way because we want to see our team impose themselves. But... That's literally ten Hag's job to find that balance and personally I think he's getting it wrong. He plays as though results don't matter and I can't see how this ends in anything other than him being sacked
@leri7222 I wouldn't say sizeable at all, I think its no exaggeration to say the majority 75 to 80% were happy, although there's no way of knowing because nobody did a pole. Some United fans want Sancho and Greenwood to be starting for us even now. All the United youtubers that I saw praised that result. I think we were the only team to stop them scoring up to that point in the season. So no I poo-poo that thought that a 0-0 away to Liverpool or City is a bad result its only the mainstream pundits that argued the "Liverpool perspective" i.e that you should never celebrate a 0-0, you know like Arsenal's best ever team did when Ruud missed a penalty in the last minute....
There are difference between criticism and abusive. The number abuse that man gets is just outrageous. I understand the pain of seeing our club loosing to rival at home but its not ok to throw our hatred towards someone who never done anything sinister to any individual personally.
Laurence your positive take is all good and well, but when you finish 8th last season and by the numbers should have finished in 15th, and then serve up what we watched on Sunday at home vs your biggest rivals in English football, I think it's very easy to see why a lot of United fans would be as angry as they are. The talk of injuries won't fly this season. Losing to Liverpool is one thing, but losing like that? Come on man. He's been backed, the structure above him has changed and now it's time for EtH to deliver. The performances have to improve in a big way. The tactics have to improve in a big way. The midfield cannot continue to remain open. We've seen that in all three games so far and the performances have varied and dipped since we played Fulham. Like I get it, Casemiro certainly didn't cover himself in glory at all, but I'd also argue that the tactics and set up have not been benefiting the players and getting the best out of them. We are in year 3 and after 3 games look at the conversations we're having. I think fans will be patient with the players who have been brought in because they need to get familiar with the players who have been here and get up to speed with the game in the prem. But EtH won't be given as much patience if any at all. As for that question of EtH coming before Ole, I guarantee you that if what we are watching now happened before Ole and then Ole delivered third and second like he did, we'd all be speaking very highly of him. I wasn't his biggest fan but one thing he did for sure is he got the fan base believing we could make a real push in the league and he had the Glazers to deal with. Even under the Glazers EtH has been backed more than Ole was; Ole delivered more in the league with less than what EtH has at his disposal. It's time for him to put up or stop talking.
Fans are still talking about this loss. Like move on. The stats were very close between us and Liverpool. They were just more clinical and we made defensive errors. These things happen. Time to move on to the next game when the break is over.
Brono is the problem. The coach rely more on Brono. His work is to distribute and not to be sefish. His assist is poor and lowest in the league. Sancho can play that role better than Brono. Sancho can be United's Bellingham or even better.
the real problem of man utd apart from the obvious is that- They want the team to win the pl or all games just because man utd bought some new players and the manager is there from last 2 season. However, they forget that winning two trophies with that team in first two years is something which is quite hard. man utd fans should understand that a manager has come in and with a worst squad possible and still has won something so we need to have patience with the manager and the team. he is trying to bring some style of play both def and offensive , it takes time. given the squad quality and depth at each position its very hard. imagine Bruno go on injury we will be doomed. there is no quality as well as no squad depth. give the team and the manager time. Look at liverpool , arsenal. Klopp did not win anything for few years but once the team started ticking then they have won the pl, champions league and even after he left the team plays like how klopp used to play. yes arsenal has not won anything yet but they are competing and playing very good football. please give ten hag time and have patience. he has won two trophies with a worst squad, he has already proven that he is good its just matter of time before everything starts ticking.
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I worry about my fellow United supporters😭. Like it’s always highly emotional reactions every single loss. How many managers do we need? I always speak like Laurence and get hammered for being realistic 💔
Man Utd fan here. Wasn’t panicking with the 1-0 to Fulham or the 2-1 loss to Brighton. There were some very fixable mistakes in both games.
What you have to factor into this is that over the last 3 years Man Utd have lost to Liverpool 5-0, 4-2 and 3-0 at OT and 7-0 and 4-0 at Anfield. There is also a 2-1 and 4-3 wins at OT and a 0-0 draw at Anfield. So to summarise Man Utd have been mostly battered at home and away by Liverpool. If they win, it’s at home and it’s by 1 goal.
That’s why Man Utd fans are justifiably upset. ETH was in charge for the 7-0 at Anfield. It was completely unacceptable. The team crumbled, and he has just took charge of another dominated performance.
I was never Ten Hag out but I can’t see how you can put in such a terrible performance against your biggest rivals. Liverpool was splitting blood at their 1 goal defeats at OT. The reaction is 100% justified
The funny thing is when Man U win games tactics go through the window and fans start saying Ten Hag get it right and that game becomes the best game ever I think the fans adding to the team downfall
@@chrisfarquharson4203I can understand this sentiment. But it goes parallel with those calling ETH tactically clueless, which is just reductive and wrong. He’s given blueprints to how to stifle city. Similarly he’s shown tactics to how to handle Arsenals attack.
A lot of bi polar disorder within our fan base unfortunately.
Liverpool at home with a new manager. You cannot give them a morale boosting boon of a victory like that, it's unforgivable.
You know it’s bad when the rival fans speak more sense than the sports coverage
No they don’t they don’t even know anything about the club so I think we should stop listening to them and focus on backing our club.
You just want to hear good things about your club. We’re shit
We kinda destroyed everyone at old Trafford and people still say united are trash, lol
@@itsafigure9955we are trash. Ten hag gets humiliated by almost everyone he comes up against
The video was him just rambling incoherently, especially from about minute 6 onwards.
If we were to go along with what he said, Ten Hag would still be in a transitional season 10 years into the future just because one left back, or one central midfielder got injured.
He's also made many mediocre signings and Zirkzee is the latest one that doesn't look like anything special.
Cant believe a LIVERPOOL fan has more positivity than most FANS
He doesn't want us to change. Simple
He said we are in a transitional season. How long will we be in transition with ten Hag? 15 years?
His signings have not been good enough either. It is early days but Zirkzee looks very mediocre too.
@@stretfordendredstfu take Stretford out of your name. You are no united fan
😂 you know nothing
@@rajimus So how long are we going to be in transition? 99 years?
@@stretfordendred Not that I want to compare us to them but Arsenal was in a "rebuild period" for like 4 years under Arteta.
Man Utd fan here who has unsubbed from a certain channel because I know the next few weeks will be a deluge of fear and anger thumbnails: That opening minute was very lovely to hear. Thank you. It's nice for a non united fan to bring a little calm.
Does it start with Bart noridge?
@mechanicaltiger207 👀
@@darkshibe2267i hate to say it but I unsubbed as well for a sec lol… I always defended them in the comments but I’m starting to see why people complain
Me 2 Tbh
@@darkshibe2267 lmao why can't you just say the name of the channel? This is a free space to voice your opinions.
Finally someone being a normal human instead of another pre-pubescent emotional trainwreck.
Everyone is way too reactionary I thought all the people asking for Ten Hag in understood these kinds of results would come as our team has no experience playing a possession heavy system this is natural and the performance wasn’t bad just some silly mistakes cost us the game as Liverpool played with conviction hardly close to dominating we were the better side statistically
The problem is we can’t score, we’ve missed the most big chances and massively underperforming our xg
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invest in a proven clinical goalscorer. Hojlund has talent but he's a backup at best, Zirkzee is not a proper striker
@@ChildOfTheWildernessu can’t have a proven striker when there is no service for one
@@ajhahaha7438United ARE making chances though - they're just fluffing too many of them.
Yeh toney seemed like a no brainer but hojlund hamstring has been an unfortunate hiccup. Rashford and Bruno are both experienced players who score goals, it’s on them to step up when we need goals.
Osimen was available and they were actually dealing with Napoli for Mctominay @@ChildOfTheWilderness
The issue is that the club has been transitioning since Fergie left and never stopped because once we start getting bad results, the manager's gone and suddenly a new manager is in and we're going a completely new direction because there was no club structure with managers being the sporting and recruitment director as well. The transfer policy has been disastrous under Woodward and Arnold continuously overpaying for players and their wages while constantly chasing big name players but then panic buying at the end of the window when they can't get them, the overpaying for players. There have been numerous occasions were we missed out on young talent like Bellingham and Haaland because they couldn't provide a clear vision for these talents and look where they are now.
This is INEOS' first season and they have brought in a club structure and a transfer policy with a clear vision that focuses on the future while being sensible about fees and wages, this is a rebuild on top of the first rebuild under Ten Hag and it needs time to cook, there will be more bad results and performances but once the team starts to properly gel we'll be back on track to get back to the top and this time I believe with the new management it will actually stick.
We had some pretty bad results last season and Ten Hag kept his job. We have just had another bad result. I’m not saying EtH should lose his job but we are seeing regression against Liverpool, not progression.
What gives you any faith that ten Hag is the right man to see the vision through? Because all I see is familiar failings and no attempt to really change anything other than personnel. I mean sure, we're not conceding 20+ shots a game this season, that's great, but we're also not scoring goals and we're making so many mistakes, every time we concede it feels as though the loss is inevitable. One step forward, two steps back.
I cannot see how this ends in anything other than ten Hag's sacking.
@@BenMcManus The failings are familiar because the core missing pieces haven't been replaced, we still have Evans Maguire and Casemiro in the squad, making the risk of losing Licha and De Ligt the same threat, plus the horrible pre season planning that the club hasn't fixed yet. Old ones aren't good enough, and young players not close to complete yet, too few players with the required physicality and sharpness and having enough experience together. This is a proper start of a squad rebuild, and will take time and continuity.
@@rana1561 Then change something!! I can't accept losing so many games because the manager is too stubborn or not humble enough to do some introspection and look at the evidence that his ideas are consistently coming up short. Any fan will accept a rebuild if there's enough there to see that we're getting somewhere, I don't see it any more.
@@BenMcManus he's been compromising with his philosophy since day 1, remember those first few games where the team was incapable of building from the back, incapable of winning the ball back while pressing, incapable of holding the ball, incapable of pushing the rest defence line up confidently to close the gap, he spent the whole first making them play without a press, even had to give away the press last season, how long should he compromise because the club has left the squad profiles all over the place, I'd rather want him push his principles and keep exposing the rot in squad for the world to see, this is the true level of the squad, it's high time the players sink or swim. I think even ten Hag is tired of reverting to a setup a weaker side would implement when even the smaller clubs have managed to recruit players that can facilitate better physicality, pressing, hold up and positional discipline. Ten Hag is not scared of getting sacked because of a sub par squad, and i think even the newly hired experienced executives know how much behind the squad is, that's why instead of big signings they went for more number of replacements, and still find a lot of work left. The defeats will be necessary, because just to avoid too many losses, too many managers have been made scapegoats already in the club, not once the club worked on fixing the squad, INEOS has barely scratched the surface. Ten Hag was extracting performances in champions league with a side from a so called inferior league, but they refused to see the brute force needed to fix the inferior squad we have in process.
United are halfway through the open heart surgery Ragnick recommended as he was being fired, so it's all a bit of a mess. Ten Hag took over a shit show and is trying to build a winning side from that chaos. Sadly progress isn't linear and you get humbled by a far superior side like Liverpool occasionally, who were title contenders last season and are a well run club unlike United. Ten Hag might not be the guy but he deserves to at least have a fit starting 11 of players he chose to prove if he can progress to top 4 this season. 3 games in is a bit soon for folk to be calling for his head.
Didn’t expect to win but also didn’t expect to be dominated either.
Man Utd held Liverpool at Anfield and beat them at OT in the FA Cup (score draw after 90 mins). Progress (despite the terrible time last season) was made against Liverpool and thrown away yesterday.
Didn't he had three year
@@pratosaurusrex1128let’s be honest about the last years FA cup. United didn’t win it…Liverpool lost it.
What we saw is what should have happened in the semi last year.
You saw more control and game management from slot than klopp ever did.
@@Gunjack1440 yes and no to the FA cup match. Liverpool should have played better, sure. But Man Utd’s mentality in that game was to seek an equaliser, not crumble when things went against them.
Also let’s be real about the FA Cup game. At least 2 of Liverpool’s goals were very lucky… wicked deflections that couldn’t be saved. They happen but Liverpool had a lot of luck in that game too.
@@pratosaurusrex1128 there’s luck involved in every game, but when you’re up in a game there’s times to send everyone forward and there are times to shore up. Something that was consistent about klopp’s sides was the go all out mentality no matter the score.
Catching kelleher off the line to me was the unforgivable moment…..
Wow this is the first positive video. You give constructive feedback and criticism. But it’s not hate or trolling. Thanks man I needed this. From MU fan
Man this is a reasonable and balanced analysis from a Liverpool fan. You should analyse more clubs.
Always appreciate your level headed analysis. I’m a Dutch UTD fan so it’s cool to see two Dutch managers battle it out. I thought Liverpool was class. I give Arne Slot a ton of credit. If Gakpo could start firing it’s shaping up to be an interesting season for you guys.
Us on the other hand, well we’ll see
Can I just point out that the first 30 minutes of that game were brilliant? And it's been overshadowed by a team who on paper didn't perform much better than us?
We had a higher xg and played better football this szn then I’ve ever seen from united I’d much rather this (losing and having poor results but good performances in terms of playing a better system and better football) than what we got last szn where we lost lots of games whilst playing long balls and counter attacks after sitting deep it was a nightmare at least Ten Hag is persisting with a good style of play simple mistakes lost us the game people are just so reactionary because they see United losing to Liverpool at Old Trafford 3-0 and they jump on it after a tight loss the week before
10 minutes at most.. Liverpool had a goal ruled out 6 minutes in mate.
@@dwarfogaming9323 I'm not even sure half the comments on social media are from United fans.
It's this reactionary side of football that makes the sport so distasteful. Even United channels on TH-cam are falling into this reactionary commentary. Its sad!
I'm slightly optimistic for this new team. But I think we need a new bench in the next transfer.
@@Zagreus_07 completely against the run of play at that point
@@TheDeathOrange Game changed from that point.. All Liverpool after.
united is still such a counter attacking team and we want to play like we’re something else. but what’s worse this season is there’s no wing play saving us. changing your style starts from the back and we just addressed that. we’re now onto midfield and it’s showing. i’ve been a fan starting with moyes and it’s been a hard decade
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I wish Ten Hag start using 4-4-2 formation with wingers crossing the ball and overload the midfield and when attacking. Just like SAF did it.
Well said mate, good video. Nice to get a calm, sensible opinion on this, 3 games in and plastic fans/media are loosing it.
Nice comments on Saeed, but the guy is a mood hoover...1 loss and hes sacking everyone and having a meltdown...a few wins and hes got us winning the league. Thought you conducted yourself well in that interview with him, he's a bit of a bell.
But hold on its been 3rd season right not 3 games
@@robertocurrlos7470 but hold on, the video your commenting on is discussing this season (3 games in). Try and keep up
@sickboy6663 I think I am keeping up. If you think otherwise then good for you. But we united fans know how long it's actually been. Good day🙃 😊
@@robertocurrlos7470 na , your just not getting it bud lol
You mention 'we' fans, as if im not one...maybe try supporting your team, or go commemt on Goldbridge vids...lot of toxicity there, you will fit it 👍
@sickboy6663 sure. I'll take your advice. Goodbye 🙃 😊
Second time in last month ive been impressed by Laurence analysis of United.
Good stuff, keep it up mate cos mainstream analysis of the Premier League is so poor atm its all about headlines and getting viral clips like the Neville Carragher "Bust up"
Thank you for this. This video is basically what I've been saying almost since EtH came to the club. It's only now that the squad has begun to see significant improvements to it, namely bringing in the first true CDM in many, many years, and even now, 4 out of the 11 starters are either injured or otherwise unavailable (Hojlund, Yoro, Shaw, Ugarte). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure there's been a SINGLE game that EtH has had his first choice 11 starting since 2022. Meanwhile, City is so deep that their sub/reserve XI could compete with most other PL starting XI's. Would ANY of United's starting XI get in to the starting XI of City or Liverpool? I'd argue that only Mainoo and Fernandes would be able to get a start in those other squads
Imagine getting first young 23 year old defensive midfielder since Carrick, our fans have been truly overrating our squad built for years, we've been majorly lacking in it, plus the sub par training facilities that everyone knew, then continuously changing of managers, for once I am hopeful that we have enough executives to use their industry experience and knowledge to expect them not bending to fickle over expectation of fans and just do a long term job of building a squad for next 3 years, because it definitely will take atleast 3 years of continuous replacement of least contributing players and wrong contracts while fixing Carrington and day to day functioning of the club to see long-term stable improvements
They fear mainoo. So send him real Madrid lmmfao 😅
Bruno Fernandes was bad.
For people saying anything about 3rd season and all that I want to ask specifically three questions
1: if you were to rate man united players individual performance how many of those players will be below 5? My answer about 7 ( casemiro(0) Bruno (3) kobbie (4) zirkzee(3) rashford (4) garnacho(3.5) onana(3)- our whole midfield and strikers . Now ok the opposite side rate Liverpool players below 5? My answer 0.
2: 3 mistakes by individual players critical to the game play was made (casemiro 2) , kobbie (1) and was pounced upon by the clinical ability of Liverpool players . Man U got chances but they couldn’t make the use of them either by finishing or making the correct passes,why? My answer is individual incapabaility
3: if Liverpool had all Man U players and Man U had all Liverpool players in that game playing that same tactics, do you think Liverpool will win ? My answer No , why because the absolute incapability of casemiro would have allowed us get the ball with gravenbarch everytime , the duels won, the technicalities, the physical and mindset of the players wouldn’t be thesame .
Now lastly coach give tactics and player plays the game . Physical, mindfulness , wisdom , common sense is all down to the players , all goals where conceded by players errors , so many wrong passes where made by players , so many duels were lost by players , the players incapability disrupted any plans made. I hear fan channels immediately Liverpool scored a goal went straight to ten hag ,united stand, united view , kg the comedian , forever united , saeed, rants , and when you ask the question about what he has to do to the answer is he has to improve the players Physical, mindfulness , wisdom , common sense. Clicks, views, going with the crowd have removed common sense from people that even my brother who didn’t even watch the match told me yes ten hag is the problem . If 11players play on an average of 7 and we lose then I blame the manager but if you tell me 5 or 6 of the players played below (5) and you think it’s the managers fault .🤷🏾
But these games don't exist in a vacuum, we've seen consistently poor performances in games like this for 2 years now and it's been different personnel. The manager has to take his share of the blame for that.
@@BenMcManus facts the manager has to take some responsibility for most of the bad performances but I guarantee you triple guarantee you that if you can pick out any of those games you would have about 4-6 players with performances below 5 and mentality and mind strength below 5 and some Players made mistakes that led to goals and we wasn’t clinical and we made bad passes .if you care to cause I haven’t but scan and pick out any game and you would see this
@@Belvmadewrld for the whole of 21-22 I was giving the players ratings out of 10 for each game. Totally subjective (and tiring, so I didn't do it again), but I know what you're getting at.
The thing is ten Hag never takes responsibility for it and sets the players up to fail again and again. I've been trying to see the positives, but after watching us get battered... Again... I've run out of faith in him.
Don't forget EtH also gets the blame for how much the board spends on transfers and wages.
And he gets the blame for who transfers in despite it not being the job of a coach to scout players.
There's far too many NPC fans parroting what they her from the 'talking heads'.
It's true. Once we get hojlund back and ugarte comes in we will look better, aswell when the new plays get up to full pace, zirkzee looked sluggy yestrdy
What as hojlund proved ?
@@karzi22 that he can take his chances and score a few
Great video. It really does feel like a confidence thing with the team, feels like they just need to ‘click’ and then things could change quite quickly. Lots of if’s though and there is definitely a problem between styles/fit of the players and how fragile their mentality is. ETH wants to play high pressure, possession. Some of the key roles in that system though aren’t consistently fit or don’t suit that style but are almost undroppable because of their status, wages or injuries. Feels like things are close but also very far at the same time if that makes sense.
Finally some balance. Sky were unbearlable yesterday and TalkShi@e today. Not ideal of course and still some way to go. 'Hated or Adored but never Ignored!'
Such a reasonable video ❤ thanks from a Manchester United fan. All my best friends were Liverpool supporters when I was young. Even my dad is from Liverpool 😅. But a great tv special back in 94 with Bobby Chalton and a young Ryan Giggs inspired me and that hooked me into United. It's nice to see rival fans being objective with different teams. 👍
Liverpool do have an amazing spirit and I have always admired that. You'll Never Walk Alone is the epitome of that club. 🙏
You always make sense Laurence. The voice of reason.
After rewatching the game, I’m even more convinced that we are going to have a successful season if key players can stay fit. We did some pretty good stuff ones the emotions die down. If you can please rewatch the match with no emotions attached and you see what I’m talking about. Easy fixes for ETH.
Laurence has cracked the code by saying good things about Man Utd, against the current.
Mate, this is the first time I’ve come across you or your videos but WHAT A REFRESHING change. I absolutely love this video and what i like to call ‘a SENSIBLE conversation. Wow! Love it. What’s going on at the top is finally being taken seriously and I think the future is so bright and i do believe that we will be back but right now we r in transition. When Liverpool were in transition a couple of seasons ago, nobody was whinging but when it’s utd it’s diabolical.
Also I don’t think it’s said enough that everyone hates utd. I can’t really compare it to anything else cos I think it’s unique. Everyone hates us… pundits, the media, the commentators, fellow fans, it’s just so so childish.
Was tellin' my cuz nearly the exact same thing the other day. Hes made massive changes each year. Hes gotta be allowed build. Its the first time united have had an effective experienced board who are focusing on the pitch behind us. Whilst still working under certain restraints.. be patient
As a United fan myself, brother, we suck.
I like the new you Lars. The sensible approach/view point may not bring as many views, but reflects really well on you as a person and content creator. Keep it up Brother.
It's true, they'll be fine.
There's always excuses for Ten Hag but nobody gives good arguments why his tactics are good. His 316 in possession and 424 out of possession is not sustainable. This fan base high roads people criticizing the manager and call them negative, but in the same breath scapegoat players like Casemiro. Kobbie had the same problem as Casemiro when he played in the single pivot and Ten Hag didn't adapt all game. You guys want this club to fail, you're not man utd supporters, you're Ten Hag supporters.
The frustration comes from it being the third year of a rebuild that has been incredibly half assed. First year two key players were stop gap signings- Casemiro who was fifth choice and came in for way too much played every game he could with no viable rotation recruited. Eriksen also played every game he could with again no viable rotation option. Eriksen wasn't even supposed to come in as a starter. Ten Hag thought he was getting an experienced squad player and they'd also get a new 8. Martinez did amazing, but also came in for way too much. Every possible deal negotiated ended at either a small or a huge loss for the club. Antony was not supposed to come for 80 million. Ronaldo was at the very end of his career and Anthony was incredibly injury prone. Neither should have been starting, all the club got was an emergency loan Weghorst. There was no real clearout of many players that should have moved on way before Ten Hag came in. Somehow he made it to third with all the drama happening. His game management then with how many wins out of nothing were squeezed evaporated from all memory.
Then comes the next season with people having far out expectations with zero chance of being met that the team is going to "build forward" from that place and do just as, or even better. No chance in hell. Next disaster summer transfer season begins.
The club has no strikers. Martial still can't play, his legs are gone. I don't know how much of it is Ten Hag's fault, but recruitment wastes the whole season chasing after Kane who'd cost no less than a 100 million pounds besides wages which Levy obviously had no intention of ever selling to what is now a close rival for a spot at the league table. No "experienced" striker came at all. The rotation option that would be a younger player to develop also came at a premium price and started nearly every game with enormous pressure to perform immediately. Despite fans patience the need was there. Eriksen and Casemiro are cooked out of their last drops of energy after a heavy first season and still neither have rotation options. Amrabat barely ever played in his position. Rashford can't replicate his form as the team is no longer built entirely around him shooting and he can't adapt at all. Likely doesn't want to as he preferred a striker like Martial that would create for him and move away from goal. The complete lack of any squad depth was fully exposed that season along with still almost nobody but De Gea on his massive wages being moved on.
Another interesting thing is Ten Hag for one was not interested in immediately replacing De Gea. He wanted to reduce the massive contracts multiple underperforming players were. While De Gea was only underperforming in terms of on the ball ability relative to just about any keeper in the league besides Pickford, he wanted to keep his wages and a contract longer than just a year. Agreement couldn't be reached and he left with all the blame coming down on Ten Hag alone. Onana comes in for higher than he should have. After Rashford's one good season, despite Ten Hag's fruitless attempt at reducing wages, gets a huge new contract almost as if the owners are picking players for the manager based on how many shirts they'll sell. Bruno plays almost the full season out of position. Not by anyone's choice. There were no viable options outside just playing every academy kid. Bruno has nobody to rotate with yet again and is fatigued.
Everything goes wrong including the best 11 being available less than 5 games the entire season.
Third Season approaches. Ratcliffe is here and he's also desperate to get "his man" in and get rid of the manager to prove how he's so much different than the Glazers. Barrada and Ashworth come in a bit late to the party and go against Ratcliffe right away preferring to back Ten Hag. Third year into supposed rebuild with very little "rebuilding" happening. Almost one foot out and one in. Mount has to be both a winger, a 10 and an 8, not necessarily because he's amazing at all three, but because the manager doesn't trust recruitment and needs someone to do everything. A 19 year old has to save the club as the only good starting option as an 8. At this point probably a better 6 than Casemiro too. Still playing a developing unproven striker and get another one. De Ligt, Mazraoui, Ugarte arrive late. The squad has pretty much had less than an actual week of training together. Preseason was a promotional tour for the owners to make bank and key players to get injured. Almost nobody is sharp, or fit. Still no real clearout, too few signings for what were decent prices, but in the background of how many more needed to be bought and sold, too costly. All Ten Hag can say publicly is repeat "We need many more signings" without blasting recruitment. All this builds up to what should inevitably be a poor, slow start to the season for a team praying no more injuries happen at all and on paper aren't going to be good enough for anywhere above 5th under ideal conditions. Still no real rotation options for almost every position. Yoro - the other developing player that shouldn't even be a starter comes to play for a very high wage as if Ten Hag's efforts to reduce them are for nothing. He's not going to sign a new contract next year on lower wages. Cost can only go up.
We can't know is Ten Hag the one doing all this telling recruitment to only buy him players for over 50 million pounds and to sell nobody. He agreed on the "open heart surgery" statement Rangnick had, so I doubt he's the one pushing for few expensive signings every season. He's getting criticized over player picks when there's nobody to pick from. Not starting Rashford isn't going to win you a match. These losses aren't happening because any one specific player shouldn't be starting and that's with Casemiro's blunders included. Garnacho is just as poor defending and just as inconsistent, but also inexperienced. Both have produced more moments than solid performances. Both don't hold width well and are poor creatively, for both there's no left back to overlap them in their best position. Not having enough players is leading into a looping spiral of failure where the ones that are good get overplayed and can never regain their form back and the ones that were never good enough have to start or academy kids have to perform miracles.
Moyes - counter atacking futbol. Glazers
Van Gaal - possession bassed futbol Glazers
Mourinho- Park the bus Glazers
Ole - counter attacking Glazers
Ragnick- Gegenpress Glazers
Ten hag- possession based press Glazers
multiple mangers, Every play style, expierenced mangers, big trophy winning mangers, Modern futbol inovative mangers. We've seen everything at United and weve been shite the only constant is the Glazers you cant blame the farmer for rotten fields when the land owner has poisoned it. Under this new Regime if done right and given control we will see changes weather that be in the next couple of weeks or the next couple of years. Ten Hag and what he's done with this united team is quite impressive considering the variables he's faced from injuries to lack of options. While yes he hasn't looked the best you have to realize a manger can only do so much to help a team put pep on fulhum they dont get much better but put his foundation under fulhums manger and they become a much better team. You can take a look at Carlo when he was at everton and madrid now and you can allso look at ten hag at ajax and bayern teams with amazong foundations how well he is under them. So unless we want to restart the same cycle that we've been cursed with its best we stay with ten hag give him and Ineos a year or two complete the project and only then can we judge. Pin this comment im sure of it. Yanited Yanited
I honestly think that Arne's post match pitch side interviews were more damning to MUFC morale than the actual game itself. Arne Slot showed why he's already a million miles ahead of ETH.
Nah bro slot has many weak point only can be seen after several games...if an injury occurs he will not be finding balance ...from a liverpool fan ❤..every team has a downfall and raise in every season winner are those who manage these things brilliantly
Honestly people are piping this interview off to a ridiculous extent. All he said was they are pressing with a 9 and a 10. Anybody with eyes can see that. He hardly dismantled ten haha tactics
@@ocarey2 I get it - but I think it's centered more around the idea that ETH has been there 3 years running and doesn't have a clear style - but Slot comes in 3 games and you can clearly see players have adapted his style and already knows what United try to do different from last season... you can't argue that.
Very good and logical analysis, loving the content Laurence
If it was a season or two ago, they wouldn't have created those chances. The midfield is still lacking. Probably, if Utd had a better midfield, the game would have been different. As well as there was a lack of cohesion in the attack in some of the counters.
Buddy I'm a hard core utd fan and we know we are bad I don't know about the future but I know that the lats month was shit if your not a utd fan belive me no matter what your going through thank God it's not worse by supporting utd at this point in time hope it gets better with time but for now it's dark times and only the real football fans can stay strong during this❤❤
Bruh, I’m staying away from toxic videos cus I’m legit starting to dislike utd fans and that’s scary as a utd supporter lol
@@leri7222 stay strong brother just like our predecessors in the70's and 80's the sun will rise again and the natural order of things will be restored ❤️❤️
What does it mean to stay strong? I've backed every manager we've had until it became clear that they had nowhere left to turn. What gives you any faith that ten Hag can turn this into something sustainable because I cannot see it anymore.
@@BenMcManus who told you to have faith in ETH? Have faith in man utd the glazers reactionary decisions are over so we like or not ten hag is going nowhere because the upper management believe that he's the most capable man for the job is it right or wrong that doesn't matter its not the fans making the decisions dose it mean to lose faith in utd and give up support because ETH is there absolutely not
@@BenMcManus well the definition of faith is trust/hope in something without any real evidence to back it up. But ask yourself, in the 3 games so far, are you seeing some signs of progress… for me, I say yes.. it might be small but I can see/have faith that with time and consistency, progress will be made and things will get better. BUT(I think this is where fans go from extreme to extreme) it’s not necessary that he be the one to win us the league. He can be relatively successful but not win the league and still get sacked.
A Liverpool fan spitting more facts than most Man Utd fans and all tv pundits (from a Man Utd fan)
I absolutely agree that you have to axe some of the "senior" players. Shaw, Maguire, Rashford, Eriksen.. these guys will do a good job elsewhere, but the players that have been there through these multiple rebuilds need to be taken out from the team before Ten Hag can really implement his ideas.
Losing before an international break always sets up a fun news cycle around us.
We lost to two of the best teams in the league (albeit a small sample size, but that doesn’t stop people from judging us off that either), in games that by the metrics were closer than the story allows. So for a month it’s been/will be negative and scrutinizing.
Ten Hag deserves criticism and has to answer questions. But there’s a quasi unrealistic stance a lot of opinions stand on (from our own fans as well) that our squad is better than what it is. Focused on price tags and not performances.
Far too many people blame the manager and not enough people call out the players. Since the run up to Solskjaer's sacking, players have been an issue that not enough fana and pundits call out. Yes, Casemiro was directly at fault for 2 goals, but Fernandes' passing was no better. Or Onana in whom, I have decidedly started losing faith. David de Gea was losing his way a bit, but was still a better shot stopper than Onana, and in the grander scheme of things, I'd rather have a shot stopper than a distributor (PS: Distribution is why we brought Onana, and he's not even showing that!). The coach can change formation, tactics and selection but if the players who are on the pitch can't recognize the flaws in themselves that allows them to cover it worse, do the basic running required to be a top 10 side, then it doesn't matter. Zidane or Pep would do no better.
Also, I just want to point out the supremely lazy analysis that Ten Hag is trying to "recreate his old Ajax side" or only buys players from Holland. Mourinho brought Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira and Jose Bosingwa from Porto to Chelsea, David Moyes brought Fellaini from Everton. Van Gaal brought Memphis. It is not uncommon. The real issues are (and I want people to be intelligent here), the coach does not buy players, the club do. If the management is stupid enough to pay a kings ransom for 1 player, has nothing to do with the coach. And if they are so spineless that they cannot say, player A is too expensive, we'll give you a similarly profiled but cheaper Player B, that's on them too. Van der Sar as CEO of Ajax actually said he told that mug Ed Woodward "how high can you go for Antony?". We now know the answer. The other thing is a deal is a deal. If you can get the player who is value for money for you and/or at least understands the philosophy you are trying to get across, does it matter where they are from. Ten Hag's first 2 games proves that English players at least at the time cannot wrap their minds around the tactics he was trying to pass across, and after 3 years, those who still remain still don't get it.
Lastly, every club has taken United for a ride, and United want to do only smart deals. De Ligt and Mazraoui even with add-ons cost far less than the idiotic demand from Everton for the one player. Rival fans and pundits would have mocked us if we did that deal. It matters not that they played for Ten Hag before. All it means is that it's easier to convince them to come, especially De Ligt whom we wanted to sign 5 years ago.
The decision made by INEOS was a poor one to keep EtH in a job, you can see he doesn't want to be there cos this statement shows a sense of ignorance & acceptance against the fanbase that knows the FACTS that has affected their performance. They don't look ready cos we think the players are 2 weeks behind so fitness, focus, conditioning & sharpness has to improve imensely to get anything from this season!
Finally someone on my wavelength. Being a Man Utd fan all my life, this one’s going to be a positive one. We just need a “click” to start winning.
De Ja Vu again! Why is EtH carrying the Terrible Twins (Maguire & Lindelof) for 2 seasons, encouraging mediocracy & sentiment at the Club. It has been going on for too long now. Getting De Ligt shows we can offload Maguire, Lindelof, Bruno & Eriksen + any other surplus players.
Now we can persue Todibo for next season, Inàci, Rabiot, Eze & Ferguson then we can seriously challenge for league & Europa league this season!
As a United fan thank you. You have become the most insightful content creator on United. I think that is called irony.
This issue with Ten Hag is that he’s trying to apply tactics which worked in the Eredivisie; a less physical league where there is more time on the ball and less pressure/less high pressing which is a relatively new phenomenon in the premier league which is one of the most physically demanding leagues.
He’s playing a system which is characterised by quick attacks with direct sequential passing from the goalkeeper to the attacking positions, requiring large amounts of space between players when attacking. He also likes to have his l/rbacks marauding forwards. This means that midfielders have to cover a large amount of space and that there are often only two defenders back, leading to one on one situations if the ball is lost in transition.
One of the keys to Ajax, is that they had the advantage of being able to hone their ability to play this system under less pressure, meaning when in a higher pressure situation they had more confidence, more accurate passing and so on. It’s unlikely in the premier league that this team will ever have that opportunity to develop confidence or crispness in playing this system, it’s also a lot more taxing physically and mentally as they know that if they lose the ball they are going to have to run like fuck. It also doesn’t help that some players, Bruno being the notable example, Casemiro too often play unnecessarily risky passes from positions where they’re vulnerable to a quick transition. This causes turn overs and tires the team out especially in midfield, which in turn decreases the accuracy and concentration levels further.
Entirely agree, sadly. Thanks for your empathy and clear reasoning (and also for having a descriptive title, rather than a sensationalist one!). you made a great point about his interpersonal skills, but it can't be easy if players refuse to give 100% & are seen literally giving up and sulking in a red shirt. shameful really. hope we can at least start giving you a proper game next time. Cheers for all you do :)
Here from that Saeed video. Good points here .. subscribed... But Ten Hags transition football tactics don't work ..players or not .. he doesn't charge.. ultimately its a results game..lose enough and you'll get the sack
When you play Rashford you always feel a man down in terms of defending pressing and ball winning.
He did present some attacking threat however but when you compared his work rate to the Liverpool forwards it was night and day. On his day Rashford is one of the best forwards in the Prem however I don't think we will get anymore of those days from him , i think on a personal level the game moved on and teams have his number this is why he finds it hard.
The Manchester United midfield has been a ongoing disaster and simply United have tried to gaffer tape sticking plaster and any combinations to fix it .
I could not understand the midfield formation ETH chose to play against Liverpool baffling when he had tried the same combination many times last season and it failed. The goals looked similar to the Brighton goals in terms of finding the back post and a number of players queuing up to put the ball in the back of the net and yet we saw no improvement there. Our forward s found the going tough .
I am seeing some improvement especially ball retention and the press however no end product.
I can see us in the top ten but not in the top 4 we still have a long way to go
I disagree,if rashford leaves united,he,ll be one of the best players,imagine pple blaming him after that game🤣If I was him,I wouldn't be arsed about this club anymore,everytime he has a good or ok game,he,s attacked by pple like golbridge and his confidence goes back down,u,d think the league is filled with world class left wingers,Martinelli has worse numbers than him last season in a superior team,did u hear any hate,grealish was trash the whole of last season,even Diaz had 13g/a the whole of last season in an attacking Liverpool team,,,and don't get me started about the coach,When tenhag extended his contract,he didn't extend the contract of a playmaker but of a goalscorer,it is clear the coach told him to stop taking as many shots last season coz even in the past when he was underperforming,he would always take multiple shots a game in and out of the box which is one of his best attributes but if he does,you,ll hear people like golbridge saying he,s greedy ect
I did not expect this from Mckenna. A surprise.
The one of the biggest problem Man Utd have got is scoring goals. Against Liverpool possession, passes, shots and chances were very even. Difference was the individual errors. Some of these players are tactically very naive, some just don’t bothered or care.
Finally someone articulates this well. Honestly being a united fan I sometimes feel that I’m in the minority when it comes to this way of thinking, there’s some absolute bums in our fan base that are so reactive to the specific results. There’s a bigger picture here and more context than just the results
As a long time fan the patience has worn thin and i think that’s why most fans are so frustrated. The outside point of view is so important and shows the true problems we’ve yet to address. I really hope he’s not sacked by the next break. That’s not the solution at this point. Thank you!
I noticed 3 things so far this season:
Firstly, the first 3 games if the season we have dominated the ball possession, but we need to be more effective on the ball and more intensive in passing it. We could have easily beaten Fulham and Brighton but we failed to do that because of the next issues that I will mention below.
Secondly, we are very ineffective and fail to punish teams when we put ourselves in great attacking positions, just take a look at the 4 great chances we missed against Fulham (2 from Fernandes,1 from Mount and 1 from Garnacho).Against Brighton when the score we 0-0 Amad could have easily put us ahead and we had great counter attack situation where Amad made poor decision and to add salt to our wound, Garnacho's goal was rightly chopped off. Against Liverpool as much as we were 3nil down, Zirkzee could have scored two goals and I promise you if that was a very lethal finisher those two chances could gone in.
Thirdly, we don't know how to manage or defend critical situations when the team is either under pressure or when we are outnumbered attack vs defence or when a ball is lost critical position on the field. It seems like every single time we find ourselves in critical defensive situation we are bound to concede, like the two mistakes from Casmiro could have still been defended better if our players have that positional awareness whe we are under attack and the ability to smell danger when we are under attack. All these is evident from all the goals we have conceded so far in the league. To illustrate what makes United's defending bad compared to Liverpool, Arsenal and City, is when you look at in the first half we had counter attack where if Bruno played KDB kind of pass Rashford would have been in one on one with the keeper but Liverpool defended that crisis well. Another example in that game is the two saves that Allison made was two moments of crisis which the Liverpool keeper managed to save the team from, let's not be delusional and make it seem like Liverpool's could've not conceded. The same way we don't have a keeper who saves us in moments of crisis, all the balls just seem to go in. That is one of the big differences between United have Edwin Van der Sar or De Gea in goal. United could have easily lost points when we played the United way under Ferguson, because the keeper was good and the defense could manage a lot critical and moments of crisis with great awareness, football intelligence and anticipation of danger. Man city could have easily been 1nil down against West Ham in the first 3 or 5 minutes if Ederson did not make one or two critical saves in the beginning of the match and the same applies to the Arsenal keeper and defense, they manage critical defensive situations better than United. We literally always concede, it almost feels like panick mode. People won't even realize that we manage to beat Fulham 1nil because we managed those critical or moments of crisis very well, Maguire's interception, Martinez clearance and how he ended defending against Troare. Even Onana made one or two saves which were easy but could easily been goals on any other day.
Plus to add to everything, the gap between Bruno with Mainoo and Casemiro was really bad against Liverpool, that's why everytime we won the ball quickly against Liverpool we lost it at same rate Because players are hiding and not be enough to create spaces to receive the ball.
The problem was the loss to Brighton. No one can argue that Liverpool is currently a much better team than United. Losing to Liverpool, City and Arsenal home and away should have no bearing on whether or not Manchester United have a good season. Ultimately it will come down to how well they perform against the other 16 teams.
Honestly , it is the hardest thing being a Man United fan. You can see there are players on the pitch who are playing in fear. They know they can't make a mistake otherwise they will be ripped to literal shreds by their own fans. It is such a toxic environment . Literally even Ronaldo , the worlds most confident player , succumbed to this endless toxicity. The fans have these extremely high standards for no good reason. And even if the team has a decent game , comparing to previous United teams it still does not live up to expectation. I think playing for United is a living hell, the players get no joy out of it . A joyless team is a team that will never be able to gel , a team that will never be able to build chemistry and score goals . Manchester United has the worst fans , and that's a fact . They are shallow , judgemental, glory hunters who only expect the best. Nothing is ever enough for them, because the Ferguson days are engraved in their minds.
Mark Goldbridge is the prime example of this toxicity . Even Roy Keane exhibits the same attitude all the time on sky sports. Just criticism, negativity and insults. And these are the so called "fans" of the club .
I think it’s just confidence. The players are not confident to execute a very attacking aggressive game plan. Because they’ve played under relatively pragmatic and defensive coaches for a while now. From LVG to mourinho, to OGS. That’s affected the squad mentally.
Great take on the current situation, definitely not as bad as it's being portrayed. 15 games in to the season is when you can have a real take on this
Liverpool’s big chances (apart from Casemiro's errors) came mostly in the 2nd half, when United tweaked their shape to a more man for man setup, taking more risks and committing more men forwards as they were chasing the game. The chances for both sides grew as a result.
The game was even and 100% there for the taking prior to the unforced errors. United were let down by their own decision-making + execution in the final 3rd. Both sides had similar final 3rd entries. Not to mention being aided by Casemiro's brain farts for the first two, which swung the tie.
Ultimately, Liverpool were ruthless with their early big chances - goals change games, and it's what fundamentally decided the tie. But it's not the same as United being outplayed or outfought through a tactical masterclass over 90 mins etc etc. Massive difference and is disingenuous to say so
United aren’t suppose to lose to Liverpool at home 3-0. No excuses, no valid points.
What is bad? Anyway, it is certainly not as bad as many think. The formation is wrong. Erik ten Hag has to adjust this formation to a 1-4-3-3 or a 1-4-2-3-1. That is defensively much more reliable and sustainable.
Finally a normal guy who gets it we will have high highs this season and some more lows
That's just it, it's the open heart surgery Ralf was talking about, i think over 18 players left the club in this tranfer window ALONE. That is really overlooked, we have new players too, who weren't there for preseason for us or their previous clubs, playing in our first games of our season. I have no idea what happened to Rashford. It's sad to watch Casemiro man, but i believe Urgate will come good, that will allow Case to be a beast in cup games.
Besides the noise, De Ligt and Yoro will be standout players by end season, as well as Amad and Garna and our strikers, and it will all start when that hole is plugged and hungry players start games.
TH-cam doesn't like positive united fans?? Where have you been hiding??? 😅 I agree, we have certainly improved from last 2 seasons.. Casemiro wasn't part of FA cup squad and it's obvious he isn't part of this 1st team building.. plus we had 3 shots on target and missed, they had 3 shots and scored 🤷🏽♂️ main 2 issues I see is midfield goals and backpost goals
ten hag could fix this really easily, just quit. the job of a manager is to manage the players available to him and definately not to force players into a system they aren't capable of playing
I love your content in general but I have to disagree with this. Saying this is a transitional season for United is far too generous. This is Ten Hag’s third season now and no one can say he hasn’t been backed. A lot of the signings are players he would’ve specifically targeted and none of them have been an inarguable success. Coming 8th last year and then starting this season poorly after being backed again. There have been a few injuries which I accept but a complete lack of identity and playing style is simply not good enough, especially when we’ve seen other managers instil a clear philosophy with much less time. United are one of the biggest clubs and after all this time and money spent there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be competing with City/Arsenal/Liverpool. I’d be surprised if ETH is still manager at Christmas
He approaches every match as though the result doesn't matter, only some nebulous end goal we're supposedly heading towards, that's why I've given up on him now. I cannot believe he thinks this is acceptable given how things went last season.
Not just that but Ten Hag just seems to struggle to get his ideas across. Why bother with a press system when the defensive line is not high enough. We got done by Liverpool for that sole reason alone, every time they nicked the ball off our player in the midfield they had ample room to run into because the defence was so far back. The kind of tackles Liverpool profited from were at best 50/50s and if we had a high enough line there would have been an extra layer of protection. Liverpool’s coach even stated that he exploited United’s disjointed press particularly in the midfield. Casemiro was bad yesterday but at best he exposed United’s tragic press system. 1 bad pass in a compact team shouldn’t lead to goal scoring opportunities. Ten Hag is annoying.
True, many new managers play much better football in their first year. Ten Hag's system requires too specific players and too intense performances to work. Young lads can do it at Ajax under an Eredivisie schedule. I doubt senior players can do it under the premier league calendar.
You're obviously not old enough to remember Sir Alex's years. I doubt that your football knowledge can comprehend what it actually takes to build something that can win consistently.
In Sir Alex's first years we finished in the bottom half of the table but I bet you ain't old enough to remember that.
Man Utd were not that bad at all, the patterns of play is so much better than last year, the difference is, Utd gave all 3 goals as a gift with some howlers playing out from the back and poor decision making
I feel like EtH isn't adaptable tactics wise. In the 2 seasons he's been Utd coach, we've seen new managers come with different ideas and stamp those ideas creating a new identity for their teams eg (Ange, Iraola, Emery, Glasner), we've also seen veteran managers find new ideas to adapt to the evolving tactical landscape of the Prem eg (Pep, Klopp, Arteta) but EtH seems to be stubborn in his ideas. Ever since the "Best transition team in the world", he's been stuck in just one way of football and so far since it's majorly not working and he's still doubling down instead of finding tweaks to make it better. Other than the new 4-2-4 pressing structure, it's literally the same as last season.
Obviously, they'll do better than last season based on the fact that they most probably won't get that many injuries again but other than that, I can barely see Utd being higher than 6th at season's end. I don't see him as the manager to Utd a Premier League title, he's at most a cup manager unless he realises that he has adapting and tweaking to do.
The injuries excuse was something last season. But it’s overstated. I mean come on, even with the players fit it’s awful football. Let’s stop acting like Shaw and hojland are the saviors. Or that ugarte will be magic and suddenly the players will have a clue what to do in all phases. At what point will it be ok to say the coaching isn’t good enough, and even the signings don’t make sense. Yoro is an 18 year old center back, he’s not meant to start every game, but could be world class in a few years. Shaw has never been a consistently fit player throughout his career, so I don’t get banking on it at this point. The mazraoui signing is a lateral move but okay I guess. Rashford has been poorly platformed and there’s yet to be a solution for the left side of the pitch. Towards the end of last season, yeah the team was ravaged by injuries, but performance wise the team played like one of the bottom 5 teams in the whole league, and that’s just unacceptable. The performance against Liverpool wasn’t so bad, they were just neutralized effectively and Liverpool was extremely clinical, even with the offside goals.
We're a different team this season. The new press is much better. Copa America players looked sluggish against Liverpool, zirksee having his first start wasn't up to the pace. Casemero was a disaster. But who on our bench was going to change that game? Amad, maybe. It was absolutely huge, him bringing colyer on for Casemero. Erikson is done. Who else was a game changer on our bench??
@@StuartSmith-kb5pf Utd has barely changed. Other than the 4-2-4 pressing structure, you might as well be the same as last season. There's only one Copa America player who played for Utd on Sunday, Licha and yeah it was a bad game for him. The system Utd is using isn't utilizing your players strengths or hiding their weaknesses and as such, they get exposed massively, creating the individual errors that opponents pounce on.
Like why is Rashford being used as a touchline winger when he's an inside forward. Why is the midfield setup in such a way that everything defensively depends on Casemiro winning majority of duels which we've seen especially from last season, he's struggling to do. Why is your defence which is very suitable for playing a high line, hanging around at the box. Why is Onana is still majorly kicking long in the buildup phase. Casemiro is being forced to be a progressive passer when we all know that he's a ball winning midfielder. Mainoo instead of being a progressive carrier is being given the extra task of covering for Casemiro' s mistakes.
EtH's tactics this season feel absolutely half baked. He's being outclassed and he's not finding solutions. He should go back to the drawing board because if Slot can figure out Utd's weaknesses in 2 minutes then what about people like Pep, Arteta etc
Exactly these fans piss me off. The entire last yr we backed ten hag and knew he was the right man. Now we are playing a an actual style we havent played since sir alex. High press 4-2-4 out of possession and 3-1-6 in possession. Thats why mount was so good before getting injured again. Now with ugarte double pivot with mainoo, the fullbacks push up and licha and de ligt enter the midfield. For the first time in a long time we got a ball playing defence. We need a proper no. 9 back in hojlund. Players need to adjust and come back. This is a rebuild from 10 yrs ago. We need more squad depth.
So results don't matter then? I can't accept that without seeing something that suggests there is a better future to come with ten Hag. I just can't see it, he's not showing it at all.
I'm not a United fan.
@@BenMcManus yes. But cmon when see u the Liverpool game, they were lucky that's it. They're going to be exposed soon. Also ineos have backed him and they will look like idiots if they sack him anytime soon
Those chances came after it was already 3-0 and Liverpool were cruising
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction to Man Utd atm. It's gonna take a while for ETH to get a the squad he needs. There was so much dead wood when he arrived. Last season was ruined with injuries, yet they still managed to win a major trophy. It's clear that ineos has been a positive impact on the club. But they have only just arrived. Patience is needed.
Brighton got abit lucky and VAR scammed Utd.
The scoreline flattered Liverpool. All 3 of their goaks came from player mistakes, Casemiro basically gifted Liverpool 2 goals, and Zirkzee missed 2 sitters. Both teams only had 3 shots on target. 11 total for Liverpool and 8 total for Utd.
I said this during the game we didnt play as bad as the score line suggested.
What I think is that the media loves to earn views with United, this whole thing about not having a way of playing is part of it. I'm doing my couch badges and I can see ways of playing, the inverted full backs, how they beat the press, the wingers position etc etc. The media will say they don't have a style, even after the manager repeated many times about the transactional play and dominating possession, you will get people, especially Liverpool supporters and others who hate United say, they don't have a way of play. I argue the contrary, it's mainly because their way of playing that teams can pick them apart, not because they don't have a way of playing.
United do not do the basics right.
They are a tactical mess under Ten Hag.
6 shots on target and just 2 goals in 3 games and 2 defeats this season shows how poor United are.
Fire Ten Hag Now.
I think you need to talk about that Gravenberch performance yesterday 🔥
Wasn't hard against a shite united 😊
We've missed the most big chances in the league and apparently we're just playing bad, some people are so reactionary and stupid
Manchester United created a higher xg than Liverpool it was those mistakes from Casemiro that shifted momentum in Liverpool’s favour as they were clinical and played with conviction compared to united who struggled in both boxes to prevent big chances and create lots of dangerous chances. Fans are reactionary it’s pretty clear Ten Hag’s system has worked well this szn United have played much better football in every game I haven’t seen United press and pass the ball out the back this well since Fergie was here maybe even ever. Ten Hag set up his team well it isn’t his tactics that lost us the game against Liverpool it was simple mistakes. Last szn untied were awful we played horrible football and lost big I would much rather united finish 7th and play good football, or try to, rather than get UCL and play a poor system with long balls and defending deep so this is huge progress. The proof is the anfield draw last szn everyone was happy we held Liverpool to a draw at anfield 0-0 despite conceding 30+ shots and defending deep the whole game this is huge improvement in performance and style of play even if the score line and result isn’t ideal
I watched the match back, and you’re so right. I saw a lot of positives. Cut out individual mistakes and it would have been very different ❤❤
I always appreciate your views.
I thought today I would wake up less stingy, less bruised but I am in fact just as astonished. I am not ETH out but we are playing an insane system. Literally every build up has to come off exactly right. If it doesn't? 5 attackers are already on their way to goal. And boy do things not go exactly right OFTEN.
I get we have to be patient, again, but there has to be some practicality shown by the manager. The same practicality he showed in his first, and most competent-looking season.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't familiar with Saaed's entire catalog and I'll leave it at that.
Is it a 3rd year syndrom? Jose, Ole and now ETH?
This rashford talk is so hyperbolic. He was our most threatening attacker and created 2 chances out of nothing. He hasnt been playing like he lacks confidence but people like neville saying it builds a narrative so strong it ends up knocking it eventually. All the other attackers were significantly more poor than Rashford, only so much one guy can do, especially in todays game, another day he leaves with 2 assists and united’s motm
My thing with United is when they look bad, they look BAD. They looked decent in this game until they conceded a coupel goals, and suddenly it feels like they could concede 5.
There are improvements but there are still pretty clear structural issues. Still a hole between the midfield and defense. We'll see how Ugarte makes a difference.
its really embarrassing nowadays
even these guys makes more sense
man united and ten hag are tho most protected things in football rn
So glad to see some thoughtful reaction. Too many are looking at headlines and extrapolating to a point of disaster because that's where they seem comfortable - everything is brilliant or catastrophic. Brighton game man utd were the better team (Brighton were undercooked as well), deserved a draw at least. Idiotic player errors lead to last minute goal... These things happen especially at start of the season. Liverpool, again the team played well initially and it was clear what was being attempted, albeit imperfectly. 2 crucial individual mistakes from a player that I think most in the hierarchy would have hoped wouldn't be here this season and the team lost their composure for a bit and Liverpool were excellent at taking advantage. Added to that poor finishing, and the scoreline looks very one sided. I'm not arguing that Liverpool weren't the better team... But I think the description of the score as a "thrashing" purposefully overlooks the details. The point is, man utd are instigating a style of play that, when mastered by the players will be successful against most teams. It's possible to snatch results against the best teams by playing counterattack like under solskjaer, but then you run into teams you're expected to beat and they do the same to you. Any coach would experience teething problems making this transition. I'm not wedded to the idea of ETH no matter what, but let's complete the transition and then see how he matches up against the best in the detailed tactical aspects that marks great modern coaches. If he's found wanting we can replace him with someone who will have a solid foundation for once- not a mismatched squad of players with poor attitudes who can't play the way the management wants. Struggle is a necessary part of success.
Positivity in football. I want this. I'm a utd fan and i just want to see things in a better and more optimistic light. Not deluded but want to see more than the negativity in the fanbase
Rome wasn't built in a day! Part of the problem with players at United is that they are playing for the money, not the badge. Was very sorry to see Scott go coz he played with his soul. Liverpool are strong after a long spell with a quality manager who turned down United because of the mess it was in. This season should be about blooding the youth players to get ready for the future, our youth team look very promising, loved the 1-9 thrashing from last season.ETH is good at bringing in young players to play his style, so fans should chill a little and maybe in a few seasons time we'll be in a better position. Good things come to those who wait.
The start of this season has been much the same and at the same time the opposite of last year.
The results have been disappointing to say the least, we started the season without a LB again and some of the problems are the same as last year.
On the other hand, the press looked miles better, we create more goalscoring opportunities and concede far fewer shots. Last year we got away with some results (wins) we didn't deserve. So far this season we've deserved better than the results suggested.
It is possible for United to finish 8th again and still have improved massively as long as the underlying metrics are better. I think I read/heard we deserved to be 13th or something abysmal based on underlying stats last season.
An excellent look at the problem. You may or may not be right on the various issues. But your analysis benefits from you stepping away from the madding crowd and giving, I think, real perspective.
That's like being in pain and someone trying to convince you that you really aren't because of some stats. The only important stat is the result. If the results hurt and the prescribed medication isn't working then it's time to get a second opinion on the matter
We dont have squad depth. For the first time in a long time, we have built a ball playing aggressive starting XI. We dont have a left back and need ugarte. So stop calling ten hags head and support him! Arne slot inherited a perfect young squad that got rebuilt for him. Klopp, arteta and ten hag inherited broken squads!
Facts bro I’m with you…. The impatience of the fans is crazy really. They want succes fast
If you spend half a billion pounds and brought in almost 10 of the players you want in your third season and no progress
@@MoksiLesi91 true man. At least u understand.
@@arnoldokenwa5058 no progress? Our high press is aggressive, we've created so many chances in our last games, we are the best team at winning balls high up the pitch. So ye it'll take time. It's a rebuild for a reason.
Until united attackers start offering a threat, the defense will get picked apart.
Dont listen to this guy. He just wants Ten Hag to stay because it is entertaining for him
I agree that a moderately improved United side, going slowly in the right direction, can still get murdered by Liverpool playing well on a new manager bounce.
But I disagree; reverting to a compact formation, which led to a 0-0 away last season, did Ten Hag no harm whatsoever. That was definitely a result enjoyed by the fanbase and counted in his favour in that strategic review.
The new look hierarchy and club board knows exactly where the team's current level is, but the commercial side is such a massive machine, and it doesn't brand itself as an also-ran. Fuelled by this and in reaction to rival fans putting us down United fans, myself included, spend the off-season almost unconsciously rebuilding our expectations to reach ridiculous heights instead of leaving them where they rightly were after a 4-0 loss to Crystal Palace, or being 3-0 up against Coventry and not winning.
Still.
Early doors.
Funny old game.
Oh cmon, there would be a sizable part of the fanbase complaining that we “sat back and countered” against Liverpool at OT instead of “going for it”
I agree with you OP that we do want it all as fans. We want pragmatism, but we also don't want to only play that way because we want to see our team impose themselves.
But... That's literally ten Hag's job to find that balance and personally I think he's getting it wrong. He plays as though results don't matter and I can't see how this ends in anything other than him being sacked
@leri7222 I wouldn't say sizeable at all, I think its no exaggeration to say the majority 75 to 80% were happy, although there's no way of knowing because nobody did a pole. Some United fans want Sancho and Greenwood to be starting for us even now.
All the United youtubers that I saw praised that result. I think we were the only team to stop them scoring up to that point in the season.
So no I poo-poo that thought that a 0-0 away to Liverpool or City is a bad result its only the mainstream pundits that argued the "Liverpool perspective" i.e that you should never celebrate a 0-0, you know like Arsenal's best ever team did when Ruud missed a penalty in the last minute....
And videos like this are the reason why the club continues to do the same thing over and over again for over 12 years and are still expecting results.
Exactly, how long do we give the guy? In 10 years time, we will still be hearing that we are in transition and that Ten Hag just needs 1 more year 🤣
There are difference between criticism and abusive. The number abuse that man gets is just outrageous. I understand the pain of seeing our club loosing to rival at home but its not ok to throw our hatred towards someone who never done anything sinister to any individual personally.
This will always happen until Gary and the old boys stop milking it all on TV like old judges
Laurence your positive take is all good and well, but when you finish 8th last season and by the numbers should have finished in 15th, and then serve up what we watched on Sunday at home vs your biggest rivals in English football, I think it's very easy to see why a lot of United fans would be as angry as they are. The talk of injuries won't fly this season. Losing to Liverpool is one thing, but losing like that? Come on man. He's been backed, the structure above him has changed and now it's time for EtH to deliver. The performances have to improve in a big way. The tactics have to improve in a big way. The midfield cannot continue to remain open. We've seen that in all three games so far and the performances have varied and dipped since we played Fulham.
Like I get it, Casemiro certainly didn't cover himself in glory at all, but I'd also argue that the tactics and set up have not been benefiting the players and getting the best out of them. We are in year 3 and after 3 games look at the conversations we're having. I think fans will be patient with the players who have been brought in because they need to get familiar with the players who have been here and get up to speed with the game in the prem. But EtH won't be given as much patience if any at all.
As for that question of EtH coming before Ole, I guarantee you that if what we are watching now happened before Ole and then Ole delivered third and second like he did, we'd all be speaking very highly of him. I wasn't his biggest fan but one thing he did for sure is he got the fan base believing we could make a real push in the league and he had the Glazers to deal with. Even under the Glazers EtH has been backed more than Ole was; Ole delivered more in the league with less than what EtH has at his disposal. It's time for him to put up or stop talking.
Absolutely!
Fans are still talking about this loss. Like move on. The stats were very close between us and Liverpool. They were just more clinical and we made defensive errors. These things happen. Time to move on to the next game when the break is over.
As a United fan , I have rarely seen a United team look so flaky and fragile. They also don’t look like they know what they are trying to do.
Brono is the problem. The coach rely more on Brono. His work is to distribute and not to be sefish. His assist is poor and lowest in the league. Sancho can play that role better than Brono. Sancho can be United's Bellingham or even better.
the real problem of man utd apart from the obvious is that- They want the team to win the pl or all games just because man utd bought some new players and the manager is there from last 2 season. However, they forget that winning two trophies with that team in first two years is something which is quite hard. man utd fans should understand that a manager has come in and with a worst squad possible and still has won something so we need to have patience with the manager and the team. he is trying to bring some style of play both def and offensive , it takes time. given the squad quality and depth at each position its very hard. imagine Bruno go on injury we will be doomed. there is no quality as well as no squad depth. give the team and the manager time. Look at liverpool , arsenal. Klopp did not win anything for few years but once the team started ticking then they have won the pl, champions league and even after he left the team plays like how klopp used to play. yes arsenal has not won anything yet but they are competing and playing very good football. please give ten hag time and have patience. he has won two trophies with a worst squad, he has already proven that he is good its just matter of time before everything starts ticking.