I’d say he’s trueing for a good chunk of this list but a few picks are really strange like Ori. Also, Among Us not being in culture defining is the worst take I’ve ever heard
@@Connor_Kirkpatrick agreed on Among Us. No game has taken over gaming and non-gamers alike in a way that hadn’t been matched since Pokémon Go. If that isn’t culture defining, I don’t know what is, lol
@ModernMeta I wouldn't say Among Us was 'Culture Defining" by a large margin. And my main point to back that up is who even cares or watches Among Us anymore? It was just THE game for a few months, not even close to the same level or staying power as Minecraft, FNAF, Undertale, etc.
@@caw64 you say that, but anytime anyone sees anything remotely resembling a rectangle within another rectangle, or so much as mentions the word “suspicion,” or names the genre “social deduction game,” 9 times out of 10 the default name that pops up in anyone’s head is Among Us
Honestly normally I'd agree, I always say "coney has the best content and the worst takes on the internet", but I have to diagree here. Aside fromnever playing pvz, which is a disgrace, I agree with most of the takes in this video... although that may be because I've only heard of/played like half of these games so i can't get upset over slay the spire or katana zero
Smash player opinions, why do you think they soy ult for some random ass character they saw when they were 8 and then hate on a popularly desired character. The scope of their mind is what they have directly experienced.
IDK how you can even be mad at a Coney tierlist since he has to explain his reasoning so thoroughly that every game ends up in its own tier so nothing is really said
That's fair but like katana zero is a horrible take in my opinion. If you hate the dialogue you literally get to skip past it all by screaming at people canonically
How am I going to find time for that when I should be typing MORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPls?
As someone who loves both of the Ori games you are 100% valid for shitting on Blind Forest for its combat, especially if you played it on hard. It’s just mashing one button on a enemy until they die and if they jump at you, use Bash. That being said, saying people like it only for its visuals is a hell of an understatement. That game’s platforming is super sick and it’s story is also pretty good.
The combat to me felt great, I loved shooting the thing and ground slamming and dashing with an enemy. The combat is certainly better in the second but but I still found the combat fun.
I found the combat actually weirdly smart. The game had more of an emphasis on platforming so i believe that the combat was made intentionally that way as now instead of wat moves do i have to use it's more focused on your movement to win fights. My opinion though and i did play on normal in contrast to coney
@@harvesterman5210 the problem with the combat for me is the attack itself. It’s a weak, homing projectile that you have to spam mindlessly and constantly to kill anything. It’s just not satisfying to use. While moving around with your abilities to avoid enemies is fun and is the one good part of the combat, I feel like you can accomplish that kind of thing while also having an attack that’s satisfying to use.
I think I just had a problem with Ori specifically and I don’t know why, I did fine with other metroidvanias like hollow knight and Metroid dread but I got lost in Ori, looked up a guide and still couldn’t figure out what to do :/
eh idk, PvZ is fun for a bit but it's basically a glorified idle-clicker right? Collect suns, build to the optimal line-up, wait until level finishes rinse and repeat for a few hours
You know at this point I don’t care about coneys opinion, either way, I’m gonna have a damn blast watching him argue with chat and if the content is good then isn’t that a win for all?
@@nikodemsulowski9625 for ori DEFINITELY I don’t think the combat is that good, but exploring was still fun so I think it’s 50/50 BUT MY HEART WILL ALWAYS BE WITH KATANA ZERO… although I do wish the ending was different- wait I’m agreeing with him-
@Ryuko its not deep, its just a nice mystery/thriller plot about time soldiers who were used by the government and then thrown out onto the streets with a debilitating addiction. the most layer you could peel off is thats how most govts treat their vets, but it's just a cool story overall. base game has a nice payoff but i could see people getting upset upon finding out that theres a true ending you get by pissing off your handler.
The only thing I really have grounds to hard disagree on is that Journey was just good for its time. I played it for the first time last year and I enjoyed it. I could probably concede that I didn't enjoy it to the level that people did back in the day, but the connotations associated with "good for the time" don't feel warranted in Journey's case.
I like how even with the bias of "hey this is just the personal opinion of the person making it and everyone has their own unique tastes" Coney manages to make unforgivably horrible tier lists that just happen to be seeded with a few softball picks
Coney you should honestly give Ori 2 a try. They toned down a lot of the cheap deaths and amped up the platforming and combat tenfold. It turned out to be one of the best platformers I’ve played after not loving the first one at all
Cuphead (imo) is its own beast from an artistic perspective, because let's frame it like this: Before Cuphead: Rubberhose Animation was as dead as a doornail But after Cuphead, not only did people try to draw in "Cuphead style" (which is actually just rubberhose animation), but fans are stoked for Cuphead DLC, and were angry that the Cuphead Show didn't have that exact style of animation. Here's a good spot to mention that one Cuphead ripoff game that almost came out, because being Cuphead was the most marketable way that people (who are and are not artists together) found that as the best way to make money. Those madlads at Studio MDHR literally resurrected a dead artform as much as one can be revived (it'll never be #1 because it's too time consuming to make). From just one game? They KILLED it. I have *daydreams* of being able to bring from the grave my niche favorite artforms as efficiently as those devs brought back theirs. As a game? Pretty good, too tough for my lame gamer skills. But as art? Consider the passage above
I have to disagree with coney on night in the woods. I can agree that it's kinda hipster bait but he got the plot completely backwards. Mae doesn't want more out of life and that's her main problem. Everything around her is changing and her friends are going on to do bigger things while she stays the same. I actually like the slice of life aspect more and the secret cult stuff kinda throws me off.
@@samdilophosaur9787 To me the dialogue felt appropriate. Yeah, there were times I was cringing out of my skull, but that’s because our focal character is a douchebag with a very clearly untreated psychotic disorder, the conversations she’s going to lead with people aren’t going to be the creme de la creme of interpersonal interactions. Maybe at times the overall dialogues are trying too hard to be quirky, but the characters are not entirely insufferable, even the more douchey ones like Mae and arguably Gregg. I’m in my twenties and I know people IRL that talk and act in a similar way to some of the characters, it isn’t all unrealistic.
What’s funny is that he unconsciously called himself a hipster because he admitted to being really excited to play NITW when it first released. But yeah I agree he got it wrong. NITW is very good but it’s obviously not Coney’s thing, considering how he sent other games on this list to the shadow realm for the long cutscenes and NITW is essentially a visual novel you can walk around in.
I loooooooove NITW but I totally understand why it won't vibe with some people I think the one thing I would change is not having a choice between Gregg or Bea and instead just have you go through both routes. It's kind of important to get to know both of them but you can only pick one
I mean when you think of metroidvanias combat is usually a decent part of it, and I think you coul be successful in making a metroidvania without combat, but having the combat be just pressing one button that locks on to the enemy is not as fun as a well developped combat system which is a big difference between ori 1 and 2
I saw this list on twitter and honestly for the most part I think it's pretty solid. I understand not vibing with Night in the Woods although that personally one of my most favorite indie games ever and was easily my GOTY the year it came out. The only odd one to me are the Ori games. I'm always surprised when people don't like the Ori games because for me they're two of the best platformers ever made. Up there with DKC: Tropical Freeze, Celeste and Yoshi's Island
Okay what was good to you about night in the woods? It was infuriating to me. I am genuinely curious because I just don’t know what people enjoyed about it and I’d like to see their perspective
Is NO ONE IN THE COMMENTS Going to talk about how ACTUALLY HILARIOUS THIS VIDEO IS? (like in a good way not insulting) THIS IS LIKE THE NEW Joe And Pat's review level of I'm Dying Of Laughter 🤣
No matter what you think of any of the games on here, it's still amazing how so many people were able to make much smaller games on their own and have them succeed
Damn having the best artstyle ever made and a story makes Ori hipster bait. In 1 you CAN mash, but you can also do a lot more than that, and Ori 2 completely overhauled the combat system. Both have great platforming.
Everyone does Ori's combat poorly, Ori gets all these skills that people think are only for movement, but do some serious damage and make it much more fun (also the movement is crazy)
The combat in the first ori game is really simple and i agree with coney on it pushing him off especially if he played on hard which just makes him have to spend more time spamming the same button. Good thing they revamped the combat in the second one
I find it rather funny how Coney just decided to save Lisa for last as the chat in the background is just Terry. Maybe it’s because I don’t see this game in the wild that much.
Whenever I first saw the list I had questioned it, but after watching the video recap it makes a lot more sense and makes me appreciate the work you put into it.
I don't even need to finish the video, Coney gets a -100 for daring to call Iconoclasts boring. His blood must be blue. Nice vid tho. Making the whole world mad, lmao. Actually pretty brave
The first half is boring but then shit hits the fan really fast and takes the game from boring to amazing in two seconds. It’s such a shame that there’s like 6 hours of what feels like filler before it
Im convinced coney doesnt know how tier lists work at some point he's going to make a tier list where he has a separate tier for every single thing in the tier list
"My Problem with pyre is that the accual combat sucked"same for xenoblade 1 for me. Xenoblade 2 has such a good combat System, and going back to 1 from that was pretty painful. The story and characters are great but the combat in 2 is so much more fun! Well, it looks like 3's system is gonna be a fusion of 1 and 2 so we'll see how it turns out
The fact that I can watch this entire video, even though I've only played about five of these games, and he roasted the two of them which I really love, speaks to how entertaining and captivating Coney really is. Thanks for the content, and keep up the great work
Did I see pvz in there? Pvz should be unique ideas nailed to perfection. I enjoy pvz 2 and all of the spinoffs so much, heck, gw2 is my 3rd favourite game ever and the most fun I have ever had with a game, but you can always argue how good these are. But we can at least all agree that the original pvz is a flawless fucking masterpiece!
I still play gungeon, it's incredibly fun, but I do have to agree it came after isaac, even tho it did its own thing and is incredible in its own right
Huh maybe that's why I (someone I think like 2 years older than Coney) actually thought he was pretty accurate lmao. Though I also have played probably less than half of the games he had played.
Im gonna be 100% honest, this was the worst tier list I have ever witnessed ever being conceived. Not even because of Coney’s opinion on each game because I expect it to be bad already, but specifically because of how much of an identity crisis this tier list had between it being Coney’s actual personal opinion and rating each game’s influence on public masses and video game culture. It was sad to watch him downplay his own favorites in favor of other games because they’re less niche or whatever.
I thought the list was gonna be 'most of these suck except for these really good ones', but aside from the list being a mess organization-wise, most of time Coney was either spitting facts or clearly saying when something didn't match his tastes
"I thought night in the woods was about uncovering a cult or something" Ah, so we know Coney didn't finish NitW then. Anyway play NitW, it's genuinely one of my favorite games.
@@Playtonto the plot point of something mysterious or wrong with the town is sown pretty early on in the game but I get if the slice of life stuff isn't your jam. While I really enjoyed the characters, I can get how it could be a slog of you aren't exactly vibing with the main cast.
I got truly excited in the first few seconds after learning what the video would be about! I was not dissapointed, you seemed very passionate about this subject!
Cuphead should've been on truly brilliant tier the game is hand drawn which animation takes long asf and Cuphead really felt like you were playing a 1930's cartoon.
Honestly I'm gonna say it, I didn't really disagree with any of Coney's rankings. I think the only thing that would have changed for me is Five Nights would be in one of the "not for me" sections.
Wait… this is an indie game tier list, no? W-where is Cave Story on this list? Did he skip by it in the “never played”? I feel like it belongs at the top of any list just out of respect, lol.
1. He's so wrong about Messenger. I liked the first half, but when it hits 16-bit, I LOVED it. 2. Ori is more than just "ooh pretty" and he made it way worse by playing on hard. Ori 2 is way better but the story doesn't hit the same 3. Hades is that game. It's not my fave Supergiant release, but it's their best game free. And it's the only roguelite I truly love.
Putting Little Nightmares 2 so far below Little Nightmares 1 is utterly insane to me. Honestly they're equal as far as I'm concerned, and both Top 10 games of all time. Can't wait for the third!
Honestly I feel like Hat in Time would be considered pinnacle of its genre if Mario Odyssey about the same time as Hat in Time did. Because Mario Odyssey is one of the very, very few games of its genre to beat it out today.
The first and second five nights at Freddy’s are both masterpieces of horror games in every aspect and it shows with the impact they had on the entire indie horror scene, even though every fnaf game after the first two greatly Varys in quality
Damn this is accually good opinion coney, that's a first for me. I never thought of fnaf as brilliant since I hate jumpscares and I'm only in it for the lorebut I do have to agree, and undertale is absolutely brilliant of course!
I'm still surprised Spelunky is not a game you are into, I feel like there are all sorts of aspects of the game that you would love. But then again, Spelunky I think takes a few go arounds before it really clicks with people, like I didn't get super addicted to Spelunky right off the rip tbh, but it is definitely one of my favorite games ever now. Spelunky 2 def a pinnacle of its genre
my issue with spelunky is the same issue I had with darksouls you have to put 20 hours into the game to start having fun (obv exaggerating) because of the amount of knowledge needed to even start progressing. with darksouls that comes from it being very punishing and needing to learn attack patterns with said punishment, whereas with spelunky it's very punishing but not in the combat sense, just general gameplay like imagine a super difficult platformer, let's say....celeste. but it has a checkpoint every 10 screens instead of every screen, that's like spelunky. sure if I were willing to put 20 hours into a game to START enjoying it I would but why would I do that when I could put those 20 hours into another game and enjoy that the entire time spelunky is made for the people who get TONS of satisfaction overcoming something difficult, and that's just...not worth it for most people imo and makes it significantly worse. you can make rogue likes without needing tons of knowledge to even get past the first level, not happening with spelunky which is fine, but just inherently makes it a "worse" overall game cuz it is impossible to have the same reach
@@DeathKiller362 I honestly think the reason it takes a while for Spelunky to click is more just you have to learn to have fun learning and experimenting. I wouldn't say you need a bunch of hours played first just to start enjoying it, it is more that if you don't get what Spelunky is trying to tell/teach you off the bat, it is a jarring experience which is why I think people get turned off by it.
Coney is a genius actually the worse the tierlist the more engagements on his video
I’d say he’s trueing for a good chunk of this list but a few picks are really strange like Ori. Also, Among Us not being in culture defining is the worst take I’ve ever heard
@@Connor_Kirkpatrick agreed on Among Us. No game has taken over gaming and non-gamers alike in a way that hadn’t been matched since Pokémon Go. If that isn’t culture defining, I don’t know what is, lol
I think this is the only reason why he makes these videos really, that and to just be an annoying troll.
@ModernMeta I wouldn't say Among Us was 'Culture Defining" by a large margin. And my main point to back that up is who even cares or watches Among Us anymore? It was just THE game for a few months, not even close to the same level or staying power as Minecraft, FNAF, Undertale, etc.
@@caw64 you say that, but anytime anyone sees anything remotely resembling a rectangle within another rectangle, or so much as mentions the word “suspicion,” or names the genre “social deduction game,” 9 times out of 10 the default name that pops up in anyone’s head is Among Us
Coney has an incredible ability to conceive the most infuriating takes on anything imaginable lol
I’ve been thinking this for years now, thank god someone else gets it
To be home I think in this isntance it's fine because this is all opinion tbh
I think it’s the confidence he says it with
Its all on purpose. FOR SURE - Coney
Honestly normally I'd agree, I always say "coney has the best content and the worst takes on the internet", but I have to diagree here. Aside fromnever playing pvz, which is a disgrace, I agree with most of the takes in this video... although that may be because I've only heard of/played like half of these games so i can't get upset over slay the spire or katana zero
Chat: “Minecraft was culture defining”
Coney: “Yeah but to me it wasn’t”
Coney moment
Smash player opinions, why do you think they soy ult for some random ass character they saw when they were 8 and then hate on a popularly desired character. The scope of their mind is what they have directly experienced.
@@mattsmith457 soy ult??
@@qrks4482 like a final smash but for soy boys
He's the one making the tier list that's how it works :)
IDK how you can even be mad at a Coney tierlist since he has to explain his reasoning so thoroughly that every game ends up in its own tier so nothing is really said
That's fair but like katana zero is a horrible take in my opinion. If you hate the dialogue you literally get to skip past it all by screaming at people canonically
It's because people view the annoying clickbait thumbnail+title and base their thought on that.
new drinking game: take a shot every time coney says “i hate to do it” / adds a new tier
I don't want die yet
How am I going to find time for that when I should be typing MORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPlsMORETIERSSkeletonPls?
He really hates to do it
YOU WILL DIE
As someone who loves both of the Ori games you are 100% valid for shitting on Blind Forest for its combat, especially if you played it on hard. It’s just mashing one button on a enemy until they die and if they jump at you, use Bash.
That being said, saying people like it only for its visuals is a hell of an understatement. That game’s platforming is super sick and it’s story is also pretty good.
The combat to me felt great, I loved shooting the thing and ground slamming and dashing with an enemy. The combat is certainly better in the second but but I still found the combat fun.
I found the combat actually weirdly smart. The game had more of an emphasis on platforming so i believe that the combat was made intentionally that way as now instead of wat moves do i have to use it's more focused on your movement to win fights. My opinion though and i did play on normal in contrast to coney
The combat in the first game is the worst thing about it imo. It has no impact and felt bad to do imo. Second game is a large improvement
@@harvesterman5210 the problem with the combat for me is the attack itself. It’s a weak, homing projectile that you have to spam mindlessly and constantly to kill anything. It’s just not satisfying to use. While moving around with your abilities to avoid enemies is fun and is the one good part of the combat, I feel like you can accomplish that kind of thing while also having an attack that’s satisfying to use.
I think I just had a problem with Ori specifically and I don’t know why, I did fine with other metroidvanias like hollow knight and Metroid dread but I got lost in Ori, looked up a guide and still couldn’t figure out what to do :/
plants vs zombies is a very coney game i genuinely think he’d enjoy it
Wait, he’s never played PvZ
Was gonna comment that I’d love to see Coney play PVZ1 I think he’d enjoy it
it's really fun too
the composer is also very cool
eh idk, PvZ is fun for a bit but it's basically a glorified idle-clicker right? Collect suns, build to the optimal line-up, wait until level finishes rinse and repeat for a few hours
Coney adding a tier for hyper specific categories that only include 1-2 games is making me lose it
YOOOOOOOP
to be fair where do you rank helltaker besides Porn
@@gamer-hl4cp culture defining
@@GT-xw7rg that existed before helltaker
Me when Coney says game I like is boring: sad
Me when Coney says game I think is overhyped is boring: LFG, POG
And that would be…
I saw someone point out the chat going crazy every time he adds a new tier and now I can’t unsee it and I always laugh
It’s always my favourite part of the tier list videos lol
The "New Tier *dancing man*" is one of the best things.
Watching the justifications on this list made me significantly more mad than when I actually saw the list
Hello Guilty Gear guy
It just makes me wanna explode
You know at this point I don’t care about coneys opinion, either way, I’m gonna have a damn blast watching him argue with chat and if the content is good then isn’t that a win for all?
u stopped to care because u realised he's right but you like the game too much
@@nikodemsulowski9625 for ori DEFINITELY I don’t think the combat is that good, but exploring was still fun so I think it’s 50/50 BUT MY HEART WILL ALWAYS BE WITH KATANA ZERO… although I do wish the ending was different- wait I’m agreeing with him-
hella why i still watch coney
disagree on so many levels, but god the banter is worth seeing what i like shit on
@@nikodemsulowski9625 thats kinda how opinions work lmao?
"Katana zero has too many cutscenes, anyways, Furi is a fantastic game"
holy shit this is so true
@B Chu Can't the same be said for furi though
@Ryuko its not deep, its just a nice mystery/thriller plot about time soldiers who were used by the government and then thrown out onto the streets with a debilitating addiction. the most layer you could peel off is thats how most govts treat their vets, but it's just a cool story overall. base game has a nice payoff but i could see people getting upset upon finding out that theres a true ending you get by pissing off your handler.
@Ryuko that said, i dont think coney played the game long or well enough to even enjoy the story.
“we’re gonna make this quick” proceeds to add 1 tier to the list for every individual game
hate to do it
simply cannot wrap my head around the Katana Zero take
yeah I mean the cutscenes are vague and all but they're not overbearing, you get more game than cutscene. At least I remember that
Katana Zero, more like mid miami weeb style
@@Ligmamonkey L take.
Time to watch a professional shit-stirrer say things I don't agree with and enjoy it
The only thing I really have grounds to hard disagree on is that Journey was just good for its time. I played it for the first time last year and I enjoyed it. I could probably concede that I didn't enjoy it to the level that people did back in the day, but the connotations associated with "good for the time" don't feel warranted in Journey's case.
What you're saying is it required a new tier; "Still good but possibly better at the time"
@@Gohka Yes, exactly, more tiers please
more tiers
I like how even with the bias of "hey this is just the personal opinion of the person making it and everyone has their own unique tastes" Coney manages to make unforgivably horrible tier lists that just happen to be seeded with a few softball picks
Ah Coney, the inventor and king of the fifty tier tierlist.
Revolutionary for the genre
Coney you should honestly give Ori 2 a try. They toned down a lot of the cheap deaths and amped up the platforming and combat tenfold. It turned out to be one of the best platformers I’ve played after not loving the first one at all
Coney already got his content from this tierlist, he's done lmao
Meatboy walked so celeste could extended hyper into a wallbounce
I love how no matter everyone’s reaction to these tier lists, one thing is the same: Chat always SkeletonPls-ing every time a new tier is added. 🤣
Why do people hate this, I really like 90 percent of these opinions
Cuphead (imo) is its own beast from an artistic perspective, because let's frame it like this:
Before Cuphead: Rubberhose Animation was as dead as a doornail
But after Cuphead, not only did people try to draw in "Cuphead style" (which is actually just rubberhose animation), but fans are stoked for Cuphead DLC, and were angry that the Cuphead Show didn't have that exact style of animation. Here's a good spot to mention that one Cuphead ripoff game that almost came out, because being Cuphead was the most marketable way that people (who are and are not artists together) found that as the best way to make money.
Those madlads at Studio MDHR literally resurrected a dead artform as much as one can be revived (it'll never be #1 because it's too time consuming to make). From just one game? They KILLED it. I have *daydreams* of being able to bring from the grave my niche favorite artforms as efficiently as those devs brought back theirs.
As a game? Pretty good, too tough for my lame gamer skills. But as art? Consider the passage above
Chat spamming "MORE TIERS" will never not be funny
The skeleton is what does it for me
Not the Wandersong and Night In The Woods Slander
Also no Bug Fables on the list!? For shame!
I have to disagree with coney on night in the woods. I can agree that it's kinda hipster bait but he got the plot completely backwards. Mae doesn't want more out of life and that's her main problem. Everything around her is changing and her friends are going on to do bigger things while she stays the same. I actually like the slice of life aspect more and the secret cult stuff kinda throws me off.
I despise Gregg too much, and the dialogue is just... so bad
@@samdilophosaur9787 eh the dialogue can be rough at points. Can't understand hating Gregg though. Gregg's awesome.
@@samdilophosaur9787 To me the dialogue felt appropriate. Yeah, there were times I was cringing out of my skull, but that’s because our focal character is a douchebag with a very clearly untreated psychotic disorder, the conversations she’s going to lead with people aren’t going to be the creme de la creme of interpersonal interactions.
Maybe at times the overall dialogues are trying too hard to be quirky, but the characters are not entirely insufferable, even the more douchey ones like Mae and arguably Gregg. I’m in my twenties and I know people IRL that talk and act in a similar way to some of the characters, it isn’t all unrealistic.
What’s funny is that he unconsciously called himself a hipster because he admitted to being really excited to play NITW when it first released.
But yeah I agree he got it wrong. NITW is very good but it’s obviously not Coney’s thing, considering how he sent other games on this list to the shadow realm for the long cutscenes and NITW is essentially a visual novel you can walk around in.
I loooooooove NITW but I totally understand why it won't vibe with some people
I think the one thing I would change is not having a choice between Gregg or Bea and instead just have you go through both routes. It's kind of important to get to know both of them but you can only pick one
Im not gonna lie i unironically agree with this. Like, not even joking.
Uh oh...
Katana Zero and Messenger are some of my favorites games from recent memory. But I suppose everyone has their tastes too each their own
>Coney tries to play Ori as a combat game when it very much is not that
That explains why he didn't like it, lmao
Coney might be the most specific tier list maker ever
The Smash characters based on teeth was hilarious
@@shiffpup2529 I'm sorry... what?
@@Gohka This video is the tier list:
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@sam sniffer. No one's gonna see this but that's probably the top comment lmfao. That tier list was HILARIOUS.
@@smithmichael8144 I don't watch him on stream enough. But every time I see him post a tierlist to Twitter, I know it's gonna be a hilarious video
If you got videogame time to waste, play the katana zero hardmode in the speedrun mode. Skips all the bs, coolest versions of the level.
"Ori is hipster bait, it's boring, there's no combat." - Guy who loves Mario
I mean when you think of metroidvanias combat is usually a decent part of it, and I think you coul be successful in making a metroidvania without combat, but having the combat be just pressing one button that locks on to the enemy is not as fun as a well developped combat system which is a big difference between ori 1 and 2
I saw this list on twitter and honestly for the most part I think it's pretty solid. I understand not vibing with Night in the Woods although that personally one of my most favorite indie games ever and was easily my GOTY the year it came out. The only odd one to me are the Ori games. I'm always surprised when people don't like the Ori games because for me they're two of the best platformers ever made. Up there with DKC: Tropical Freeze, Celeste and Yoshi's Island
Okay what was good to you about night in the woods? It was infuriating to me. I am genuinely curious because I just don’t know what people enjoyed about it and I’d like to see their perspective
@@samdilophosaur9787 The story, characters and setting just absolutely knocked it out of the park for me.
Is NO ONE IN THE COMMENTS Going to talk about how ACTUALLY HILARIOUS THIS VIDEO IS? (like in a good way not insulting)
THIS IS LIKE THE NEW Joe And Pat's review level of I'm Dying Of Laughter 🤣
I'd say the party members leaving/permadeath aspect of Lisa makes it really unique.
Agreed. As well as the types of choices it forces you to make
crazy that cave story wasnt on that list
embarrassing. i thought this man was a Gamer
No matter what you think of any of the games on here, it's still amazing how so many people were able to make much smaller games on their own and have them succeed
Damn having the best artstyle ever made and a story makes Ori hipster bait.
In 1 you CAN mash, but you can also do a lot more than that, and Ori 2 completely overhauled the combat system. Both have great platforming.
why would anyone waste their time getting mad at these opinions, I think they’re fair.
Everyone does Ori's combat poorly, Ori gets all these skills that people think are only for movement, but do some serious damage and make it much more fun (also the movement is crazy)
The combat in the first ori game is really simple and i agree with coney on it pushing him off especially if he played on hard which just makes him have to spend more time spamming the same button. Good thing they revamped the combat in the second one
I crumbled when coney put Terraria in the Not Interested tier (you're right though, kinda mad >:( )
I find it rather funny how Coney just decided to save Lisa for last as the chat in the background is just Terry. Maybe it’s because I don’t see this game in the wild that much.
FTL: Faster Than Light should’ve been on there. Love that game.
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that but definitely that game is fantastic.
0:09 I'm a little mad but it is true
Whenever I first saw the list I had questioned it, but after watching the video recap it makes a lot more sense and makes me appreciate the work you put into it.
I love you Coney and so I will remove all that you said about Katana Zero and its placement on the list from my memory
I barely agree with Coney but he's funny enough that I don't care
I don't even need to finish the video, Coney gets a -100 for daring to call Iconoclasts boring. His blood must be blue.
Nice vid tho. Making the whole world mad, lmao. Actually pretty brave
The first half is boring but then shit hits the fan really fast and takes the game from boring to amazing in two seconds. It’s such a shame that there’s like 6 hours of what feels like filler before it
Press F to pay respects to Coney's scroll wheel, poor thing's probably busted by now just dealing with the sheer volume of tiers
Im convinced coney doesnt know how tier lists work at some point he's going to make a tier list where he has a separate tier for every single thing in the tier list
I cant wait to see what my favorite streamer says about katana zero!
"My Problem with pyre is that the accual combat sucked"same for xenoblade 1 for me. Xenoblade 2 has such a good combat System, and going back to 1 from that was pretty painful. The story and characters are great but the combat in 2 is so much more fun! Well, it looks like 3's system is gonna be a fusion of 1 and 2 so we'll see how it turns out
The fact that I can watch this entire video, even though I've only played about five of these games, and he roasted the two of them which I really love, speaks to how entertaining and captivating Coney really is. Thanks for the content, and keep up the great work
coney adding tiers brings me so much seratonin
Terraria is a really great game, for anyone who hasn’t played it its basically Minecraft but an incredibly polished and fun metroidvania.
Did I just miss Rogue Legacy / 2 and Fullmetal Furies? Cellar Door Games have some bangers.
he HATES to do this
Did I see pvz in there? Pvz should be unique ideas nailed to perfection. I enjoy pvz 2 and all of the spinoffs so much, heck, gw2 is my 3rd favourite game ever and the most fun I have ever had with a game, but you can always argue how good these are. But we can at least all agree that the original pvz is a flawless fucking masterpiece!
He put Spiritfarer on the Not Interested tier because he knows it’ll break him, like every person that played it
19:30 BASED GUY IN CHAT
EVERHOOD IS MY NUMBER ONE FAVORITE GAME EVER
Holy shit I forgot how much coney hates video games
Coney's Feed and Seed
Well, you've clearly never played Helltaker but it is a puzzle game so you'd probably not enjoy it
God I forgot about Coney's naming convention for tiers and the number of them he makes 😂
I wasn't going to watch this because it's just another tier list video.
Then I remembered it was a CONEY tier list. Thank you, content man.
I still play gungeon, it's incredibly fun, but I do have to agree it came after isaac, even tho it did its own thing and is incredible in its own right
Holy shit this is the type of video that makes me remember Coney is like a decade older than me with these fucking insane takes
Huh maybe that's why I (someone I think like 2 years older than Coney) actually thought he was pretty accurate lmao.
Though I also have played probably less than half of the games he had played.
Im gonna be 100% honest, this was the worst tier list I have ever witnessed ever being conceived. Not even because of Coney’s opinion on each game because I expect it to be bad already, but specifically because of how much of an identity crisis this tier list had between it being Coney’s actual personal opinion and rating each game’s influence on public masses and video game culture. It was sad to watch him downplay his own favorites in favor of other games because they’re less niche or whatever.
Mald
lol playing the katana zero ost while he's ranting about it
I thought the list was gonna be 'most of these suck except for these really good ones', but aside from the list being a mess organization-wise, most of time Coney was either spitting facts or clearly saying when something didn't match his tastes
"I thought night in the woods was about uncovering a cult or something"
Ah, so we know Coney didn't finish NitW then. Anyway play NitW, it's genuinely one of my favorite games.
The cult payoff is too little of the story though honestly, most of it is what coney mentioned which soured me on the game too
@@Playtonto the plot point of something mysterious or wrong with the town is sown pretty early on in the game but I get if the slice of life stuff isn't your jam. While I really enjoyed the characters, I can get how it could be a slog of you aren't exactly vibing with the main cast.
Slay the Spire is AMAZING 😭
My two favorite indies were in good tiers so Im vibing. RIP Katana Zero fans lmao
I heavily recommend you play subnautica and terraria.
No way this guy played Owlboy but isn't willing to try Terraria and Plants vs Zombies lol
This isn't even a tier list anymore, it's just a collection of mini-reviews packaged as tiers
I got truly excited in the first few seconds after learning what the video would be about! I was not dissapointed, you seemed very passionate about this subject!
Cuphead should've been on truly brilliant tier the game is hand drawn which animation takes long asf and Cuphead really felt like you were playing a 1930's cartoon.
Honestly I'm gonna say it, I didn't really disagree with any of Coney's rankings. I think the only thing that would have changed for me is Five Nights would be in one of the "not for me" sections.
Wait… this is an indie game tier list, no?
W-where is Cave Story on this list? Did he skip by it in the “never played”? I feel like it belongs at the top of any list just out of respect, lol.
was stardew not on there? it’s definitely a pinnacle of the genre
Coney, My Friend Pedro literally takes 2 hours to beat. It stays its welcome perfectly.
Play Subnautica. LEGIT CONTENT btw... I would watch every last minute of a playthrough of you playing Subnautica
Never seen the hex but pony Island was mad fun at the time
I agree with dead cells, it doesn't do much new but what it does it does so well!
1. He's so wrong about Messenger. I liked the first half, but when it hits 16-bit, I LOVED it.
2. Ori is more than just "ooh pretty" and he made it way worse by playing on hard. Ori 2 is way better but the story doesn't hit the same
3. Hades is that game. It's not my fave Supergiant release, but it's their best game free. And it's the only roguelite I truly love.
Also I love Guacamelee. Brawler Metroidvania with excellent music and execution.
Helltaker doesn't even have a shred of porn wtf
Putting Little Nightmares 2 so far below Little Nightmares 1 is utterly insane to me. Honestly they're equal as far as I'm concerned, and both Top 10 games of all time. Can't wait for the third!
You know what this wasn't that bad of a tier had a few that were questioning but overall pretty solid
Good job coney you made a good tier list
Honestly I feel like Hat in Time would be considered pinnacle of its genre if Mario Odyssey about the same time as Hat in Time did. Because Mario Odyssey is one of the very, very few games of its genre to beat it out today.
I've never heard of a lot of these, I need to step up my game, of the ones I know I've only played like half and beaten way less
The first and second five nights at Freddy’s are both masterpieces of horror games in every aspect and it shows with the impact they had on the entire indie horror scene, even though every fnaf game after the first two greatly Varys in quality
Celeste has got to be my favorite game of all time. I have played for like 40+ hours and have loved every room
Damn this is accually good opinion coney, that's a first for me. I never thought of fnaf as brilliant since I hate jumpscares and I'm only in it for the lorebut I do have to agree, and undertale is absolutely brilliant of course!
Braid is literally like the quality of game i would shit out in middle school for a game maker project in class
Watching Coney go from shitting on Slay The Spire for being a card game to glazing Balatro on his podcast is peak character development.
Teirlist looking like a cvs receipt
Katana Zero got done so badly because Coney did not read the dialogue
LMAO fr i enjoyed katana zero dialogue more than gameplay
I'm still surprised Spelunky is not a game you are into, I feel like there are all sorts of aspects of the game that you would love. But then again, Spelunky I think takes a few go arounds before it really clicks with people, like I didn't get super addicted to Spelunky right off the rip tbh, but it is definitely one of my favorite games ever now. Spelunky 2 def a pinnacle of its genre
my issue with spelunky is the same issue I had with darksouls
you have to put 20 hours into the game to start having fun (obv exaggerating) because of the amount of knowledge needed to even start progressing. with darksouls that comes from it being very punishing and needing to learn attack patterns with said punishment, whereas with spelunky it's very punishing but not in the combat sense, just general gameplay
like imagine a super difficult platformer, let's say....celeste. but it has a checkpoint every 10 screens instead of every screen, that's like spelunky.
sure if I were willing to put 20 hours into a game to START enjoying it I would
but why would I do that when I could put those 20 hours into another game and enjoy that the entire time
spelunky is made for the people who get TONS of satisfaction overcoming something difficult, and that's just...not worth it for most people imo and makes it significantly worse. you can make rogue likes without needing tons of knowledge to even get past the first level, not happening with spelunky
which is fine, but just inherently makes it a "worse" overall game cuz it is impossible to have the same reach
@@DeathKiller362 I honestly think the reason it takes a while for Spelunky to click is more just you have to learn to have fun learning and experimenting. I wouldn't say you need a bunch of hours played first just to start enjoying it, it is more that if you don't get what Spelunky is trying to tell/teach you off the bat, it is a jarring experience which is why I think people get turned off by it.